Such a good review. Got px/s2es today in Ocean Blue and been watching every review before buying them. Yours is definitly one of the best and most detailed.
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words!
@WorldvsTruth
24 күн бұрын
A decent review, which has raised a couple of concerns. I listen to classical or other instrumental music almost exclusively, and travel by plane at least a couple of times per year, including long bus rides to airports. I choose the S2e over Bose QC ultra because I didn't want any compromise (insofar as possible) to the sound/music quality; especially not having the option to turn ANC off. My headphones should arrive next week, and travel plans unfold early next month. I'll evaluate before, during and after my trip - my first ever with bluetooth/wireless, ANC headphones. I will of course use them both wirelessly and wired.
@NorbReviews
23 күн бұрын
Best of luck. The Bose QC Ultra is one I quite enjoy, although I agree that the sound on the S2e is better. That said, if you plan to use them both wired and wireless, is it because you expect to use them wired to save battery? The S2e *must* remain on, which is a distinct disadvantage versus the QC Ultra. That said, have you considered the Momentum 4? Sound quality is on par with the S2e, arguably better, with the flexibility of the QC Ultra in being able to be used powered off (and like the S2e, USB-C audio is magnificent). Given what you’ve stated here, except for the inability to turn ANC/transparency completely off (although I guess you can sort of do it by putting transparency and noise canceling both to 0 in the slider in the app), it might be your best option: better ANC than the S2e, with sound that’s on-par, and better sound than the Bose. Plus a long battery. Anyway, best of luck on your decision. I don’t think you can go wrong with either, to be honest.
@redcolourbenzene7762
Ай бұрын
I agree, although I have now upgraded to the PX8!
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
I gotta say, after this, I’m *VERY* interested in the Px8! Much more than I expected to be!
@mhm35
Ай бұрын
@@NorbReviews I owned both Px7 S2e and Px8. The Px7 S2e is better unless you care about two things above all else: 1. Bass. BaSs. BASS. The Px8 has this in droves. The rest sounds recessed. 2. Aluminum, Leather. I returned my Px7 S2es for the Px8s. I wish I hadn't.
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for the heads up. The bass doesn’t surprise me, but I tune it way down (-3) already on the S2e. If it’s that much more on the PX8’s then that’s an issue.
@mhm35
Ай бұрын
@@NorbReviews yes as a basshead I enjoyed them quite a lot still for *most* genres, but I have to be honest that they have a sound profile that will offend some listeners. The only genre that frustrated me on them was metal, where I just couldn't find a EQ setting where both bass and vocals didn't feel like one was overpowering the other. But it did all other genres well for my liking. I think of the Px8s as the most luxurious headphones for listeners that like Sony ULT Wear, the old Beats by Dr. Dre, and Skullcandy Skullcrushers. It definitely has more refined sound and clarity than any of those, but you just can't escape the bass on Px8.
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
@@mhm35 that last paragraph says it all. Wow! Thanks for the info!
@robovirtuoso1354
Ай бұрын
You'd be impressed with the PX8 even more, at least in terms of build and materials quality, not to mention the sound. Adjusting treble by +1 on the app makes the S2e adds a touch more detail and openness to the soundstage. And some may prefer to reduce the bass by up to -2 depending on the track/genre.
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
Funny you mention the tuning, because I had a section on what I do, but took it out since I also mention it during the Genre section. (I do +2.5 treble, -3 bass, which makes the sound a lot more refined for me in most cases.) As for the Px8, people keep telling me and I’m REALLY interested now. If I can find it at a really great price (I usually pay for my own stuff for this channel), I’ll pick it up: I’m dying to put it toe to toe with a bunch others. I’m also seriously eyeing the Noble Audio FoKus Apollo.
@mhm35
Ай бұрын
Having owned Bose QuietComfort, QuietComfort Ultra, Px7 S2e, and Px8 (and my sister owning Sony XM4s), I'd say the Px7 S2es are the best in the premium ANC class ($300-$450). Haven't tried Momentum 4, which admittedly limits my experience and perspective, but the build quality on B&W is better than Bose, Sony. The sound clarity is more detailed and nuanced then either. Bose, Sony feel flimsy by comparison, and Bose is overpriced for the sound quality they provide. Bose, Sony > ANC B&W > Sound Detail B&W > Build Quality
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
Even better than the Px8? I’ve been keeping an eye out for those! Great write up and comparison, thank you!
