I feel like these depictions are also what makes people so offended when they get called out on racism, because they have a cartoonish image of the unambiguously immoral racist associated with the word and obviously don't associate with that
@sawbonesquad4876
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It makes people just see a caricature of what racism looks like unfortunately.
@Dorian_sapiens
5 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@allisoncarroll1284
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I've seen very special episodes where the bigot outright says that they are racist. Usually they are much more covert. Like the park not wanting to put in a basketball court because of the crowd it might attract... yeah we know exactly what they mean.
@sawbonesquad4876
5 жыл бұрын
@@allisoncarroll1284 Exactly what I mean. It makes people not able to see correllation between something like you said or even recent events like the rise of white supremacy in US politics. if they are constantly given examples of things that are "real racism".
@CorbiniteVids
5 жыл бұрын
there's definitely an agenda in telling the audience "don't worry you're not like one of THOSE racists" when a lot of sitcoms do Very Special Episodes
@MrMorganfarts
5 жыл бұрын
In my mind, the argument "This could never be made today" is the same as "The world is so sensitive/PC these days"; its really just people complaining that they used to get away with saying stereotypical/bigoted things, and now that people are, surprise, actually calling them out on and not allowing this behavior, they "yearn for the good old days" where they had essentially unlimited passes to act like assholes. EDIT: I also think these same people look back on shows like "All in the Family" that tackle bigotry in thought provoking ways, but completely see past the "message"; they're only there for the cheap laughs at the bigotry itself and when Archie's views are challenged, they probably don't enjoy it.
@anfearaerach
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't understand the remaining Python members who say this, like. Guys, Graham already told you how NOT to write about gay characters in sketches. Perhaps Life of Brian would have gotten them more death threads than in the 1970s.
@theomegajuice8660
5 жыл бұрын
My usual response to "This could never be made today" is usually "yeah, people expect much higher standards of writing nowadays"
@gateauxq4604
5 жыл бұрын
I do say ‘this could never be made today’ but I’m coming from a place of wonder at how far we’ve come and bemusement at the horrible things that would (maybe) happen to people who’d try to produce this tripe now. If I’m reflecting back at all I’m looking back at how much bigoted shit I was raised watching and didn’t understand that at the time. The statement itself isn’t inherently bad, it’s the wistfulness and sense of nostalgia someone might expressed with this phrase. Almost everything made in the 80s (especially the very special episodes) was pretty messed up in terms of PCness-the term came into wide use particularly because of how media lagged behind newer cultural norms establishing themselves.
@DasAntiNaziBroetchen
5 жыл бұрын
@@gateauxq4604 That's exactly how I understand the sentence "this could never be made today". I never thought people were expressing nostaliga, but just saying that this shit is fucked up.
@tofu_golem
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Complaints about PC are ultimately racists, misogynists, etc. whining about the fact that people criticize them for being racist, misogynist, etc. Complaints about "political correctness" are just another attempt by free speech warriors to silence anyone who doesn't agree with them.
@PavarottiAardvark
5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a T1J video about Brooklyn 99. So much going on in that show to unpack...
@T1J
5 жыл бұрын
good idea
@HunterBoyleReacts
5 жыл бұрын
I've never seen B99 and have been hesitant to start. Is it worth watching?
@TCt83067695
4 жыл бұрын
@@HunterBoyleReacts you would love it
@etorresrodz
4 жыл бұрын
Yes please!
@philim9267
4 жыл бұрын
@Jeseentha absolutely!! I love The Good Place
@baronjutter
5 жыл бұрын
The Fresh Prince episode where the boys run into some cops and get railroaded into jail for driving-while-black taught me at a young age to never trust the police.
@lisanne6427
4 жыл бұрын
Iḿ a 54-year old white woman from Holland. i remember that episode very well, especially the last line when Phil said that he wouldn't believe tat is was racism the first time too felt like a punch in te stomic. It was an important moment for me that opened my eyes for a lot of injustice.
@sarahcoleman5269
5 жыл бұрын
Did you know that Carrol O'Connor (Archie Bunker) was actually a very liberal-minded man? He actually created the Archie Bunker character as a spoof of the old racist blue collar workers. He intended for the character to shame people into taking a deeper look at their racism, and he was upset when he realized that these people actually loved the Archie Bunker character. (I can't remember the source, it was some All in the Family look back documentary or something.)
@agonleed3841
5 жыл бұрын
well...I think that meant he played his part very well. And it can't be on one pwerson to make a change. The show would also influence, sane minded individuals, to help those bigots understand the actual problem.
@celondelon
4 жыл бұрын
Except he didn't create it, the show was a remake of a UK show called Til Death Do Us Part.
@michaelodonnell824
2 жыл бұрын
@@agonleed3841 "Sane Individuals"? Racists are not "Ill", mentally or in any other way - they're Evil, a Cancer, and the Only real way to deal with a Cancer is Cut it OUT!
@agonleed3841
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelodonnell824 racist is a blanket term. It's racist when someone generalizes and says only black people does this or that negative thing. But I personally know 3 people who are usmc vets who had that mentality. and had it changed 2 by me personally just by speaking with them as a person. we got 8nto only a couple.arguments but u didnt just fall.back on, "you're racist and I don't want to hear what you have have say" I made intelligent rebuttals. And explained my points. in turn, I learned that some people are literally just people living in a s.all area, raised by a few people and all of that skews how they think. so it's not always racism. sometimes it's ONLY ignorance. ignorance is the main base of racism, but it's not racism itself. education is the bane of ignorance. there are people who are ignorant and you have to make them see through all of which they were conditioned to.learn...but once you connect through that, they open their eyes. they wake up. and there's ignorance from.people who prefer to willingly stay ignorant because it's easier than fighting through what they were conditioned to learn. humans are complicated. not everything fits in a simple box. would be nice, but thsts not reality.
@otsoko66
Жыл бұрын
@@celondelon The big difference was that on the UK show, the bigot was shown to be a really foul human, unlike Archie who was always presented as basically a good guy.
@trumpanzeehunter9505
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like the real Kirk Cameron wouldn’t heroically confront his racist boss and quit.
@kagespider2627
5 жыл бұрын
Or maybe he would
@Mr_Perses
5 жыл бұрын
He would just tell his boss to find Jesus.
