So yeah, like SliceyDicey pointed out, if they didn't have the second detent ball, then when you press the button, the first detent ball would disengage completely and the blade would 'fall out' in many positions, making it, depending on the legal definition, either a 'gravity knife' or an automatic. So, it's not just to strengthen the detent, but to make it such that the knife would remain closed even when the button is pressed and skirt those (stupid) laws.
@jameshewettjr.3147
5 жыл бұрын
Kevin Smock did say that Spyderco added a secondary detent
@boredandagitated
5 жыл бұрын
Oh that’s smart. Wouldn’t be able to be carried in LA if it just fell out
@NewAgeofAwesome
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s what the Smock guy said in his update video a long time ago when we thought we’d get this in 2018
@savethemanual5960
5 жыл бұрын
boredandagitated you can’t carry it in LA due to blade length anyway
@boredandagitated
5 жыл бұрын
tron tim not the end all be all but knife rights has LA and State laws both allowing manual folders. >3” just can’t be open carried. And if the cop is really being a jerk clipped to a pocket can qualify as open carry since the clip is showing.
@SliceyDicey
5 жыл бұрын
I think the second detent was because it couldn't drop open with the button because of legalities or something. I think I remember Eric saying that in a video and adding the second detent was why it was delayed.
@NickShabazz
5 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense. Otherwise it's a classic "gravity knife".
@ryanlohrenz190
5 жыл бұрын
Weirdly, if you don’t press the button, it works exactly like a classic gravity knife. Just try and fling the blade out, and it comes right open. It doesn’t free drop, but it definitely opens. Also oddly. The detent isn’t all the strong. It’s adequate, for sure, but not super strong.
@ryanlohrenz190
5 жыл бұрын
And l since I don’t live in a gravity knife hating state, I think I might just take the second detent ball out.
@geldan
5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanlohrenz190 that's probably why the second detent is constructed the way it is
@KruzerOak
5 жыл бұрын
A law suit has reached supreme court review regarding New York knife regulations and the "gravity" and "intent" issues.
@E1337N3SS
5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you took this apart before I got one because I damn well would have lost that ball 🤣
@NickShabazz
5 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's a big part of the reason for posting this, too.
@E1337N3SS
5 жыл бұрын
@@NickShabazz I even read about the double detent before this. I figured it was going to be something more Emerson style. I never would have thought to just use a spring instead of making another pseudo lockbar. Neat stuff
@mo8iusdesign430
4 жыл бұрын
I took my 3rd one apart and lost the spring, d’oh! Still works REALLY well without it.
@davisssamuel
5 жыл бұрын
The title should've been "Nick has a knifegasm on video"
@mattsliepka1432
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds painful 🤔
@Thisguydoesstuff
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick, just wanted to say that the simple act of you closing your videos by wishing me a wonderful rest of the day is really pleasant. It's the small things like that that keep me coming back time after time, even if it's a review of a product I'm not really interested in (This one is not the case, I VERY much want a Smock).
@Bretandmarisa
5 жыл бұрын
I hope that button compression lock makes a come back in some newer knives. Thanks as always for the videos Nick!
@Danielsworlds
5 жыл бұрын
yup, im in love. get an aftermarket clip and take my money
@sagepini9844
5 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest here. It's absolutely fantastic. Why would Spyderco even go back to using regular compression locks now? The push button compression lock is a huge improvement.
@jagpilotohio
3 жыл бұрын
The extra detent ball and spring may be innovative, but I must say I much prefer mine without them. They reside in a tiny bag inside the original box now. The action is actually much better with it gone. Totally drop shut now.
@SliceyDicey
5 жыл бұрын
Smock! Smock smock, smock! SMOCK SMOCK!!!
@mattfinish2196
5 жыл бұрын
By grabthar's hammer!
@mitchelldelmar9682
5 жыл бұрын
Take those suction cups off - you’re driving everyone crazy!
@kookamunga4714
5 жыл бұрын
i know a calvin and hobbes reference when i see one!
@Peteyrich93
5 жыл бұрын
I need this knife in my life is it worth selling several knives though??
