Disclaimer: I don't think banning Bayo is the solution. I'm a game designer and these are my thoughts from a game designer's perspective not a competitive player's. In game design there is a thing called the Dominant Strategy. Once players discover the dominant strategy *most* of them will start using it, *even if it makes the game no longer fun* to play. Then the players will blame the game because they aren't having fun anymore. Regardless of your thoughts on Bayonetta, I think this is happening with Smash 4. I love the game so it is sad to see. People always say, "what about Fox in Melee". From what I can tell, most people still think Fox makes Melee fun, even though he is the best character. Puff is probably a better argument since it seems players generally don't think Puff is that fun. Imagine if Puff were better than Fox? The whole "Just SDI" argument misses the point. People think they care about how good Bayo is, but what they really care about is how fun the game is to play. Sure, you can learn to SDI her combos and beat her but is it fun? Even though *Cloud* is super good, he is pretty fun to play against because the *dominant strategy against him is to edge guard him. You feel like the aggressor.* You get a big reward for doing it too. With Bayo the dominant strategy is "Learn how to SDI so you don't die early". The whole match you are playing on defense. The reward you get for SDIing correctly is not dying. It's just not as fun imo. Anyways, just my thoughts. Thanks for the video Beefy Smash Doods. Keep up the good work!
@JustinRuta
6 жыл бұрын
I like this analysis, it sums up my feelings facing her.
@MG-sk3ov
6 жыл бұрын
this tbh, horribly designed character even worse than dare I say it Melee Fox. Fighting her is just not fun and losing despite winning neutral more is annoying. Not broken but a ban can still be justified with this reasoning.
@PengyDraws
6 жыл бұрын
This is AMAZING. I have never considered this and no one else has either. That needs to be spread.
@uheartbeast
6 жыл бұрын
It is just my opinion on the matter, but yeah. Everyone thinks it is a balance problem but I think it is a game design problem.
@darious9704
6 жыл бұрын
It is great when people use intelligent arguments like this one unlike many others you can find down in the comments. Thank you very much!
@BeefySmashDoods
6 жыл бұрын
Bayo can still jank you with her Up-B if she has a lot of rage but we didn't want to get into that, the topic is complicated enough as it is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *Dealer* *Peach:* shop.spreadshirt.com/beefysmashdoods/
@benni_1792
6 жыл бұрын
Just SDI
@Mr_Original
6 жыл бұрын
I knew about SDI, and "hitstun shuffling," but I didn't know that wiggling the joystick made for better results. Thanks for that tip! Now about Pac-Man... XD
@benjaminanderson9710
6 жыл бұрын
Well you should of because now people are going to go around saying bayonetta is always able to have her combo dropped
@camusreviews6877
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I SDI in the Bayo matchup S-elf D-estruct I-mmediately
@Mo-fz1to
6 жыл бұрын
😂
@ivaneend6242
6 жыл бұрын
Casson 😂😂😂best explaination ever!!!
@Mr_Original
6 жыл бұрын
HHHAHAHAHAHAHA!! XD
@rightasreine
6 жыл бұрын
Hey dad
@camusreviews6877
6 жыл бұрын
My son...
@CatchingZzs
6 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the Wario demonstration on the SDI. 👁
@damplamp
6 жыл бұрын
if im not mistaken, it's his main
@drifki3471
6 жыл бұрын
DankLamp5101 no way!
@CatchingZzs
6 жыл бұрын
DankLamp5101 ye, but they could have easily just picked another character haha
@mjmjmjmj4229
6 жыл бұрын
Catching Zzs confirmed wario has the best mu against bayo
@NoU-jc4kq
6 жыл бұрын
Catching Zzs *WARIO TIME*
@UitraSyko
6 жыл бұрын
liked for vsauce
@mauriciomarquez3874
6 жыл бұрын
oh shit what
@CallMeKaaze
4 жыл бұрын
Syko!?
@Sorichuudo
6 жыл бұрын
My problem with Bayo is this: We need up to ten minutes of video explaining how her moves works and how you should deal with it, requires you to SDI like crazy in the right way, always considering your/her position and always mixing it up, there is still a chance she will guess right wich will result in your death, and if she doesn't, you still take a s**tload of damage. All of that, plus the fact that you just can't edge-guard her, she recovers from pretty much everywhere with little to no repercusion, and you also always have to prepare for witch time/bat within in the few times you actually get anything on her. All that, and people insist that she is not ridiculously good and "just sdi" is the godlike solution to everything.
@ken7007
6 жыл бұрын
Sorichuudo thank u
@Sorichuudo
6 жыл бұрын
ur mum is a shitty mindset
@Terranort9406
6 жыл бұрын
Your problem is that you don't want to improve, like most of the casuals that's all, give you a favor and get good or leave the game please, this is getting annoying as hell, coming from a Peach main.
@emishimaru-sama6449
6 жыл бұрын
I agree with this guy. Seriously, tell me *any other character* you have to deal with the same way as Bayonetta. Only Bayonetta has this annoying method to deal with and make It work.
@aquagrunty101
6 жыл бұрын
Sorichuudo Welcome to Melee! Oh wait... Anyways this is how the meta is pushed. Though this is a bit ridiculous. The real issue is how “free” this combo almost always is. The effort to combo vs the effort to escape it is laughably imbalanced. At least the Uber ridiculous shit in Melee requires you to push human limits or have a mind game so intense most people’s brain would explode trying to keep in mind that many factors
@mihaelkeehl354
6 жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting technique but I prefer to just press the power button instead of breaking my circle pad.
