the problem with JJ he's a Star Wars fan doing Star Trek
@williammann6198
10 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Stuart! Why did they change the size of the ship? I also have a big problem with the inside of the ship. A beer brewery, really, are you kidding me? Giant beams with rivets! The whole inside of the ship looks retarded. Computer stations set up next to giant stainless steel beer vats! A laser fusion reactor, what the hell! You just know Gene Rodenberry is turning over in his grave.
@Trekyardswebseries
10 жыл бұрын
Oh I agree with you on all of your points.
@peccatumDei
8 жыл бұрын
+William Mann, Short answer: The size of the ship was changed so that the hanger deck could accommodate all those shuttles used to ferry the crew up...
@ciciro6
8 жыл бұрын
so you are aware then, that the tos enterprise engineering set was in fact a brewery.
@calvinrempel
8 жыл бұрын
And then in "into darkness", the design of the warp core (or whatever the jungle gym was that Kirk runs through) seemed really ridiculous and arbitrary. I really liked how the TV shows paid close attention to how things worked - even if much of it was pseudoscience and speculation. The one thing I do have to give JJ in terms of the ship design is the deflector dish: I really liked the way it merged what I always thought of as being goofy about the TOS deflector dish and the style of the deflector dishes TNG onwards. While I did like how the JJ Enterprise seemed futuristic again, I do wish that they would have held more firmly to the design logic and principles of the shows.
@lukewoodman9714
8 жыл бұрын
it was resized due to nero coming back to the past, they needed something more... like a 'hot rod' cruiser hence why the TOS enterprise is dwarfed by the new 'JJ' enterprise and as for how much i like it..... i like star ships like Voyager.
@christopherburkey3939
6 жыл бұрын
JJ killed two of my favorite franchises. Then Ryan Johnson pissed on star wars grave.
@TheCastellan
8 жыл бұрын
JJ prise is a Hollywood diva....top heavy, and emaciated everywhere. And don't get me started on the interiors.
@pdexBigTeacher
8 жыл бұрын
Agree completely. Abram's nacelle's fracked up the whole thing, including the nacelle struts and the spine-neck connecting the primary and secondary hulls. Let's not even get into how the bridge looks like an antiseptic rubber room, but the engineering section truly looks like the bowels of a 'garbage scow.'
@ussrepluse
8 жыл бұрын
My feeling about the JJ-prise is that the engine pylons look like they were drawn for a Trek parody cartoon. The hull pylon is too far aft on the secondary hull. And I HATE that transparent bridge. I also hate the bridge design altogether. Don't get me started on all the bright lights and the over use of white paint and shiny black flooring. There... I'm done. I have vented. I feel better now. Thanks for letting me get that out. Justin
@vetor0013
8 жыл бұрын
If Gabriel Koerner ENTERPRISE was used, it would have been a big success for both the movie and in merchandising. The problem is, Gabriel would have gotten the credit, and not some politicking Hollywood "silver spooned" butt kisser... G B Enterprise has excellent lines, and looks like a vessel, and not something that appeals to a 3 year old.
@cadensnyder195
6 жыл бұрын
4:22 Captain Foley, watch your language, there are children onboard! But seriously, I totally agree, the JJ-prise is a disgusting ship. No copious amounts of lens flare can save it. The original Enterprise from TOS looks really cool, and I like the clean look, but my favorite ship is probably the Enterprise-D. I know a lot of people say it hasn't aged well, but my god, is the scale breathtaking. The Ambassador-Class Prototype (the Probert one) is a bit better in my opinion, but it never appeared onscreen, so it doesn't count.
@FlamingoKicker
8 жыл бұрын
Someone is trying to compensate with the larger thicker girth of the nacelles on the JJ Abrams Enterprise.
@dakkarnemo7281
8 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% This is THE ship! The only change I would make is to make the dish blue like Enterprise-A, although having it backlit in blue is a great compromise. Otherwise, this is clearly the winner!!! I want the model!!!
@nucleargandhi2709
7 жыл бұрын
When they destroyed 1701 in Beyond, I was hoping for a redesign to bring back the better parts of TOS. Instead they just copied the design they already had (and probably made it bigger, because JJ). It was quite the disappointment.
@TheLenaweeTrekker
7 жыл бұрын
You Are the first person that I can remember that ever called the Enterprise a character, "and She is". The Enterprise always gives me goosebumps, except for J.J.'s version; there's nothing. No sense of awesomeness. No sense of wonder. Just Nothing.