@Saverio49
3 жыл бұрын
The second detent hinders the action of the knife. When I removed it, "spider flips" and back flips were easy. Save the ball and spring if ever you need to sell the knife in original condition. Otherwise, remove that silly detent and make a beautiful knife even better.
@kyleralph1778
5 жыл бұрын
Who else really wishes they'd make this in Colorado
@ericgreaves3090
5 жыл бұрын
Here's another one...Who else wishes they would drop the CF laminate and just do a nicely finished G-10. The laminate just reminds me of those atrocious CF stickers you see on vehicles. Either do carbon fiber or don't. No faking it.
@american1911
5 жыл бұрын
After watching your disassembly video, I took mine apart and left out the second detent and spring. Works smoother, thanks for the great video.
@GUNSnDOZES
3 жыл бұрын
THAAAANK YOU! I was thinking about doing the same thing but wasn’t sure if it would screw up the knife. But MAN what an improvement!
@interamerichanic
Жыл бұрын
@@GUNSnDOZES Just FYI, I tried it both ways, and without the second catch counterpresssure on the blade, it has noticeably more side-to-side play between open and closed. Check it out.
@interamerichanic
Жыл бұрын
You know, I did exactly what you warned us not to and lost the second detent ball-simply gone! But don't despair, fellow klutzes, if it happens to you. I popped a ball from an extra bearing I had lying around, dropped it in, and it's working fine!
@danokitemanotoo1791
4 жыл бұрын
I just received the 20CV version yesterday and I'm buying Smock's red g-10 scales to give it more pop. Thanks for the great video, I wanted to see how easy it was to disassemble and put back together!
@mchipman7879
5 жыл бұрын
Where the hell is the one I preordered over a year ago!?
@mickkeim4142
5 жыл бұрын
m chipman, wow, really...that’s crazy. Where did you buy it?
@mchipman7879
5 жыл бұрын
@@mickkeim4142 preordered from bladehq 370 days ago... haven't heard a word
@1cody2williamson3
5 жыл бұрын
@@mchipman7879 April 6th last year, here. EDIT: If you search on their website, it says Coming Soon over the knife.
@AnketK12
5 жыл бұрын
They're sending em out in waves I think, I got my shipping notification today.
@chazfromtheburg
5 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing. pre-ordered one the same day Blade HQ opened it up. I never heard a word from them... So I contacted them and their reply was that I didn't get in on the first batch, and now I "might" get in by May. So I found one through another dealer and already have it in hand. The system Blade HQ uses for pre-orders is a joke. Never again for me.
@aria8928
5 жыл бұрын
two detents, maybe they've made it for us Canadians XD
@michaelmoore5938
5 жыл бұрын
The one I ordered is still in the mail. So while I haven't handled one yet, I can't help but think of how good a wire clip would be on it.
@doctoruttley
4 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaaawwwwwweeeeeesssssooooommmmmeeeeee! .🤘🏻😜
@nicholsliwilson
5 жыл бұрын
Really? Nobody’s done a “2 balls” pun? I mean I know it’s low hanging… fruit but really, nobody’s grabbed theirs? Alright then. Testicles.
@1968gadgetyo
5 жыл бұрын
Of S30V steel?
@nicholsliwilson
5 жыл бұрын
Gadget yoyo LOL! 😄
@nickkendall3764
5 жыл бұрын
6am watching nick shabazz on low volume ...............i feel dirty hahahah!
@vikingfury2065
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad it’s bearings, I wish it was washers
@E1337N3SS
5 жыл бұрын
Second detent was one of the reasons the thing took so damn long. They didnt want it to be able to accidentally actuate if something hit the button. Also helps with gravity knife laws I guess(?)
@ohioknifelover
5 жыл бұрын
Finally a Smock
@tory6733
5 жыл бұрын
That’s the most overly complicated knife mechanism I have ever seen... I want it!
@listenup455
5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure this knife will have a better fall shut action if you remove the secondary detent. I handled the prototype at a show last year that didn't have the secondary detent and the action was insanely good. I imagine the constant pressure it will apply to the blade will slow down the close and also make it so you can't flip it open just by depressing the button.