@ken7007
6 жыл бұрын
Mihael Keehl lmao
@alexduran9666
6 жыл бұрын
Mihael Keehl it doesnt break your circle pad. Perfect pivoting does, but not sdi.
@emishimaru-sama6449
6 жыл бұрын
Actually, that also does, even If It takes long -_-''
@EarthUPC
6 жыл бұрын
on my 3rd or 4th 3ds, and the circle pad is broken, agennn
@emishimaru-sama6449
6 жыл бұрын
You mean the circle pad? like, not the rubber thing that makes the circle pad comfortable, right? >.>
@narutarddatsme3207
6 жыл бұрын
RIP 3DS
@marxmanw3877
6 жыл бұрын
What about 3ds?
@lyd6471
6 жыл бұрын
@@marxmanw3877 there are two ways to play smash 4: Wii U, or 3DS and the guy playing is using a Wii U
@erimasuvonxiella7091
5 жыл бұрын
no smash di
@leoaxe4523
6 жыл бұрын
Just SDI intensifies
@stillakilla
6 жыл бұрын
How do i get out of her annoying combos? Simple: SD
@sokestrel3856
6 жыл бұрын
If you get like 40-60%’d from bayo you can just SD to reset your percentage to 0% and there’s nothing she can do about it.
Great video. Reading the comments makes me sad, though. I wish the community wasn't that childish.
@BlackStarBigWave
6 жыл бұрын
That's because most of them are indeed kids, what do you expect?
@TGatorGoHard
6 жыл бұрын
So much toxicity from both sides of the issue...
@tomjackal5708
6 жыл бұрын
KageyamaM fuckin hacker smurf
@sh1ku
6 жыл бұрын
I mean, top players are barely 20 years old. It still surprises me than I'm older than Nairo, MKLeo, and so haha
@DKStorms64
6 жыл бұрын
Its just one character i think the smash community are over reacting and also people can learn how to play vs bayo
@longevitee
6 жыл бұрын
Misread the thumbnail as "Just SD!"
@164starman
6 жыл бұрын
I mean, you won't get hit by bayo combos if you aren't there to get hit by them
@TGatorGoHard
6 жыл бұрын
Complaining isn’t the best for those trying to improve at competitive smash, but flaming someone for saying they don’t like Bayo is immature and rude.
@AceLeader101
6 жыл бұрын
Complaining is *the worst* thing for those trying to improve at competitive smash... If you want everything to be sugar coated for you, you can go play competitive Mario Party. This is the biggest reason why the FGC doesn't take us seriously
@TGatorGoHard
6 жыл бұрын
Ace Leader9 lol this is the toxicity I’m talking about. I literally said complaining about bayo is a bad thing if you’re trying to play competitively, and you felt the need to lash out. Maybe with a less toxic environment from BOTH sides we could move past this and ‘get respect.’ Many of the people complaining about bayo are spectators and others who have an interest in the game. All interest in our game matters. We want to grow the community not create a toxic wasteland that tries to poison anyone that doesn’t agree with us
@StateOfTheMind11225
6 жыл бұрын
TGatorGoHard 'get used to it/git gud' said competitors blind to vergil morrigan and doom being broken in umvc3, bayonetta is going to be the same, breaking the smash 4 scene, unlike meta knight which everyone agrees we got people who keeps defending her to the death despite evidence of results and tiers which makes no progress at all, and thats sad because bayonetta is broken due to forcing to be on the defence. and yet people fucking defending her and with salt memes, you know what is salt used for? hurting demons.
@AceLeader101
6 жыл бұрын
TGatorGoHard The "you guys are just as bad" retort is ironically worse, because it discourages any sort of debate. Learn to take the good with the bad, cause trying to turn a community into a safe space for thought is the childs way out
@AceLeader101
6 жыл бұрын
ArmorTalons310 lol, I love it when people bring up marvel 3 in this argument because I get to remind people that Marvel 3 is the longest running competitive traditional fighter ever played as a main event at evo. Despite clearly being far worse balance wise then smash 4 will ever be.