@Malamockq
5 жыл бұрын
Well he's an idiot creationist and actively rejects science and espouses "christian values" which would take us back to the stone age, so he's on the same political spectrum as racists whether he likes it or not. But to be fair to him, I never heard him utter anything racist per se. But at the same time, not quitting because your boss is a racist doesn't make you a full on racist either, just a passive one. So maybe he wouldn't quit, but I'd imagine, most whites wouldn't either.
@Malamockq
5 жыл бұрын
@Milton Mumfrey More like he's reacting to the repugnant things Kirk has said and done. You can worship your silly little fairtales all you want, but the moment you push it on others, or push it into public policy, laws, or schools, then it's a problem and you need to be opposed.
@Phreemunny
5 жыл бұрын
Milton Mumfrey -you do realize most people in the western world who speak out against Christians are protesting the stupid and destructive ideas of the mythology, not the believers themselves? That said, if you believe snakes can talk, people can return from the dead, and the world is 6000 years old, any mockery thrown your direction is earned. I know that playing the martyr is fashionable when your cult leader was sacrificed, but really, you think a little mockery in a KZitem comment is equal to systematic racial, sexual, or gender discrimination? GTFO
@steelersguy74
5 жыл бұрын
The irony of ‘All in the Family’ is that Carrol O’Connor was NOTHING like Archie.
@kimifw58
5 жыл бұрын
So... he was an actor?
@steelersguy74
5 жыл бұрын
Kimi FW yes he was and was speaking out against racism via this role.
@brianarbenz7206
5 жыл бұрын
So liberal was Carroll O'Connor that he actually made a TV ad for the George McGovern campaign in 1972, appearing in it dressed as Archie and sitting in a chair like Archie's trademark chair on the show. O'Connor tells the audience that "as a conservative man," he endorses George McGovern. He was clearly playing a bit of identity sleight of hand.
@nuberiffic
5 жыл бұрын
And did you know that in real life, Ralph Fiennes doesn't actually scour the earth hunting for boy wizards?! Amazing how characters played by actors can be different to the actor...
@CynicalLight
5 жыл бұрын
Caroll O'Connor quit acting because he thought playing such an offensive man would open people's eyes. Instead racists made a mascot out of Archie and that broke Carroll's spirit.
@fatimagic1365
5 жыл бұрын
this is why, even though i get what the real purpose of all in the family was, i'm always suspicious of people who say they like the show.
@Urthwyte80
5 жыл бұрын
That's heartbreaking but I get it
@sint0xicateme
5 жыл бұрын
Just like dumbasses though the Colbert Report wasn't a character.
@russellscott9314
4 жыл бұрын
@@fatimagic1365 It was a great show, just like the jeffersons, Sanford and son. It's who watches the shows. You can't stop making edgy comedy because it crosses the line. Comedians, makers of comedy are sick of woke culture. It's such a bore and a drag. These ppl are insufferable whiny c@n@s. Look at Todd Phillips, he was tired of the bitching. At least we got "Joker" which some leftist idiots called racist. What? It's unbelievable isn't it?
@grooveyerbouti
4 жыл бұрын
Was this the show based on 'till death do us part? The same argument was put forward by writers and lead in death do us part, although i have only ever heard this in retrospect so not sure if i buy it. Although it is a well used device it alwaus seems to backfire for every one person who understands the joke another ten misunderstand and hero worship the protagonist.
@ounocat8032
5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video and I finally found someone on YT who likes sitcoms. That scene in Roseanne where she is confronted by her own bigotry is surprisingly powerful. At the very least it hopefully encourages white people to be more introspective about their privilege and pre-conceived biases. I’m still working towards that myself. HAKO is a good mantra to live by. Thanks for all your work.
@unimpressedalchemist
5 жыл бұрын
Have you watched José's videos on Roseanne?
@ounocat8032
5 жыл бұрын
Unimpressed Alchemist I did, I knew nothing about Roseanne before his videos on it. Big fan of Joel too
@nuberiffic
5 жыл бұрын
Isn't the line, "...hopefully encourages white people..." somewhat racist? In that it assumes white people don't or haven't done this?
@kimifw58
5 жыл бұрын
I like sitcoms too. It's a dying art. I'd like to see one that takes place in a Chinatown. The main cast would be Asian-Americans.
@lone6718
5 жыл бұрын
Kimi FW they tried something like that with Margret Cho Year’s ago. Only had a couple seasons.
@kimifw58
5 жыл бұрын
And to be clear, I say Chinatown because I think it's an interesting setting. I only ever see it in action movies and animated shows, so I'd like to see it in a more realistic way.
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
@@kimifw58 You're so right. I am sooooo curious about the immigrant communities living in New York, but where are the shows about them :/ Edited addition: I mean!! Think about it. They have literally made every show under the sun they could make about New York. And I am still missing out on immigrants. PAY FOR YOUR CRIMES HOLLYWOOD Fresh Off The Boat is really nice too. Of course very different from what you are suggesting, even set in a different decade, but still a very cool show.
@kimifw58
5 жыл бұрын
@@oof-rr5nf Sounds interesting. I'll check it out.
@ThexDynastxQueen
5 жыл бұрын
Fresh Off the Boat is close as about a Asian family that moves from DC to Orlando and how they adjust. It caught my eye as I realized there was only 1 Asian-American sitcom on US TV in the 29 years I've been alive...like damn. The original creator (Eddie Huang, it's about his life) left the show after season 1so it's focus shifts to the others more.
@Dorian_sapiens
5 жыл бұрын
When they say a show couldn't be made today, they really mean the show would be unpopular if it were made today. And, to the strong, stoic reactionary alpha males of our current era, being unpopular is CENSORSHIP!!!😭 Also, while I'm here, let me shout out the channel José, which did an excellent two-part analysis of the entire _Roseanne_ series, from the pilot episode through the reboot. [Link to part one: kzitem.info/news/bejne/soitr6Opopx1ZnY]
@TheHobgoblyn
5 жыл бұрын
I think maybe the modern equivalent might be Always Sunny in Philadelphia or Modern Family though.
@HadBabits
4 жыл бұрын
Great video :)
@inevski
2 ай бұрын
What they mean is the people it insults now have a voice.
@kimifw58
5 жыл бұрын
The Cosby Show wasn't exactly a utopia. Even though it showed a wealthy black family, it had episodes focusing on drugs, classism, learning disabilities, cancer, teen pregnancy, a bit of racism, and lots of sexism.
