sure I went 0/9 but have you seen my vision score?
@neochrzeo8561
2 жыл бұрын
True support humblebragging.
@PaterSou69
2 жыл бұрын
Noob I have more vision score than u. Git gud scrub
@FlashAF
2 жыл бұрын
*I'm Impressed* You're the 1st one to achieve a negative digit Vision score 👏
@morozko7488
2 жыл бұрын
if you're 0/9/20 tank supp that's fine I think
@thenameless24
2 жыл бұрын
Sure I'm 0/15/7 but gotdam my vision score was 100 at 35 min game end I am the all seeing support that feeds
@matthiasvolland7047
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that only these 3 abilities generate Vision score may be connected to being the only abilities that give you an assist when they reveal an enemy.
@eckhart5443
2 жыл бұрын
What. 11 years of league and I didn't know you get an assist with those
@Razz_Putitin
2 жыл бұрын
@@eckhart5443 Ashe E explicitly only gives assists if the target was out of vision, even for a second as far as I know.
@Ceracio
2 жыл бұрын
They can also give "assists" to towers. If your Hawkshot reveals an enemy champion who then gets executed, it awards you the kill, including kill gold and shutdown bounties. Same goes for Janna E on turrets, funnily enough, though the fact that you can shield turrets as Janna is a barely known mechanic, in and as of itself.
@kidtytus3014
2 жыл бұрын
Tf ult??
@sushitime9496
2 жыл бұрын
Quinn W doesn't give assist though
@blackmagick77
2 жыл бұрын
Love how in depth it is
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Was a little scared to put out a video like this
@blackmagick77
2 жыл бұрын
@@BCawk Understandable, sometimes people get turned off by stuff like that. Most supports I know are very calculated though and would also like this.
@sirrismendozasunlessrealms5775
2 жыл бұрын
Momma always to me that, whatever I chose to be in life, I had to be the best at it.
@ZombieKiller4347
2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how the ability called Vision of Empire gives no vision score
@weltsiebenhundert
2 жыл бұрын
nice pun/joke
@alienswarm1087
2 жыл бұрын
Lee sin’s ability cripple doesn’t affect the enemy with cripple like fiora w does
@throwscats
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I was going to say you should've checked Lux's E, since that one just gives literal vision of a pretty sizable area for as long as it doesn't explode--but then when you said Swain's eye didn't give vision score it made me think Lux's E probably is in the same boat. Thanks for this video, by the way, good info.
@desechablemia8733
2 жыл бұрын
Same with traps that give vision but no vision score like teemos r or jhins e
@shieldgenerator7
2 жыл бұрын
its bizarre that Swain's eye doesnt give vision score. maybe a bug?
@PixelRory
2 жыл бұрын
The pride I feel when I play fiddle and get a higher vision score than both supports, sometimes combined is something you don't understand
@cyrene03
2 жыл бұрын
this is hella interesting to watch as a support main i had a vision score of 120 as Umbral+zombie wards Pantheon last week. denying so much wards felt so good
@happycamperds9917
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, Umbral definitely explains why he gets so much VS. He and Pantheon are the only supports who can really use Umbral.
