Few things I missed in the video, thanks to helpful commenters! Most of them dont change the thesis of the video but are definitely worth mentioning: -Goten also trained with Trunks of course, not just Chichi -Goten and Trunks are likely much stronger because Goku/Vegeta were already Super Saiyans by the time they were concieved -I may have misspoken "Perfect Cell" and "Super Perfect Cell" at a couple points, though I still believe by the time Super Hero rolls around, the boys are stronger than both -Lot of people have issue with Gamma 1 & 2 scaling in Super Hero. Imo there are 2 ways to look at scaling stuff, if you care about the statements, you can see them how I portrayed in the video, but if you only care about what you see on screen thats totally fine too! -I mix the Anime and Manga, again I dont think it changes much about the video but I find it fun to take from both to build a more cohesive narrative if it doesnt bring up any blaring contradictions, thats the fun of having 2 to pull from :)
@MetaITurtle
Жыл бұрын
Right Gotenks went SS3 and they never questioned them about it. This alone should actually make them stronger than Goku and Vegeta very soon. Because they tasted SS3 at age 8. They should be able to surpass them I mean
@bobtimmyjoeshmo
Жыл бұрын
Supers scaling in general confuses me characters seem to just spike in power for no reason and lose power to the point of being hurt by bullets. Like krillin went from being hurt by bullets not even his child untrained self was hurt by them to forcing a universal possibly universal+ goku into using super sayan. Him slipping on rain or not seems sketchy and Master Roshi in the manga being able to fight Jiren and in the anime being able to mafuba ssb vegeta while fatigued so it's whatever nothing will surprise me anymore in this show.
@jordanverdun3522
Жыл бұрын
Listen bro if you want to debate we can but super saiayan goten and trunks can not beat nay version of cell. Goten says trunks is stronger than him which nemans gohan and goten can’t be equals or that would imply trunk is stronger than gohan which is just not true lol. Goten and trunks as super saiayans are weaker than piccolo and 18, two character who have not surpassed perfect cell by that point lol. Goten and trunks as super saiayans are probably as strong as goku and vegeta in their base tbh. I don’t see super gotenks being stronger than kibito Kai that would be extremely inconsistent. Obviously a hypothetical ssj2 gotenks would be enough to beat him, considering saiayans have transformation that’s what gives them edge in a fusion but ssj gotenks is definitely losing to kibito Kai
@jordanverdun3522
Жыл бұрын
@@MetaITurtle ssj3 gotenks was equal to super buu, and ssj3 goku was equal to kid buu. Kid buu> super buu. So base gotenks should be around base vegeta and goku.
@mosermi443
Жыл бұрын
I've always had the head canon that goten has such ease transforming into super saiyan because goku was not only able to become a super saiyan, but WAS a super saiyan at the time of conception
@Iautocorrect
Жыл бұрын
Goten and trunks should get a spin off where they become galactic patrol agents and have like a buddy cop vibe.
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that would be dope
@JocquesThrills
Жыл бұрын
They could also train under merus xD
@lakotatheenigma9767
Жыл бұрын
That’s something I hope actually happens in canon, especially after the 28th World Martial Arts Tournament and Goku goes to train Uub. It would be awesome to see Goten and Trunks going around and doing Galactic Patrol missions in their universe and in the other universes in the multiverse and growing through tons of character development and become way stronger and more skilled than before and gain tons of skills, abilities, experience, knowledge, and new transformations and forms as Galactic Patrolmen as well as fight different villains, antagonists, and meet new characters while Goten and Trunks as Galactic Patrolmen also constantly train and get mentored by Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, and other characters as well as train with Broly, the Universe 6 Saiyans, and other characters. Also like someone else said in their comment to yours, Goten and Trunks would also get the opportunity to train and get mentored by Merus.
@lakotatheenigma9767
Жыл бұрын
@@JocquesThrillsat would actually be really cool. Plus imagine the levels of power, skills, abilities, and knowledge Goten and Trunks would gain under Merus’s tutelage.
@GyasiO
Жыл бұрын
That’s a rly cool idea
@masonrobinson7009
Жыл бұрын
I think closing the gap of power between a lot of characters would help the show out a lot. People love the Saiyan hybrids as well a piccolo. It feels better to see them strong and able to hold their own even if they aren't as powerful as Goku and Vegeta. Rather than tossing them weak opponents just to give the a W. It will also better prove the strength of adversaries if they defeat the side cast. Beast Gohan being defeated would come as a much greater surprise than his previous form and would better prove how much of a threat an opponent may be. Also I personally would be very happy to see Gohan making an impact and defeating more important enemy. Seeing him step in to finish off a powerful opponent who defeated Goku or Vegeta would be very fun.
