finally someone on KZitem acknowledges basic vehicle dynamics instead of saying "big bar make car corner better"
@Arizona_overland
Жыл бұрын
Well there’s a lot more to it than that.. sway bars can actually decrease the maximum cornering force, trading maximum grip for predictable loss of grip.. which can be more important.
@cdnpont
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. There is so much at play. The bars are just part of it.
@lang1031
Жыл бұрын
He still explained it wrong
@IamJay02
Жыл бұрын
@@lang1031 Ok explain bud
@afatman1084
Жыл бұрын
Shhh. Just, sshh. Mr mechanic man that only has any type of knowledge from watching KZitem about his American Miata
@MrZYouTube
Жыл бұрын
Bro really roasted my celica
@cody2468
Жыл бұрын
Same here man 🥲
@mitch5300
Жыл бұрын
Same, except mine is oversteer as I've Fish tailed my gen 3 a few times
@cammymillard7385
Жыл бұрын
I wanna cry 😭
@TheAnnoyingBoss
Жыл бұрын
Well you've got the yamaha Celica so it's not as good as the older 1.8 Celica that had the glass headlights instead of plastic and the front looked better with them too compared to the plastic headlights Celica tbh
@sosbabe2804
Жыл бұрын
Facts bro
@apolloxlix679
Жыл бұрын
I was recommended your channel, sick miata bro, i dont see much NBs around KZitem these days
@nealp.2841
Жыл бұрын
They're all over the place!
@townsyy_
Жыл бұрын
I see them clapped out everywhere
@ulyssesguidi9960
10 ай бұрын
cuz they all ugly unless u like lady bug lookin ass carsc lol
@EFACE402
9 ай бұрын
Cause NBs are lame NA POP UP HEADLIGHTS OR NOTHING 😤😂
@bodivanbodivan3668
7 ай бұрын
My peripheral vision fooled my into believing that there's a supra behind you.
@trackshun
Жыл бұрын
For those who drive a FWD car, and actually take it to the limits on mountain roads, you need both for maximum handling performance. I only got the rear sway bar because people all over say it’s better just getting a rear, however, I notice that on less sharper turns and on roads with less turns that this is mainly true, however, there are also roads that have turn after turn after turn, and they are quite sharp. The upgraded rear sway bar does only half of what my car can potentially do. Getting a front sway bar on the FWD car took it to the next level. I noticed easier and longer ability to rotate around the corner without a hassle, while with only and upgraded rear, i would understeer way too much try to flee or keep up with other cars. Get both sway bars for the mountains!
@vellusk
5 ай бұрын
does this apply to all FWD? I have an type r fl5 and its the first fwd car i've owned and I dont know much. Would appreciate any advice!
@yboy898
4 ай бұрын
@@vellusk@vellusk pretty sure that the new fl5 have already a good handling. Sway bars will make it even better. But please love your car and not pushing it to its limits.
@YooKitty66
Ай бұрын
Modifying the sway bar is a good move to improve the performance and safety of the car. Many owners can achieve the effect they want by changing the rear sway bar, but for racing cars or more demanding modifications, changing the front and back sway bars together will also bring a great surprise
@MrGoldInfinity
11 күн бұрын
Mine just came in, will be testing this soon
@trackshun
10 күн бұрын
@@yboy898 the fl5 was made to be pushed to the limits😏 don’t know if you’ve ever raced in a honda but they love to be pushed
@fryloc359
Жыл бұрын
I never understood roll bars before, always thought bigger was better, but heard (on a Fiero forum) that going to a smaller bar can improve handling. Now I know why.
@yerpster
Жыл бұрын
One of the only things I’ve done to my golf 😂
@autodrivennam
Жыл бұрын
Which Mark?
@yerpster
Жыл бұрын
@@autodrivennam mk6
@autodrivennam
Жыл бұрын
@@yerpster not a shabby little car. If you add to a set of decent coilovers and a stiffening bar on both front shock towers and the rear. You'll be tripoding all day, Mk1 style.
@Fastcarsslowwmoney
Жыл бұрын
@@autodrivennam lol I use to drive my 98 grand caravan on 3 wheels all the time XD that poor minivan saw more abuse than any vehicle should it was my first vehicle and it only lasted 10 months
@TinyMiniStealth
Жыл бұрын
@@yerpster at the rear or front?