@Nudgarrobot
2 жыл бұрын
@@happycamperds9917 Disagree! They're nonstandard as far as support goes, but ADC-styled supports work very excellently for this. Senna is a close to standard option if you want to try this with a slightly more traditional support. I commonly run support Kindred and support Quinn. Both of these picks are intended as roaming supports, as their ganks are fairly impactful, but more than that, as vision-denying scouts. For both picks, rushing Umbral as first item is your top priority. Zombie ward is mandatory, and either Ingenious or Relentless Hunter are both excellent options-- Ingenious gives you more wards and vision denial, Relentless gives you stronger roams. For Kindred, you have the upshot of being able to pretty significantly help your jungler without losing very much for it. For those who may not know, you don't need to ever take kills to proc her passive marks, which means that helping your jungler take crabs gives you marks, while they still get the benefits. I often take smite on laning or support Kindred for this reason, as it essentially guarantees double crab as long as you have prio-- If you scout the other jungler out of position for a contesting crabs, your jungler can take one with smite, and you can break the second one's shield with smite so they can immediately take it. Alternatively, you can take the second crab cross map from your jungler at the same timing so that you guarantee the deny on it from the enemy, or use smite to give crab to your ADC for the same reason. And so on and so forth. Quinn's roaming potential is a little lower until you hit 6, but her W is incredibly useful for checking areas and ensuring safe engagements early before your more powerful vision tools are online especially. In lane, her blind makes for a strong trading tool into the enemy ADCs (As long as they're traditional ADCs, she struggles a little more against mage carries since they can usually respond better) and her E can help you peel yourself and your ADC, or set up for ganks when you start roaming, and boy can her ganks be impactful. Both of these picks become very oppressive after getting Umbral online, as their strong roam potential allows them to sweep the map of wards pretty quickly. In a weird way, Kindred is a little better for this in some respects, as I've found with Quinn, the fact that you have to drop out of ult to hit the wards is a little awkward at times. I don't think I need to explain much further, it's already a bit of a wall of text. It's definitely a different playstyle and mindset than many supports, but I encourage you to give it a shot sometime if you think it sounds fun
@CedricatorftPitchit
2 жыл бұрын
What u forgot to test are the spells that act like wards. Notably zyra W and nida W. Maybe also pets like heimer's, tibbers ? Anyway as an ashe player with full cdr + max e second, i was persuaded that spells gave nothing, since i wouldnt get notably more vision score than other ranged immobile supp, and always way less than god warders (nida pyke bard etc). But thanks to you i now know that it does but very little x) thanks for the video and all of ur work , ur channel is awesome !
@gasoline9666
2 жыл бұрын
pretty sure they act like Caitlyn W, which he did test
@badgoogle4509
2 жыл бұрын
hopped on practice tool, Teemo R does not grant vision score for sitting next to dummies or objectives nor does it for detonating on enemies or objectives
@phantom8699
2 жыл бұрын
They tested cait w???
@kilsekure
2 жыл бұрын
@@phantom8699 yes
@Fireballun
2 жыл бұрын
@@badgoogle4509 ye manco whines about it sometimes xd
@vic6755
2 жыл бұрын
you just answered a life long question in 10 minutes you sir, earned this sub
@seniorgir
2 жыл бұрын
traps would be an interesting mechanic to test. maokai sapling and shaco trap are both abilities that make those champs "useful" supports, and it would be interesting if they count toward VS
@gabecarrick
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure maokai saplings contribute
@seosan9708
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Nocturne's R used to give Wd or denied vision score at one point. There was ARURF and a vision quest at the time, and simply told him try to fish for Nocturne. 0 wards placed 150+ vision score every time. My theory out of this is, it might have been bugfixed or patched out at some point.
@ZhoomTheCool
2 жыл бұрын
it worked a few patches ago, it gives 10 vision score per enemy that u affect by your ult, thats how i still do those vision quests
@soccerdude9784
2 жыл бұрын
What does still exist is Nocturne consistently getting 250 CC score because of ult xD
@zidaryn
2 жыл бұрын
Neat
@quixcover
2 жыл бұрын
Might not work on test dummies.
@imsorrythankyouplease7613
2 жыл бұрын
I would have guessed the enemy needs wards to effect.
@prunersbro
2 жыл бұрын
knowledge is power mah boi, thx for this
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment homie. Hope this helped clear some things up :P
@pedroklayn6434
2 жыл бұрын
Plays top against Zac jg Places pink in the bush behind the 1st tower Refuses to elaborate Leaves
@ChickenCast100
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding vision I think it also takes into account how many times it spots enemy champions into account
@nicolinrucker5181
2 жыл бұрын
As a supp main who keeps getting sad that enemy supps have half or less my vision score... Thanks for this vid and I'm now subbed.
@okdarius
2 жыл бұрын
Really great content man, I can tell this channel will eventually skyrocket soon.
@zozihn8047
2 жыл бұрын
This is super interesting. Maybe a week ago a friend and I were discussing support and I asked gow Vision Score is determined and they had no idea. Now we both have an answer. I would love to see more videos like this.