@TDanger1911
5 жыл бұрын
One of my main criticisms of The Cosby Show has always been its tendency to treat racism as if it were a relic of the past, while other shows that were arguably far more unrealistic dealt with social issues like racial profiling and discrimination head-on. A Different World and Fresh Prince dealt with them constantly. Family Matters has several episodes that deal with race, and one of the major characters had a machine that turned him into Bruce Lee.
@kimifw58
5 жыл бұрын
@@TDanger1911 True. It does have that problem.
@gateauxq4604
5 жыл бұрын
To be fair it not dealt with teen pregnancy because Lisa Bonét got pregnant. It was such a huge scandal at the time, it’s weird to look back on.
@vitorafmonteiro
3 жыл бұрын
The Cosby show is fascinating to the "Art and the artist" debate, because it is one of those times in which the artist is sort of "lying" with his art, because it is very unlike Cosby's own practices in private, and even more aware of social issues than the more "squeaky clean" of Cosby's stuff, and some level of girl power, while in private... yeah.
@NNNNNNN7237
5 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the "white saviour trope" it's been talked about a lot on KZitem since green book
@htaed23
4 жыл бұрын
dear god that line" they've come a long way on tv" is so funny and it hurt so bad. that writing was amazing.
@theomegajuice8660
5 жыл бұрын
I think one of the main issues with racism in sitcoms is that it's almost always used as a character moment for a white person. Either making them look good or making them self-reflect and grow. I'd love to have a racist moment in a sitcom where the white characters remain completely oblivious the entire time because that's pretty true to life.
@justingans679
Жыл бұрын
Not a sitcom, but Sorry To Bother You does this, in a grimly funny way.
@Tinymoezzy
4 жыл бұрын
All in the Family was supposed to shed light on racism, a voice that was as common then as it is now. The actor himself wanted people to change like the character he played. The problem is that just because you want someone to take one special thing from your performance doesn't mean they will.
@gennafer
4 жыл бұрын
I love sitcoms too. I like when you talk about them, it's like reliving my childhood.
@atheathorium
5 жыл бұрын
Norman Lear, the creator of All in the Family, based Archie Bunker on his own father. That show is very much the product of a liberal mindset and Archie is made to look like a doofus throughout all of it. It's amazing to see uploads of episodes on KZitem where so many of the people commenting hate the Meathead and praise Archie for getting it right. I think that some people lack the ability to introspect to such an extent that even when the holder of the viewpoints being espoused is presented as being the butt of the joke they are just happy to hear someone else saying what they're thinking. I don't think there's danger in Archie Bunker normalizing anything, I think the danger is that the people who agree with him have no grasp of irony and no insight as to how limited they are as people.
@droppedelbow
5 жыл бұрын
"Norman Lear, the creator of All in the Family, based Archie Bunker on his own father." I'm sure that would be news to Johnny Speight, the man that created Till Death Us Do Part, the show All In The Family was a direct adaptation of.
@Dorian_sapiens
5 жыл бұрын
You're both correct. Bunker was based on _both_ the character in _Till Death Us Do Part_ and on Lear's father. books.google.com/books?id=0ONKnx6JA0IC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=norman+lear+meathead&source=bl&ots=o3SNb673My&sig=nHAXy0TR3J1C4Y8Z7mdqn52en4k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS6K34lKvYAhUDKiYKHfQXD3I4ChDoAQg4MAM#v=onepage&q=norman%20lear%20meathead&f=false
@stevencoleman453
5 жыл бұрын
I was JUST thinking I hope T1J uploads a video soon! Always a welcome surprise.
@jconrace
5 жыл бұрын
This is a great video essay on media depictions of racism. I never really thought about it until watching this, but I guess the "very special episode" implied that racism is always a dramatic injustice that is easy to identify and can be rebuked without addressing structural racism or implicit bias. But maybe that's how progress works.
@bedwaaqcawsgurow6401
5 жыл бұрын
I am with you on this, brother. Duffer who are so nostalgic about a glorious past that never was are smothering us with such inanities.
@jacobjosefsberg7824
4 жыл бұрын
My great uncle was actually a writer for All in the Family. He was Jewish, and a lot of the jokes where Archie Bunker is antisemitic came from him.
@neigeepierrot4694
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting what was that like
@TickTockTimeTraveler
5 жыл бұрын
Did you sculpt that lil horse head? If so, I'm proud of you. He's handsome
@spirithawk6580
5 жыл бұрын
A good boy
@__-wc5zn
4 жыл бұрын
@@spirithawk6580 yo fellow homestuck
@TheWhocaresusername
4 жыл бұрын
There is a thread going on saying blazing saddles couldn't be made today and all in the family came up. That led me to your video. This whole thing is genius. Thank you for putting everything in a video what most people in the thread are trying to say.
@lhdv5853
5 жыл бұрын
i love community and i think that the way they represented Abed was an amazing way especially for tthoes oldy times
@garlicfries85
5 жыл бұрын
I would love hear your opinion on the show it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Great video man
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
I know right! I was thinking the same.
@renatocorvaro6924
3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching All in the Family as a kid, and even then always feeling like Archie was wrong but also kind of couldn't help it. Like, he didn't have the capacity to confront his own issues, and took it out on those around him. I dunno though, I was a smart kid. Wish that translated into being a smart adult.
@tripwire202
3 жыл бұрын
All of your videos are really consistent in quality, with great music and editing, plus you have a calming voice. Instant subscriber time! (You're now one of my go to Tubers for social commentary.) Have a good day if you happen to read this, and have a good day if you don't.
@jessiek8988
5 жыл бұрын
Since it was technically a sitcom, what do you think about the way The Boondocks tackled issues?
@Whoo711
5 жыл бұрын
very nice
@Whoo711
5 жыл бұрын
Huey is/was the shit
@jessiek8988
5 жыл бұрын
Whoo711 Agreed
@sorzin2289
4 жыл бұрын
Now seeing some of the episodes. It was really hit or miss to be honest. Some like the Block is hot were pretty good others like the stop snitchin episode make you think did he really write that.
