Thank you so much for your informative video on cracking open these plastic coffins that PCGS encased my coins in. It took some effort using a hammer and2 different sized screwdrivers, but after 20 minutes of banging and prying, I got the GSA Morgan's out with NO DAMAGE to the GSA holder.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Жыл бұрын
Glad you got it out without cracking!
@morgansinner
Ай бұрын
Older video, so you may not be answering questions anymore. But just in case, I was curious if it looked like the actual gsa case had been opened somehow ? Ifso, maybe someone switched cc's with a cleaned one. And are the "scratches" truly caused by a person or other Morgans from being in a bag. I cant see them that great from the video to have a better opinion on either. There are very deceptive people who wouldn't have to think twice about switching the coin. Have you tried having it graded again ? I've got years, 1880, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85 , all in gsa holders...with multiples of 82,83,84, a few graded but most aren't. I'm going to take my time and patiently look back over the morgans AND the holders. Yours was the first I've ever heard of this..."cleaned" ?? .....Strange !
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Ай бұрын
Hey, good questions! No the GSA case did not look like it had been tampered with at all. I suppose it is possible that the scuff marks were due to being in a mint bag, and just as likely possible that whoever put it in the GSA case brushed it with their thumb or a gloved hand. There were one or two comments on this video of people mentioning they had also seen cleaned it designation in GSA cases, however I don't recall seeing any others myself. I have seen some toned coins with similar scuff marks on them that did get straight grades without a 'cleaned' designation. I might consider sending this into NGC at some point, if I do I will make a video on it. Thank you for the comment and inquiry!
@RipVanSmith
26 күн бұрын
It could have been swapped out by a previous owner. Counterfeit Morgans have also been found in GSA cases.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
26 күн бұрын
It's not counterfeit... It was already authenticated by NGC. It also passes a Sigma metal test.
@chrishoward7645
7 ай бұрын
There are clear abrasion marks on the coin going from the devices to the fields. It is clearly been cleaned. Every one of these lesser known grading companies that pop up are because someone thought they could grade as well or better than the big companies. Hate to tell you but unc details is the correct grade. You got maybe a $250 coin there if not less as 1884 cc is a common date morgan from Carson City.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the input... I agree, however I'm pretty sure if I listed this on eBay it would easily sell for over $300 with the toning and GSA holder. Although, I'm just going to keep it ungraded in the collection anyway since I don't have anything quite like it in a GSA holder.
@SilverStruck
Жыл бұрын
I wish you kept that n the PCGS holder....who has a GSA coin with a cleaned designation?...never seen one until now.
@biggsmpbiggs4045
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! A unexpected grade is not always that bad. I do love how he's like that he would prefer no grade!
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Жыл бұрын
Interesting... I didn't think about it that way! Makes me wonder what percentage of people would consider that would add 'value' whether monetary or subjectively?
@SilverStruck
Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaAndersonLife Hard to say of course. I would have listed it up for auction at Stacks or Heritage as an error grade. Those coins were taken from the bank bag and put into holders by collage kids back in the 1970's- cleaned...I really do not think so.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Жыл бұрын
It is strange at the very least. I guess arguably I can keep the case and the label, and a nice upside is that it's Gold Shield so it's entered into PCGS's database with photos. So technically I could continue to claim the cleaned designation was given to the coin... I completely agree that it was very unlikely "cleaned" given what we know about the history of these and how they pretty much literally went from a mint bag into the GSA holders. You definitely got me thinking more about this topic!
@jrpcoins
2 ай бұрын
@@SilverStruckI think it was a college kid who saw a small scuff and tried to “wipe” it off. Who knows if they were being paid based on how many nice examples they were able to place in the “uncirculated silver dollar” sets compared to the regular “silver dollar” set that was meant for coins with a ms61 grade or lower and all the “uncirculated” slabs were meant for anything that was a cc an above 62+
@rogerkinard7446
Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that someone spent a rather good amount of money, at least percentage wise compared to its value, in certifying a low-grade, common-date 1884-CC G.S.A. Morgan Dollar. It appears to me to grade Mint State-60 with some attractive toning.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Жыл бұрын
I've personally never sent any GSA Morgans in for grading, and wouldn't have with this one either. I don't think you're far of from the grade... It's the full obverse toning that makes this one appealing at least IMO.