@MagusGenji
2 жыл бұрын
Great video and great effort!! The only relevant thing you forget was teemo R and the nocturne R with enemy wards active (they became disable during the R duration). Anyway, great job, tnx!!
@Hail_Fire
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I'm starting the edits within the wiki community now
@Hail_Fire
2 жыл бұрын
And the edits are live. Again thank you for the deligent testing
@zidaryn
2 жыл бұрын
Neat. I intuitively guessed that some of this stuff contributed. Thanks for explaining the details of how it works. Never would have guessed on some of it.
@constantinarthaud9956
2 жыл бұрын
I had always wondered how wards work Thanks man!!
@Ravill
2 жыл бұрын
what a coincidence. i was curious about how to get more vision score when i saw "get 35 or more vision score" mission. and i was recommended a fresh video about it today on youtube. incredible
@medch7816
2 жыл бұрын
I mean i didn't catch up all of it , but thanks so much i mean personally I wouldn't search for such a thing but that seems like it gonna help improving my VisionControl off course . A really enjoyable , informative and different type of a video . All love and support ; keep it up you'll shine very soon buddy
@benedictosvaldo
2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed these in-depth game mechanics! Keep it up!
@alexanderfrench9236
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely appreciate and love you for the effort that went into this one
@jickhertz4124
2 жыл бұрын
Loved the vid! I like that you actually tested what the wiki said instead of just reading it!
@AWOOGO
2 жыл бұрын
Was super interesting! I always thought you got more vision score for "detecting" enemies around your ward
@normiediot5723
2 жыл бұрын
very informative bro goodjob very unique content 2 10/9
@Rymus_
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Vision is important, but if you place them not at the right time at the right spot (like place a ward in dragon pit while drake has still 4mins to show up) then it has nothing to say. Place them right at the right time. Vision is for everything in your team helpful as long they are good placed
@danielclarke7975
2 жыл бұрын
My guy loved the content, have you thought about doing a video on cc score? Could be a nice sequel
@lebromineoka1078
2 жыл бұрын
Bro il support main too and I was damn tryin to understand this Just thanks you Keep going this kind of topic
@Firemane42
2 жыл бұрын
Hey there! I had a couple vision score questions I think you might be able to answer: Who gets how much vision score when a support reveals a ward, but has the ADC kill the ward? Similarly, at the end-of-game "Wards Destroyed" total, who gets credit for those destroyed wards? The support? ADC? Both?
@geraltofnivea1434
2 жыл бұрын
Vision score is calculated by takedowns on enemy wards, so you and adc get the same vision score if you both hit it.
@baronvonbifrost7151
2 жыл бұрын
I didn not have the faith to read through all comments, so maybe it's been asked already (I've checked the top ones to be sure but you never know) : How about Horizon Focus ? It gives true sight of the champions hit iirc. Anyway, great video ! As a supp main I'm glad to see the mechanics I already kinda knew put into numbers, so it's clearer wher my score comes from !
@ImaSkillissue
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for how depth it is
@YOiSiNFUl
2 жыл бұрын
Great video and maybe there's a weird part of the equation with abilities like Aphelios R where you get no vision score if you combat tag persists, also missed out of other traps besides Caitlyns like Temo, Nid, Zyra, Jhin, or abilities that let you scout like Pyke W or Twitch Q
@bradymoorehead8901
2 жыл бұрын
I want you to know that your videos are so great to see, and just so educational thanks and keep it up
@RyokuWeil
2 жыл бұрын
you're sick, that was awesome :D
@AustiuNoMatterWho
2 жыл бұрын
you put in so much work and did such a great presentation, here's a sub!
@ajhintleman215
2 жыл бұрын
I swear Teemo's Shrooms (and possibly other champs with invisible, destroyable, ward-like traps), give vision score...I always end up with a very solid score on Teemo, after all. Idk, might be wrong about that, but you didn't get to that section of abilities, so I might have to test in-game.
@geraltofnivea1434
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about gaining with shrooms but I can tell with certainty you don't get vision score by clearing teemo shrooms.
@redboxy9037
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the effort that was put into the research for this video.
@alvin41712
2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised T.F. ulti don't give vision score, the first part of his ulti is only for reveal enemies.
