I like to brief (and highlight) all the approaches for my airport of intended landing the day before the flight. Then they are like old friends when it is time to fly one.
@flightinsight9111
2 жыл бұрын
I like it
@Jdalio5
2 жыл бұрын
I have never flown a day in my life and I like it!
@justdewit
2 жыл бұрын
I used to do this but found it to be a waste of time since there's never a guarantee that the winds will favor the approaches you brief. Sure there might be a high probability but it's never guaranteed. I found myself at least half the time briefing the IAP the night before only to have to switch things up the next day. Sure I might pull up the two possibilities the night before but I would not study them in depth. So now instead I just make sure that I give myself an extra hour before the flight
@brianb5594
2 жыл бұрын
That my friend is how you stay ahead of the airplane. 👍🏼👍🏼
@frayzeii
2 жыл бұрын
I highlight color code the approach name (green or pink) based off of VLOC or GPS for the GTN650 and G1000, on a stage check flight I failed to hit the CDI button, I learned from that mistake by having a easy way to look down and see the color pop in my face. If I see pink I make sure I am in GPS, green VLOC. As well as what you say! It really helps glances when the workload is high. Happy flying :)
@StevieWonder737
2 жыл бұрын
As a pilot with over 38,000 hours I found this video informative. I will say that I brief generalities where specific numbers are likely only to be confusing and create mental data overload. Example: the MSA altitudes/radials. You are never going to remember lots of these numbers nor should. Generalize with something like "high terrain" NE or SW as appropriate. Ditto on the missed approach. Have the first couple of actions in mind but you can't memorize a complicateds MA procedure. You want the first couple of items since they often involve terrain avoidance in routing and altitudes. In other words ... KISS (keep it simple, stupid) ... is the best philosophy. Have a good grasp of the general structure of the approach but don't bog down in details that you likely won't remember anyway. And the missed approach, as noted in a comment below, is either the DA or if you were too high for the approach and elected to go around, the MA procedure would start at the MAP for localizer only be it DME or time. A premature missed approach might trigger issues if it calls for climb to an altitude that might create interference.
@peteconrad2077
2 жыл бұрын
If there’s one number I definitely brief, it’s the MSA.
@StevieWonder737
2 жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 There is rarely one MSA ... there are typically at least 2 and sometimes 3 and even 4 on rare occasions. If you're going to brief sector MSAs then you need to keep your regurgitation of the chart to the most likely and most urgent sector and forget the precise radials defining the sectors ... it's information that you won't recall especially under stress (single engine go around, etc). Better to see compass related sectors (northeast, or north northeast or such). You can always glance back at the chart if you are entering that sector and get real defining radials.
@peteconrad2077
2 жыл бұрын
@@StevieWonder737 there is always a dominant MSA. Not be firing this and key other MSA where there’s a major change is negligent. It’s needs to be briefed to be clear where the terrain critical area is and where terrain warning response becomes mandatory.
@StevieWonder737
2 жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 Terrain warning response should be part of a general mission brief and is not just applicable to an approach. Same can be said for abort procedures. Bottom line is this ... if you clutter your mind with a slew of numbers that you won't specifically remember, you will have defeated the purpose of the briefing. An awareness of the general location of any likely terrain issues is most important. The precise altitude is less important. IFR vs VFR is also a factor ... you can see and avoid (with adequate aircraft performance) or you must use precise IFR routing procedures when the terrain is hidden by weather or darkness. Just reading 50 different numbers off the chart is not going to make you safe. It's going to result in data absorption overload ... you simply can't reasonably recall those numbers without referring to the chart. Knowing WHICH numbers is more valuable.
@peteconrad2077
2 жыл бұрын
@@StevieWonder737 if reading a couple of numbers from a chart for your own protection is too much you shouldn’t be at the controls. As you descend, terrain becomes more of a threat and a more dynamic one. Knowing how high you need to go in the event of a loss of SA it a TAWS warning is critical. Without it, you’re asking for a CFIT.
@dactel2
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I also like to brief what kinds of “threats” are present for the arrival and approach BEFORE diving into briefing the approach plate. (e.g. terrain, weather, my fatigue level, any inop equipment that might require special procedures, any other unusual situations, etc., etc.) When you do this, the law of primacy tends to work in our favor in keeping better situational awareness.