@jonni1023
Жыл бұрын
N the hybrids have more potential so it would make sense
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if one day we'll see a real torch passing. Maybe they'll keep up arcs like these current ones and shift out Goku/Vegeta in favor of the kids and side characters. Sorta like Boruto (but better please lol)
@ditto_arts
Жыл бұрын
it would be insane if toyotaro lets him have a go against black freeza after adapting super hero
@andriagamgoneishvili8468
Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetLevelDB they tried it with gohan, but they just had goku come back into the light. i am pretty sure goku and vegeta will always remain as the main heroes. heck we even see goku knocking around goten at the end of Z. so...not sure that would happen
@a1pha_star
Жыл бұрын
@@andriagamgoneishvili8468 That's why I'm skeptical as well. Would love to see a passing of the torch, but I just can't see it happening as long as Goku and Vegeta are the main focus. I really do love Goten and Trunks, one can only hope. 🙏
@timothymoore8549
Жыл бұрын
I love teen gotens design it’s very distinct from his dad and really feels cool like trunks
@imjustadog1897
Жыл бұрын
He went from looking like his father to looking like his grandmother. I know his teen look came before Gine, but he still looks like his father and grandparents.
@alehlete830
Жыл бұрын
goten looking like yamcha is littt
@TheRandomGuyTheFarNoGameCat
Жыл бұрын
@@imjustadog1897 oh shiz. He definitely looks Gine. I never even thought about that.
@Kvnfrn99
Жыл бұрын
i hate it, wasnt it stated before that sayans hair never changes throughout all stages of life?
@KonariVibez
Жыл бұрын
@Kevin Fiorini Full Blood, and that argument is still holding up from what we've seen from Goku, Vegeta, Raditz, Broly, (with Nappa as an exception)
@_Koyomi_
Жыл бұрын
That Kamehameha Goten hit on Cell Max went hard.
@nujabeez6573
Жыл бұрын
I wanna see a Goten and Trunks spin off series
@MarcAlcatraz
Жыл бұрын
after finishing super hero i had the huge urge to want to watch a Trunks and Goten adventure duo. they have a neat dynamic sort of like Goku and Vegeta but with enough of a spin to make it worth exploring.
@HomellAlcautor
Жыл бұрын
They had one in the manga, but they pretty much scraped that to rewrite the movie beat by beat.
@JohnnyHeracles
Жыл бұрын
Same
@sightseer1858
Жыл бұрын
No you don’t
@kwingoify
Жыл бұрын
@@sightseer1858 why?
@snezycolins4125
Жыл бұрын
At the end of the movie we saw them doing the fusion dance (correctly) and never saw how they looked. So I bet the next movie/arc will be about them!
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed, really hoping to see more of them, Pan and the other side cast
@andreasbierl8675
Жыл бұрын
But I actually like them fight as seperate characters more than their fusion counterpart, they need a new evolution, just like gohan, that would be really cool 👍
@whowontho
Жыл бұрын
Some things to note: 1. 4:00 In the manga, Goten and Trunks never landed a hit on #18. They couldn’t touch a SUPPRESSED #18 who initially believed she was fighting an earthling. Furthermore, Goten didn’t think they could kill her. That panel was just Trunks stating a ki blast WOULDN’T kill her. Scaling them to or above #18 like you did would be wrong. 2. 6:00 #17 tamed those Cell juniors, and thus they had no killing intent when confronting Goten and Trunks. In the anime as everyone knows, #17 doesn’t kill the poachers he encounters. This is also true in the manga and in Chapter 31 he rounds up poachers and places them on a boat, telling them to never return. So it’s clear #17 has a no kill policy. In the bonus chapter where the Cell juniors make an appearance, #17 makes it clear to Krillin that he tamed the juniors to not defy rangers. This would mean that they’re trained to hold back their power as to prevent any killing of possible poachers. Even then, when they attacked Goten and Trunks they were pushing the boys back and Goten even exclaimed, “They’re too strong!” The boys aren’t Cell level.
@windghost2
Жыл бұрын
Not only that but we really haven’t seen them get pushed to their limits like their fathers and Gohan did in the numerous fights they’ve been in.