@thefurrybastard1964
8 жыл бұрын
Jar Jar Abrams was not interested in Star Trek except as an application letter to direct Star Wars.
@KennyTew2
7 жыл бұрын
What happened to the nacels? They look absurd on the JJ Prise, big fat bloaters! I hate them so much.
@stevenjones2529
9 жыл бұрын
I agree with this video... The alt. universe falls apart quickly because of continuity. The reboot falls apart because of continuity in science and the haphazard way JJ threw it together.
@FXTRT-ec9lz
8 жыл бұрын
Yeah JJ trek sucks. his "Enterprise" sucks too.
@paulaburrows8660
7 жыл бұрын
I loved the original movie Enterprise. It was sad to see it go S.Trek 3. It's a relief when they trash the JJ Enterprise, which happens in every movie, awful design.
@TheHeretic2011
7 жыл бұрын
JJ Abrams screwed the pooch in the first few minutes of the movie by placing Kirk's pregnant mother giving birth on a ship near the Klingon Neutral zone when everyone knows he was born in RIVERSIDE IOWA. I consider the new movies as nothing more than poor quality fan fiction. I feel the same way about Disney Star Wars.
@rjay9663
7 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100%!! Everything is wrong with the JJprise. I also HATE the brewery inside the ship. It looks like a brewery. That ship along the other ships in his universe make no sense at all. Sorry, even the Kelvin and Franklin which are supposed to be from the prime universe don't follow canon.
@damooseman6807
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! So glad to know I'm not the only one who loves the designs of Star Trek ships... Of the original timeline... And hates the designs in the J. J. Abrams timeline. Though my favourite starship class is the Excelsior class, original, not the refit with the silly bumpers. I just think the Excelsior class is a beautiful mix of the classic straight lines aesthetic, and the Next Generation era curvy, sleeker designs. A nice midpoint in star fleet design between the original series/films and the Next Generation era ships.
@boydmerriman
6 жыл бұрын
What I never understood was how meticulous Abrams was with Star Wars, even down to using the original cameras and lenses as well as designed to as close to original set as he could. He even insisted on using all film rather than digital so he can copy the original Star Wars. YET.....he completely ignored and bashed Star Trek and made MOCKERY of the show! He did absolutely nothing to come close to the original. The actors won the day (and saved the movie) by doing what they could to be like the original actors. When the third film came out, (Beyond) I was so happy when they destroyed the ship, saying "CLIP HER WINGS!" (or something like that) and showed no mercy towards that ship! I just about cheered!
@nylesandrews
7 жыл бұрын
1.NCC-1701 ("TOS") 2.NCC-1701 Refit ("TMP") till ST:III:"TWOK"3.NCC-1701-A ST:IV TVH to ST VI:The Undiscovered Country.
@andreasjadelskyj8153
7 жыл бұрын
There is one very glaring problem with JJ's Enterprise, that should result in the whole ship loosing it's crew. The glaring weakness too many people, too close together, not enough compartmentalization, or bulkheads. The bulkheads, and compartments prevents the loss of the crew, as sections are automatically cut of from each other in case of an hull breach. One good placed shot on JJ' Enterprise, and the whole crew is gone. With that many people bunched together, and a second to react, who escapes...unfortunately...none!
@Mavairo
7 жыл бұрын
Far better looking than the Ipoderprise. Also don't insult hotrods. Hotrods are cool. Ipoderprises aren't. Hotrods are sexy, sleek, and low slung with a lovely rake. Ipoderprise is a bulbous, ugly stick beaten, Prius.
@Sennmut
7 жыл бұрын
Yup. The new version looks like a hallucination. The original is always the best!
@JohnPaulSaylor
9 жыл бұрын
I agree. JJprise is horrible. The Peter Gabriel version was waaaaaaaaay cooler. I remember back in the day when people thought that was the new design. It just pisses me off that the only way they saw fit to reboot Star Trek was to throw everything that came before in the trash.
@chuckford6910
6 жыл бұрын
... everything except ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’, you mean? ... the only show that occurred before the events of the film 😆 But, seriously, yeah. Totally agree.