@legrandfromage9682
5 жыл бұрын
Hey man I really appreciate the effort you put into your videos. Keep em coming 👍
@wright534
5 жыл бұрын
As ever, thoughtful and informative perspective on a pertinent topic and a particular storytelling medium that I grew up with. Appreciated.
@isabelbosoms5381
5 жыл бұрын
Brooklyn 99 does this really well, I feel, when they speak about Holt's experience, Terry racial profiling, the issues AMy goes through as a woman, Rosa coming out to her parents.
@itsKarenTerry
5 жыл бұрын
Great thoughts on sitcoms. I wonder if you watch Brooklyn 99?
@T1J
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's brilliant
@ErinPrimette
5 жыл бұрын
@@T1J Now I really want to start watching Brooklyn 99.
@gateauxq4604
5 жыл бұрын
Holt is one of the greatest sitcom heroes ever
@varunsrinidhi2618
3 жыл бұрын
I'll be sad when it ends. I'm already being sad just thinking about it now.
@issybella66
5 жыл бұрын
I think it’s good if a show tries to deal with issues like racism, homophobia and drug addictions but sometimes it falls flat even if most shows have good intentions and good writing but at lest they’re trying it’s better to try and address an issue than not saying anything
@brianarbenz7206
5 жыл бұрын
The night "All In The Family" premiered I was delighted to see a sitcom -- at last -- discuss political controversies, not just whether Steve Douglass should help Ernie make his school project. Social relevance! I was pumped. Steadily over the next couple of years, however, the racists of our area began rallying around the Archie character. I saw "Archie Bunker for President" t-shirts, which I dismissed as harmless, knowing that an illiterate, bigoted man-child narcissist could not possibly become president in this country. Well now, one in fact has, indicating that via "All In The Family", Archie's bigotry won the day over the ostensibly liberal and enlightened message of the show.
@PavarottiAardvark
5 жыл бұрын
Damn....I hadn't realised how Roseanne had gone *backwards* in certain ways.
@sanityisrelative
5 жыл бұрын
The first like 5 seasons are pretty damn good. They get progressively worse (even if I do like latter season Darlene a lot). I never even bothered with the new stuff.
@paulramasco6769
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I just found your channel a few days ago. I love sitcoms too because of the escapism and just enjoying comedy. One thing I like about 70s comedy is a lot of them tried to tackle issues of racism head-on. One show I'd suggest, if you haven't seen it, is Que Pasa USA. It's about a Cuban family that is living in miami and it tackles a lot of topics such as homosexuality, racism and colorism within the Latin community, and more. If you don't speak spanish you will need someone that does because they switch a lot and there are no subtitles but I think the show was as good as Good Times. I'm glad my friend put me on to it in the 90s.
@surgeland9084
5 жыл бұрын
I would be 100% on board with a show like One Day at a Time if it weren't for all the Baptista apologetics.
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, could you expand on the "baptisa apologists" part? I don't understand.
@surgeland9084
5 жыл бұрын
@@oof-rr5nf No worries, it's a very reasonable thing to ask. Fulgencio Rubén Baptista y Zaldívar was a puppet dictator installed in Cuba by the United States after the potential election of Castro would see significant loss of resources on the part of the United States. Under Baptista's reign, thousands were killed by death squads for the slightest sign of objection to the government. Castro later returned as a guerilla and with the help of his brother, Raúl and his lieutenant, Ernesto "Che" Guevara, overthrew Baptista in a civil war. In One Day at a Time, the grandmother more-or-less describes life in Cuba as idyllic prior to Castro's rule over the country. This was only true if you were among the super rich meaning that a significant problem arises in the way in which Cuban history is discussed in a heavily biased manner, placing all of the blame onto Castro and not even mentioning Baptista. As such, one can only conclude that the narrative is somewhat appologizing for Baptista.
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
@@surgeland9084 I see! Thank you for explaining it. That is horrifying. I am not defending the show here. But this could possibly be an intentional portrayal of how immigrants view their home countries? Because I have seen it happen with NRIs, Non-Residential Indians. Like a worrying no. of American Indians are Democrats and still somehow think our Prime Minister Modi and BJP, the right wing national party in India with backing of Hindu Nationalists, is "progressive". Contradictionary politics among immigrants is not a new phenomenon. Maybe they could have addressed it head-on if they had got a fourth season, because the Grandma's next arc was about living again in Cuba. Edit: It could be about the rose-coloured outlooks of these people of their birthplace where everything is _perfection_ because their lives as "outsiders", as immigrants, is so hard and they need to assurance. Which is still wrong of them course. Or maybe I am giving the show too much credit. This issue should have definitely come up already, they are so upfront with other political issues.
@surgeland9084
5 жыл бұрын
@@oof-rr5nf That is possible, although I think it's far more likely that the US has a stake in demonizing the Castros as much as possible. To be clear, though, in the early days of Cuba, they were awful, although I personally think that in recent years, the Cuban government has become one of the best in the region.
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
@@surgeland9084 Thanks for telling me, always good to learn about other countries's politics from actual people who know these things rather than the "world" section of the newspaper (which is always mostly about the US anyway here).
@anthonylombardo2869
5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear what you have to say about Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I really enjoy that show but I struggle with aspects of it sometimes. For example theres a few times where the main characters dress in black/brown face. The main characters are meant to be awful people, so the humor is meant to associate sexist/racist/homophobic things with awful people in general. That being said, I sometimes wonder if the writers (who are in the main cast themselves) are commenting on these types of people in the best way. Theres even this episode in I think the most recent season where they are trying to make a comment on police violence and actually show a young black child being shot dead by police. The show has always been known for its dark humor but I felt like actually showing that image in a series that is a comedy wasn't really needed especially since this is something that is actually happening today. Anyway if you watch the show I'd love to hear your thoughts! Keep making videos!
@lone6718
5 жыл бұрын
Love Carol O’Conner. Especially in “In the Heat of the Night”. All in the Family broke a lot of ground at the time.
@Dorian_sapiens
5 жыл бұрын
I was very young when I saw it, so I could be remembering incorrectly, but I think I remember an episode of _In the Heat of the Night_ that dealt somewhat progressively (at least, for a cop drama from the 1980s set in the Deep South) with the issue of race in the criminal justice system.