@SeightJam
6 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of people saying "lol just git gud". How about instead of ignoring people's opinions you be a reasonable Human being and actually listen to what thousands have to say? First of all,It's not just about getting out of combos Bayonetta's attacks in the air have no end lag, so she can just use an attack and if the opponent air dodges she can can attack again and hit them. Bayo's Side-B on the ground is fast, goes far, it starts a combo, has minimal end lag, and Bayo can choose to even use the second kick it not. Sure the opponent can perfect shield and then punish but that means that Bayo's opponent has to *perfect shield* then just to get a good punish. That in itself isn't hard to do, but I have to do so much while all Bayo has to do is side-b.And what if the opponent plays a character that doesn't get much off of grabs? Bayos Side-B in the Air comes out extremely fast, Goes far, can start combos, you can use to escape or cover a *TON* of stage really quickly, and it has a really big hitbox. If you miss this attack as Bayo you can just Up-b and escape. If your opponent tries to punish you for missing all Bayo has to do is Use Witchtime and she gets a free kill *For missing an attack*. Bayos ground attacks and rolls aren't very good, but She literally never has to even use most of these moves in the first place. Also, Bayonetta's smash attacks are very powerful AND they have a *lot* of range. Bayonetta is the only character that gets rewarded for messing up. If Bayo misses an attack air it's no big deal because None of her air attacks have end lag. If she misses a ground attack She still gets free damage from the guns *Which she can also use to force you to approach* . And if she misses Witchtime, it's no problem thanks to bat within. Imagine any other characters he main thing that makes them good. Cloud without limit, Diddy without bananas, Rosalina without Luma, or Mario without easy combos. Without these things these characters become significantly worse, They might drop several spots on the tier list. Now imagine Bayonetta without Witchtime. She isn't much worse is she? Infact she would still be the best character in the game. That's because Bayo doesn't need Witchtime, it's just an added bonus. Heck imagine Bayo without ANY 3 things that makes her good (Side-B, Witchime, and 0-death combos) she won't be #1 anymore but she would *still* be top tier. Now imagine any other character without 3 things that make them good. Cloud without Upairs, Limit, and his range= garbage. Diddy without Banana, good combos, and a great recovery=Garbage. Same with *any character other than Bayonetta* . Bayonetta's recovery is so good that she can't even be edgegaurded (Unless the Bayo player really sucks or the opponent gets a hard read). She can up-b *twice* (unlike every other character), she use her broken Side-B, and she can still airdodge and attack after she up-Bs. Ok so just SDI right? If I SDI out of Bayos combos I still take lots of damage. if I SDI out of *ANY* other characters combos, I take very little damage. Speaking of combos Bayo can just Use bat within to escape many true combos and frame traps that no other character can get out of. People say that Those of us who have negative opinions about Bayo are being hypocritical because Mario and Zero Suit also have unfair combos. But they can't zero to death with their combos, they can't up-B twice, Their combos only work at certain percents, and *they* don't have Witchtime. Ok so let's talk about Witchtime. It comes out on frame 7 making it tied with shulks as the fastest counter in the game, And if she misses it bat within will still save her. If you get caught in Witchtime, your stuck for a looooooong time, enough time for her to up-smash you *twice* or fully charge up a smash attack. (unlike any other character) I once jabbed Bayo while I was at 40% then the player just Witchtimed, threw me offstage then spiked me twice. It would have been hilarious if it wasn't so unfair. If I missed anything or got something wrong, please feel free to point it out (with actual proof) and I will correct myself. While you were reading this, you might have gotten the impression that im salty. Im not, I just wanted to point out what most Bayonetta sympathizers didn't seem to understand. AndIn case you missed it, the theme of this Essa- I mean comment is that Bayonetta has things that no other character can compete with. People say "Just SDI it forces her to work" But I ask you this: *Why should I have to work extra just to get Bayonetta Players to work at all?*
@Phi792
6 жыл бұрын
SJam - The Man That Spreads The Jam I don't think you did your research.
@frankpro53
6 жыл бұрын
Because life itself is unfair and it sucks. Deal with it like the rest of us or walk away with your tail between your legs.
@SeightJam
6 жыл бұрын
Das Spargel Thanks for giving so much context in your comment. *Sarcasm*
@SeightJam
6 жыл бұрын
frankpro53 Did you even read my comment? lmao "walk with your tail between your legs"? Im pointing out a problem and trying to help solve it. Im not ignoring the problem and insulting people like you.
@frankpro53
6 жыл бұрын
SJam - The Man That Spreads The Jam I did, and you're just wrong.
@platurt9595
6 жыл бұрын
Reading the comments, I kinda get why there are melee player looking down at the smash 4 scene. They put in incredible effort for very slight advantages but when we get a video about how to survive the most complained about killsetup, then that's too hard. You know how they would flip if you could suddenly SDI out of wobbling?
@alextorres3948
6 жыл бұрын
Make those Melee players play against Bayo lol
@platurt9595
6 жыл бұрын
If they could play against Bayo, they'd probably adapt.
@gatorssbm
6 жыл бұрын
I honestly think wobbling is a lot easier to play around than Bayo, even ZeRo has commented Bayo is a lot more unfair in comparison to the 2 different games (despite the conclusion below). Within the set mechanics of the game and the 2 stock format Bayo gets more reward than risk significantly more than the rest of the cast. Im not saying shes broken but her design is really bad on Sm4sh standards being able to kill off of 1 mistake (given the correct scenario) isnt exactly a more common thing with other characters. Sure you can adapt but that wont guarantee the player winning neutral more will end up always winning, this happens a lot less in Melee. Bottomline the games arent exactly comparable in an easy sense as in "Melee players can adapt whats the issue?"
@rtiq270
6 жыл бұрын
And yet, they magically forget all the bullshit they've been spewing about Wobbling, Puff, Stalling, etc. since the game came out.
@platurt9595
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah the games may not be comparable, but the mentality of the players are. When something was bullshit in melee, they had to deal with it. That was their only option. When something was bullshit in smash 4, we complained until the patch came out. We had that going on for quite a while and now that theres no more patches, we want it fixed by banning because we never learned to adapt. Bayo is not the problem. If they nerfed her harder last patch, we would have started complaining about some other character.
@keicee47
6 жыл бұрын
In defense of those wanting to ban Bayo, I think it's more about the fact that her move set is way more efficient in terms of connecting moves, compared to most of the cast (from what I've heard), and that many of her moves lead into witch twist. It's the fact that out of the 13 possible attacks that a character can perform, 7 of hers can build up to witch twist (d-tilt, u-tilt, u-air, f-air, side b, down b, up b). That's over half. *not saying banning is the way, just pointing out an issue*
@ganonsannoyinglittlebrothe9112
6 жыл бұрын
Just the fact that we need a ten minute tutorial video on how to escape a single combo from one character says a loooooot about this character in general . . .
@Nekotamer
6 жыл бұрын
this is the problem, you are not fighting bayonetta, you are surviving her.
@LGameTales
6 жыл бұрын
That Vsauce bit is exactly what I needed to get through the day.