@biggsmpbiggs4045
Жыл бұрын
My question is why!! 12:14 answered the question. You Sir are savage! " I don't need this sticker telling me it's been cleaned." With the beautiful toning it's obvious that it hasn't been cleaned. There is a slight bit of ware. I think PCGS got this one wrong.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Жыл бұрын
Thank you...! I'm impressed you made it to 12:14 😆
@SilverStruck
Жыл бұрын
Agree- not cleaned
@biggsmpbiggs4045
Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaAndersonLife I have watched this multiple times today I'm intrigued.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Жыл бұрын
That's good to hear! I'm glad I didn't add some 'elevator music' I considered during the cutting... in hind sight it probably would have been torcher to listen too! Thanks for watching!
@tom_morgandealer_pgh1648
Жыл бұрын
Ya that color is to good to leave in a cleaned holder. pcgs should have down grade it and gave a star not give it cleaned label. thanks for the video i didnt know gsa could get cleaned
@JoshuaAndersonLife
Жыл бұрын
All my same thoughts as well!
@acousticshadow4032
5 ай бұрын
I agree with PCGS on this one. Honestly, that's TOO MUCH toning, and the scratch marks are self-evident. I wouldn't want it.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, I don't disagree about the scratches. However, the toning ads significant premium to the value on this Morgan. While toning isn't for everyone it's quite nice on this coin and definitely adds value to those who like toning.
@acousticshadow4032
5 ай бұрын
@@JoshuaAndersonLife ~ I am not unfamiliar with toning, JA. What I said is this coin has TOO MUCH of it. One might like whiskey, too; but that doesn't mean they want to drink a keg of it. The toning on this coin is so egregious, it places the source into question; especially when one factors in the scratches. Just one opinion.
@JoshuaAndersonLife
5 ай бұрын
Monster toning or toning that covers the entire side of the coin is always more desirable than partial toning. Just take a look at eBay comps. I'm a member of a toned Morgan group on Facebook that has a few thousand members in it and I assure you everyone would prefer the toning on this coin over partial toning. But to each their own.
@acousticshadow4032
5 ай бұрын
@@JoshuaAndersonLife ~ What next, JA; my Daddy can beat up your Daddy? 😂
@donald3320
18 күн бұрын
Pcgs over rated so is ngc a true collector likes them raw so they can touch and handle them with gloves and maybe get one of there grandkids into the hobby i will pass my coins to one of my grandkids hopefully just my opinion i am 69 years old and i love history and art and again maybe one of my grandkids will too my grandmother gave me some of my coins for the same reason again just my opinion take it for what that is worth. Thanks for posting.❤
@JoshuaAndersonLife
18 күн бұрын
I agree, however grading is helpful if someone plans to sell something especially if it's on the higher grade side. Otherwise I'm with you, I prefer raw for the most part.
@donald3320
18 күн бұрын
@@JoshuaAndersonLife thanks for the comment Joshua I have sentimental connections with a few of my coins my grandmother gave me other than that if I were in dire straight I would sell some of the coins I have collected in my life but I would pass the ones on to my grandkids like my grandmother did for me to get in the hobby if they were interested thanks again your fellow collector Don 👍👍😍👍
@JoshuaAndersonLife
18 күн бұрын
@donald3320 yes, I plan to do the same with my collection!
@donald3320
18 күн бұрын
@@JoshuaAndersonLife great job good to relate to someone who who thinks on the dame lines very few left in this day and age thanks for your response Don 👍👍
@donald3320
18 күн бұрын
I meant same lines I did not proof read before I sent last message Don
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