@lone6718
5 жыл бұрын
Dorian sapiens the whole series did. It began with a film, Sidney Poitier played the Black Detective newly arriving, but I don’t remember how many of the cast from the movie were carried over to the series. O’Conner’s own son played one of the cops. In general, the basis and focus of the entire series was race related. From a town and department accepting a black detective to their force all the way to later episodes where O’Conner eventually marries a black women from the community. I used it watch it with my grandparents.
@Dorian_sapiens
5 жыл бұрын
@@lone6718 Awesome, thanks for that information! I didn't realize that was basically the show's whole premise. But it is jogging some memories: the detective you're talking about was Tibbs.
@lone6718
5 жыл бұрын
Dorian sapiens yep.
@lloroshastar6347
4 жыл бұрын
Being from the UK I'm interested in the comparisons between US and UK sitcoms in this regard. I grew up in a time just when the more blatantly offensive shows were no longer being made or repeated. A good example is Till Death do us Part. This was a sitcom in which one of the central characters, Alf Garnet, was a working class Conservative (less common back then over here than it is now) who used fervently racist language and upheld old prejudices when everyone around him poked fun at his attitudes as society at large was evolving away from his perspective. Alf was always the butt of the joke, but because he used racist language people found kids were repeating it a lot so the show was eventually cancelled and I remember watching a few episodes but it hasn't been shown in years. On the other hand there were blatantly racist comedies and comedians which have largely slipped under the radar, for example a famous stand up comedian who pandered to racists was Bernard Manning, he was the out and out cartoonish racist except he was that in real life. Attitudes have changed slowly, but it feels like they have progressed more than the US in some ways, less in others. Our news media is honestly the most racist and offensive thing on TV these days. They can't wait to talk about the latest scandal involving someone from South Asia or the Middle East. Sitcoms are by and large written by progressives here, admittedly these are usually white progressives but still people a little more self aware than half the people that appeared in this video. The first time attitudes really changed a lot (they had started to here since the 60's, more so in the 80's in terms of comedy) was actually in the 90's with the sketch show Goodness Gracious Me, a hit comedy show written by, and starring, a cast predominantly descended from people from the Indian subcontinent (arguably the largest non-white population in the UK overall). After Goodness Gracious Me, our attitude to sitcoms really started to change. I think there was still a lot of white representation, but the public had warmed more to the idea that white people aren't always necessary for something to be successful.
@Envelion
5 жыл бұрын
Growing up I watched most of these older sitcoms with my grandmother. Archie Bunker was always one of my favorite, not because I agreed with him, but because I related with how he struggled to understand a world moving forward without him. Not just for myself, I was a kid, but because I saw him reflected in my family. I could only hope that they would learn the lessons that Archie was supposed to learn. Of course, as an adult I noticed some of them actually thought Archie's stubbornness was something people admired. They didn't think of him as a narrative device, and that instead his bigotry was something to emulate. That left a bad taste in my mouth...
@biharcourt
Жыл бұрын
I'm not going to lie, that Sheldon scene is hilarious 🤣 🤣
@blandandturner
4 жыл бұрын
I only recently stumbled across the channel and I’ve quickly become a devoted follower. I really enjoy your POV.
@lyspaere
3 жыл бұрын
I think with the vacuum idea you just described a thing I've been feeling for years but could never understand. I'm especially thrilled to look into some of the shows you recommended that I haven't watched yet, thank you!!!!
@GumbyBrainDoctor
5 жыл бұрын
Saw a random link to your channel, now I have a new channel to sub and binge.
@michaelcardoso5914
5 жыл бұрын
I just found your content recently, and have been working my way through your catalog of videos. I enjoy hearing your insights on these often difficult-to-discuss topics. Can’t wait to see more! Cheers :)
@droppedelbow
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I'd love to hear your views on Till Death Us Do Part (the British show All In The Family was based on). A comparison between UK and American portrayals of racist patriarchs could be quite interesting. Alf (Archie) had a wife far more likely to fight back when he went on his tirades, nowhere near the scatterbrained Edith, and while Meathead was a bit of a lefty, Mike was a full on Trotskyite (can't imagine that going over well in the US). And Alf's house could fit into Archie's about 5 times. British TV was more open to having sitcom characters that actually lived like poor people. Mike was often called "A randy scouse git", which then became a song by The Monkees, which is irrelevant, but a good song.
@Child_of_the_lie
5 жыл бұрын
Damn, you beat me to it.
@katieusbrownius
2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t realise Mike WAS actually played by a scouser until recently yanno, being a scouser myself I’ve just never heard it!
@MJGalvanMusic
5 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. Thanks!
@jessicaleser8822
Жыл бұрын
The best scene in All in the Family is when Archie is talking about "the gays" and how much he disapproves and God is judging them and Edith says to him, " but Archie, he's God, you ain't."
@Kinsey6King
4 жыл бұрын
I was recommending your video about Tina Fey and I completely forgot to subscribe to you, I’m really happy this popped up in my recommended. You are amazing.
@cjholden6205
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know how I came across this channel from watching Chemical Brothers videos while waiting for a package to arrive, but I'm glad I did. Your videos are entertaintaining and educational, so what else can I ask for? (Also yay, sitcoms!) But that ALL IN THE FAMILY clip at 7:51 reminded me way too much of my mother, who pretty much said the same (although in all seriousness) after pointing out all the black authority figures in shows like NCIS or THE BLACKLIST.
@metaldude4563
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly the ultimate "they couldn't make this today" thing I see trotted out is either Blazing Saddles or The Producers
@magadorspartacus
5 жыл бұрын
Great analysis. Sitcoms can be a good vehicle for delving into racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, etc because these are part of our everyday lives. But they can make people uncomfortable so networks may be wary to handle these topics.
@wordnado9788
5 жыл бұрын
Always look forward to your videos. You’re a great speaker.
@moderman512
4 жыл бұрын
This so relevant at the moment. You covered some great points.
@ItHadToBeSaid
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, great video. Lionel is my favorite character on All in the Family because he's so good at sassing Archie.
@mattrobert5
5 жыл бұрын
I think it's super werid when people say certain satires wouldn't be made today. Like I've seen people say blazing saddles wouldn't be made today which just makes me think they don't understand it. I think master of none dealt with social issues really well integrating them naturally into the show. Whatever you think of Aziz Ansari post me too, the way he integrated problems like casual racism and sexism into the show was super refreshing.
