Actually there were 2 gravel bikes I was considering, both CO-OPs. I could have done with the $1000 but it came only in black. I bought the $1500 one because its a nice off white with orange stripes; will enjoy the upgraded features as a result😆.
@aliffluffy4111
4 жыл бұрын
Nice said well said
@bhuntaali7392
4 жыл бұрын
Fuckkk
@robtyman4281
4 жыл бұрын
lol if only it were that simple. Unless you want to get back problems, then getting a bike that fits you properly is imperative.
@thedot4915
4 жыл бұрын
This actually made my day hahahaha 🤣🤣
@johna527
4 жыл бұрын
Bike size has been a U shaped curve for me - when I started, I went for a smaller size because I felt too stretched on a larger size. Then, as I did more cycling, I needed a larger size to be comfortable. Now, as arthritis sets in, I went back to the smaller size and more upright position. Which is why for new cyclists I suggest buying a second hand bike, so when you decide it's the wrong size you don't lose too much money due to depreciation!
@billionmunati3972
Жыл бұрын
❤️🙏
@Miguel_Pratz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comment
@dennishaughton4554
4 жыл бұрын
I am a runner. Me knees have taken a serious beating over the yrs. So @ this pont I'm contemplating on crossing over to cycling. I had no idea how big cycling really was. & yeah how expensive & technical it can get to purchase the right bike for u. This video certainly helped in my search of understanding the cycling world.. thank u
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe
22 күн бұрын
Go Swimming! Job Done!
@buckroger6456
4 жыл бұрын
I thought the correct size was which ever one looks the coolest.
@jirdesteva
4 жыл бұрын
And I thought I was confused about bike sizing before watching this video ?! :P
@AndreGomes1987
4 жыл бұрын
Yea this didn't help at all
@davidlangston6927
3 жыл бұрын
Still don’t have an easy answer for the novice rider. Sounds like you just pay the money and have fit. Of course that means you have to trust they what they are doing ?
@JDMaple85
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 For sure!
@danielbum912
4 жыл бұрын
Buy two sizes too small ✅ Seatpost extended all the way ✅ 150 mm stem ✅ You now look like a pro ✅
@naldyano
4 жыл бұрын
Daniel 150mm stem 😂
@Esperluet
4 жыл бұрын
👍🏻👏🏻
@dan_lazaro
4 жыл бұрын
Some tryhard "pros" look like Midosuji Akira from that one sports show. Look it up lol.
@alpenjon
4 жыл бұрын
@@dan_lazaro Hehe I did, thanks :P
@lordalfa600
4 жыл бұрын
@@dan_lazaro Kee Mo
@johnsonjae
4 жыл бұрын
I always have this issue. I have a long torso and short legs. My legs would dictate a medium frame should be big on me, but my torso and arms are comfortable on a large frame with 120mm stem. This gives me ideal stack and reach dimensions that are nearly identical. The issue comes when I wanna get long and low, and my head and arms are still above my hips on a large frame or chest on the handlebars on a medium frame. I have considered using my experience as a welder to make my own frame and bolt existing components to it.
@znothingfacez5681
2 жыл бұрын
I have the same issue. I'm more torso than legs.
@starving_drummer
4 жыл бұрын
Could you please make a video (or even a small series) about how road bike frames evolved through the histroy? How frame geometries changed and why? What kinds of fits were preferred by pro cyclists historically and why and by whom those preferences changed in time? (ie: Old steel frames always had top tubes parallel to the ground, nowadays they're mostly sloped. Or saddles are adjusted much higher than before, etc.) I couldn't find a comprehensive well made video on that subject, so I would really appreciate if you could make one. Keep up the good work.
@james.ainsworth
4 жыл бұрын
There needs to be some personal choice options considered when choosing your frame size. I've just ordered a new bike that offers a S, M, ML, and L sizes. According to the manufactures sizing chart, I overlapped the M and ML size so I could go either way. Being someone with a longer torso, I'm able to have something with a bit more reach. Being an older rider, I also didn't want to be too low in the front in order to prevent back discomfort. I made sure that I sat on both sized bikes to get a real feel. I also compared the geometry of my existing bike to that of the new bike, to make sure I was aware of any differences and made sure there was enough adjustments in the saddle height, etc on the new bike to be close to my existing set up. I went with the ML. For a younger racer, I could see why they might go for the M, and have the seat post way up and the bars slammed down, but for me it just felt too small.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
Hi James, sounds like you've done a great job researching and buying the right bike for you, well done!
@annettefournier9655
4 жыл бұрын
I need the T-REX size. Inflexible back and short arms.
@prestachuck2867
4 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of custom builders who can help you out. Still, see an experienced and competent bike fit tech before you waste money on the wrong bike.