@MikeMike91103
Жыл бұрын
Terrain, wires etc.. but you don't want to dive below, because the altitudes provided are still providing safety
@borntofly9438
28 күн бұрын
When you say “there’s no defined missed approach point,” I believe there is. If you’re flying the LOC approach, once you pass the FAF, you hit your timer and use the chart on the bottom left of the approach plate to determine how much time it will take to get to the MAP, it’s based on ground speed. 🙂
@JH-qqqqqiim
2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had KZitem when I was learning to fly. There’s so much free information today it’s amazing.
@pedrodepacas2463
Жыл бұрын
It is nice to have but one trade off is that training costs multiple factors more today. I don't know how I would have learned to fly or play guitar without YT!
@xAKALISx
Жыл бұрын
@@pedrodepacas2463 Holy crap that reality hurts too! Just five years ago I was paying $95/hr solo wet for a VFR 152 and $135/hr solo wet for an IFR 172, and then $50/hr for instructor. If you were to purchase that 152 it would run you less than $25,000 back then. That price doubled for the same aircraft VFR! The hourly rate to rent jumped $30 too! The 172 went up to $165/hr. We're talking about 50 year old airplanes that have been paid off for years now! The fk! I get maintenance, 100hr inspections, insurance, and annuals cost money. But training sucks these days. Every IFR lesson I do is over $300. For local crap like departures and approaches. A cross country isn't anywhere less than $500. The 250nm three legger is looking to be over $1,000
@oddrobotman
4 күн бұрын
Everyone in the comments here is saying for the LOC approach that there is no defined MAP, but in the time/ distance table it clearly states the MAP is 4.3 NM from the FAF which means the MAP is at the threshold. If you have GPS you can identify the MAP as RW23 waypoint on the FMS and go there. If you don’t have a GPS, then you must use a timer to ID the MAP. Correct me if I’m wrong.
@javacup912
8 ай бұрын
Great presentation and well explalin. Very good memtioning of the ODALS, and why. You'd be surprised how many pilots do poorly here (briefing). Just a couple of notes. Though somewhat obvious, flying outbound from the VOR , the No PT, should be noted. Also, as for chart currency and dates, for people that want to spend the extra money and buy the Jeppesen charts, Jeppesen only updates their dates, if changes have been made. Government charts (formerly NOAA, as shown), updates their dates with the current Nav Database cycle.
@ksuen106
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video, I wish I had this during my instrument stage.
@antonattard3678
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh the airport where I always pratice my approaches!! So cool to see this video!
@JPLAviation
2 жыл бұрын
Hello, at 7:00 when briefing the ILS or LOC RWY 23, you said "this approach doesn't have a defined missed approach point so we can go missed when we decide." Can you clarify the reasoning? I may be mistaken but I believe that when shooting the ILS your missed approach trigger (assuming stabilized approach) is the DA at which you arrive while tracking the glide slope and localizer. The localizer missed approach trigger is when you've descended to the MDA and have hit your time limit specified on the lower left of the chart based on indicated airspeed. Very valuable insight to students who use this videos to study as I'll send many of mine to your channel. Let me know your thoughts! Great vids!
@flightinsight9111
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! This part of the video goes into the LOC approach brief. Where because the missed procedure is straight out, the climb out can begin anytime up to the time limit you mentioned at the lower left. A more accurate statement might have been you can go missed anytime prior to hitting the time limit. Really appreciate you diving into the video!
@gort8203
2 жыл бұрын
@@flightinsight9111 "A more accurate statement might have been you can go missed anytime prior to hitting the time limit." Mu understanding has always been that you can climb prior to the MAP, but you cannot turn prior: "Therefore, when an early missed approach is executed, pilots should, unless otherwise cleared by ATC, fly the IAP as specified on the approach plate to the missed approach point at or above the MDA."
@drewpanderson
2 жыл бұрын
"Helicopter visibility we don't care about". MFW I'm a helicopter pilot brushing up on instrument knowledge... 😭 Haha don't worry, no offense taken. Love your videos! Super helpful and wish I had them in flight school.
@flightinsight9111
2 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@Mcphaterson
Жыл бұрын
So why did the LOC approach have a lower visibility requirement in this example???
@Andromedon777
10 ай бұрын
Ever found the answer?