@SignalHillHiker
5 жыл бұрын
"So I guess they COULD have made it today" - man, I literally just met you, just found this channel. Don't hit me so hard lol
@lynnhettrick7588
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about Black-ish. It’s one of my favorite shows. The writing is superb, so spot on. I love the actors too. It’s where I first came to love Daveed Diggs! Anthony Anderson’s boss on the show (can’t think of his name ATM) could be seen as a modern day Archie Bunker. The show handles so many current and relevant topics. I hope it continues as long as possible.
@abdulrahmanalhamali1707
4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I just watched some of your videos and you're very smart, with a deep understanding on issues. Keep it up! When I first started listening to you, though, I felt you talked a little too slow, but honestly that's just because other youtube videos conditioned me on fast talking and having a short attention span. So thank you for the de-conditioning as well!
@azazelgrigori9244
4 жыл бұрын
Story time. I used to go to a "black owned" art studio that hosted a bi monthly open mic night. I was the only white person among a room full of African Americans. For me, it was thrilling. And they liked how I was so open to be there. This one guy compared me to Sheldon Cooper because I'm intelligent, reserved, and nerdy. I knew he wasn't being malicious, but I felt as if he wouldn't like it if I compared him to a black tv character. I spent two weeks thinking up a response. Then when I went up stage, I said "I sit in the audience and listen to you. I try my hardest to show you all respect, and I would expect the same in return. Just as you wouldn't want me comparing any of you to (Insert Black Character), I don't want to be compared to (Insert White Character). So please treat me as an individual." I got my point across without giving names, so everything was fine. When asked why I wouldn't want to be compared to Sheldon Cooper, I replied with "Cause, he wouldn't be here." Sheldon, to me, is both racist, sexist, but above all elitist. He wouldn't hang around people who he thought were intellectually inferior. Me, I believe in the multiple intelligence theory. So, while I may be better in certain things than others, I don't think I'm intellectually superior.
@yourbuttcrack
5 жыл бұрын
Have you watched José's videos about a leftist reading of Rosanne? It doesn't totally focus on racism but it mentions the same episodes you did, so this video made me think of it.
@zainmudassir2964
3 жыл бұрын
I've watched Josè's video on Gundam Seed
@chriswalker7632
5 жыл бұрын
It has taken me 3 or 4 years, but I think I have managed to solve the problem of Mark Fisher's 'The Vampire Castle'. It mainly centre's around depression - and how our sense of identity relates to fears, memories and anxieties. It is not rocket science stuff - but still it was hard work for me. We can't deny 'idenitities' - they are what makes us human. The problem is in trying to be more human than human - to quote from blade runner. We need a 'centrism' attitude about identity, but a progressive (leftist?) attitude to everything else that has occur since we created the whole mess we live in now. You have to be able to hold these two conflicting tugs on our beliefs at the same time - otherwise we are going to get nowhere. Took me 15,000 words of looking into so much stuff it was actually really painful.
@AiiCii
5 жыл бұрын
I remember watching all in the family before going to school at some point when they were airing reruns. The episode with Beverly LaSalle really stuck with me. Also Archie was pretty anxiety inducing with all his shouting
@Drawoon
5 жыл бұрын
There are also older movies that couldn't have been made today because we just make movies differently now. I've heard there are some pretty good silent movies and we're certainly not making those anymore, or at least they don't reach big audiences. Or take 2001: a space odyssey. It's not a very good movie, but it wouldn't have been made today.
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
Hey, 2001: A Space Odyssey is awesome. Come on, now.
@Drawoon
5 жыл бұрын
@@oof-rr5nf do you honestly think so?
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
@@Drawoon Yes. Genuinely. No joke. I have only seen it once and it has been a while, I admit. But it was a wonderful experience. Remarkable piece of sci fi for being so old. And it is so fucking weird, the ending broke my brain. It was amazing. Sure, it's pace drags and it has boring parts but I will still stand by it.
@Drawoon
5 жыл бұрын
@@oof-rr5nf huh, interesting. It felt kind of slow and incomprehensible when I watched it, which meant I really didn't enjoy it, but I guess with the right mindset those can be positive traits too.
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
@@Drawoon That is very generous of you :D But really. No need to concede your point if you don't want to. My ego can take it. I just wanted to make clear that _* I *_ like it but it is certainly a film that is "out there" in a way which is not appealing to everyone. Nothing wrong with that.
@_guyfieri
5 жыл бұрын
funny coincidence: just before i opened youtube and saw you uploaded this, i was thinking about comedians, and how a lot of what they talk about seems to be the world being "politically correct" instead of the bigotry that leads to the idea of "political correctness" in the first place. what do you think about that?
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
oh _SNAP!_
@sierrasouthwell9237
5 жыл бұрын
I think T1J has actually done a video on this, taking about Jerry Seinfeld who complained about not being able to perform on college campuses a few years back.
@dragoncatoverload
3 жыл бұрын
Usually when I say “they couldn’t make this today” I mean “I still like this but thank god you don’t see this exact shit anymore” or “I know these aspects of it are bad and I’m sorry but trust me if you accept those bits it’s a good movie”. Usually it’s a “I enjoy this but, yikes”.
@EnkiduShamesh
5 жыл бұрын
whenever I hear "they couldn't make that know" I always feel like they mean "it's good, but kinda fucked up and it's good that something that couldn't be made now." I never feel like someone is saying "they couldn't make that now because of PC culture" but I suppose it depends on who you are talking to.
@CorbiniteVids
5 жыл бұрын
I've heard it with both implied. Definitely depends on your circles
@lethalbee
5 жыл бұрын
What do you think about "It's always sunny in Philadelphia"?
@T1J
5 жыл бұрын
it's hilarious. it's kind of hard for me to enjoy with no likeable characters on it though lol
@Child_of_the_lie
5 жыл бұрын
@@T1J Sunny has a big following in the UK. We like shows with unlikeable characters.
@kesefking1281
4 жыл бұрын
why is it easier to hear you speak about these subjects than anyone else on youtube?!!
@danidkg4071
5 жыл бұрын
dude, one day at a time is such a great show, i legit cried during the first episode
@Allisonlikescats
Жыл бұрын
Love your videos man. Always a good watch :)
@DjFatFolks
5 жыл бұрын
another great video, appreciate your insight on these topics where your life experience offers a view different from my own.