@cloroxbleach3936
4 жыл бұрын
then get mtb😂
@_Rustodian
4 жыл бұрын
I think the T-Rex size is a unicycle!
@annettefournier9655
4 жыл бұрын
@@_Rustodian then I'm in trouble 🤣
@annettefournier9655
4 жыл бұрын
@@cloroxbleach3936 I have one, full suspension, i call it the Cadillac and the road bike The Porsche. Lol
@nautastro1503
3 жыл бұрын
I got 2 size up with long wheelbase hybrid... everything is adjustable in wide range, after some custom parts added. Currently planning to install pedals lowering joints to get better pull and also to lower my seat all the way down , that way my feet be able to touch the ground when I stop. I like my setup . With big tires it looks more like a motorcycle to me.)) Sweet big bike
@michaellynn9763
3 жыл бұрын
At 6 feet 3 with a 94cm inseam, I settled on a proportional 59cm Viking (I now ride something a little more sophisticated) which seemed to fit perfectly actually, though higher end bikes aren’t always proportional. Always aim for a size that allows you to get an efficient pedal stroke, otherwise your fitness is going to be impacted, unless your riding for leisure only. A smaller frame (assuming you’ve got the seat at the correct height) will produce a more aggressive position, a larger frame size with the same saddle height will give your a more comfortable position - assuming there isn’t much difference in the top tube length, which based on charts, experts and forums, increases by 1cm for every 2cm seat tube increase.
@luckymouse1988
4 жыл бұрын
When your bike is so light, you can keep it from falling down by placing a bidon next to it.
@jhjbarnes
4 жыл бұрын
This is a really valuable subject for a video, so thanks for making it. I think it could do with being a bit more precise with the graphics though, and use real examples as someone else also commented. Another thing that was not mentioned is seat-tube angle - this can obviously have a big effect on the rider's hip angle and how far they have to reach, and is not made clear when looking at stack and reach alone. Not all manufacturers make proprietary seatposts with different offsets.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
Hi James, cheers for watching and thanks for your comments, we'll use them to help make future videos better!
@AndrewEbling
4 жыл бұрын
What about adjusting the handlebar width? This can make a big difference to comfort and aero if you have particularly wide or particularly narrow shoulders.
@jpiccari
4 жыл бұрын
Wow that stack and reach graphic was less than helpful. For anyone wondering, stack is the vertical and reach the horizontal.
@ltu42
4 жыл бұрын
The graphic for the back to horizontal angle was even worse. Not the best quality GCN video.
@quintonharvey1957
4 жыл бұрын
@@ltu42 agreed. This wasn't particularly informative
@GurkenCommander
4 жыл бұрын
i mean, the word "reach" probably says it all. why would you think reach would be the vertical one?
@Shralps
4 жыл бұрын
It litterally had stack written next to the vertical line. Then reach on the horizontal line. Pretty clear to me.
@joewilliams4603
3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but later on reach is top tube length and stack is headtube length. Come on GCN!
@rah4981
4 жыл бұрын
So much easier to make an mountain bike fit. Have one hardtail and one full suspension bike. Both fits me like a glove, super comfortable. The road bike was much harder to fit, and is still not nearly as comfortable, but then again I'm not so flexible. This winter between riding my full suspension with studded tires I will start streching out my body. Now I can just barely touch my toes from a standing position, I'm sure if I become more flexible my road bike will feel much better to ride. The size of my road bike seems good, I'm at the upper limit of my size falling almost between two sizes with 3 cm to go. Not my bike size that is the trouble is my body, lifting weights for years without streching out will do that to you.
@andy_xtr3861
4 жыл бұрын
IMO Bike size and especially bike fitting is everything. Get it wrong and you can cause long term injury. I learn't the hard way!!
@angeloparagoso2793
4 жыл бұрын
Now i know the differences... I love to go back in cycling after i saw this video... Thanks for the info...
@Bodkin_Ye_Pointy
Ай бұрын
Loved this. I can't help feeling that the two times I bought the more expensive bike, they fit me with a smaller frame and the result is my knees come up very high so my thigh is horizontal to the ground. Funnily enough this was the only time I was measured by some guy who was supposed to adjust the bike to my fit.
@Wyoming734
4 жыл бұрын
Now we need a video on how to apply these bike measurements to individual body measurements.
@debbieschwartz3132
4 жыл бұрын
I use a professional fitter when deciding on a new bike. He has all my measurements and helps me make the correct choices. I bought my Niner gravel bike that way. Most comfortable bike I own
@CavenInToTheWorld
3 жыл бұрын
Problem is you want upright position so you choose bigger bike but bigger bike usually comes with longer top tube therefore longer reach. Longer reach means you have to adjust your stem to dangerously smaller size. I've had to experience this as i bought a size 53 bianchi and size match up my height but the reach doesn't so i had to change the stem to 60mm and it becomes dangerously hard to control though the right is comfortable as if i can ride it all day. But again hard to control.