@kaeosfactory
Жыл бұрын
I have a thicker rear sway on my under steering Celica. I been telling folk to do this for a while. And hard suspension springs. Softer settings at the back harder at the front. Like 90/80% f/r also almost max tiring rating psi in the tires. Not over inflated. Just hard setting. Drop the psi at the front for more corner grip. Harder for more accel n top speed. These are my experiment settings for FWD cars. Works for me. Would take advice for any other settings. I just play with numbers and feel out my vehicle response.
@funniersphere44
7 ай бұрын
Say less I didn't know it went into such detail thanks for helping with the drift configs 🎉🎉 took me 3 years to figure it out and you explained it the way I needed to hear it
@aidenzen150
Жыл бұрын
The tires says 'Kumho' My brain: giggles
@extec101
Жыл бұрын
round black says pirelli.
@toolwithintention
6 ай бұрын
Kuhmo makes great tires
@tentedalex
6 ай бұрын
Love the celica clip
@johnathangreay987
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining this sway bar stuff. You explained the heart of the matter instead of going through the bullshit of like, comment and subscribe. Thank you
@vangelisgru7271
Жыл бұрын
Are we not talking about the man on top of the car on a surfboard
@eugenemccary4748
Жыл бұрын
I was tryna make sure i saw that right
@fal121
Жыл бұрын
@@eugenemccary4748 hahahah
@myless789
Жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment lol
@Ferrari255GTO
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's a mannequin but i'm not gonna dispute it, i'd be glorious to have a naked guy on a surf board on the roof of a cup car mid race.
@Fred_the_1996
Жыл бұрын
Bro it's the 24 hours of LeMons what did you expect lmao
@lawrencejones5640
Жыл бұрын
I made a front strut bar out of a dismantled shed after I put coils in my NB, made a hell of a difference. Logged data from a physics app in my phone, G forces around corners went from 0.8 to 1.3G afterwards, that's with semi slicks as well. Best use of scrap metal ever. Nice car bro.
@Kieran_OPC
Жыл бұрын
Went from 22mm front to 24mm front and no rear bar to having one and made a serious improvement on corner rotation on my 2010 Vauxhall Astra VXR it's the most important mod to do on them and reduce that front end understeer
@waynebooysen1426
Жыл бұрын
Hi i wanna ask for help will it help to make one for a corsa b 1997 bec the car sits on a corner but same time slips every thing is stander but the engen is the 2L 8b seh moter
@imadude85
Жыл бұрын
I thought bigger front bar causes more understeer?
@drugbaba
Жыл бұрын
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@drugbaba
Жыл бұрын
@@imadude85 In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@drugbaba
Жыл бұрын
@@waynebooysen1426 In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@HalferLandPerformance
Жыл бұрын
Yup, Our (HalferLand Performance) 550whp 06' Accord had major understeer. Add a Acura TL Type S 20mm rear sway and now it handles like a dream with an actual hint of oversteer, just enough to get the rear to rotate and point the front...plus we run 245's squared all around
@MysteriousSteve1234
8 ай бұрын
I used to own a 8th gen Civic Si sedan with tein coilovers. While competing in autocross it was incredibly difficult to get the car to rotate with the stock rear roll bar, so I installed the eibach rear roll bar. I noticed that the car rotated better but at the same time it was more difficult to balance the car on the edge of grip through faster corners. It ultimately helped my time but it was definitely a more loose setup than before.
@Jackal9405
8 ай бұрын
try softer up front , car should rotate even better but you might have to learn how to control liftoff oversteer,
@AndorRadnai
Жыл бұрын
I have been looking to upgrade the anti roll bars in my Volvo for a long time now. Hard suspension, but still too much body roll. Now I know a basic outline of what to look out for! Thank you very much!
@musewolfman
Жыл бұрын
I actually swapped to a smaller front bar on my Outback. It gave me a bit more body roll, but it also felt more stable in long corners, like a highway off-ramp. It's not the optimal setup for racing, but for a pure daily, it was perfect.
@Emjv13
Жыл бұрын
Bro I love those wheels on your Miata
@_AlexanderVargas
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@HeyItsEmilyLove
8 ай бұрын
Thank you. I’m going to use this knowledge for setups in iRacing
@Patrik2166
Жыл бұрын
...now I got it why my RC buggy which has a thick swaybar at the rear has TOO MUCH front grip that it allows the car to do a traction roll! Thank you! Been looking for this answer for days and can't believe I found it here :O
@michaelgallacher4800
Жыл бұрын
Did it work for your buggy dude ??