@PaceFilmsProductions
5 жыл бұрын
The thing that amazes me the most is how many conservatives use screenshots and make memes of Archie and his “simple wisdom” while at the same time seeming to be totally unaware that the show was mocking and his viewpoints.
@frankdelgrosso8297
5 жыл бұрын
I think Archie was a necessary foil to demonstrate how outdated, inappropriate, and wrongheaded racism is. I think a major theme and endeavor of All In the Family was social justice. Trying to represent racism as evil also makes it easy to just write off as an extreme we don’t really need to worry about. But Archie Bunker….well if you grew up in the 70’s and 80’s he was not a rarity. We all knew an Archie, usually we knew quite a few. And that means racism IS still a serious problem and not just the KKK acting out once in a while. I suspect that show did way more good than people realize.
@oliviabaumstein9568
5 жыл бұрын
i’m wondering what you think of scrubs? i find it’s a paradoxically nuanced approach coupled with old stereotypes that seem to undermine it
@oof-rr5nf
5 жыл бұрын
Oh damn! Perfect summary, you poet, you. All the memories of Cox harassing JD and the consistent casual sexism are certainly painful to think about now x(
@Zee-pi3io
5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed One day at a time (actually I remember recommending it you on stream before you'd heard of it) But looking back it took the hardliiiiiine right wing approach to Cuba. Good video!
@4dultw1thj0b
5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention all the glorification of the US military. :/
@kthemaster1999
5 жыл бұрын
Not really. That's how most Cuban immigrants view the current Cuban regime especially older immigrants like Rita Moreno's character.
@lacyk6449
5 жыл бұрын
KTHEMASTER yeah the show for lydia definitely went more with how most cuban-born women of her generation would feel and act, not how the writers or someone watching may feel, which was honestly a good move on their part
@purplewine7362
4 жыл бұрын
you probably also think criticizing Castro and Guevara is "hardliiiiiine right wing approach to Cuba"
@danidkg4071
5 жыл бұрын
i love michael schur's shows (parks and rec, brooklyn nine nine, the office) and community more than anything, but they could do a better job at dealing with race. brooklyn nine nine has dealt with it tho, but it could be discussed a little bit more. still love it!
@MadXStitcher
5 жыл бұрын
Roseanne was my jam growing up. It was the first TV show that looked like my family and I ate it up.
@tigerstyle4505
5 жыл бұрын
Did we forget the legendary episode where Archie is flirting with joining the Klan (I think) but receives a life saving blood transfusion from a black donor and tells the Klan to fck off and says something along the lines of "As my people say: Feet's don't fail me now" as he leaves??? Idk if it was transformative or what but it seemed a pretty significant part. I used to see the show a lot as a jit and haven't watched it since but that part is still stuck in my head.
@skullbearer
4 жыл бұрын
I like to point out shows like Brooklyn 99 and say 'this couldn't have been made in the 70/80/90s'- whatever idyllic time the other person is trying to hark back to.
@greenoak1
5 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Nice breakdown. Sitcoms are fascinating!
@charmedblondie4
5 жыл бұрын
I've seen people mentioning B99, which I really enjoy, but I was wondering if you also watch Superstore. Personally, I think it's the most underrated comedy on TV right now.
@davidsykes6584
4 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think you could do an updated All In the Family/The Jeffersons, I just don't know if it'd live up to the expectations.
@lhfirex
5 жыл бұрын
I'd been thinking about this/confronted by "they sure can't make this kind of movie/TV today" commentary lately, too, so I'm really grateful for the video. The "I've definitely met people like that" line you said about the sitcom villain spray painting the N-word on people's car/locker has me thinking that happened to you personally, and man I hope not. But if it did, it didn't break you. Sitcoms are kinda mixed for me. There are tons I'll never see and don't want to see, even among the more nuanced ones, plenty of nuanced ones I like, and I like ones that don't even really touch on serious issues. Nuanced sitcoms are great, since comedy is a way more effective method of introducing opposing viewpoints and challenging someone's preconceived notions than drama. Goofy sitcoms that never address serious issues are also fine to me, because there's value in escapism. I like Parks and Rec because of its craziness and escapism. It's nice to watch something so silly because it means for 30 minutes I don't have to think about all the bad stuff going on in the world. Brooklyn 99 is mostly like that, too, but I think when they had serious episodes it was handled really well. The Good Place is another one I enjoy, but more because of its nerdy philosophical bent. (also, one problem with The Good Place is I feel like every single character is written like/by a white dude, so sometimes Chidi, Jason, and Tahani feel inauthentic) I like Black-ish a lot too, and I know I'm not part of its target audience. Doesn't really matter because it's funny, thought-provoking, and when it gets into a serious issue, it doesn't have that "very special episode" feeling a lot of those 80s-90s sitcoms do. Wish I could get more white people to watch it, because I think it's one of the best examples of comedy being an effective method of challenging someone's preconceived notions. I think most white people (definitely most of the ones I know personally) immediately react with "no thanks, I know that's not for me," when we're told about a black show or movie. But it's a really safe way of humanizing people different from you when you can watch their characters grow on TV and see how much alike all of us humans really are. Side note on an already too long comment: holy crap I did not know Big Bang Theory went that incredibly racist. I didn't like it because of how badly they treated, well, everyone, but damn, that's just god-awful. Chuck Lorre is probably set for life making sitcoms at CBS though, so I doubt that's the last terrible thing we'll see from him.
@brianarbenz7206
5 жыл бұрын
Maturation is not censorship.
@deadlymelody27
3 жыл бұрын
When i say "that joke couldnt be made today" i never say it in a negative way. Its more like "that joke really wouldnt play now and makes me feel very uncomfortable, im glad we cant make that joke today". Especially the amount of transphobic jokes that have been used until very very recently in sitcoms. But i know it definitely gets used in a different way by people reminiscing over the "good ol' days", and honestly fuck that shit.
@CrazyGuyoftheWest
3 жыл бұрын
One can't forget S12 E1 of It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. Very introspective to the lower-class white culture, and how it conflicts with lower-class black culture. Uplifting, while ultimately realistic, it's undoubtedly the best episode of the season.