@HylianKirbo
6 жыл бұрын
If your a Link user, here are some tips! When shes doing that basic annoying combo, sdi away, and pull out a bomb. When she hits again, try to throw it to her. If not, it will blow up on you, and thus hurting her, and you, putting distance between you two. also, try one of your projectiles. Boomerang works great. If you STILL get combos, use netueal air. If she *STILL* DOES IT, does do this
@bigiron1182
6 жыл бұрын
Melee players: SDI is one of the most important techs in the game Sm4sh players: lmao how to SDI?
@enzo20bc10
6 жыл бұрын
Melee players:Oh wow you play this character lets have a match Sm4sh:Oh you play this character fuck you
@itsfella5528
6 жыл бұрын
Melee players: damn even though I'm using fox, I still lost because of either skill or mind games, but I'll try to learn my matchups more Smash 4 player: I lost to a bayo because of bullshit. I'm not going to break my hand to survive her combo
@salj.5459
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe because SDI was stronger in Melee than in Smash 4? It’s no wonder people barely use it
@poycicle1953
6 жыл бұрын
Time to read the colorful comments today.
@singleaye9599
6 жыл бұрын
At this point, I’m tired of arguing about Bayo’s Witch Twist ladder combos because, really, if I do the “Just SDI” brigade will just storm in and try to shit all over me. My issue with Bayo is how *easy* it is to get these combos going. 8 of Bayo’s moves straight up combo into WT, 6 of which you can’t avoid with DI. Bayo is also an effective zoner/turtle/camper/Whatever, forcing approaches lest I take an extra 10% from Bullet Arts alone, all while I can’t even throw out my own projectile to counter them. Being told to “play patient” doesn’t work, because I’m forced to approach regardless. Bayonetta does not need to approach except for a few matchups, and once you finally go in, you eat a Witch Time and die, or get hit by any other move that leads into Witch Twists. My issue, again, is not with Bayonetta’s Witch Twists. It’s that so much of her moveset is designed around this one thing. It creates a more one-dimensional game in my eyes, and one where Bayonetta is never truly losing until her last stock is gone.
@SakuraPhoenix153
6 жыл бұрын
Beating Bayo. Just destroy a few controllers control sticks and cramp my fingers? Got it.
@enzo20bc10
6 жыл бұрын
Alden Flores *welcome to melee*
@MP_Guz
6 жыл бұрын
You have to do the same in the most competetive Smash game yet (Melee) so either take it or go and cry on a corner.
@francisduarte8120
5 жыл бұрын
My switch controllers just started drifting just by watching this.
@emishimaru-sama6449
6 жыл бұрын
"The beginning of this video was so full of contradictions for a moment there I thought I was going to collapse" -Miles Edgeworth
@jackray2315
6 жыл бұрын
A advertisement about curing depression was on this video..... I really like how the youtube ad algorithm is starting to attach their ads to related videos..... all jokes aside good video
@datdamnmegabusta5604
6 жыл бұрын
I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned this, but an even easier tech would be to throw your controller at the opponent. I can tell you from experience, it works every time. Just make sure you read their retreat, and you will never miss.
@yawns3004
6 жыл бұрын
One thing: when you said to SDI witch twist 2 away, you demonstrated twice SDI in. Away would be toward the direction she's going, which prevents her from ever connecting uair when it's done well.
@milesedgeworth132
6 жыл бұрын
There's always a way to get out of something. I want to learn how to prevent it because it's only dangerous when they spam it and I get caught in it which is all match.
@xroberto187x
6 жыл бұрын
How about we just nerf bayonetta?
@DillonSmith0527
6 жыл бұрын
Roberto Lopez How about no
@BeefySmashDoods
6 жыл бұрын
Believe me.. if we could, we would.
@xroberto187x
6 жыл бұрын
Dillon Smith your a bayonetta main aren’t you? Let me guess, just sdi?
@Denik19
6 жыл бұрын
Roberto Lopez Actually, he said “no more updates” because the Wii U is basically dead. There would be no point in updating gameplay, at least not from at business standpoint.
@DillonSmith0527
6 жыл бұрын
Roberto Lopez Bruh, look at my pfp. Does it look like I main Bayonetta? Heck, I don't even have the DLC characters.
@myrkari1963
6 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as always! Ignore some of these comments, they're a bit pitiful to say the least. Keep up the good work BSD!
@nayru248
6 жыл бұрын
People moan about Bayo's combos, but then they moan even more when a video comes out on how to escape the combos because they know they have to learn how to SDI them. People need to stop complaining only because they can't be fucked to actually try and use their heads.
@sokestrel3856
6 жыл бұрын
Nah I’d rather practice footstool combos and PP combos learning how to SDI is boring
@yogicore
6 жыл бұрын
big fucking facts they put it in a way thats simple and easily understandable too idk where these complaints are even coming from
I love how people are okay with learning complicated techs and inputs like perfect pivoting, EDD, B-reversing and wavebouncing, but are not okay with learning how to wiggle their control stick in a direction without needing any precision or tech skill. Really shows how beautiful this community is.
@vegetavsluigi
6 жыл бұрын
Yogi Pro-tip: Yeah she is.
@ederreyes2368
6 жыл бұрын
Yes you ate some percent, but you are alive. The best life quote
@jantzen2804
6 жыл бұрын
this video has been made 10000 times by 10000 different people
@thatgamer7179
6 жыл бұрын
That Gamecube Controller hung itself.
@Ricko_SV
6 жыл бұрын
Damn these comments are scrubby. No this won't help you 100% of the time but it stops her from 0-to-deathing you. Also, every top tier character has a steep learning curve like this. Cloud and Diddy also require a lot of pre-knowledge to stand a chance. It's not just Bayo
@vitornunes6715
6 жыл бұрын
HummahBummer If bayo did not exist in this game, cloud was going to be the target. The only thing they do is complain.