@Patrik2166
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelgallacher4800 so the final answer for this: yes, softer roll bar did helped a little, but needed stiffer springs on the front. Now all good, nice balance and first race is around the corner :) Hyped!
@Redline767
Жыл бұрын
You genuinely just taught me something. Thanks
@RavenValkyrie
Жыл бұрын
That white Subi is beautiful with the widebody.
@FZERO20
3 ай бұрын
Excellent! I always tell my friends you don’t need both sway bars. Normally you just buy what’s intended to make the car rotate around corners more.
@Flu_Tang_Clan
Жыл бұрын
That was an excellent explanation.
@_AlexanderVargas
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@pawpatina
Жыл бұрын
finally someone telling the truth versus the "known rule"
@SebastianAndreiIordache94
Жыл бұрын
This is the cleanest explanation I've heard Thank you
@papabarstow8565
Жыл бұрын
We need more car content that actually explains shit like this not just. UWU POGGERS IMMA PUT DIS HERE CHASSIS MOUNT WANG ON MY QUAD TURBO LAMBORGHINI RAVIOLI.
@RamyFal
Жыл бұрын
Most of Fwd cars don't have Rear Sway Bar But i would luv to install one on my car 😍
@R3cHtmoment
Жыл бұрын
wow thats gave me a new side to look
@jameseastwood4984
Жыл бұрын
Correct and well put. Roll stiffness front Vs rear is the key to balancing over/understeer.
@drugbaba
Жыл бұрын
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@luismaradiaga4031
Жыл бұрын
It’s about time a gts shows up on KZitem now me and my celica feel happy with in
@o6fade800
Жыл бұрын
Thanks now I know how to adjust my sway bars in Forza😂
@georgeg9959
Жыл бұрын
Maybe on Motorsport but if youre on horizon just set front to 0 and rear to max
@fireblow6842
Жыл бұрын
maybe I'm just shit at tuning but in forza horizon I usually always set the front higher and it works better
@Riley_Christian
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, that was actually very insightful 👏
@jersey3686
9 ай бұрын
A really beefy rear swaybar and no front swaybar is ideal for drift set up as it encourages the rear end to kick out
@Mekanik.b
Жыл бұрын
I predominantly work on B8/8.5 Audi's. One of the best mods I can recommend is an upgraded rear sway bar. Huge improvement for the understeer tendencies.
@drugbaba
Жыл бұрын
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@Mekanik.b
Жыл бұрын
@Vigilante It's to add more oversteer characteristics. The front roll isn't too bad, but the rear is pretty soft from factory. The B8/8.5's are awd with rwd bias. They are pretty front heavy, though, so they benefit from the stiffer rear end.
@markrowland1366
Жыл бұрын
My 1947, forty HP, Vauxhall j, had sway bar rear and independent front with hydraulic shocks all round.
@nep91
Жыл бұрын
just has my dream car behind him in the color I love
@blinko656
14 күн бұрын
We took our swaybar out of our 2015 MDX Acura. The ride in the back was so stiff. I couldn’t stand it now. It’s like I’m riding on a cloud. I don’t need it. It works. Took me four years to figure it out.
@262.productions
4 ай бұрын
can confirm, a stiffer front bar really helped the handling in my truck
@Mothafuckenzay
7 ай бұрын
Awsome explanation
@cconnon1912
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this topic!!!
@fleetcore5516
Жыл бұрын
Proceeds to apply exact same knowledge into force a horizon 5.. complete and utter tuning success with the vast majority of the cars I like to drive in the game. Thank you LOL
@waffle911
5 ай бұрын
I ended up needing thicker bars front and rear. Front because even with Eibach Pro Kit springs on Koni Yellows turned all the way stiff the body roll was enough to bottom out the outside front tire and push cornering camber so hard positive I was pretty much just riding the outside shoulder lugs while 2/3rds of the tire was doing nothing, even though I was running as much front camber as I could; I was fine on moderate turns but plowing and hopping in hard turns before the stiffer front sway bar, now it's fixed. Stiffer rear sway bar was to balance out the understeer from the stiffer front sway bar in moderate turns. I wish the rear bar could have been matched to the Eibach front bar, but Eibach don't make a rear for my 3rd Gen Mazda 3 and Corksport don't make a front bar. Not ideal for balance to mix sway bar brands, but it was the only solution I could find at the time.
@justinfarr4399
Жыл бұрын
My all original 1966 plymouth Fury With a slant 6, sounding nice rn now
@802Garage
Жыл бұрын
Good explanation!