@nelsonc6173
6 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Hated JJ's Enterprise! How he could ruin one of the most beautiful designs in ScFi history is beyond me! I mean the thing looks like it's gonna flop over itself because the ship is so disproportionate! Just really horrible design! Plus when he showed the engineering section the first thing that popped into my mind was not 'WOW", but what the fuck is a beer distillery doing on the enterprise???? I mean seriously??? WTF??? Your telling me they couldn't come up with enough money to create a new engineering designs?? They had to use a fuck'n beer distillery?? JJ ruined ST for me and he ruined SW for me...nice job JJ.
@Mudwyrm
7 жыл бұрын
I hate the JJ Verse Enterprise. I really have gotten very tired of Paramount and CBS and their really crappy destruction of the Star Trek Universe. Unfortunately, I don't think Paramount would allow that particular model to be made. It would be a cool model though, I agree with you there.
@johnmiller7682
8 жыл бұрын
The problem with everything in JJ Trek is that he purposely changed everything for change sake, and not just to update things. And they changed things enough that they didn't have to even call it Star Trek. And that's what they should have done. I understand the need to try and expand the fan base, by why do that by alienating the ones you already have? As a stand alone set of movies, JJ Trek is pretty good. But as part of the Star Trek universe, they are the worst out of all the movies. And I'm including Star Trek the Motion Picture in that conclusion.
@bsdandrum27
9 жыл бұрын
Axanar nailed the design elements. Most of the shots seem like they're a direct slap in the face of JJ's design.
@aaronbono4688
8 жыл бұрын
Everything JJ Abrams did with the new Trek was hideous. He took a epic franchise with huge depth of story, characters and meaning and turned it into forgettable eye-candy.
@howardrice9527
7 жыл бұрын
I like it better. I do not like the JJ enterprise
@anthonylemanquais555
10 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%...That enterprise would have been alot better, BTW my favorite Enterprise is the C refit!!
@imisinjan
7 жыл бұрын
I also afree with you, although the bridge isn't too bad but then you have a main engineering that looks like the inside of a brewery . When I watched the orginal movie I kept expecting Scotty to walk over to to warp core and pour himself a pint of beer.
@chuckford6910
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed the bridge wasn’t HORRIBLE but it was still bad... all those stupid lights and glass panes everywhere for no reason... and the color scheme just looks silly. I dislike how everyone who likes the JJ ship uses the argument “well it actually looks like a ship and not a toy!” But they couldn’t be further from the truth. Looks even more toylike inside and out, like they designed it specifically to enhance the potential marketing factors for toy lines and the like by incorporating things children like: bright, flashing lights, bright colors and weird shapes.
@tjeerdtrekkie1030
4 жыл бұрын
The JJ Enterprise doesn't look that bad.... It's just The worst possible model that you have picked to show off...
@thatdrunkguyyousawlastweek9127
7 жыл бұрын
TBH the TOS version enterprise (Not the Refitted) looks like a longer can of coke with a giraffe's neck
@Fish1701A
7 жыл бұрын
A miracle to me is also why the new ship has to be so much bigger. 1701 movie and 1701 A look best in my opinion.
@240ups
9 жыл бұрын
I like your 80's music metaphor Yes, They used a Boy George when they should have gone with a Peter Gabriel.
@italobambino43
2 жыл бұрын
I saw something recently it was about Desilu Studios, we all know that Lucille Ball was the one who gave the green light to back the production of Star Trek, she also helped develop Mission Impossible. I was watching this documentary about Lucille Ball when she was the head of Desilu, they were showing the drawings of the proposed USS Enterprise, as they were flipping through these drawings, they came upon one rendering, it was the refit design, they said this one here was originally the first choice, but they went with the one we all know and love. But, I know I'm not crazy, the rendering that I saw was in fact from the time of Desilu. I went back to look for this documentary and now it eludes me.
@markplott4820
9 жыл бұрын
I will never own a toy or model of the jj prize. you, know I really wanted star trek 2009 and Into Dumbness, to be good movies , that pay'd homage to the TOS series. but, jj had to FCUK it up. I will never own star trek reboot on DVD/Blu-ray. unfortunately, I am a optimist, and hope the next installment will be a better and new direction. I hope they fix the enterprise, and make it a STAR like the TOS and movies. that one shot, in TMP, where the ENT, exits the VGER cloud, and the is a sunrise on earth, ALL WAYS BRINGS A TEAR TO MY EYE.