@jeremyloldrup7997
2 жыл бұрын
Just found this video and i must say your voice is amazing and for that you're getting a sub. (Edit: your video is also amazing fyi)
@tylerkelley-best1045
2 жыл бұрын
This man put so much effort into this he deserves alot more views and appreciation
@clippyland
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing quality. You put in a lot of effort
@wego5930
2 жыл бұрын
I am officially subbed now. Keep up the awesome content!
@nki9704
2 жыл бұрын
just liked cuz of the creative thumbnail
@pcrestarting8896
2 жыл бұрын
Teemo R gives vision score that's why I love playing him support, because of the vision score and nothing else
@TheAzorg
2 жыл бұрын
I thought it gave points by spotting enemies and destroyig enemy wards, 1 for each instance. It's good to know it gives points based on time aswell.
@gzeca4888
2 жыл бұрын
this will go viral.
@paulnathanmeneses9491
2 жыл бұрын
I WOULD RECOMMEND MY FRIENDS TO WATCH THIS
@bartbroekie4295
2 жыл бұрын
Great guide man!!!
@Tiogar60
2 жыл бұрын
Fiddle's wards are really odd when it comes to vision score. I get sooo much every time i play
@rhiilo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing those informations, great video you worked well ! thumbs up here !
@rogeriomacedorodrigues2324
2 жыл бұрын
Man... what a fantastic video about vision. Geez... I never saw something NEAR to this content. It should be Riot Official
@Snoui
2 жыл бұрын
nearsighted doesn't count to vision score, but it does for cc score! That's why noct usually has crazy high CC scores
@enricotucci
2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if Lux W added to vision score, (her E probably doesn't because it deals damage) but i'll check it out in practice tool, very good vid btw !
@ozmcsween
2 жыл бұрын
There used to be a tooltip on what would give you vision score but they’ve slowly removed the actual useful tool tips
@davidbell4768
2 жыл бұрын
Really well presented and informative video mate well done. Now can we have the video on best places to place wards early mid and late game. Thanks.
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Not a bad idea, I'll look into it thanks for checking it out!
@cobi617
2 жыл бұрын
wow well done with the vid!
@olle1153
2 жыл бұрын
How did KZitem know I didn’t know this even tho I’ve been playing since season 1???
@johnysimps1191
2 жыл бұрын
I applaud the hustle
@skipp3252
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there is ways to improve this vision score system to more reflect the actual value of the vision given/denied. Most things seem pretty good as they are but for instance the mechanic of wards being worth more if they are further away from your base is kinda silly. It probably tries to promote deep wards over defensive ones but that isnt always better. Imo some of the most important vision to get is the one in your own jungle when your team is significantly behind trying to get to an objective on the map. Also wards that dont see anything over their lifetime can still be incredibly valuable as they tell you where the enemies are not right now. Which by process of elimination is almost as good as seeing them
@geraltofnivea1434
2 жыл бұрын
You could ask enemy supp to inflate your vision score by letting you kill wards next to his nexus with umbral glaive
@darthluk7512
2 жыл бұрын
I am pretry sure that something in the train room is wrong on the nocturne ult- vision score, because in general my noct jungle vision score is about double if not even tripple or quadruple as high as my other junglers (depending on lenght of the game betwenn 100 and 350 vision score). Maybe it has somerhing to do with wards, like you "disable" wards for the time of your ult and get a similar score to destroying these
@bitingtiger1956
2 жыл бұрын
What about kai’sa’s W (void seeker) though? It grants sight in its trajectory and reveals them on hit?
@Nazuiko
2 жыл бұрын
Presumably same as Rek'sai's Prey Seeker. Its a poke tool that supplements her passive/Ult and AP Kaisa's burst. Its not for the vision.
@level20art50
2 жыл бұрын
I really do think that Swain W should give vision score. I mean, it's literally called VISION of Empire!