@Outlast1965
4 жыл бұрын
Just a casual biker from the 80s era, and indeed thanks for the information. Can't keep yet with modern road bikes, kind a hard to let go of my Torrot road bike (Spain) and a Decathlon as well. Both chromoly. Will consider buying the modern one soon, perhaps.
@FourIntoOne
4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Talk about making it more confusing.....well done GCN!
@albertobonolamaravilla2531
29 күн бұрын
Thanks, and a lot, I’m hurt of lumbar hernie, and doctor sugest, statick cycling. Of course I’ll try a Bikefitting. But your orientation is great. Thank you from Mexico City
@krider7296
4 жыл бұрын
Your diagram of reach and stack are not very clear the way you showed them. You should add arrows to clarify that the stack is a vertical measurement relative to the bottom bracket whereas the reach is a horizontal relative measurement from the bottom bracket.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, we'll make sure our graphics are as clear as possible in the future!
@Aphidman1
4 жыл бұрын
When you're 2 meters tall, the only question is, does the manufacturer make a frame even remotely close to big enough? Test riding is almost always not possible because the largest frame sizes are not available in the shop. You special order the bike, then you figure out all the adjustments needed to make it fit as well as possible.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
It's never easy for super tall people, we hope you have found a bike you like that you are comfy on!
@georgefowler2077
3 жыл бұрын
I think that Ray Booty , at 6'3" , 25" frame , 7" cranks , 71seat angle and 73 head , 24" front centres . . .
@jonathanrobinson2628
2 жыл бұрын
I'm just coming back to cycling after a 15 year hiatus, and being 2.03m, I share your pain. Perhaps when I was younger, I didn't notice so much, but now even a 61cm frame feels compact. The hunt for a 65cm begins!
@sheldonharvey8306
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for addressing this topic. I am still a bit confused. Could you provide samples of different frame sizes and different reaches and different stacks?
@sandrafletcher9323
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! This would help
@oOoACFREEMANoOo
4 жыл бұрын
There should be a part 2 with real world examples. Use different people and different bike types. Otherwise good a vid.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion, glad you enjoyed the video!
@Pen2paw
4 жыл бұрын
This identical GCN video with a short rider but it is in Japanese. kzitem.info/news/bejne/0n1jl6xmpIyidqQ
@haroon420
4 жыл бұрын
Arnold Chan Yh. That’s what I was expecting. Nothing much new added here. They should have used their own sizes to compare against different brands and why they’d choose one size over the other. (Or something to that affect)
@Songbirdstress
3 жыл бұрын
@@gcn Yes, I found the seat height thing pretty esoteric till I saw a guy on a hired bike looking like he was on a tricycle lol. Now I get it it. I'm having problems getting the right forward aft placing of the saddle.
@jkdjose
2 жыл бұрын
1 size smaller than what dealer recommends is ideal for me… dealers tend to go to bigger size and that’s wrong
@alanjohnson8396
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a mature adult, in decent physical condition, and new to cycling. On the bike chart I'm exactly between sizes. What are the pros and cons of buying the smaller vs the larger bike? Thanks
@eurobubble7068
4 жыл бұрын
there is this notion that you have to choose between comfort and aerodynamics but for me a longer stem/ more aerodynamic position (60 cm saddle to bar reach, i'm 186cm tall) turned out to be far better for my back as i wasnt as crouched as much.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
Aero and comfortable! Sounds like you've hit the jackpot - well done!
@Guilhermesanunes
2 жыл бұрын
im 184 and i just bought the Santafixie Raval Fixed Bike - Hydrozoa 30mm size 61cm because it was the only one left. i never had a fixie bike but i love to ride it. do you think it'll be too big for me?
@reginaldscot165
4 жыл бұрын
What about top tube length? That's the best way to measure a bike because it doesn't get effected by the design of the bike. 2 bikes can have completely different effective seat tube length and the same top tube length. The seat tube is less important because the seat post moves, but the length of the top tube doesn't.
@bertdebruijn7129
4 жыл бұрын
What about sloping/compact frames?
@reginaldscot165
4 жыл бұрын
Bert de Bruijn you use a ruler to measure across to where the top tube would have ended if it was straight. 👍🏻
@MattSezer
4 жыл бұрын
Bert de Bruijn It’s called “effective top tube,” and it’s a pretty common measurement in the geometry charts that come with the bike.