@markplott4820
9 жыл бұрын
Mark Plott Dear Stuart (Captain) Foley, I love the Enterprise, no bloody A, B, C, D or JJ !
@sabrewolf4129
5 жыл бұрын
Still a NO, you can do a TOS style Enterprise without sending it to Tromaville.
@patrickstewart3446
8 жыл бұрын
The variation on the TOS design I liked the best is Madman's Defiant. It has alot of the best points of the TOS and TNG versions, though I do love Gabriel's too. :)
@SimonPeter611
8 жыл бұрын
I've been a Trek fan since I was 4 and loved the Constitution class and you are 100% spot on. I wanted like a fool to believe these films would be good however they are crap and I don't consider them canon. Just Cosplay garbage
@thefurrybastard1964
6 жыл бұрын
The Original Connie is by far the best.
@yogajitsu7252
6 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. And Chris Pine's Kirk is just aweful. He turned the charismatic character into a spoilt hollywood brat. Not even close to Shatners Kirk, and Scotty was portrayed as a bit of a comedian. Hated every minute of it and didn't even bother to watch the last movie.
@michaelclark737
6 жыл бұрын
New Voyages and Continues are a lot better than the JJverse.
@IchigoKurosakicool
4 жыл бұрын
@@yogajitsu7252 ok boomer
@GMLSX
8 жыл бұрын
Why don't you ask Gabriel to 3D print it? Conversions are not that hard to make.
@JimMcCray
8 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely not a nitpicky Star Trek fan like you, but I must say that those nacelles are really too close to each other, and the secondary hull looks like it's just plain missing from some angles, which is clearly not a good look. Oh, and what was the point of making the ship bigger, when it doesn't actually make a difference in how it looks, but rather, simply screws up the scales in reference to everything else in the series? Seems like he actually was trying to eff things up.
@chuckford6910
6 жыл бұрын
... Bro, you were totally nitpicking right there... 😏
@rebeccalabs3931
7 жыл бұрын
j.j. abrams uses "it`s in an ulternate universe",the kelvin timeline".,as an excuse,trying to pull the wool over fan`s eyes, so pathetic!,i liked the movie.but I believe you are right.it isn't canon star trek,or star trek really.he used this excuse to mess up everything he could get his hands on that we fans liked and enjoyed most.
@chuckford6910
6 жыл бұрын
Rebecca Labs it’s sad when fan films can kill blockbuster productions with major financial backing in terms of good storytelling, quality character development and behaving with honor toward the source material, and that is currently what Star Trek is experiences right now.
@TrentonBennett
5 жыл бұрын
I too have always loved Gabe's design and wished it had been in the reboot films. He's a good person to talk to. I too wish there was a 3D printed kit of his design out there. I as well would love a physical kit even if it's 3D printed.
@sam-jams6689
6 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with everything you said about the JJ-Prise. I prefer the refit to the TOS design but they're damn close! That's the only thing we disagree upon :D
@trekzilladmc
7 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the Koerner Enterprise clip, I thought it was actually the real teaser trailer for the movie and was blown away by what I thought was the new design, especially when I saw it firing phasers. The design was exactly right, with a modern iteration. Then I was very disappointed when I saw the J.J. version.
@rebeccalabs3931
7 жыл бұрын
j.j. abrams didn't grow up watching star trek.i say if you aren't a fan,and didn't watch the show.plus did`nt take the time to consider what would offend a true trekker,or as some would call them,trekkie.then leave well enough alone!!!!!!!.leave this stuff to somebody who knows what they are doing,a real trekker!.
@Davy.J.Y
7 жыл бұрын
The new Enterprise looks awesome, i really love it !! I am a Trekkie. But can i say this, everyone has things they don't like in the Trek universe :)
@thomaspaine6496
8 жыл бұрын
I feel that JJ is off cannon. Even the low budget fan films are truer to the original intent of what the series was meant to be. Basically JJ likes to blow things up. The fan films are doing a better job of continuing the story. I thing that JJ should do Star Wars and make hundreds of films. The star ship Rambaldi I can do without.
@Army20Veteran20
7 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you on the ship design. I thought it was just me. I didn't like the JJ Abrams version enterprise; I still dont. The alternate version is far better.
@SchardtCinematic
7 жыл бұрын
I will Never look at JJ Trek as Legit Star Trek. Only as one of the Alternate Realities.