@tangocharlie9291
Жыл бұрын
I brief mine in MSFS. In VR. In a full motion sim. With a GNS 530 & 430. (I pretty much *have* been there when I fly it irl.) MSFS is awesome.
@coopercrowley9580
Жыл бұрын
What kind of motion sim do you use?
@megacode2
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for all these great, easy to understand videos! They are definitely helping me to improve my skills.
@AlanTheBest97
Жыл бұрын
I have a question. You state that this plate has no defined point for the missed approach and you can go missed when you decide in the non precision approach... However, there IS a time table for the FAF to the MAP that shows the time to fly from the FAF to the MAP at a given ground speed... Is this table only aplied for the precision approach and not relevant to the non precision? Wouldnt it be a good practice to follow this table in both precision and non precision aproach? This is getting me very confused in my studies, could someone please help?
@4thpage
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the missed approach point for this localizer approach determined by the time after passing the final approach fix?
@menahgo9574
Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe it is. You fly to your MDA and maintain until your localizer hits 0nm and then go missed.
@guitarstuffs1236
11 ай бұрын
@@menahgo9574Localizer doesn’t give distance, and this approach doesn’t mention DME.
@aviatewithmahrad6796
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation! Great video as usual!
@paulvandingenen5135
Жыл бұрын
Hello, I will give you the Briefing i used to use in my 50 years as ifr FI,and TRI on several Boeing and airbus aircraft. WNF RAR DEP ARR DIV Weather Notam Fuel Routing Altitudes Radio aids Paul
@bradcameron7535
Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the difference between the ILS and LOC visibility requirements is because the distance from the aircraft to the runway threshold is further at the DA than it would be at the MAP. No idea, just a wild guess. Standing by for internet correction.
@abrahamnemani3907
3 жыл бұрын
Great and very well done.
@fromunderplease
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can you clarify the procedure notes section(2:13) “ Takeoff and alternate procedures” some Pilots say that you should included it in your brief, career pilots say if you’re not using it as an alternate airport this does not apply and not have to be briefed. Any thoughts?
@HeinzMcDurgen
Жыл бұрын
My 2 cents as a CFII - Anything in that box should have been briefed/reviewed on the ground. Sure, things happen, but if you've done your due diligence (91.103) you should know if any of this applies to you and have thought about it already. My other argument is that you already have enough going on, adding extra steps to the brief is unnecessary. If I'm not using the airport as an alternate, why do I care about the alternate mins? Planning on leaving on a better day that's VFR? Why do I care about the alternate take-off numbers? Stay ahead of the aircraft, but don't introduce a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter.
@LTVoyager
2 жыл бұрын
So, why is the visibility requirement for the ILS higher than for the category A LOC?
@codylucero5855
2 жыл бұрын
Right? lol i was like "......so are you going to tell us?"
@LTVoyager
2 жыл бұрын
@@codylucero5855 He doesn’t know either and is hoping someone can tell him in the comments.
@RichEdwards
2 жыл бұрын
It’s the note about the VGSI and ILS not coincident. Usually that means the separation between the equipment on the airport has resulted in a difference in the angle or TCH, practically meaning you might break out with the needles centered, but off in the PAPI and need the additional distance to align and use VGSI to descend to the runway (vs intercepting the visual VGSI guidance from the MDA of the LOC approach). On the plate here though it’s not showing a difference in GS or TCH so not sure on the note. The note is required for GS angle >.2 degrees or TCH of 5 feet.
@paulstout6029
2 жыл бұрын
@@RichEdwards not helpful. Use your people words..
@westcoastpilot
2 жыл бұрын
Does it have anything to do with the 718' obstacle at ZIBAT? The localizer has a stepdown at ZIBAT which will keep you above the obstacle that penetrates the Obstacle Clearance Surface. The ILS has no such stepdown. This requires the ILS to have greater visibility to see and avoid. I could be wrong.
@josephmiller8869
2 жыл бұрын
From Numbe to the IAF I would have briefed teardrop then 1 turn in the hold before approach. A procedure turn is not the preferred entry into this approach.
@heaths766
2 ай бұрын
This maybe a dumb question, but what flight software is he using when he is demonstrating everything? Is it just Microsoft flight sim?