@dingdong6916
6 жыл бұрын
No. I hate Cloud but I have a special hate for Bayo she's easily the most annoying character to face, and honestly I'm probably going to just quit this shitty competitive scene. Zero was always a step ahead of the game and the next step is to quit
@Mr_Original
6 жыл бұрын
+DINGDONG 69 Same, except for quitting. XD
@frankpro53
6 жыл бұрын
DINGDONG 69 Good. One less salty scrub to worry about. *No one will miss you when you're gone*
@SawBlade289
6 жыл бұрын
Cloud and Diddy, unlike Bayonetta, do have real tangible weaknesses they need to play around and that are inherent to their character and playstyle. The only thing that can make Bayonetta perform badly is a truly bad player, whereas in the case of Diddy and Cloud, there are aspects of how those characters play that you can exploit. Also, complaining is annoying, and I don’t think that it’s a good thing that everyone would rather do that than just learn the game, but I do see a lot of reasons to complain about Bayonetta. (Only, I actually try to get better and end my complaining)
@gatolf2
3 жыл бұрын
Playing optimal is fun to some players but it’s when you have to play optimal or you die anytime the opponent chooses that’s really annoying and aggravating. What’s also aggravating is that too many of the right people were so determined to not complain about her because they think that it would be a scrub move or they just thought it was “too soon” is what drove the competitive scene into the ground. Ultimate would have needed to come out for smash 4 to die. Bayo was going to do it single handedly. I’m also not understanding why melee fans/players think they know what they’re talking about. Yes smash 4 has a more whiny community then melee but smash 4 is a different game. If you didn’t play a top tier, you weren’t going to win against her. It even got that way with the top players. So aim your “get good” train at top smash 4 players. Melee players don’t know shit about any game but melee. Melee top players who have tried the newer games competitively don’t have that good of results because it’s a different game. Go back to crying about puff.
@richardx1157
6 жыл бұрын
I was not expecting that Vsauce reference.
@rojm
6 жыл бұрын
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE DEATH COMBO KILLS CAUSE IT DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE SHE CAN JUST SPAM BACK AIR AND BAIT WITCH TIME AND CAMP AFTER RUINING THE GAME
@akeemtaylor8375
6 жыл бұрын
1 projectiles are a thing 2 airdodging or even sdi. 3 camp? What bayoettas do you go against
@SydneySininen
6 жыл бұрын
Plenty of combos do 20% tho. Cloud can Limit camp and tons of people have dumb back airs.
@rojm
6 жыл бұрын
cloud has a huge weakness which is his recovery, so he is muuuch more balanced. bayo has no comparable weakness.
@rojm
6 жыл бұрын
the people speak the truth
@mastershack
6 жыл бұрын
Akeem Taylor 1. Not all characters have projectiles, and many of them don’t do enough knockback or stun for an opening 2. Air dodging still leaves you vulnerable immediately after 3. Pretty much every top tier can Camp extremely well (Cloud with blade beam + finishing touch, diddy with bananas, and of course, bayonetta with everything in her moveset.)
@acekirby678
6 жыл бұрын
This guide is pretty good, Good job!
@petercottantail7850
6 жыл бұрын
don't forget to include they can b-reverse upb
@olixleon
6 жыл бұрын
It's interesting and kind of sad seeing the reaction the smash 4 player base has towards somewhat difficult tech compared to that of literally any other fighting game community, especially melee.
@itsBenjamon
6 жыл бұрын
Good thing greninja was nerfed
@EJJTheMiner
6 жыл бұрын
This is like the 5th SDI video. I wonder if people will start applying it more and more or just keep complaining.
@gavind1363
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if more and more people in the competitive scene will learn how to SDI... As if every pro player WASN'T already SDI'ing and STILL die to Bayo's 0-Deaths.
@EJJTheMiner
6 жыл бұрын
They don’t do it properly is the problem
@kjl3080
6 жыл бұрын
EJJTM really? The best of the best don’t know how to aid properly but this KZitemr does? Please read through your own comment again
@TheLobsterCopter5000
6 жыл бұрын
Thumbnail "Just SDI!" Well gee...why didn't I think of that 😐
@PlumpSSB
6 жыл бұрын
Alex Parpotta learn it instead of complaining about people who tell you to do it (since it works)
@water-111
6 жыл бұрын
it doesnt solve the issue tho
@iko6011
6 жыл бұрын
Imagine Bayonetta in Melee...
@KeleuHerdley
6 жыл бұрын
“I didnt find this video helpful” -all wii mote users have said to me-
@JayWaltz
6 жыл бұрын
very helpful!
@cryojester
6 жыл бұрын
"If you get hit with one with twist and both side B's that's fine" Yeah it's just 20-30+ percent, no big deal
@JDizzle_98
6 жыл бұрын
CryoJester That's more rage for you
@marsbirdexe470
6 жыл бұрын
CryoJester every good character, and even some lesser viable ones deal that amount of damage if they happen to start a combo. You know that that's how combos work, and it's not bayo exclusive?
@cryojester
6 жыл бұрын
Marsbird exe I've been playing since the game came out on 3ds dude don't be rude. Most characters don't have 30% combos that work at any percent.
@dorigawd
6 жыл бұрын
just like the other top tiers that can do 30+ percent of one grab or hit huh??
@Phi792
6 жыл бұрын
CryoJester You couldn't be more wrong my boy.