@whowontho
Жыл бұрын
@@windghost2 Precisely. I forgot to bring this up, but in “Yo Son Goku and his friends return!” the boys fight two aliens named Abo and Kado that are stated to be Frieza level. Tarble is the one that stated this, and as he would have no knowledge of Final Form Frieza from Namek it’s most likely he meant First Form Frieza. The boys were fighting them in base form and struggling, so they needed coaching from Gohan to push them back. Based on this, if you put them against #18 or CELL, they’re getting stomped.
@windghost2
Жыл бұрын
@@whowontho Exactly. And until they get out in the same situations as Gohan and their dads, I don’t see them being Perfect Cell level or above.
@StalkyD
Жыл бұрын
On point! So many KZitem power scales way to high. Perfect Cell stomps Goten or Trunks.
@whowontho
Жыл бұрын
@@StalkyD Yeah, a lot of people extrapolate characters battle power by cherry-picking certain events without looking at the full context of said situation. It leads to a massive over-estimation of what these characters are capable of. People have to view the full picture without conveniently leaving out crucial details (such as them not being able to hit #18).
@mickhack8034
Жыл бұрын
Goten is my absolute favorite DB character, i hate that they skipped on him so much
@Spadeaswell
Жыл бұрын
Look, imma say this now, but Gohan didn’t struggle to go Super Saiyan in canon. In the manga, he did the charging up power thing and just went Super Saiyan. Hell, hate to discourage the most epic Super Saiyan transformation in all of Dragon Ball, but Future Trunks did exactly what Kid Trunks did and went Super Saiyan after powering up. There’s even a panel of Super Saiyan Future Trunks training with Future Gohan. It’s not Goten and Trunks having potential because of plot holes, it’s literally just in the plot they can go Super Saiyan super easy.
@l5lmgtlink
Жыл бұрын
A theory I heard years ago is that Goten was conceived just before the Cell Games as Goku and Gohan spent the last few days on Earth taking it easy but also maintaining Super Saiyan. Goku was SS from the time he left the chamber until his death. Trunks being under Vegeta's vigorous tutelage makes sense for that early transformation but Goten might have something to do with Goku's state before being killed.
@SuperKamehameha2
Жыл бұрын
Goten is one of my favorites, he’s really underrated and before DBS threw scaling out the window, he 100% could have been the strongest character in Z if he got the same training and opportunity like unlocking potential like Gohan did. With no formal training he was as strong as he was which says a lot. Even Trunks got trained by Vegeta
@andreasbierl8675
Жыл бұрын
You're so right
@purrito3822
Жыл бұрын
Even despite being a year younger than Trunks who even has Royal Blood, it could be argued he still has more potential, being able to go SS 1 year before Trunks himself. At this point he’s just comedic relief, but if they actually have him a character he would be at SSB level once he was 10, he’s by far my favorite character, he deserves better. At least he still pulls women by looking at them so that’s a good flag, but just about it.
@lqgjack9520
Жыл бұрын
Another legendary best of all time GOAT MAJOR PLOT VIDEO. No lies frfr
@tentaplayz3691
Жыл бұрын
Goten and Trunks did the Goku and Vegeta thing from the Cooler movie!!!!
@criticallyblank
Жыл бұрын
Great video, I like the editing and how you gathered both anime and manga information. Also I didn't even realize that technically they were stronger than Piccolo's new state since they were able to crack Cell-max's head lol, I'm glad you mentioned that. Hope we can see more of the saiyan boys.
@IsaiahMusic_
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love goten and trunks! They need to have their own identity and super moves.
@drxpgodxx487
Жыл бұрын
They have their own identity and moves
@IsaiahMusic_
Жыл бұрын
@@drxpgodxx487 explain?
@drxpgodxx487
Жыл бұрын
@@IsaiahMusic_ well trunks and goten are pretty much nothing like their dads we get to see their hobbies and how they act those two are even different from each other goten more laid back not that popular they main thing those two got in common is their love for fighting and super hero’s trunks is a hero nerd very popular and spends the majority of the arc trying to get Mai attention
@drxpgodxx487
Жыл бұрын
@@IsaiahMusic_ and for the moves part they’re not that different but those two got the best team work we’ve ever seen from saiyans
@IsaiahMusic_
Жыл бұрын
@DrxpGod XX yeah I get what you're saying, they do have some screen time in dragon ball super but in my opinion it's not enough. If you've read the Manga you should see the direction they're going because now they are both sayianman heros trying to save the day. I just wish they could learn more moves other than the basic Kamehameha as well as more screen time in the future.