@SpookyRumi
Жыл бұрын
My 8th gen coupe has a stiffer sway bar, it makes the back wheels slide when taking corners, it's awesome
@DirtyMike2024
Ай бұрын
I have a stiffer sway bar on my Q50. The body roll on the back end was horrific, and led to understeer in a lot of cases. The stiffer bar corrected all that.
@cdnpont
Жыл бұрын
There is a perfect bar for every car!
@Jackal9405
8 ай бұрын
for auto x on fwd cars I used to run no front and big ass rear sway bar.
@marz9157
10 ай бұрын
Great vid thanks mate
@monstermagnum56rayquaza
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@IOAN2ER
3 ай бұрын
Damn that subaru is cleaaan❤️🔥
@kalebringenberg6446
8 ай бұрын
this is why i liked upgrading my miata progressively. i took it to autoX a couple times in stock-ish form on normal 500 tread wears and now she’s on öhlins, 17x10’s, fat wing, fat sway bars. suffered hard from understeer with no camber
@AvoidingZombies
7 ай бұрын
Aye thank you. Now I properly under sway bars!
@sconartist
9 ай бұрын
Thank you! Been trying to tell my girl for years that thickness isn’t everything!
@jsduntitled
8 ай бұрын
Ooh subscribing. This the info I need fr
@charlesincharge.5161
Жыл бұрын
Well spoken great vid. 📡👽🇺🇸 RUN!!!
@sosbabe2804
Жыл бұрын
Of course me watching this video and thinking “My 6 speed Celica gts has ridiculous under steer and body roll” THEN THE VIDEO CUTS TO MY CAR UNDERSTEERING LOL!
@nealp.2841
Жыл бұрын
Auntie roll bar lmfao.
@SonicBoone56
Жыл бұрын
Very well said
@philipma7185
Жыл бұрын
Celica one of the mose underrated cars of the 2000s
@luismaradiaga4031
Жыл бұрын
True facts
@cristianseminario7899
Жыл бұрын
I don't know i'm pretty sure i can spin out in a roundabout whitout even trying but rain yes rain is a shit also a slight camber adjustment goes a long way
@JenGM24
Жыл бұрын
Nice bug eye, These deserve more love.
@nixter1618
Жыл бұрын
That's a Hawkeye...
@JenGM24
Жыл бұрын
@@nixter1618 Though they were headlights...
@nixter1618
Жыл бұрын
@@JenGM24 if you are referring to the white wrx or sti, then that is an 06-07 hawkeye. Bugeye had the round headlights hence the bug eye.
@jasonlundin1207
Жыл бұрын
Love the mazda banner in the back! I bleed zoom zoom.
@Shrek-iv8gu
Жыл бұрын
I IRL pogged when I saw the Miata
@jacobpooler6299
Жыл бұрын
This is so cool, like an American HPA but it’s just one dude who went to school and probably got ase’s and is doing very well for someone their age
@TonyEsson
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thank you 👍👍
@JusSkott
7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 When I still had my KA-T S13, use to tell people this all the time. More so on the forums, when builds are people posting all the suspension parts they can on a mild HP build. Even with friends, they had issues trying to keep up. Suspension wise all I had on the car was D2's with 18k front and 16k rear springs. (Bought them used), and megan front tension rods. Literally could throw that car around every turn and it was consistent. Where all the other parts I had, sat in the closet, until the day I sold the car to a friend, who ended up selling the driveline to another friend. Where the shell was sold to a different friend, that ended up selling it to one of his friends. Last I heard, the car was being thrown around Englishtown. No idea what they have done to it now.
@blep6173
Жыл бұрын
thanks now i know that i do not need to change, though perhaps a rear may benefit me
@jaep6893
Жыл бұрын
My rx7 swaybar is great on a road track, but when I want to go drifting, I disconnect it.
@MasterGamerSquared
Жыл бұрын
What’s your setup, I was thinking about getting a sway bar for my fc
@denisnovacek8428
Жыл бұрын
but stiffer suspension is better for drifting, why would you disconnect it?
@SqueakyNeb
Жыл бұрын
@@denisnovacek8428 we're literally in the comments of a video about how a sway bar affects more than just the wheels it's connected to.