@mojoxtreme
4 жыл бұрын
bike noob here (3 weeks and counting) , got a 56, but when measured i was on the cusp of 54/56. just this morning i asked myself "as time goes on and i want a much more aggressive position would i need to go for a smaller frame with higher seat post and longer stem" 6 hrs later i got my answer xD u guys are the best, thank you!!
@thickschmeat7560
4 жыл бұрын
yes smaller frame and longer seatpost and stem! i am 6 flat and I have a 50tt bike with a 120mm stem and a seatpost with setback
@Tiki_and_Kiwi
4 жыл бұрын
Bike sizing, especially on road bikes opens a huge can of worms. If you fit in the manufacturers prescribed size range for the recommended size then great but this video as informative as its is doesn't make any mention of body proportions. ie, long torso short legged riders or vice versa. Don't get me wrong it's as good as you're going to get in a short video but it's always best to speak to a bike fitter or experienced riders. Im an ex bike fitter and I've seen so many people buy the end of season bargain that they know is a size too big or small and regret it massively. Bike fitting is so important if you're road riding as you turn the pedals so many times on even a short bike ride. You want to make sure the bike fits your body and vice versa other wise it's just energy being wasted trying to adapt constantly. We all wanna look like pros on the bike but sadly we can't all carry it off. Long and low is great if you can do it, but most of us normal riders can't sustain that position for too long. There's seat angle, head angle, wheelbase and crank length to factor in. Its not a 2 minute decision picking a size. Just speak to the professionals before spending your hard earned.
@KingofStreet3
4 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend a size smaller?
@Tiki_and_Kiwi
4 жыл бұрын
@@KingofStreet3 smaller than what. Not sure what your asking? Need some context to the question.
@KingofStreet3
4 жыл бұрын
@@Tiki_and_Kiwi a size smaller on bikes. For specialized I'm a 54 but I've ridden their 52s and I'm more comfortable riding a 52 tarmac over a 54.
@Tiki_and_Kiwi
4 жыл бұрын
@@KingofStreet3 could be down to your body proportions that a 52cm feels better. If you've got a short reach then the shorter top tube will be a better fit.
@KingofStreet3
4 жыл бұрын
@@Tiki_and_Kiwi I told that to my friend who was a bike mechanic and he just waved it off and said your a 54.
@OmarZakiTopics
3 жыл бұрын
cool thx
@Lan_gtg
4 жыл бұрын
Reach is also measured at the headset not at the top cap
@sabamacx
4 жыл бұрын
Depends on manufacturer, sadly.
@prestachuck2867
4 жыл бұрын
For bike fitting purposes, I measure through the center of the top tube. If I cannot get my hands on the bike, and the manufacturer’s site isn’t specific, I won’t purchase that bicycle.
@alradhi.j3009
4 жыл бұрын
if you mean bottom headset. yes. bottom headset stack affects the geometry. upper headset stack doesn’t count when talking about bike geometry.
@dtmateo
4 жыл бұрын
Alradhi Jerichosakti it’s the top of the headtube that counts, not the bottom. The distance between the bottom and the ground is pretty much the same for all bikes that use 700c wheels unless you have abnormal forks. Stack is measured from the bottom bracket centre to the top of the headtube.
@alradhi.j3009
4 жыл бұрын
dtmateo the OP write headset and so do I. i’m not talking about headtube. about headset, very common with bike that have external headset, changing the bottom headset both shorter or longer will affect the bike geometry. longer bottom headset will slacken the head angle, shorter bottom headset will make it steeper.
@shamoy1000
4 жыл бұрын
I just want to ride through the park on Saturday.
@KurtleyWolf
2 ай бұрын
Great video. A lot of questions answered, thanks 🙏🏾
@georgefowler2077
3 жыл бұрын
To arrive at your suitable frame size , centre of bracket axle to the top of the seat tube , two thirds of crutch to floor with socks , without shoes . . . Seat angle may be from 71 to 74 degrees , 72 or 73 degrees more generally , likewise head angle , though Beryl Burton likely had 73 seat , 71 head angle , crank length as about one fifth of crutch to floor , handlebar stem extension will be chosen according to your chosen position and style of riding with variations , seat pillar and saddle adjustment . . .
@JB-1138
4 жыл бұрын
At 5'8" I ride a Medium size bike, but next time I'll but a size Small. The frame size chart usually indicates a split at 5'7" from small to medium. It's more comfortable, at least on a MTB.
@prizoni0257
4 жыл бұрын
How many inches was the wheel
@ch.ankit_estonia9124
2 жыл бұрын
I'm around 170 cm and today bought S size (scott road bike Gravel 40). But as per char they indicate that can use either S or M. As per you which one is good?
@robtyman4281
4 жыл бұрын
I take it, 'long and low' means you want to be riding an out and out road bike to go on w/e sprints with mates on, and a more upright position means you're looking more for a bike to go touring on and also commuting on.