@pc-heroes
Жыл бұрын
I think Goten could be even stronger than any other Sayian that ever existed for this one main reason: The fact that Goten was conceived while Goku was in his Mastered Super Sayian Grade 4 state. It is said that the more S-Cells you have the more powerful your offspring will be. So if this is also true then does this mean that Goku Jr & Vegeta Jr should be at like Jiren level in base forms? Possibly but my Goku idea is the main factor here.
@christiancinnabars1402
Жыл бұрын
I mean, Goten actually couldn't have been conceived during the days leading up to the Cell Games as that would make him at most a bit over 6 years old in the Buu Saga rather than 7. So he was conceived near the end of the three year training for the Androids; when Goku couldn't stay SSJ.
@justinboozer2934
Жыл бұрын
If any sayian would be the most powerful do to s-cells would be bulla she was born while goku and vegeta powers are more than ssj3 goku in buu saga in their base forms plus the fact god ki as well wihich you put bulla to have the best potiental and if dedicated like goku and vegeta she would be by fare to most most powerful beside broly
@pc-heroes
Жыл бұрын
I think my point is still valid. Even if Goten was conceived before the Cell Games in the time of the 3 year training Goku did with Gohan and Piccolo then Goten should have more potential than Gohan. Goku wasn't a Super Saiyan when Gohan was conceived so the fact that Gohan has a "Rage" inside him might be due to the fact that Goku had relations with Chi-Chi, an earthling and Goku's body knew he has all this hidden power just waiting to be unlocked at some point through various levels of time and training so all that latent potential got sent to Gohan. As for Goten, since Goku clearly had the ability to go Super Saiyan whenever Goten was conceived, Goten should have a greater potential than Gohan seeing as how Goku wasn't nearly as strong before Gohan was born and at the conception of Goten Goku was a lot stronger ( a lot being an understatement), so this is why I think Goten has the ability to transform into a Super Saiyan much easier than anyone else including Kid Trunks, even he looked like he struggled with the transformation the first time we see him use it in the Gravity Room w/ Vegeta. I don't think Kid Trunks has the same potential as Goten because I'm not sure as to when Vegeta got his Super Saiyan upgrade during the 3 year training for the Androids. I also think that Gotenks unlocked Super Saiyan 3 faster because of Goten's potential. As a side note, I think the training Goten and Kid Trunks did in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber was just about non-existent. They don't appear to be any stronger than before they went in except for Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. The individual boys don't look like they got any stronger, how can that be? I know that the Fusion Dance increases the amount of power each person has but I can believe that Gotenks can go regular Super Saiyan but not 3. Maybe Goten and Kid Trunks only trained while Fused and that's why the 2 didn't become any stronger individually. At this point in DBS they definitely need a power up, it's time. Please comment and discuss. Thanks all!
@Jeffjutzu
Жыл бұрын
Loving it man, You have great content!
@domenic1778
Жыл бұрын
imagine Evil future Goten with a bandana like bardock ... ufffffff im in love
@Travis7060312
Жыл бұрын
you hit the algorithm lol. I subbed and watched all your old videos. Was sad there weren't more
@AnotherSWnerd
Жыл бұрын
Full power ssj3 gotenks would obliterate cell max ngl Thank you for making this video. I see you brought up the exact point I made in one of my comments on geekdoms recent videos.
@CaptinnCatt24
Жыл бұрын
999 but then I subbed now turned 1k, Aye Congrats on reach 1k bro you deserve it
@6MrCollins
Жыл бұрын
It would be dope if Super somehow used them to introduce SSJ4 to the main canon
@ImNotSoLegit
Жыл бұрын
Anyone that reads the super manga knows that we wont be getting goten/trunks stories for potentially quite awhile. But the ones coming down the pipeline are fantastic. Gas/Granolah is some of the best story/action they've had in some time imo.
@xhale671
Жыл бұрын
From what I understood You said that Goten and Trunks are at Perfect Cell level cuz they were able to keep up with android 18 in the Z part?