@caboosesms1257
6 жыл бұрын
Schardt Cinematic Productions Believe it or not, it is an alternate reality.
@jack-he7fv
6 жыл бұрын
it IS an alternate reality idiot
@chuckford6910
6 жыл бұрын
The only problem is unlike the “alternate timelines” introduced in some episodes and subsequently erased at the end, “alternate realities” stick...
@IchigoKurosakicool
4 жыл бұрын
lmao t IS an alternate reality
@ZENITH-tr8xy
8 жыл бұрын
Nah didn't like the new design, the engines were to close together ruining the symmetry, and to have curved pylons is leaping forward to the D design, should have been straight with variations on the design, Basically J J Abrams butchered another classic design Again and then moved on to Butcher Star Wars and Kill characters that never died in all the novel series, WELL DONE J J .
@scottspicer1082
9 жыл бұрын
I agree with you the JJ enterprise is crap built on crap other then the primary hull the rest of it needs to be trashed and started over
@nexusvideo
8 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem I have with the JJverse redo is that there is too much wholesale changes to the technology of the federation. This was one the one Star Trek component that everyone agreed was perfect already. and of course - what they did to the Klingons was a travesty
@DeusExAstra
7 жыл бұрын
Agree the new JJ Enterprise looks like crap. The best is still the Refit Enterprise, which looks amazing from any angle you care to view it. The Refit is still my favorite spaceship of any sci-fi series or movie.
@AC_702
7 жыл бұрын
DeusExAstra yep...JJ-prise is terrible. Refit is best looking, followed by Original, Enterprise B/E (tie in my book), Enterprise-D, and then C. JJ-prise doesn't make the cut.
@JustinStrife
6 жыл бұрын
The Refit will be my favorite until the end of time. Seeing it back out of Space Dock in a Search for Spock, then turn and pull away, is an image that will play over and over again in my head forever.
@mikemac1298
8 жыл бұрын
That Enterprise was the best looking one since the Original Series. Period.
@robertphillips5181
10 жыл бұрын
the jprise had transwarp drive........ only problem was it was not explained BUT look at the similarity to the borg transwarp
@lelandreed8290
7 жыл бұрын
Your choice for what the Enterprise should have looked like is excellent. I would have said right on target, but they should paint a big bulls eye on JJs Enterprise and fire full photon torpedos and phasers and destroy it.
@collins.4380
8 жыл бұрын
If I was remaking Starfleet Command (or some other game based on SFB) I would totally use that design for the FED Heavy Battle cruiser.
@FlipORican00
8 жыл бұрын
Because it is an alternative timeline, the design size of the starships is pretty much open game to not having to stick to the design expectations laid out in the Prime Universe. Thus, I think for the reboot they wanted to give a design that would help to distinguish the two universes. They even change the uniform a bit had Starfleet adopting the Delta logo, instead of having different patches for the different starships. The Delta logo of the Enterprise was adopted universally by Starfleet following Kirks 1st five-year mission of exploration, as the Enterprise was the first and only Starship in Starfleet at the time to complete it.
@MrFox-rf3cu
8 жыл бұрын
I agree with this version. The Abrams Enterprise was awful!! Inside and out, it's a nightmare.
@bostjanzaplotnik4478
8 жыл бұрын
JJ messed up star wars as well.
@katanaburner
7 жыл бұрын
I always felt that JJ took the Enterprise and purposely messed with it since he was all Star Wars prior to this just to be like, "What now Trekkies?"
@peterdrought9334
8 жыл бұрын
JJ Prise - Ncells weird shape - bit of the secondary hull were the cells connect way too small. Looks unbalanced.
@williammann6198
10 жыл бұрын
Boy George Enterprise...LMAO
@jamesa.7604
6 жыл бұрын
Gabriel's Enterprise looks terrific! I agree with you. It should have been used in the JJ Movie!
@colanitower
6 жыл бұрын
I came across this video a year later, but this is a stunning design. It ticks all boxes, old and new, from TOS modernized to Kelvin timeline and everything in between. If USS Discovery is going to meet USS Enterprise 1701 one day, it should be this one. So many people would be so pleased.
@RamielNagisa
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Koerner’s Enterprise is definitely a gorgeous “update” to the Constitution’s frame.