@NathanWoo-u3t
7 ай бұрын
so after all that there's no mention of how to measure yourself for the right bike.... thanks I guess?
@mychaelpierce8049
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Best one I've come across! Thanks for sharing!
@boncattoo
4 жыл бұрын
I size my bike and it helped my dismount problem because every ride i do after a race or sportive for some how i can't get out of my bike and mostly crash on dismount. Thanks GCN
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
That's great news, it's great to be able to ride without fear of crashing on dismount!
@guywelch656
4 жыл бұрын
That would be halarious
@bobicabayo
4 жыл бұрын
He's hugging his bike ❤️
@671james
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! Very informative and helpful. I don't understand why this has almost as many "dislikes" as the comments.
@syedmatni4148
Жыл бұрын
very informative for a beginner like me..welldone 😀🤜🏼🤛🏼
@MarkMash17
3 жыл бұрын
My legs are really long and my back is kind of shorter than normal - so my reach is weird. My seat post ended up being really high, saddle all the way forward and I'm now quite comfortable... weird setup but works for me.
@chriskros8858
Жыл бұрын
What about knees? In such position you can feel an ache after longer ride.
@brickclickcat2893
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sizing and fit are fundamental but it's impossible to come up with a general formula for them which would work for everyone. For those new to the sport, try a few different bikes, note the stack, reach, effective top tube, seat and head tube angles, effective drop from seat to bars, pay attention to how all these things affect how you feel on the bike. Ask yourself how big of a drop from to bars you'll be willing to live with, and what size will allow you to most easily achive fore aft balance on the bike. And don't listen to sales guys that tell you they can fit you into any size frame. Run if you hear that. They just want to sell you what they happen to have in stock.
@chocolate_squiggle
2 жыл бұрын
Problem is I've been cycling for a year and only just now feel comfortable with what all those terms are. Even stack/reach I only learned last month! If beginners are expected to get a degree in cycling before they buy their first bike then no-one would ever start. I really think experienced cyclists can totally forget what it's like to be a beginner sometimes when sharing their wisdom, however well meaning. Beginners aren't trying to be perfect. They're trying to get to grips with how and when they should shift gears, how to brake safely, how to get out of their clip(less) pedals, how to get enough confidence to try riding in some heavier traffic. And don't forget navigating all the marketing guff about which helmet, lights, locks, emergency tools and bicycle pumps to buy - let alone learning how to use them all so you don't get stranded somewhere. I placed a huge emphasis on these things because I ride alone, decently far from home and very often late at night so I need to be safe & self sufficient, but when you're starting from scratch and haven't ridden a bike in 30 years then just learning about missing links / power links was a revelation in itself! That's the level I was coming from. Learning all that stuff on my own from scratch has taken me the better part of this last year. Anyone talking to me about the myriad of different bicycle measurements at the beginning would only have put me off. In fact I *was* put off for many many years by the stupid marketing photos of bikes with their seats 2 feet higher than the bars (okay maybe a slight exaggeration there, maybe). The flat bar bike I bought is heavy and sluggish and probably cost less than most enthusiasts front wheel, but it's been enough for me to learn the basics and do some 4hr 50 mile rides. I just don't think beginners have to obsess over 'geometry' or fit. Just buy a bike that's in the right ballpark which isn't hard and expect that you'll likely change it after a year or so - but you'll have a better idea of how a bike 'fits' by then.
@seattlegrrlie
2 жыл бұрын
From watching people when I'm out riding, most seem to be on a bike that's too big. They correct it by not putting hands on the hoods or by having locked elbows. I'd say if you think you're between two, you're really the smaller size
@Ediyudistira72
3 жыл бұрын
Verry helpful, thankyou for sharing good information.
@habibrahman2880
4 жыл бұрын
Nice and clear understanding about this complex subject of Suitable Size ! Thanks !
@denisspratt926
4 жыл бұрын
I am happy that next time the bike builder will help me with a bike fit since it's gonna be a bespoke built frame.
@marcMH
Жыл бұрын
Great video, but I am still missing more info about all the seat adjustments. Do you have a similar video more focused on this topics?
@matthewtowse1
3 жыл бұрын
I ride a medium frame with a raised stem and seat and I’m 6.5 and it’s absolutely fine.
@alradhi.j3009
4 жыл бұрын
1:29 not the best graphics to explain about reach and stack.
@stevenlengyel9701
10 ай бұрын
Yes I want my handle bars higher. To reduce neck pain.
@ceekay3001
4 жыл бұрын
What about standover? I guess this is also important. I can find a bike with a good size in reach and stack but the standover is too high. Bike size really is not that easy at all 😄
@matthewlewis2072
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I have ickle legs for my height, so standover is a key consideration.