@kingeien5924
6 жыл бұрын
Wow I can sdi her combos... Can you tell me how I can make fighting her fun? Here's the thing, it's not just because she's so busted that people yell about her, she just isn't fun to play against and just feels oppressive, no character in any fighting game should make you wanna give up mid set, I think that's just a big point people gloss over and ignore, while banning her might be extreme, it would help the now slowly dying community a little, because it has become apparent that she is one of the many main reasons why Sm4sh is dying in my opinion
@d4rkluminox568
6 жыл бұрын
The community is hurting itself. The community itself is lazy and childish. About that "no character in any fighting game should make you wanna give up mid set" line. Yeah, no. That falls more on your mindset as a player. Example: ZeRo vs Fatality.
@kingeien5924
6 жыл бұрын
D4rk Luminox it's not the community being lazy, even ZeRo expressed how unfun and oppressive she can be, I've seen countless players just not wanna play because of how she can be, even other top players expressed the same thing, it's not one player's mindset, it's a majority of what people think
@kingeien5924
6 жыл бұрын
HammerBroGH top players practically say the same thing, even Zach had a slip of tongue after losing in a ditto, it's not just the low level
@kingeien5924
6 жыл бұрын
HammerBroGH what does that have to do with this one character being unfun to play and watch have to do with the general consensus that everyone agrees on?
@kingeien5924
6 жыл бұрын
HammerBroGH it's not even just those 2, it's also mid levels and high levels, even spectators of the game find her just unfun to pay and watch, it's just not about "is she broken"
@Robbie_Haruna
6 жыл бұрын
Nah, let's listen to the fanbase and ban her because she won three tournaments. While we're at it let's ban the most dominant characters in Melee too, why hasn't that happened? Because the competitive community just learned how to DEAL with the dominant characters instead of throwing out excuses and crying about them being overpowered. What's the saying? "No Johns?" when people make excuses for not being good enough themselves?
@AnguirusTCG
6 жыл бұрын
KINGOFDASLIPPYS AMEN. You are the best!
@StateOfTheMind11225
6 жыл бұрын
KINGOFDASLIPPYS the dominant characters didnt have a move where it punishes you so hard to something by literally pulling a chrono trigger on your ass, bayonetta and meta knight is fucking broken because she acts like a fucking mahvel character in a smash game which shouldn't be the case because whats the point if her neutral game is bad when most of the fucking tournament plays aren't grounded at all and needed to be in the fucking air to kill?
@StateOfTheMind11225
6 жыл бұрын
KINGOFDASLIPPYS before reply the point is of a match is to have fun and the spirit of competitiveness, why am I not having fun and has to put in more effort while another character has fun and does least effort due to her toolkit? doesnt make sense.
@Robbie_Haruna
6 жыл бұрын
ArmorTalons310 Except for the part where she's not broken? It's always funny when people throw around "omg broken" like it's going out of style and they have no idea what broken even means. Bayo is a good character, nowhere near broken and it's a joke that you'd even compare her to Meta Knight, because of the characters who hold the top tier list slot in each game (Pikachu in 64, Fox in Melee and Meta Knight in Brawl,) she's easily the worst of the four (and none of them even hold a candle to Meta Knight.) Your Marvel comparison (I assume you mean Marvel vs Capcom,) falls on its ass because every character has a mechanic available to them to fuck up her juggles (SDI,) you'd have a point if this were pre-nerf where her combos were guaranteed kills, but they're not anymore. Her neutral game being bad matters because she needs a move (usually one of her tilts or her Heel Slide,) to lift a target to be able to easily kill off the top. A platform can eliminate this need, but even then; trying to downplay her lacking neutral game because of her combos (which mostly rely on punishes to setup,) just shows your lack of understanding of this game. Guess what? In the majority of situations higher tiered characters will have an easier time and require less work than characters below them, that's how shit plays out. You not having fun isn't even an argument, since I'm sure you could ask loads of people and they'd find the game plenty fun even against her (unless they suck I guess,) and even amidst all those people who refuse to better themselves, she was still a character heavily requested for the game since it launched. You really should stop embarrassing yourself, it's clear your knowledge on the game and character is extremely little if you're going to call her broken, (which is just a kneejerk buzzword you resort to instead of actually trying to get better and counter her.)
@itsfella5528
6 жыл бұрын
KINGOFDASLIPPYS holy fuck calm down
@neonpixel27
6 жыл бұрын
One way I think bayo could get nerfed in smash switch is making her up b and side b have a smaller hitbox, and making the up b have less hight so that she can't combo to the ceiling.
@lugiagalaxy3849
6 жыл бұрын
Whether you want a bayo nerf or not lets just all enjoy this awesome video in peace pls
@greenfloking
6 жыл бұрын
Makes me sad to see how many players in our community prefer to just complain on the internet all day rather than actually putting effort into improving, even when they have a very well explained and simple guide in front of their faces. That attitude becoming more and more widespread is a thousand times more likely to kill Smash 4 than Bayonetta herself.
@StateOfTheMind11225
6 жыл бұрын
Farticuno 'get used to it/git gud' said competitors blind to vergil morrigan and doom being broken in umvc3, bayonetta is going to be the same, breaking the smash 4 scene, unlike meta knight which everyone agrees we got people who keeps defending her to the death despite evidence of results and tiers which makes no progress at all, and thats sad because bayonetta is broken due to forcing to be on the defence. and yet people fucking defending her and with salt memes, you know what is salt used for? hurting demons.
@greenfloking
6 жыл бұрын
Can you show me all of the tournament results that prove she's broken? Last time I checked it's still pretty rare for her to have more than 2 players in top 8 at majors. I'd imagine a truly 'broken' character would have at least a consistent 4/8 in top 8, if not 6/8.