@mhm35
Ай бұрын
@@NorbReviews Yes, I think when they said they took what they learned from Px8 and applied to Px7 S2e, they meant the bad and the good. The Px7 S2e benefits from the Px8s 24-bit DSP, but doesn't share it's frequency curve, so the bass boost and (some say bad) tuning on the upper end of the Px8 isn't present on the S2e. I'm not critical music listener or audio engineer, so I lack the resources to measure frequency responses of both, but I consistently see that press describe Px8 tuning as bizarre (if a positive review) or bad (if critical of the Px8). I liked both Px7 S2e, and Px8 (which I got recertified from B&W at $399), but even my untrained ear wouldn't find Px8's sound worth it's $699 retail price.
@ludeza
Ай бұрын
Thank you for your review, how do the px7 s2e sound compare against the focal bathys? which would be better for me to buy? Im looking for a relaxed headphones for r&b but that can give a punch when im hearing metal
@robovirtuoso1354
Ай бұрын
As well as their bigger brother the PX8, these are tuned quite differently from Focal Bathys. The B&Ws sound richer and their bass is the best (in quality not quantity) in any ANC Bluetooth headphones. The Bathys excels on their treble detail and overall clarity, especially if you use their sound personalization function that tests your hearing to customize the sound. There is an openness to the sound of Bathys that I don't find in B&Ws. B&W sounds relaxed, Bathys sounds more sprightly, but both are equally engaging in their own right.
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
I agree entirely with @robovirtuoso1354 on this. Great analysis!
@michelinu
29 күн бұрын
I currently have some Sennheiser Momentum 4 which I don't like at all and I will return them. Even with a custom EQ, I don't feel any immersivness and the sound isn't crisp enough. Everything seems smushed together. They just have strong (but too much exagerated if you don't set them properly) basses. Now, just to make me completely disappointed, they start to connect-disconnect every 30 seconds and sometimes audio goes completely off unless I hard-reboot them. I come from AirPos Max that were awesome for me but broke after 3 years. How do you compare the sound from Px7 S2e to them? I won't get back the ANC back from the APM (I don't even consider the one from M4 since the passive one from APM was better that the active one from M4) but I hope they don't sound as bad as the M4. I would like to avoid spending less than Focal Bathys/AirPods Max price
@NorbReviews
14 күн бұрын
Hmm. This is tough. I like the sound of the Px7 S2e better for myself-it’s slightly warmer, less bass heavy by default, though not by much-but I’m not sure it’s objectively better, especially because the Momentum 4 has that great EQ and sound personalization software. I find it more relaxing and easier to listen to all day, but again, it’s tough because the M4 is, from a technical perspective, no slouch. If you really dislike the M4, I’m wondering if you’d be better served by something with an entirely different sound signature, like the Master & Dynamic MW75. Or even the Bose QuietComfort Ultra with the EQ set to low bass? But if you’re willing to go older… have you considered the Momentum 3? It keeps all the detail with none of the bloat. I really love the sound on those. But it has terrible ANC compared to what’s available now.
@ludeza
Ай бұрын
9:21 What headphones would you recomend for metal and symphonic rock?
@NorbReviews
Ай бұрын
Sticking to wireless headphones: If you use the EQ on these and raise the treble some, I think they open up nicely and can serve that purpose just fine. My comments were for the default setting only, since getting into specific recommendations for specific genres becomes a matter of personal taste. I think the Sennheiser Momentum 4 might have a bit more treble right off the bat, though, along with the solid bass, while not being as warm, so that would be my immediate recommendation, especially with the Classical setting altered to give the default bass. (Actually, the older Momentum 3 might actually be great for this. I need to test that out.) Caveat: I haven’t tried the Heavys, which I suspect might actually be really decent for this, but I can’t say without first using them.
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