@jerneilbautista6367
Жыл бұрын
Sit height... when you sit on saddle land your hill with your riding shoes or your shoes on wear totl the pedal. And then straigth both your leg and make their level at the same levelings.. to avoide quite higher saddle that makes your pelvicular swinging when pedaling.. . Rotating or pedaling alternatively is not reqly a complete fundaments of measuring bike fit saddle height. So both hill is on same level while the other foot is on pedal.
@stefanhoromnea6064
3 жыл бұрын
That really helps for a novice, thank you! Now, the graphic on the screen is interesting part, but the trousers comments completely take away the focus. Challenging, I like it
@jhernandez77794
4 жыл бұрын
Nice Video. I am "5,9", about 180CM unfortunately I fall right in the middle of a 54cm and 56cm on the majority of road bikes. I currently own a 54cm Trek 2013 Domane 4.0 as my first road bike. Still getting adjusted. For any other 180cm tall riders I know you can relate.
@depfeffel6455
3 жыл бұрын
5'9" is way too small for 56cm frame. I'm 6'2" and looking at 54cm vs 56cm
@trevorstewart1013
2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same situation at about 180cm. For almost all makes I fall in between the 54-56cm / M-L (or ML depending on the maker). I have found that going with the smaller of the two options seems to work best for me as a rule of thumb. With all the bikes I've tried that are the larger of the two options, I feel all stretched out just a bit too much. If the frame is but a smidge too small I can play around with the stem, but it is pretty hard to make the larger bike smaller.
@terryloker2585
2 жыл бұрын
You need to work out what actual height you are first . 5 foot 9 is not 180 cm dumbo
@james19164
4 жыл бұрын
193cm tall, 37.5”inseam - stuck between whether I need a 61cm or 58cm frame (endurance geometry). My legs are quite long...
@LOGICAL-JAY
2 жыл бұрын
61cm
@hamzahlaher3230
4 жыл бұрын
i love this channel.........and im subscribed for 2 days only
@AC-wq7fo
4 жыл бұрын
Ha! When I got into cycling a few years ago I bought an XXL decathlon special for E399 (my wife and kid are both considerably taller than me, so I had to consider them, too). Rode for days and up lots of hard hills on that oversized monster. Finally honed things down through two new bikes and ++Euro (of course), and then lots of 'science' to match my physical frame to a bike frame size (I am between an S and M on most websites). I was better off with the big bike.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
seems like an expensive way to figure out which size you like! I hope you have a bike that feels right for you now!
@AllanPhillips
4 жыл бұрын
This video explained general concepts (sometimes inconsistently) but didn't tell you how to choose the correct bike size.
@LeesChannel
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty easy for me, I'm 6'8", so I buy the largest size possible. I just bought a 2XL bike from Canyon and I still had to extend the seatpost beyond the max line.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
That sounds like it could be risky, could you get a longer seapost from canyon or another manufacturer? If it's a round one it shouldn't be too hard to source a longer one so you can stay safe while riding.
@LeesChannel
4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn it's only about a half a centimeter beyond the line, hopefully it won't be an issue. That's a good idea about asking Canyon for a longer seatpost, I'll try that out.
@maryeddie5192
4 жыл бұрын
If you found yourself in the middle of 2 sizes would you go with the smaller or bigger frame?
@Numeriwar
4 жыл бұрын
Im 1m74 and used a 53cm bike with 546cm stack for several years and just realized it was too small. I now have a 55cm bike wit 572cm stack. Only go for the smaller if you are 100% sure you are flexible enough. You dont take much risk to go for the bigger. You can still remove some spacers.
@yonglingng5640
4 жыл бұрын
It depends on what you want from your bike. Smaller size for agility or larger size for high-speed stability.
@allthingsTechrelated
4 жыл бұрын
Even sitting on the wrong bicycle for a few minutes can feel comfortable but after a 50 mile or more ride, you will really find out if it’s comfortable or not.
@richardbryanesq
4 жыл бұрын
Max Williams to me that’s why the advice of “getting fitted by a professional“ is overstated: the fellows will always ask, after making a dozen changes: “how does that feel?“ well, It always feels great in the shop. Ride for several hours and those most minor of adjustments May not feel so great on the road.
@blizzbee
3 жыл бұрын
Usually, just collect the "repeated wrong feelings" and bring those to your bike fitter, fitted with him/her, and ask for two/three times revisit without additional cost to confirm the adjustments.
@RyanWilson876
3 жыл бұрын
I learned the hard way,,🤣
@chazpilks
4 жыл бұрын
Easy to have a go at the content here, but it’s only supposed to be a guide. If anyone is spending good cash on a bike, you’re always best going to a LBS for sizing, even if you don’t buy from them.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
Great tip, going to your local bike shop is always a good way to find out more information 👍
@matthewlewis2072
4 жыл бұрын
Nope, not always, my crappy LBS (now closed down) tried to flog my ex a bike that was clearly too large.