@MegaMachiOnline
Жыл бұрын
When you do the Fusion wrong, you just get a poor body to utilize the power correctly-as we must recall Piccolo notes Fat Buu acquired a better body for fighting when becoming Super Buu. Fat Gotenks essentially has trash stamina (his body can hardly contain its power hence struggles going ssj), stubby limbs (Kid Goku vs Roshi / Cell vs Trunks logic) and a very easy to bruise figure (lack of harness), which would all drop his accessible power significantly. In interviews, the default Fusion is not only greater the sum of its parts (when all else fails + piccolo did not know gotenks could transform after fusion & the boys only after training are aware of their ssj3 rights unlike their battle genius fathers), but the Dance specifically is designed for battle, with Fusion also being meant to surpass Super Saiyans hence why Gogeta is the novel is so strong in base that Ss Broly had to hone his power and technique more to catch up to him and make him transform. It’s no wonder why Freeza finds fusion unfair and how Kibito Kai prior to wasting all his energy teleporting felt like he could join the fight against Super Buu/Buutenks. (Kibito Kai only getting dissed because he’d get absorbed while being weaker than Gohan & Goku) Quick note: Goku didn’t expect Vegeta to go SS2 but agreed they could beat Dabura, whom Gohan needed SS2 to fight yet was still stronger than Piccolo in base without real training over 5 years since Buu Arc… and Shin was as strong as Cell Saga Goku (like Cell Saga Gohan was cracked)
@deadsagelife
Жыл бұрын
one note for gotenks the second time goku showed ss3 was filler they only ever sensed it against boo
@michaelw5456
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if they translated that right for the training segment in the gravity room. Vegeta saying 150x earth's gravity. That's insane considering Goku maxed out at 100x before going SSJ. Kinda nuts.
@jelloistasty
Жыл бұрын
You completely overlooked the Yo! son Goku and Friends return! Special. That's still canon and takes place during super, in it Trunks and Goten struggled with first form frieza level villains.
@AtenSol12
Жыл бұрын
Quite well made video
@jirehrodriguezgarcia4971
Жыл бұрын
DUDE THE MUSIC YOU USED FROM BUDOKAI 1 I LOVE YOU ARE A GOAT
@lighthousemaccabee8133
Жыл бұрын
That's a clutch episode i dont remember trunks in the training room with vegeta
@R0iT
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s cool the Cell It’s live with 17 that actually adorable 🥹
@AlienExorcist
Жыл бұрын
I always thought of Goten's early access to Super Saiyan as Goten being conceived while Goku was in his Super Saiyan form when him and Gohan were attempting everyday life as super saiyans.
@madsensei864
Жыл бұрын
man c17 on some john wick level shit, having 7 cell jr assassins on his island
@Rude_Boi
Жыл бұрын
I thought this channel had more subs at first. Very well presented video, man.
@joshuahamill4924
Жыл бұрын
There is one fact you left out after Gohan trained with Goku in the time chamber he hits super saiyan 2 for a bring few seconds which surprised Goku. Than during the fight with Cell Gohan was pushed by cell and brought out super saiyan 2. Than after cell comes back from blowing himself and Goku and King Kais planet Gohan turns back into Super saiyan 2 again with ease. Which means he mastered super saiyan 2 during his fight with cell becoming stronger than perfect cell form.
@springomo
Жыл бұрын
that doesn’t mean he necessarily mastered it, he mastered the ability to transform into it but utilizing it to its full potential for long amounts of time, not even close
@dbzfan6900
Жыл бұрын
I think that was filler
@springomo
Жыл бұрын
@@dbzfan6900 no, it’s canon
@dbzfan6900
Жыл бұрын
@@springomo ok 👍
@DerpySnek
Жыл бұрын
Best Tag Team... Gohan & Piccolo Goku & Vegeta Kale & Caulifla Yamcha & Saibaman
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
💀💀💀
@JerseyDevils21
Жыл бұрын
Foul 💀💀
@VestedUTuber
Жыл бұрын
5:05 - Just want to comment on the music... would be nice if you used the original song that the Budokai 3 Namek Theme ripped off at some time in another video as a sort of homage. It's called "Hunting High and Low" and it's by the band Stratovarius.
@demeal
Жыл бұрын
in the last episode of dbz(which takes place after super) they joke that goten loses to pan in the tournament, except that his previous opponent was none other than BUU
@benjaminbarraza8972
Жыл бұрын
I think the Cell MAX feat was more about Gamma's strenght and Fat Gotenks durability
@jadenvo7420
Жыл бұрын
I wanna see in the future a goten and pan duo
@KeVee7
Жыл бұрын
I subscribed immediately u seem to know what you’re talking about and Goten my fav character🔥 dope vid bro keep up the great work✊🏾
@civicboi_2419
Жыл бұрын
This acc is seriously underrated
@SuperJibulus
Жыл бұрын
I seen a “best possible universe 7 TOP team post” but a comment on it got me thinking. What if Buu absorbed the team to win the TOP? Meaning what if Buu absorbed: - MUI Goku - UE Vegeta - Beast Gohan - Orange Piccolo - Black Freiza - Android 17 - Broly How would this even be power scalable?