@mariosonickirby1
6 жыл бұрын
Farticuno there were 4 bayos in top 8 the last 2 majors smh
@greenfloking
6 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you're referring to, at Frostbite there were three (Mistake, Salem, Tweek) and some people might not even count Tweek cause he's a Bayo secondary. And at Tokaigi there were zero Bayos in top 8.
@KarateGirl999
6 жыл бұрын
I KNOW RIGHT. These complainers need to get their worthless asses out of this community and go play some Cooking Mama or something for all I care.
@ultimaterecoil1136
6 жыл бұрын
You forgot super armor to prevent getting comboed in the first place. Aka little Mac.
@nocturne1742
6 жыл бұрын
I can't help but think of the Japanese Ike Nojinko, with his crazy good SDI. I want to have that ability as well.
@Anebriate
6 жыл бұрын
How to ALWAYS SDI into the blast zone and die at 20% to rage
@Cloperella
6 жыл бұрын
Just DI her witch-twist away from her, then DI her side-B toward, and you'll be fine... except for the fact that you still ate 20% damage, otherwise you're fiiiiiine.
@Cloperella
6 жыл бұрын
HammerBroGH said the bayonetta player
@daviddavidson7459
6 жыл бұрын
20% is fucking nothing. look at a luigi combo some day.
@Cloperella
6 жыл бұрын
Combos are a *combination* of *multiple moves* Bayo gets 20% off of *one move* Get an education past the 5th grade some day.
@akeemtaylor8375
6 жыл бұрын
Am i the only person who has no probelem fighting bayonetta but struggles against fighting cloud?
@julianburchard6049
6 жыл бұрын
When you say you need to DI towards Bayo when she uses her side B, do you mean where she is at the start of the move or the end?
@captainquickscope8414
6 жыл бұрын
Just SDI... Why did ZeRo, the best Smash player of all time lose to Bayo multiple times? I'm sure he knows how to SDI more than 99% of players
@AndrewBridgeman
6 жыл бұрын
ZeRo is one of my favorite players... but both he and Nairo SDI'd incorrectly during rage combos. And actually, that's one thing this video didn't cover... You generally want to SDI differently during rage combos, because doing some of this might just make you explode.
@yogicore
6 жыл бұрын
Captain Quickscope because the bayo players took their notes and played on point. More often than not if zero faced them again in losers he made the right adaptations and won the runback. Fuck outta here
@YacubCubby13579ZR
6 жыл бұрын
Captain Quickscope Armada is the only top player in any smash game who always has near perfect di/sdi, and even then he gets drill-shined on. Just because someone is a top player doesn’t mean they’re perfect.
@Pedro-ho2xj
6 жыл бұрын
Captain Quickscope because Salem is also one of the greatest smashers of all time.
@BeefySmashDoods
6 жыл бұрын
Every top player makes mistakes and unfortunately even the best players, yes even Zero, are not consistent with their SDI yet. Hopefully this changes soon and we see less dumb/early Bayo kills in the future!
@Megamanx297
6 жыл бұрын
You know a character is busted when you have to make a tutorial on how not get combod as bad 😂
@Edgeperor
5 жыл бұрын
Once I recreated a bayonetta combo with a tissue and my hand
@wuzzle6448
6 жыл бұрын
To anyone out there who exclusively plays FG and gets 9th at their locals, your opinions don't matter at all, mine included. The amount of facepalms I've had from seeing people say "Well I beat Bayo all the time, just get good" is enough to cause pain. At top level, Bayo's have optimized their combos to the point where one touch off of UpB out of shield or witch time WILL kill you without fantastic sdi. Sdi IS the answer, but it's the only answer. The community doesn't like that answer, and thus the game will likely die. Just wait for a Switch port and pray, because this salt train is not going to stop.
@connora770
6 жыл бұрын
Title is incorrect. They can read your SDIs, which make her incredibly annoying even if you learn this.
@monsterhunterdude569
6 жыл бұрын
Then you have to be able to mix it up because if your predictable they could see it coming anyway.
@srfrancium9728
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly the hardest part of learning to SDI her moves is that I don't have anyone to start her combos for her, and the CPUs don't even use them. (Also the WiiU is dead and I can't find a charger for the gamepad in stores and I don't want to fuck up my 3ds again)
@praxedissanchez5101
6 жыл бұрын
Yo I had the same problem but I order a new charger on Amazon
@aetherjuice
6 жыл бұрын
I love how Sm4sh players are so in denial. Enjoy your broken character killing your scene then, because she literally is.
@derkevevin
2 жыл бұрын
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@TMJJack
6 жыл бұрын
Okay, but if you SDI, you've already been outplayed.
@ChillavaKirby
6 жыл бұрын
This video is as godlike as that Wario's sdi
@phoslacer939
6 жыл бұрын
Wow It's almost like you guys still think this is an actual fighting. Smh Just stop lying to yourselves community. It's getting tiresome.
@kristian4187
6 жыл бұрын
Phosrai Lacer lol atleast you tried
@brandonsoto7225
6 жыл бұрын
This game’s dead.
@miity9734
6 жыл бұрын
Brandon Soto your profile picture is basically my reaction to your comment
@kahlilbledsoe4848
6 жыл бұрын
Then why is it at EVO?
@Yenkaichi
6 жыл бұрын
Why was Skullgirls at EVO?
@Tocaraca
6 жыл бұрын
You're dead!