@BjornSundstrom
4 жыл бұрын
I Think Reach and Stack are mixed up in the graphic ...
@matthewlewis2072
4 жыл бұрын
And then Hank uses the wrong measurements for Stack and Reach later on...
@Stephensry
4 жыл бұрын
We need a video on standing your bike on your water bottle and other creative methods 😜
@borjastick
4 жыл бұрын
here's a more technical but easy way to find the right seat height for you. Measure your inside leg from stocking foot at the heel to the underside of your bits (you know what I mean) then turn that into a 109% centimeter measurement. Put your pedal at the 6 o'clock position and measure to the top of the saddle and adjust to the 109% length. Easy.
@smalerider1727
4 жыл бұрын
Go by effective top tube first, + option stem and bar reach. It’s always going to tell you from ass to bars if you can get there. Stack is going to tell you how upright you will be and reach is how stretched out you will be. I’ve never found stack to be super useful, I haven’t ever been that fussed about it. Generally speaking all my bikes bottom brackets have been in the same rough range, so by default all my stack heights has been close to each other. Reach is absolutely useless on road bikes, it’s measuring cranks to head tube. Road biking is generally a static seated sport, the amount of time spent standing on the pedals, and going behind the saddle is nonexistent. Reach is more important in mountain biking. Putting more bike in front of you while standing on the pedals, and moving behind the saddle.
@LarsRR
4 жыл бұрын
James‘ saddle hight would definitely be too high for me (relatively speaking). When he is clicked in, his foot is extended downwards quite a bit, which at least for me, makes power transfer very difficult.
@jakubwieczorkiewicz8431
4 жыл бұрын
True but if you don't want to have knee problems you should have your leg as straight as possible, ideally close to 25 degrees at the knee (with 0 degrees being the a straight leg).
@weldonyoung1013
4 жыл бұрын
GCN your best advice & absolute must follow advice starts at 4:02 in to the video. Moving the fore/aft position of the saddle by more than millimetres is definitely a no no, changing the stem length by more than 2-cm will change the steering & weight distribution over the front wheel. From here you could have mentioned top tube length. Here is some handle size advice for that less than stellar ride - your daily commuter: go larger if your a big rider - theives will have a harder time with a too large bike.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
We're glad you liked our advice, getting a larger bike for anti-theft purposes is a different way of looking at it, hopefully you haven't had your bike stolen in the past!
@weldonyoung1013
4 жыл бұрын
@@gcn , thanks for the concern. Fortunely, I have not had to deal with a theft problem. Hope you & your viewer have similar luck!
@chocolate_squiggle
2 жыл бұрын
Would be good if the reason WHY could be explained instead of just telling newbies "don't do this, don't do that...blah blah blah...". I mean does it really matter for a newbie if the steering changes a bit because of a different stem? Every single car I get into has a different feel to the steering wheel, you adapt based on what feedback you get from it as you drive. Why is it so different on a bike? Now if it makes the bike more unstable and skittish and likely to wash out if hitting some gravel or a pothole on the road then yes, that's probably something novices should avoid. Just saying don't do it though doesn't really help. We don't learn anything from that.
@kendrewreviews
3 жыл бұрын
Great video but what about folding bikes? Brompton, Dothan, Java and Tern? Also, how can a tall guy find a folding bikes that can fit them well? For 20 inch wheels, 16-inch wheels
@whatissixtynine
4 жыл бұрын
Would love to have seen the new super tall guy for input on how to find a good fit when the pickings are a little slimmer.
@DauntlessDamian
4 жыл бұрын
First and foremost is Standover Height for me. With my 28.5" inseam the only brand I can consider is Giant for the most part. Specialized, Trek, Cannondale, often start round 30-31" and up in height. I've been looking for a fat bike and even though I love the styling of the Farley, it looks like the Yukon is my only option. Anyone with short legs should also check out the bikes normally labeled as "Womens", they usually have slightly lower Standover.
@zhaoyue9559
3 ай бұрын
I am at the point of upgrading to a second bike. I am not confused about the seat post height, stack or reach I need, but it doesnt mean I know my size: I can practically get the same setup from either size M or L by adjusting spacers and stem size. So the question really is, for the same setup, is a 'shorter stem with more spacers' (a larger size frame), or a 'longer stem with less spacers' (a smaller size frame) more desirable?
@BlankSlate1111
2 жыл бұрын
I was going to try and get into biking but there are just too many things to consider. it became so complicated that I just gave up.