@asdasd-om8tj
Жыл бұрын
@@denisnovacek8428 disconnecting front sway bar I think he means
@buss1205
8 ай бұрын
@@denisnovacek8428 stiffer is not always better, a softer setup will allow for more weight transfer to happen and therefor will be more predictable to control
@renzopancorvo
7 ай бұрын
I didn’t know that thanks
@SomeGuyNamedTex
6 ай бұрын
I usually like the rear sway bar stronger than the front. 👍🏽
@brandonflores7419
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@Sephiroth391
7 ай бұрын
You mentioned weight transfer, I thought about my 7th gen celica and lo and behold footage of 7th Gen celica xd
@mathewhyland8925
4 ай бұрын
Cool both sway bars for both rear and upfront for an awd subie
@JSAFIXIT
Жыл бұрын
Back when I was 18 I, like many young folks believed that the stiffer the suspension, the better it was. I put together a car with a lot of expensive parts. It rode absolutely awful and handled like absolute trash on the road. It was so stiff that small bumps would upset it. The only time it handled good was on a smooth parking lot at an auto-x. The best upgrade for handling, hands down is tires and a ton of seat time.
@PermissiveMoggy
Жыл бұрын
Which makes it even more ironic that he's running Kumho tires on his demonstration vehicle.
@packerman1203
Жыл бұрын
2010 accord crosstour, replacing the 12mm rear sway bar with a 20mm acura tl sh-awd sway bar is a well documented and easy mod, with great returns, shame the sway bar itself went from like 80$ 10 years ago to around 130-150$ today
@packerman1203
9 ай бұрын
Oh hey its this short again
@samedihack5972
Жыл бұрын
This is 100% true
@bartbarnett2811
Жыл бұрын
Yes and no it depends a lot on time speed weight acceleration deceleration whether you're transferring from a chicane or in a long swooping Corner versus an immediate 90°. There are so many variables it depends on the track that's why we have adjustable sway bars. 😉 the Pinnacle of all sway bars is the in Cabin adjustable sway bar so nice but illegal on a lot of circuits
@ryurc3033
Жыл бұрын
So with rc cars, same concept applies, exept I will throw different away bars on for different surfaces. Carpet has more grip so stiffen the back so it will rotate, it's incredible how much it will change with a very small adjustment
@keepitthoro6768
9 ай бұрын
Nice
@guyb6665
Жыл бұрын
Informative
@phillipfry5669
Жыл бұрын
Anyone gonna talk about the guy just casually riding on top of that car like a surfboard?
@tommyhairyeah7726
8 ай бұрын
back in the day we would remove them from the rear on evo 8/9’s world of difference
@infinityplus1489
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the correct pronunciation of anti. I'll wait for the angry comments
@NiiHelium
6 ай бұрын
But it depends on the phase of the turn. Softer front gives more grip under braking, but softer rear gives you more grip under acceleration. You want soft front, stiff rear under braking, stiff front, soft rear under acceleration.
@zoppp621
Жыл бұрын
Active swaybars ftw
@yusunglee6873
Жыл бұрын
finally some science
@mattk1627
7 ай бұрын
No wonder Hert said he justs takes out the front sway bar when he goes drifting
@Zzz-ghostyyy
Жыл бұрын
Subscribed
@ThmsPtrsn
8 ай бұрын
Also depends on spring rate
@richardrausch5953
Жыл бұрын
When i added a rear sway bar on my 2003 Mustang, it became a frickn drifter on wet ground
@FireManiac58
Жыл бұрын
If you add a stiffer front bar it will reduce the amount of oversteer, or if the rear bar has adjustment holes you can try runs that are further out
@rafaeltherider3129
6 ай бұрын
Give me that Subaru right now.
@PatrickRW99
6 ай бұрын
remember Gordon Murray, probably the most genius car designer, hates rear anti roll bars😅
@suryaraghavendran3627
7 ай бұрын
Slight adjustment, you can’t change weight transfer, only weight transfer distribution but yes this makes sense!
@cooluser23
Жыл бұрын
Can confirm Rolled a car with a too stiff rear sway bar.
@s_t_r_a_y_e_d
Жыл бұрын
would be nice if eibach actually made sway bars for the 2nd gen tC
@nod_naL
Жыл бұрын
🔥
@dinonuggies2276
Жыл бұрын
Celica spotted!
@MidnightMechanic
Жыл бұрын
A stiffer one also doesn't allow the suspension to articulate like it should, so bumps beat the crap out of the tires and framing. Consider your bound and spring rates, and the track conditions.
@drugbaba
Жыл бұрын
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
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