@austinfrye3389
Жыл бұрын
Cell juniors live on? We need an episode with them to scare Goku or Gohan when they visit the island
@akiraasmr3002
Жыл бұрын
I just bought a DBS Super Hero Teen Trunks Figure I like his Blue Haired Teen Design
@evelynlamoy8483
Жыл бұрын
They are one of those sets of characters just bellow the god level powers. So moving forward they'd need a comparable power of their own. I think a fun solution to that might be, to let them unlock SSJ god Red and Blue, and no greater god powers like Ultra Ego or Ultra Instinct. And they only really get on par with those, Piccolo Orange, and Beast Gohan when they fuse. My initial thought was that they could mix red and blue while fused to but they may also be able to unlock Blue Evolution if they stack blue form. This would put them squarely in the relevant circle, but wouldn't let them outshine their dads.
@WXSTANG
Жыл бұрын
Gotanks hitting cell max on the head was a physical strike, not an energy strike like Piccolo did.
@DomDomPop
Жыл бұрын
The fact that Trunks, Vegeta’s first son, and Goten, Goku’s second son, are so powerful as kids and able to go Super Saiyan makes it seem like it doesn’t have anything to do with birth order or even training methods, given that Goten’s training is decidedly less strenuous than Trunks’. It seems to me that the strength of the child is proportional to the strength of the parents at time of conception. Think about it: when Gohan is born, he quickly outstrips child Goku in power, but is still of lower power than adult Goku at that time. The kids conceived during/after the Cell Saga are conceived by parents who can already go Super Saiyan (so the kids’ S Cells are already stimulated) and much more rapidly outstrip even Android Saga Goku and Vegeta (but are weaker than their parents at the time). To me, this makes total sense from a Saiyan biology perspective. For a race of warriors, having children of strong warriors be able to reach the same strength their parents were when they conceived them is a huge evolutionary advantage. Those children, in turn, will have children of their own who can rapidly gain massive strength. It’s probably how the Vegeta lineage managed to consistently remain the strongest family on the planet, and why it was so important for King Vegeta to exile someone like Broly, whose mutation could have rapidly spiraled out of control if his family line was allowed to continue. Paragus might be loyal, Broly might be raised to be a great and loyal asset to the crown, but somewhere down the line, they’d challenge the Vegeta family and nobody would be able to stand up to them. Videl, even with ¼ Saiyan blood, is going to be an absolute monster.
@vincentshadetree
Жыл бұрын
I wish Marron had some battle training. It'd be cool to have her, Pan, Goten and Trunks all be a small team. If they stick with Bulla being like her GT counterpart then she wouldn't be a fighter, but if they changed that then include her and you'd have a cool team of new heroes alongside Uub ❤😎
@EgglesonEdits
Жыл бұрын
I thought the whole thing with the fat failed fusion is that it weighs a tonne and thats why they cracked him
@khoatic414
Жыл бұрын
I ma Be serious, not only is goten and trunks some of my fav characters (Purely because idk, I just like them) but they have some of the most balanced power scaling, cause goku,vegeta, and frieza is just getting the most insane power boosts, gohan is falling off and coming back up, andrioid 17 is straight up bs, and broly has someone of the most insane battle potiental ever. Goten and Trunks are some of the only characters who stay consitent with their power levels
@NeCoruption
Жыл бұрын
Loved how gotenks was used like a volleyball to weaken cell
@bsou908
Жыл бұрын
New sub but I love the content man! Wishing the best for you, keep up the great work!
@KureaDiego
Жыл бұрын
They even get massive Zenkai boost after beat downs
@spittingame4241
Жыл бұрын
@0:14 But when Caulifla and Kale (TEENAGERS) fused together to become Kefla, people hated it but where was the same outrage when Trunks (8) and Goten (7) did the same thing?
@danielboden8795
Жыл бұрын
The first transformation into a super saiyan is as much about your emotional state as it is your physical, it’s still necessary to train as a combatant. Goten as a child probably feels his emotions a bit more than gohan and the other Saiyans, so when chi chi is training him, and bear in mind she’s still training him hard, she’s not soft on him, he’s able to tap into it because of the emotions, not his raw strength
@thedevilsleutice
Жыл бұрын
With my hopes of Super I think that with the manga expanding on super hero. I wouldn’t be surprised if every idea shown in the movie is developed into something bigger. Not just orange piccolo and beast Gohan. But perfect fusion Gotenks that would probably have at least ssg or blue since that form is probably left so far in the dust by evolution, Ego, Ultra instinct, Beast, and piccolos orange form, that a stronger Gotenks with blue or god reaching up there could be a lot of fun. It would give all the saiyan cast relevance. Hell if you want we can give Trunks his sword training and have Gotenks with a sword.