@gutierrezcurtmathewe.7991
4 жыл бұрын
I'am a 5'8 rider my torso is quite shorter than my inseam. I'am using a 54cm specialized frame with a 80mm stem - 6/+6.
@matthewlewis2072
4 жыл бұрын
LOL same height (174cm) but opposite problem: short legs, long body. On my 54 Cinelli, I have an 110mm stem...
@andysfitness
2 жыл бұрын
I guess millions of new or intermediate cyclists all over the world appreciate GCN so much for so much valuable knowledge for free!!! They deserve their success. Thanks GCN
@tajis6660
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if anyone noticed, but they were off the mark with stack and reach, was kind of a bit cringing to watch. If you draw a perfectly 'vertical line' from the Bottom Bracket to slightly above the Top Tube, and then you draw a perfectly 'horizontal line' from the Head Tube and intersect it with the 'vertical line' you had drawn from the Bottom Bracket, so to exactly look like a reverse L, the length of that vertical where it meets the horizontal is the stack, and the length of the horizontal where it meets the vertical is the reach.
@jaberchowdhury1094
2 жыл бұрын
I'm still so confused
@mabeljesalva880
3 жыл бұрын
Wish I can have one of those bikes.😍😍😍
@ridercanada1
4 жыл бұрын
You guys opened a very large can of worms!!!
@multiverse439
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the can of worms was rather long but low; still making it rather large!!!
@MorrisonLee-wt2jp
Жыл бұрын
crazy TMI! I came ignorant asking a simple question and I leave still ignorant but now confused. Please keep it simple guys.
@henryguthery5311
6 ай бұрын
Great video, very informative
@MaxMustermannnnnn
4 жыл бұрын
I own a Cube Cross Race CX Bike with a 58cm frame and the size is perfect for me. I tested a Trek Madone SLR with an 58cm frame and it was to tiny for me.
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
Well done for testing a range of bikes, we're glad you found one that fits!
@barriobarranco
2 жыл бұрын
I'm 5'7" (67 inches) but my inseam is 33.5 inches(50%)... I read that inseam on an average person was 45% of their height so I should be 6'2" extrapolating that out...!!! I sit between a 52/54 but for me the ETT is important and should be no more than 535mm. I got an ebay bargain Carrera TDF as a winter trainer in the 51cm size- but as these only come in 2 sizes the ETT is 565mm! More like a Large and this is the smaller of the sizes...I had to replace the 20mm layback post with a straight MTB one, and drop the stem length to 80mm (tried 70mm but was becoming very twitchy)- my ETT plus stem should be around 640mm...I'm struggling at the moment looking for a new "sportive" bike- I need the shorter ETT of a 50-52 but want the higher head tube of a larger bike for a more upright position (this again may require change of stem and/or seatpost).... I bought a KTM E-MTB from Merlin in a size S (17" Seat tube) which according to their charts I was bang in the middle of the range, and to my relief for a £3k mail order has been absolutely perfect.... I Think it's about working out which manufacturers seem to cater for your proportions.... Looking at the 54 Sensa Romagna 2021 at the moment, it seems to tick all the boxes size and spec wise...
@1015katie
4 жыл бұрын
I’m so excited getting my new bike tomorrow 😬😬😬🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@georgefowler2077
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, looking very dishy . . .
@abdulhadihadi5631
3 жыл бұрын
Wow nice information and thanks for this
@anorup
4 жыл бұрын
At 3:35 you say "...your shoulder to hip angle should be 40-45 degrees to horizontal...", but the graphics tells something else, as the angle extends to the knee. Actually, the angle shown by the graphics is 59 degrees. A bit confusing.
@chrisklest1238
2 жыл бұрын
Do fitters help you find bike make and models that will fit you? Do they have you sit on an assortment of bikes and adjust the seat and reach accordingly?
@lelandquintal3126
4 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna try and make a pvc setup to check my angles. I think a 45 and 90 degree elbow with about 2 and a half feet of pipe sticking out all ends should do. I will edit post after the contraption is built....
@gcn
4 жыл бұрын
We look forward to seeing it!
@matthewlewis2072
4 жыл бұрын
Get A Bike Fit
@mribanezildjian3996
4 жыл бұрын
Wht is the best bike size for 179?
@kierbyfalcotelo7921
4 жыл бұрын
What is the best bike size for a 5'6 person?
@yonglingng5640
4 жыл бұрын
We can't just look at your overall height, we also need to take your leg length into account. Generically speaking, you'd be on a Specialized Size 49 equivalent, but if your legs are longer than average, a Specialized Size 52 equivalent would be your choice.
@Siberius-
2 жыл бұрын
I don't have a bike to do this on... lol. Was hoping for a rough way to know the gist, before going to a bike shop that might be far away. There is meaning your inseam so I'll look further into that.
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