@radioflyer68911
8 жыл бұрын
I think the best Enterprise design aesthetically speaking is the refit from STM. As for what a real world star-ship should look shape-wise and size-wise, it doesn't really matter what shape you choose as long as the propulsion works and it keeps the crew alive, shape isn't really important in space. I'd prefer it look better than tin cans all lined up though, but that's the way real star-ships would probably end up looking like if it were to happen.
@stefanfalke8041
6 жыл бұрын
I DON'T THINK THE DESIGN SHOULD HAVE CHANGED AT ALL FROM THE ORIGINAL CLASSIC TREK FROM 1966 - 1969. NCC-1701 CONSTITUTION CLASS SHOULD HAVE REMAINED THE SAME AND EVEN JJ ABRAMS VERSION OF CHANGING HISTORY RUINED STAR TREK FOR ME SO I NEVER WATCHED THE REST OF THE MOVIES HE MADE AFTER THE FIRST. PERSONALLY I EVEN PREFER WILLIAM SHATNER AS JAMES TIBERIUS KIRK AND NOT CHRIS PINE. PERHAPS ITS BECAUSE I GREW UP WITHT HE ORIGINAL SERIES.
@saquist
8 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry man. Gabe Koerner's Enterprise was really bad....extremely over grebbled and corrected nothing but add bulky parts to an otherwise sleak and simple design. The only problem with the JJ Prise by Ryahn Chruch was the stupid proportions and positioning.
@emperordoge6897
8 жыл бұрын
GABE KORNERS DESIGNS WHERE THE COOLEST THINGS EVER SO SHUT UP!!
@saquist
8 жыл бұрын
Emperor Doge Over detailed, excessive surfacing and dark overtomes do not make the design any better.
@emperordoge6897
8 жыл бұрын
+saquist yeah it not like the other ships had that property's cough enterprise-d cough
@saquist
8 жыл бұрын
Emperor Doge Probert's Galaxy is the most thought out ship in Trek and likely near the top in SCI FI. That's follwed by Intrepid Class
@asarand
8 жыл бұрын
I believe that JJ was so intent on making Star Trek different from the original that he felt he had to make the ship look entirely different and still be a Star Trek starship. I also do not care much for the way he made the Enterprise look, but I also do not like the Enterprise-B or the Enterprise-C. The -E is ok, sortof, the -F is barely acceptable, and everything after that does not even apply as far as I am concerned. Riker's Dreadnought version Enterprise is interesting, but I never liked the idea of 3 nacelles to begin with.
@flightdreamz7003
8 жыл бұрын
I thought the JJ Enterprise looked okay from some head on angles but that's about it. Like Stuart "Captain" Foley say's "looks like crap from almost every angle". I totally agree.
@patrickmaher7941
4 жыл бұрын
the 3 things i hate about the calvin line starship called Enterprice is it would have been better if it had been a ship of an enemy . enterprise are the ship it self , the engin room looks like it is a basement of a high rise from the 60s and the shuttle bay looks like they ran out of money to bild a real set . this ship inside and out is a desaster . being 60 years old and a fan for as long as star trek has been on the air i feel insulted by this ship, if that is what it is. it would have been better used as a new enemy dhip against the federation .
@nagsdeadfilms7024
6 жыл бұрын
One cool thought. Since every single shot is CGI of the JJ Prise. Someone Could go in and Replace it with this Enterprise for all exterior shots. LOL
@kylebutler301
8 жыл бұрын
The new Trek movies actually brought me into watching TOS and TNG. This elitest attitude towards anything new in Trek is really off putting. The new Enterprise is from the Kelvin timeline, they didn't hurt anything about the Old TOS and all its expanded literature. Your childhood is still intact. They found a point from that timeline and broke from it to bring us similar characters in a slightly different environment. Star Trek the shows have all shown alternate realities where things are different. Why can't that just be accepted here? Instead of hating and bashing, why not embrace the new concepts and the new fans instead of dividing everyone up?
@stevenjeanson6800
7 жыл бұрын
Here is a wild idea. How about stay with Matt Jefferies original design. That is what I would like to see. you dont change the look of a Model T or a 57 Chevy just because you dont like it.
@IRJOE5
7 жыл бұрын
Will admit was shocked first time seeing the new ship, and now seeing Gabriel's ship.... JJ hire that guy now!