@brucesong2648
Жыл бұрын
Their power level would make for interesting fights as they would have to get more creative.
@cslack813
Жыл бұрын
Great video!! Subscribed!
@dhirajyeole3938
Жыл бұрын
Bro imagine if they fused perfectly
@Yoshiwaffle
Жыл бұрын
Subbed 🙏🏻
@WilliamWizer
Жыл бұрын
I would say that Trunks enduring vegeta's punch is one of his greatest archievements. Vegeta didn't hold on that yet trunks got nothing more than a bruise and a humbled ego. yes. the kids at ToP were above cell jr but I wouldn't put them above perfect cell. gohan 1 hit ko the seven cell jr but had a hard time against cell. even so, unfused they are on a similar level as Gohan SS2. that's quite power. I expect them to reach higher levels of power.
@tom_the_real_guy
Жыл бұрын
Trrunks: i refuse the go sonewhere else now will punch you in the face
@kevinX47
Жыл бұрын
Given them both super Saiyan 4 will be cool
@tieegg
Жыл бұрын
Now I want to measure each characters stats and label them all power.
@drixjoker
Жыл бұрын
17 and goku blue being on the dame level always disappoints me the entire tournament of power is silly yo me roshi able to fight people lol
@snek_yt
Жыл бұрын
so what youre saying is that a perfectly fused teen gotenks in base is an MUI level form. so super saiyan 3 teen gotenks would be able to give whis a serious challenge
@theinktician
Жыл бұрын
6:24 No. That put them AT Super Perfect Cell, not a "ways above him" since he could take them all on at once. Cell Jrs are like Perfect Cell, but not SUPER Perfect Cell, which was like SJJ2 Gohan, who oneshot each Cell Jr. I'd arge they're still below Super Perfect Cell
@iamlordapollo
Жыл бұрын
Wait... Why does present kid trunks know the masenko? He never trained with Gohan or piccolo. Or did his future self teach him during the Goku black arc?
@slightlygone
Жыл бұрын
This was awesome. You got a like and a fallow from me 👍🏼
@cjsdizzy
Жыл бұрын
Really good stuff 🤘
@meowco69
5 ай бұрын
Who hear was hoping to see actualized Gotenks in the last film?
@Stasis_lmao
Жыл бұрын
Those Cell jr's were stated to be trained by a 17 that is in the manga ssj3-ssjg levels of power. do with that as you will
@kleber_felinto
Жыл бұрын
17 in the t.o.p manga is around golden frieza, on chapter 40 jiren was landing a punch to defeat golden frieza and 17 blocked that, then jiren put even more strength on his arm and pushed both away, but 17 still had enough reaction time, speed and strength to save golden frieza and himself before falling outside the ring.
@kleber_felinto
Жыл бұрын
17 was holding back in the fight against ss3, when he got serious and charged that energy ball, goku got scared and revealed himself ending the fight, dende even explained to goku that 17 would be a problem for him if he was a villain, and we saw in the black saga that trunks was ss3 goku level, but he was easily defeated by one kick of ssg goku. So if 17 was only SS3 level he wouldn't give any problem to ssg let alone be a problem to ssb goku, goku also said to beerus after t.o.p on chapter 42, that 17 is as strong as them (goku and vegeta) despite not training much.
@The2345jay
Жыл бұрын
is no one gonna comment on how vegeta is concerned after he straight up decked Trunks in the face and how he feels sorry for it
@kevinyu5996
21 күн бұрын
they gonna be next gamma 1 gamma 2
@GTTheSignifier
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@benbriefs798
Жыл бұрын
Potential doesn't equal Overall Power! You can have all the potential you want, but if you don't apply yourself you ain't getting shit
@jaronbrowning6871
Жыл бұрын
Goten and trunks should join the galactic patrol
@titian_tyson
Жыл бұрын
Bruh I didn't know the cell Jrs were still alive
@nellyomega8866
Жыл бұрын
My head canon is Goten and Trunks where born with super saijan naturally because, so they never learnt the transformation they just always had it naturally, and thought it was something normal
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
Thats a good theory actually, maybe something changes after they go SSJ and it passes on to the kids
@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24
8 ай бұрын
With all this god ki stuff I highly doubt goten and trunks will close the gap even when fused. Also I think all that “potential” they had went away once they weren’t kids anymore or in supers case when they introduced god ki. Also people need to remember that the reason goten and trunks were so strong is because they fought and trained regularly for years amongst themselves so they were just born with all this power
@Kachentite
Жыл бұрын
Great thumbnail but gohan nd piccolo is the undisputed best duo
@shad3115
Жыл бұрын
So we’ve learned that the power levels of characters still make no sense.