@dainsrover5757
6 жыл бұрын
You know what game isn't dead yet? Melee~
@tinoc6451
6 жыл бұрын
more of dat slowmo bayonetta pls
@Blasian62
6 жыл бұрын
Simple, don't play against Bayonetta eg. Ban Her.
@notasian7620
6 жыл бұрын
Blasian62 id be kinda funny to just run away from her the entire set just to piss them off
@elijahmedina288
6 жыл бұрын
Man I do that online. I just kill myself when I have to go against gayonetta
@PlumpSSB
6 жыл бұрын
Elijah Medina legit? What makes her so bad, i have no trouble against 90% of bayos. Other than her kills of the top shes really fun to play against since she requires you to have patience and gives you the competitive mindset that I love specifically
@Blasian62
6 жыл бұрын
Really fun to play against!?!?!? I only played the game a little bit for fun and used to watch tournaments long ago, but it's clearly not fun to play against her. Her risk reward ratios are completely broken. The threat of witch time alone, that she can basically throw it out with relatively little risk at anytime she wants, and can turn just a stray weak hit into a kill at 0 percent is completely broken, and it's easy to see players frustration finding a way to get a good hit or combo started from that alone. Add in that her recovery is broken, having multiple up b's, side b's (that attack and combo easily), and an extra jump in the air which reset upon getting hit, and all without a helpless state that no other character in any other smash game can even compare to. She also has a good projectile and multiple projectiles which make it easy for her to projectile camp and force opponents to come to her and risk getting comboed or witch timed. Add in that she has bat within that can help her escape combos. And all of this is on top of her easy bread and butter built in combos that she can easily start and even it possible, takes a stupid amount of sdi to get out of. It's easy to see it's not fun for many top players to play against her when they play very well and as stupidly cautious as they can and make literally a single move that Bayo can use to take a stock. This character is completely toxic and is the reason why I and many others have stopped watching smash 4.
@elijahmedina288
6 жыл бұрын
Blasian62 Thank you.
@monsterhunterdude569
6 жыл бұрын
I know it would end the combo but If the player fell out witch twist can't you just angle side b downwards, And frame trap air dodges if used after falling out.
@stephenbanda2908
6 жыл бұрын
fighting bayo is a game in it of itself, that the problem
@jump7holes
6 жыл бұрын
I just made it to the final boss in Bayonetta 1 and it’s so hard! She can’t even SDI out of Jubilieus 😭 help me
@alos6235
6 жыл бұрын
Greninja can escape if shadow sneak
@Ultra2263
6 жыл бұрын
There's too much hitstun on Bayo's attacks :/
@kunntakentay
Жыл бұрын
Does this still apply to smash ultimate bayo?
@el_duck6577
6 жыл бұрын
Dady Sakurai likes characters that he didn’t make. WAT ABOUT DEM NNTENDO CHARCATERS?!
@Snugboat
6 жыл бұрын
I want that Peach Dealer shirt
@nerfirelia8235
6 жыл бұрын
Just to make a note to everyone in the comment section. If you are at certain percents or Bayo gets a good position on you when she starts her combo, then you most likely will not be able to escape that first Witch Twist. Using SDI is pretty hard to begin with so her combos are still deadly which is why you see good Bayos combo opponents hard in pro play :p
@Mudssun
6 жыл бұрын
This community is why I refuse to take the next step in playing smash competitively, absolutely lunacy, from both sides, you all should be ashamed of yourselves....
@MrDonphan
6 жыл бұрын
That shirt kinda flames thanks for the vid though :]
@zxch4671
6 жыл бұрын
I went against someone with bayonetta and they used FAir until i was off the screen then i died
@rayminishi689
6 жыл бұрын
The situation lies in her definite Auto-combo that always ends up in the higher blast zone. And doing that "jiggling to SDI as fast as you can" bullshit only helps for one moment. Before the Bayo main resets from a distance, ranges the fuck out and restarts the combo. She represents her game well, but it absolutely ruin Smash Bros.
@EarthUPC
6 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for that doods
@Spider6403
6 жыл бұрын
Ill only play against a bayo if i can use customs lol
@dankydont
6 жыл бұрын
i wish i had a bayo i could practice this with :(
@all4none777
6 жыл бұрын
1:57 - 2:10 The fact that it took you more than 10 seconds to list all of her setups says a lot about Bayo...
@kadar_BAM
6 жыл бұрын
so if i was bayo and i look at my opponents controller i can get confirm combos? damn
@shawnmalia9765
6 жыл бұрын
Banning cloud from doubles is ideal tho
@vcc5
6 жыл бұрын
how do we SDI out of lucky bat withins and random mid combo witch times?
@randallthescandall8327
6 жыл бұрын
i dont even play this game and she sounds OP , just like how roadhog from overwatch could once one shot combo almost any character in the game
@EL_QUE_LA_HACE
6 жыл бұрын
Great video but I already quit smash lmfao.
@Ohsnapkline
6 жыл бұрын
If I have to learn the matchup of 30+ charactrers then an equal amount of time on just one there is a serious issue here
@HexorMastah
6 жыл бұрын
Ok but why should I have to LEARN the matchup when I can just bitch and complain about it and refuse to get better?
@MayoMopper
6 жыл бұрын
"always" in the title In video: except against good bayos, and lets show mainly floaty characters, and not show one down air when they do sdi "out" and lets not bring up bat within, or the 20% jab. Thou if we see a solid video on how to beat different bayos, with some footage of high level players losing with bayo, its a little more even ;) Or free the miis, idc, it youtube lol
@almightyperfection114
6 жыл бұрын
2 years later and dis bayo thing is still a thing. Don't like it? Well play another game. Bayo gonna stay the same. Nothing we can do
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