@tlhphotography8676
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate all of your wonderful IFR videos. Could you please list the order in which someone wishing to obtain their IFR should watch your videos? Thanks
@topofthegreen
2 жыл бұрын
These videos are so good, thanks!
@faaacademyairportcertifica5155
4 ай бұрын
SO, IN AN IFR YOU WOULD SET THE MODE PANEL TO THE THREE TRANSPONDERS AFTER YOU SET THE MODE PANEL TO TRANSPONDER?
@raccoonair
3 жыл бұрын
Except for MSA, a complete and clear briefing; thanks for sharing.
@flightinsight9111
3 жыл бұрын
Totally! There's a lot of choices that go into what to brief and what not to. I remember having to brief the MSA (Minimum Safe Altitude i.e. the number inside the circle on the plan view) on the fly after losing contact with ATC waiting for approach clearance. Never hurts to have an idea of how low you can go for emergency purposes, especially in mountainous areas. Also why I wish they would publish ATC's Minimum Vectoring Altitudes, but that's a topic for another video!
@raccoonair
3 жыл бұрын
@@flightinsight9111 Yep, MSA for a canceled/ missed approach, or circling approach (always turn towards the airport). Minimum Vectoring Altitudes are for me mostly covered by Airway-exits, Terminal Arrival Areas (TAAs) and feeder routes.
@jakew9887
Жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Thanks
@peteconrad2077
2 жыл бұрын
This seems a quite old fashioned way of briefing. Lots of discrete data. Best practice these days is to start by talking/thinking about threats, what are the things that will most likely kill me today on this approach?
@lephotographinc
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@faaacademyairportcertifica5155
4 ай бұрын
YOU CAN ALSO SET THE MODE PANEL TO DO HEADINGS?
@joshuahunter7972
Жыл бұрын
When IDNT we need to be down range of the course. So when we idnt, we hear the Morse code. The ILS is a cone out from near the PAPI lgts. So my question is at what point or near do we ident?
@chrissanchez9935
2 жыл бұрын
When do we have to start reading the Approach Brief? 20 naut mi before TOD perhaps?
@whoanelly737-8
2 жыл бұрын
Great brief but the visibility required is “flight” visibility not what the ATIS is reporting. Take a look at 91.175. Great presentation! Nice job.
@flightinsight9111
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the keen eye! Part 91 allows us to attempt an approach regardless of ceiling and visibility conditions. You still obviously want to get the ATIS/AWOS reported weather prior to attempting. And shooting an approach you know is below minimums is not advisable. When it comes to 91.175c, you are absolutely right that it's flight visibility, not reported visibility, that controls whether you can descend from minimums toward the runway. What you see is what you get! Still, prior to shooting the approach, without a PIREP or something giving us the flight visibility on short final, we'll rely on the ATIS.
@whoanelly737-8
2 жыл бұрын
@@flightinsight9111 I really like your presentations. Keep it up.
@mahmutyuksel7480
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for great content
@stephengrabe2753
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this
@alirezaathari4462
2 жыл бұрын
You Are Amaizing
@richardheinichen8279
3 жыл бұрын
Good Work.
@flightinsight9111
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@hvenable
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JustMe00257
2 жыл бұрын
This is chart reading, not so much briefing. A briefing, from the modern airline perspective and having in mind a multipilot operation, is essentially aiming at: - identifying and mitigating the threats (e.g. man, machine, environment...) i.e "what is going to kill us", in a nutshell; - building a common plan and mental model. If one is operating in a single pilot environment, that would be summarizing the key points of the plan and making sure the strategy is clear and leaves no doubts. Brief what you actually expect to do or what might happen, and how you intend to do it, as appropriate (eg automation, configuration changes...). Eg I wouldn't fully brief a STAR if I expect it to be cut short, I would ensure that the FMS has been crosschecked prior to the briefing... Focus on what is more relevant or special. Eg If the weather is poor, have a closer look at the minimums, fuel and diversion planning. If you anticipate shortcuts, think of energy management and unstable approach mitigation strategy... Reviewing the charts is therefore just one part of the briefing. The briefing doesn't have to be very long. If it is too long, sounds like a recitation or is too fast and not interactive, the benefits might be quite limited. Always keep in mind: what will my crewmate take away from the briefing? The goal is not verify stuff or give a monologue because you have to but rather to improve safety and efficiency through good CRM and planning. Some generic structures: - CTWO (chart terrain weather operations) - Plan-threats-mitigation-additional considerations.