@kylemarkloff4451
Жыл бұрын
Why does piccolo have a gun in the beginning?
@aelelrjamot
Жыл бұрын
I hope goten and trunks find some reason to train with piccolo or goku kinda like how I wish for a gohan and vegeta training
@proxy90909
Жыл бұрын
I just want to point out that wasnt Piccolo Golden form that was hes potential unleashed, its still crazy to think SSB lvl of power (like the gammas) was not able to hurt Cell Max but Gamma 1 throwing Failed Gotenks was. On this circumstances tho we could speculate that as cell max seems to be missing regenerative properties all the previous atks harmed cell max in someway prior to the hit, also Failed gotenks might be disproportionately resistant instead of powerful as the fusion is "un-even" but thats baseless speculation
@sebagomez4647
Жыл бұрын
I think he was just vulnerable to physical attacks in that place specifically
@tastedivinefury2198
Жыл бұрын
Gamma 2 is certainly not ui lvl when max is debatably around broly 🗿
@LemonDKing
Жыл бұрын
If you think about gotenks with this it's clear that when goten and trunks are in their prime gotenks will be most likely more powerful than Goku UI so well... HOLY SH-
@MonkeMane
Жыл бұрын
If chichi trained gohan for 1 day in the cell saga he wouldnt have needed super sayian 2
@bryguy7428
Жыл бұрын
So you’re telling me these 8 year old kids are planet busters
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
Probably Solar System at least as Cell was Solar System level right?
@davidsuper773
Жыл бұрын
I believe they scale higher than 18 not 17
@attackins1470
Жыл бұрын
I honestly don't understand how people skip this one simple concept. Goten and Trunks are stronger naturally because of the strength of their fathers when they were conceived. We see it with elite saiyans being generally stronger *from birth* than next to all other saiyans, so why wouldn't it apply here? That with hybrid potential fully explains Goten and atrunks being so strong so young, and easily explains their early access to Super Saiyan. We know that Vegeta was at least catching up to Goku when he conceived Trunks, though he wasn't a Super Saiyan yet, so it makes sense that Trunks might be a little bit weaker than Goten if they were the same age. Whether this is the intended explanation from Toriyama or not doesn't matter, as it makes sense in canon either way. No offense, but I'm just a little annoyed at how so many DB youtubers somehow miss this glaringly obvious fact.
@lordraiden7397
Жыл бұрын
Great video
@Lord-Lord-Lord-Lord-Lord
Жыл бұрын
Whats the song name at 5:05?
@goingold1855
Жыл бұрын
i liked that you put the clip in there but you still only mentioned that he only trained with chichi! even though it was offscreen he did mention that him and trunks spar!
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was a good point that I overlooked but I think the effect is still the same. Neither him nor Trunks knew how to go SSJ so even training together they still didnt have the advantages that Gohan did
@goingold1855
Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetLevelDB i mean none of them really knew how to go SSJ in Z it just happened ykno! and i wouldnt be suprised if trunks was the one who figured it out first thanks to watching vegeta ! IRL kids pick up things EXTREMLY quick just from observation. not to mention the fact that im sure he even spars with vegeta. when they were training in the high gravity i dont remember exactly but it was at 300 wasnt it? and he said its 150 more than usual! and it made me think!.. how much was it when yamcha almost died trying it out? and i love this video too btw i always felt they had more if not the same potential than gohan
@dedahvsjihad6790
Жыл бұрын
Gotenks In More Utra Ego Or Beast Mode Type Than Ultra Instinct
@Ntwadumela89
Жыл бұрын
I got a problem with earth scientists creating an synthetic android that is on par in power to a god form on the Divine level as UI!…
@PlanetLevelDB
Жыл бұрын
I think its strange but also probably have to accept it if we also want to have Humans like Krillin be relevant ever again, same logic
@mistypeek3581
Жыл бұрын
Maybe a stronger saiyan produces stronger offspring having more potential at early ages
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