@pedrochagas9903
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work put on this video man, congrats
@bakaky0
2 жыл бұрын
Teemo shrooms and shaco boxes should definitely give ward score
@buneter
2 жыл бұрын
I hate that it only counts if it sees someone. Knowing no champion is there can be just as useful as seeing a champion there depending on the situation
@Lotloxa
Жыл бұрын
This was a lovely video and it seems to hold up well! Good job~ Have a comment
@BCawk
Жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly 🥰
@Murzak-
2 жыл бұрын
good video, i have had this exact question multiple times. thx youtube agorithm for showing me! And thx for the good content!
@Azzapp
2 жыл бұрын
This is why I get 200 vision score per hour, insider info 👍
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
300IQ and 200 vision score??? Azzapp OP
@TooKorky
2 жыл бұрын
Im 100% sure noc ult gives you vision score, they always end up with insane amounts unless they changed it recently. maybe its because he also denies wards vision though
@yannicksager8940
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same, but it's actually CC Score. Nocturnes get ridiculous amounts of CC Score due to their ults.
@smackheadsgyro
2 жыл бұрын
this is a very very good video
@electricspirit3600
2 жыл бұрын
Note stealth wards last longer as your level goes up.
@hussamhh5119
2 жыл бұрын
what about shaco boxes and teemo mushrom ?
@MrGameV
2 жыл бұрын
I'll need to watch this twice to understand
@Catatatatata
2 жыл бұрын
where maokai
@hieronymusnervig8712
2 жыл бұрын
Did you try Nida traps? I'd say they're very vision centric. Maybe along Teemo shrooms and Jhin E.
@brandnewontheinternet9024
2 жыл бұрын
As a fellow pyke main I agree that I have no fucking idea how vision score works. All I know is I clear wards, put my own and end up with more vision score than both team's junglers combined
@Nidjjcxhi
2 жыл бұрын
Insane you tested this! Still gonna spam my wards before recall tho 😂. Did you also check the horizon focus item? Curious about this one too!
@heidtb6746
2 жыл бұрын
Paranoia (Nocturne R) may not contribute to Vision Score, but did you know that it adds to the Crowd Control Score?
@strawl9528
2 жыл бұрын
Ah I am only hurting myself if I don't get zombie or poro wards.
@benf262
2 жыл бұрын
I believe noc r counts as cc, maybe a dive into that would net more info
@LeadAHorseToVodka
2 жыл бұрын
curious to see how traps come into this since you didn't mention them. Traps give vision just being there but also give vision when you walk over them like Jhin W, Nid Trap, Cait trap etc.
@KnownRed
2 жыл бұрын
Cait trap was part of the 0 Vision group he brute forced at the start. Not to say its the same for all traps but we do know at least that one
@ocramfeather756
Ай бұрын
I'd die to get more vision score. Just hitted my most vision score per hour yesterday: 244, feeling proud lmao
@twolemony8284
2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff - thank you!
@fan8706
2 жыл бұрын
Teemo are literally wards that does dots. Surprised.. but if cait traps doesn't give any it only goes to reason.
@ironmanbro
2 жыл бұрын
So I once swept out 2 wards, left the last hits to my team for the gold sharing, but all 3 of us had 1 ward score at the end of it. (Was a lvl 1 invade)
@luminescentlion
2 жыл бұрын
Kaisa W has text that describes it as giving vision right?
@mehdielkamch9257
2 жыл бұрын
amazing and very interesting video!!!
@Wikwil
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I had no idea that this mechanic is so deep. I feel bad for not knowing that despite maining support lul
@krebs369
2 жыл бұрын
the item "Horizon Focus" give vision too
@everything-has-a-handle-now
2 жыл бұрын
So where do I place my wards for the best score?
@ersikaQT
2 жыл бұрын
Comment for the algorithm. I thought this was a great video 💜
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ersika, these comments don't go unnoticed I appreciate you!
@madwolf1201
2 жыл бұрын
i think enemy turrets also gives u vision score when u destroyed them (deny enemy vision) !
@NathanSMS26
2 жыл бұрын
For how complicated a system it is, it really does a bad job of rewarding useful vision and vision denial
@averagetoxic1490
2 жыл бұрын
thanks your affort
@paulnathanmeneses9491
2 жыл бұрын
Very useful thank u
@codyblackmon5320
2 жыл бұрын
what about teemo shrooms and shaco boxes? since those are "wards" with hit points
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