@MrCougar214
7 жыл бұрын
I agree. That design is badass and SHOULD have been used in the new film. This last film, Star Trek Beyond, they do redesign the ship a little bit. So hopefully through this new universe they do in fact change the design more and more to look more like the Enterprise from TOS.
@AlbertoRodriguez-zb3iu
8 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% they didn't have to redesign the enterprise there's no reason for it, (not even the "it's another timeline" crap) the original designs would have worked on cinema with just a little fx, and lighting.
@Nikephorus
8 жыл бұрын
I'm not a huge fan of the new Enterprise either. I think the warp engines are too thick and odd looking.
@thefurrybastard1964
6 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough the Jar Jar Timeline Connie looks way better in Star Trek Online than in the movies.
@thereturningshadow
7 жыл бұрын
JJ is short for JAR JAR.
@ThatsMrPencilneck2U
8 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but the JarJar Abrams Enterprise was just another joke. Since TOS happened in the 1960's, an earlier version has to have 1950's features, like a 1950's automobile. As far as everything you think JarJar did wrong, those are deliberate jokes. I, too, would have had respect for this other Enterprise. While it does have he 50's look, it just isn't as funny-looking. Oh, yeah, as the Enterprise got bigger with every new version, the JJ-Prize had to be utterly humongous.
@robertstevenson1179
8 жыл бұрын
My view....??? Well what we have is a guy grumping and griping about J J.... Which is totally ok, this is America.... The whole time we're staring at this guy's reflection in his viewscreen.... 15 problems??? I'd like to get on board with you, if I could see what the fuck you're talking about.... Would you post some clear pics of the ship??? It looks amazing...!!
@staringmykeyboard3243
8 жыл бұрын
If he put nearly as much effort into the remake of Star Trek as he did with the remake of Star Wars it would have been epic. Instead we get an ugly and bloated enterprise with horrific interiors and lense flare. Oh and an entirely new universe where absolutely nothing that happened in the GOOD movies has happened yet, so JJ can copy and paste to his hearts content instead of actually working... I'm a little bitter....
@jamesdenson4730
5 жыл бұрын
I watched the 1st movie. Tried to be positive. Especially because I saw that Leonard Nimoy was doing a part in it, but alas, I hated the movie and I hate the JJPrise even more. The warp nacelles are absolutely horrid and look more like something you'd find in the sex-toy section of Spencer Gifts. The overall ship scale is just plain stupid.
@mrandrossguy9871
5 жыл бұрын
James Denson I starting to except the design of the reboots only Because they’re like an alternate universe ? But the Koerner Design although freaking awesome , is a Little too military?
@Tribulation_Harvest
7 жыл бұрын
Tried clicking on the link but it's no longer working.
@capnahayes
6 жыл бұрын
Thank God Star Trek Discovery used a very close version of this design in the Season finale...
@Alieninvader1970
7 жыл бұрын
Dude, My Desktop is the Gabe Koerner Enterprise. That design stays true to the original Matt Jeffries design, with an upbeat, or updated big screen look. I would have had no problems seeing that ship on the big screen. Gabe did an outstanding job designing the ship to be the Heart and soul of the Original. In 3 movies with the Ryan Church design, I have seen the Enterprise change 3 times. That's too much for such a short amount of time. As of the release of Star Trek Beyond, I am no fan yet of the new NCC-1701 A. The warp nacelle pylons are swept too far back, and the nacelles are too small. Hopefully by the time the next movie is released, they will tweak the design a bit, so the Enterprise doesn't look stretched. fans can only hope.
@cornerofthemoon
8 жыл бұрын
Assuming that the Enterprise is destroyed (again) in Star Trek Beyond, does anyone have any info on the looks of the new Enterprise A?
@buffyallgood5308
7 жыл бұрын
Are you glad they destroyed the jj enterprise in beyond and now they're making the enterprise a
@nucleargandhi2709
7 жыл бұрын
They carbon copied the same design. It is just as bad as before.
@chuckford6910
6 жыл бұрын
Nuclear Gandhi the I can’t believe I’m saying this but the JJ Enterprise A is even WORSE than his original... When the first JJ ship got tore up in ‘Beyond’ I was like “sweeeet, FINALLY” and then they got the new ship at the end 😭😂
@matthudsoniii6754
7 жыл бұрын
I felt the same way. JJ's Enterprise just wasn't quite right to me. I didn't dislike it. It just could've been a better depiction of our Grand 'Ol Lady of the stars.