@StevieWonder737
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly and ol' Pete Conrad doesn't seem to gather to this generalist approach.
@2Phast4Rocket
2 жыл бұрын
Dude this is for the newer pilot who is learning instrument flying. This isn't about airliner and two crew members. If you are watching this and you are already an ATP, something is wrong.
@StevieWonder737
2 жыл бұрын
@@2Phast4RocketThis is about an approach BRIEFING. That would imply more than one pilot. Single pilot would be an approach REVIEW
@tomgofly1
2 жыл бұрын
@@StevieWonder737 Na, in single pilot IFR you brief the plate... to yourself. Maybe to your CFI or DE as well, but it's just you alone. If you don't do this well ahead of executing your approach you are behind the airplane in a big way. Maybe after you land and your sitting in the lounge you REVIEW an approach.
@StevieWonder737
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomgofly1 You're playing semantics ... and losing the game
@comcfi
2 жыл бұрын
The LOC 23 has a defined missed approach point.
@TM-xg4wm
3 жыл бұрын
Good video , please may you do one with a Jeppesen chart too. Anyone , preferably LEVC ILS 12
@flightinsight9111
3 жыл бұрын
Good idea, help out all us Jepp users too!
@TM-xg4wm
3 жыл бұрын
@@flightinsight9111 thank you in advance
@mehtapali7064
11 ай бұрын
What simulator is this?
@HrishiGhute
Жыл бұрын
Can you tell me what is name ? Or where should I get this software that show this equipment too use... is it from Microsoft flying simulator?
@tangocharlie9291
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@HrishiGhute
Жыл бұрын
@@tangocharlie9291 thanks.👍
@pittiuomo123
2 жыл бұрын
Simple briefing. Brief MSA altitude. Otherwise good channel
@andrewstempel8793
6 ай бұрын
An error in the narration. Narrator comments that the (3/4 nm) visibility requirement for non precision approach is oddly "more restrictive" than the (1 nm) requirement for precision approach. He meant to say "less restrictive." You need to edit this video to omit that comment or it will be confusing to students.
@emtdocjoe
3 ай бұрын
Hello. I do not agree. His narration is correct. The non-precision approach requires 3/4 SM visibility and the precision approach requires 1 SM visibility. Therefore, the precision approach requires better visibility to complete than the non-precision, thus making it more restrictive. Also, note that you are writing NM in your comment where the plates use SM for visibility. Don’t want to confuse anyone ;) 7:46
@andrewstempel8793
3 ай бұрын
@@emtdocjoe Yes, and the narration is wrong to refer to 3/4 mile visibility as "more restrictive" than 1 mile visibility minimum.
@streptokokke1003
2 жыл бұрын
On 7:40 You are saying: „on this Approach the non precision visibility requirement is MORE restrictive than the precision requirement.“ I do not understand that. The non precision requirement (LOC) requires only 3/4 mile RVR, while the precision requirement (ILS) requires at least 1 mile. This is strange, but means, that the non precision visibility requirement is LESS restrictive than the precision visibility requirement.
@beieber4life
2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that, too. I believe he may have misspoken
@streptokokke1003
2 жыл бұрын
@@beieber4life I don't think so, because he's going to make a Quiz about this thereafter: „why do think this might be? It's kind of a special case here.“ and „I had to ask too, so don't feel bad.“ I don't want to be picky, but this is supposed to be tutorial!
@cfagerstrom
2 жыл бұрын
I think he misspoke.
@bendrixbailey1430
6 ай бұрын
I am not sure why you set up and used VOR intersections when you have a pair of GPS navigators. The waypoints you need are already depicted. Much less work and chance of making a mistake. To set up the VORs as a backup, and just an exercise, OK, to train to rely on those rather than the GPS navigator? Nope.
@bendrixbailey1430
4 ай бұрын
@@joeblowjohndoe206 Thats just not true. You certainly can and should fly GPS to the IAF and intermediate fix. The autopilot will switch from GPS to LOC when reaching the IF and aligned with the LOC. There is no reason to go from GPS guidance to VOR guidance to the ILS.
@bensaville477
2 жыл бұрын
English approach charts aren't like this cover all types of charts please
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