@Kevashidaz
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm curious as to why you list intersectionality as harmful (11:30). It was always my impression that acknowledging the intersections of different oppressions (such as being black and a woman), and how those intersections create unique experiences that should be acknowledged and addressed, was a good thing. As you suggested, I did some googling on the topic, which only seemed to further my perspective. In particular, Kat Blaque's video "What Is: Intersectionality" was a strong, concise summation of the topic. I'm gonna be watching a lot more of your channel, I really enjoyed this video. Hopefully you've already done a video on your thoughts on intersectionality, because I'm interested in hearing your perspective. Whether you have or not, and whether you respond to the subject or not, thank you for the video, and keep up the good work! Subscribed.
@MarvinRoman
5 жыл бұрын
Kevashidaz that stood out for me too and would love to hear why it’s considered negative?
@rollinnollin546
5 жыл бұрын
There’s this Serbian movie called “Parade”, and one of the protagonists is this super masculine cishet guy who loves Ben-Hur because “They don’t make em like they used to”. Ya know, just a movie about guys being bros. It isn’t until about a half-hour into the film when someone points out to him how the main characters of the film are super gay for each other. “Parade”also has a good example of a bigoted main character who learns the error of their ways by the end, to varying success, depending of your interpretation.
@katieusbrownius
2 жыл бұрын
It’s so funny how many people don’t know All in the Family is a remake of Till Death do us Part
@Emileigggggh
5 жыл бұрын
I need to watch a lot more All In The Family, but I think Archie's an example of a person who has the potential to be a good person (it's not like he wants people to suffer) but he has so many preconceptions of things like race/gender etc due to a mixture of ignorance, propaganda and just general social attitudes and he isn't willing to do the work to unlearn all of that, especially since it would require him to acknowledge that he's been in the wrong for all these years. And when he sees how he's stagnating but others in previously less well-off social groups are starting to do better, they become a scapegoat and they become the problem instead of the people in charge. So many poor white people for instance will blame poc for their lot in life instead of blaming the people actually in charge.
@nr0802
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, world is progressing, not nearly as quickly as I'd like to, but at this point I'll be thankful if it stops getting worse. (for interesting analysis of Roseanne see here ://kzitem.info/news/bejne/soitr6Opopx1ZnY )
@Dorian_sapiens
5 жыл бұрын
José! Good recommendation.
@Bartholomule01
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't like the mentality that just because something offensive was made in the past that we are worse off for being less offensive today. Like some people can't let go of the past even when society is changing around them. An example of this is that (even tho it is starting to go away) Hip-Hop has a homophobia problem. And Hip-Hop fans that remain homophobic say things like "Hip-Hop has always been this way, if you don't like, get out." It doesn't matter to them that society is different now, the genre was massively homophobic in the 80's-90's so according to them it is not obligated to change.
@lloroshastar6347
4 жыл бұрын
I found all this very fascinating and I'm glad somebody is finally talking about it because I feel like the whole world (as in my world) acts like racism is a thing of the past, and they have this hazy nostalgia about what people could or couldn't do even only as recently as 10 years ago. In my country they act like saying anything will get you in trouble with the police but they do it anyway and nothing happens, Katie Hopkins compared migrants to cockroaches but she didn't get arrested she just got rich off of it. White people (myself included) aren't the victims but so many are trying so hard to act like they are, because that is the narrative that suits their agenda so they can use it as justification for causing harm against minorities. Whether that harm is mob violence or just removing funding from a certain sector of society or charity, either way its motivated by prejudice.
@Puerco-Potter
5 жыл бұрын
To stop having discriminatory joked is a good thing, but I don't think most people are really thinking of good and bad when they miss the old days, they just think of personal enjoyment. They want to have their racist or classist or sexist jokes, and laugh at them and they really can't anymore (not new ones of the old quality). The feeling of lacking or missing something is a real one. This is a group that objectively it's having "less" joy now (even if their joy was at expense of others, without they really considering it, in their eyes they weren't harming anyone). And I think to say "bu-hu, poor little Boomer", it's being snobbish, when a "well, it's a shame you can feel the same joy you use to, but it's better for society" it more accurate and comprehensive to the situación.
@LegionOfWeirdos
5 жыл бұрын
I thought the quintessential "they couldn't make that today" work was "Blazing Saddles"
@LegionOfWeirdos
5 жыл бұрын
But then I guess that's not a sitcom.
@dominomasked
5 жыл бұрын
People who lament “you can’t make this today” just mean “I don’t like that I have to make something new when I’d rather just rip this off, but people will think I’m a regressive hack and that’s not fair because being creative is harrrrrrrrd.”
@vitorafmonteiro
3 жыл бұрын
I'm watching an "All in the Family" rerun as I write this. With covid, ended watching a lot of reruns of this with my father, and it is impressive how good the writing aged (compared to "Green Book" this is pretty tight in racial politics for something written by white liberals), and it is interesting to think Archie has a fandom, because if you pay attenton it is easy to notice he is the butt of ALL the jokes (he is funny and fun to hear alright, but everyone including Mike, Lionel and even his supposed "dingbat" wife say things ridiculing him), but I get how the fact he is supposed to be a family member to not be shuned but reconciled with might give unfortunate implication that we should reconcile with any bigot, but I guess it is kind of inevitable, the whole idea of Archie was to delve into a casual bigot, not a raging racist, a Montana cowboy who dragged gays tied to a horse, or a bomber who kills any suspected communist, he is your dad, your father-in-law, your spouse, your coworker, he is not on the same level as the harder examples of that bigotry (he just "barks" a lot without "walking the walk"), which does not mean that the f*cked up things he says are not bigotry, but he is the casual case. Sure, it might give vibes that you are excusing him and have unfortunate implications for the audience to do it that way (as the unpc fans of Archie show), but it would be hard to portray a casual bigot as not the same as the hardcore one (and how many people ignore the softcore ones only shows how vital the portrayal of them existing at all is) without those "side effects" (not impossible but hard). Also, Archie is a casual bigot from "the Greatest Generation", someone who was old enough to fight in WWII would be casually bigot in a manner similar to him, in a way that casual bigots from now would not quite be like, so him saying all that outlandish crap and being a non-monster works with the age group shown in the '70s in a way that portraying a man exactly like that in fiction now would not ring unless it was with a character born the same year as Archie (I don't mean "They could never do the show now", but the show was a perfect fit for covering the casual bigotry from then and it would have to be redone to work now).
Пікірлер: 446