@nomad_five7637
7 жыл бұрын
I completely and totally agree with you 200%. This version of the Enterprise looks so much better than the one J.J. Abrams went with.
@emailatomic
2 жыл бұрын
He's showing you a shitty toy. If he had presented the lighted Revel model next to the classic Enterprise Revel kit or shown clips of the remastered Enterprise with clips of the Enterprise in identical positions, hands down the Abrams version would win every time. Its all about how it presents on film. The front loaded nacelles are beautifully lighted and powerful looking on film . Its not going to work if everything is spray painted a uniform white.
@nomad_five7637
2 жыл бұрын
@@emailatomic I'm not basing my opinion off of a toy. I'm basing it off of the fact that I have watched all three JJ verse Star Trek movies. Whereas I do like the JJprise, it's not better than the original and the digital model that was shown in this video would have been a much better choice than the finished product (JJprise and JJprise A).
@emailatomic
2 жыл бұрын
@@nomad_five7637 There is usually something to be said for each variation and the era in which is was designed. Given the choice today or when I was a lot younger with no predisposition I would pick the Abrams over the original. But frankly I like the Enterprise from Strange New Worlds over either. My opinion is no better than yours.
@johnritcher5751
7 жыл бұрын
Gabriels Enterprise is friggin awesome looking. I dont completely hate the JJ Version, I only think the warp Nacelles could of been alot better. The rest of the ship still gave me the feel that Enterprise was there. What I hated the most is what they did to engineering, I somehow doubt it would look like Neenah Foundry on a Starship. In my opinion, the best engineering section was on the refit Constitution Class of the "normal" timeline. However the most intimidating warp core has got to be the Enterprise D. Its in the dark, massive, and sounds like a giant heartbeat,it has that, dont mess with me or ill breach look.
@JLJones0664
7 жыл бұрын
Stuart, I remember when stuff was leaking out about the reboot, Mr. Koeners' Enterprise was the first picture I saw, I "assumed" that this was going to be the "JJ" Enterprise - Lo and behold, seeing Trek 2009 and NOT seeing that version, I was kinda bummed....
@seanwilkinson3975
7 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Koerner's USS Enterprise/Constitution-class is truly better-looking by many light-years over the Abramsprise. I'm not terribly offended by the look and design of the 2009 ship, and there are things about it I unabashedly love, but the flaws become clear when placed side-by-side. The Koernerprise adds curvature subtly to the TOS' sharp angles and rigid areas, and the effect is of a graceful sense of movement even when still. The bits and bobs associated with the first 1701 are retained, but again are gently refreshed. This would include parts like the main sensor and deflector, the swells of the saucer above and below, the fore and aft sections of the nacelles, and the cut-out for the shuttle bay entrance/exit. There's nothing here that would jar the eye if it were placed next to the original. And any new details, such as the strip down the length of the neck pylon, and the torpedo tube blisters (I presume) on the hull just below, aren't flashy and distracting, and fit well with the overall design. Abrams, by comparison, gave the Enterprise a hot-rod treatment that makes it look unbalanced at certain angles and downright homely at others. The secondary hull begins too far forward, when it ideally should align with the saucer-to-hull neck pylon, and tapers too drastically too soon. The neck itself is overly broad, and the nacelle pylons seem to be confused as to whether they should sweep forwards or back or stand straight. The warp nacelles are unnecessarily top-heavy, due to the stylistic forward cowlings and the "big blue marble" Bussard scoops. (Truth be told, I like the engines' looks a lot, but they aren't apropos for a science/exploration/ocassional combat craft. If mounted on a luxury star yacht, fans would have adored them.) The plain saucer, mid-level hull, and fancy nacelles make for a styles clash when seen from above or below. Finally, when seen from the side, the mix of elements' angles often makes the Abramsprise appear "bent" up or down from the midpoint or the engines...the mishmash of components throws off the eye, and results in a ship with unparallel lines. So, yeah. The fan version is so much nicer in general, and it adheres to "form follows function" as a craft with a five-year mission to explore, seek, and go. Abrams practically just handed the fine gal over to a Chuck Barris wannabe starship customizer to turn it into a mediocre, yet over-the-top hot-rod/car-show exhibit, with tons of chrome a chopped top, and pipes snaking everywhere from a pair of rotary biplane engines, and impossible to get inside, get licenced, or drive.
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