@iiit6608
5 жыл бұрын
I can confirm. I took out the 2nd detent and oiled everything. Blade falls free and shuts with no wrist action whatsoever. Plus you can open it by just pressing the button.
@KruzerOak
5 жыл бұрын
Holy fuck! The smock! Finally!
@alphamale1568
5 жыл бұрын
The blade stock looks too thick for you. Maybe if it were a full flat grind it would be better, but this doesn't seem like God's gift to slicing. You're gonna be wedging open your apples. Nope, you don't love the blade. Sorry, Nick. : )
@devon08059
2 жыл бұрын
Yes the Smock is the button lock that stands out. Spyderco delica is a good knife. Long live SPYDERCO.
@chazfromtheburg
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, Nick. Great job, as always! I love the knife. I think it is a real gem for this price point. There are several ways it could have been better. The clip is awful, but that can be fixed easily. The detent on mine isn't great out of the box, but I assume it will improve as it breaks in. All in all, I am extremely happy with mine. (learned a valuable lesson on Blade HQ pre-order system. I will never use that again btw)
@kaiserherman7914
5 жыл бұрын
I deeply love the bladeshape. One of the first spidercos that spark my intrest.
@nicks8808
Жыл бұрын
Thanks again Nick, great video, so informative, I just installed set of Reylight titanium frag scales, that 2nd detent can be a bit tricky, lovin the Smock .Cheers Nick 👍
@loganbabcock6179
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, Spyderco grew a pair.
@doolyskating
5 жыл бұрын
Nick, why you cleaning things and then placing them on that crusty mat??
@NickShabazz
5 жыл бұрын
The mat just needs some cleaning itself.
@cainkopczynskie6296
5 жыл бұрын
When the clip is like that i think it acts more for finger placement while closing the knife but could be wrong
@aaronkahn-bork1120
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the preview! Stock mentioned the secondary detent in one of his update videos, I was about to explain Spyderco’s rationale and just noticed you’re already on top of it.
@SCSRACINGTEAM
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Do you have a link to the Precision Screwdriver your using? Looks money.
@stevecrawford7814
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I’m two left hands, all thumbs, can not follow directions. Your video made it pretty easy. Thank you!
@JJGuccione
8 ай бұрын
I must ask, is Sol Rosenberg your 1st cousin? Great VDO Thank You.
@darrenhill7286
5 жыл бұрын
This knife.... this fucking knife. I have so much want but live in the UK and flippers are a no no; even more so with the upcoming changes to the offensive weapons act. But this knife... I have so much want.
@twiceborn_by_grace
3 жыл бұрын
Was that legitimate fear I heard in your voice when you said, “holy crap. That’s a spring.”? 😂
@jtoth1995
5 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you released this video! I’ve been wondering how they did the second detent since I heard about it a few months ago. It’s nice that it’s so easily removed and reversible if one were to want to put it back. I understand they had to do it for compliance reasons, but it’s nice that we who don’t live in places with ridiculous laws can easily take it out and make the knife better for free.
@davisssamuel
5 жыл бұрын
Minus the clip and lanyard hole, the Smock if for sure a gem!
@Liberty-Works1111
4 жыл бұрын
You would never have made it as a watch maker... You are ALL fingers! lol I'm glad you did the vid though:) thanks!
@kenhamrick6670
5 жыл бұрын
Waiting to see you put it back together...
@basp-ef7jx
5 жыл бұрын
Knife looks like it almost has a bottle opener at the choil, don't love that look. Other than that it looks knice. Yep. I said knice. It's gonna be a thing.
@ianleicester7066
Жыл бұрын
thanks for the detailed video nick, this one is a bit tricky ............👊👊
@OhshitPositive
5 жыл бұрын
At 7:10 there's a detent ball ramp. My Spyderco Smock does NOT have that and I can tell :(
@kyleralph1778
5 жыл бұрын
I would have already bought it if made in us but don't like supporting non us made knives
@spiderdavis3296
4 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants one check The Knife Joker.The 1st 4 dealers were sold out.
@marcdelaval106
5 жыл бұрын
Action is better without the secondary detent ball ! Just like a PM2
5 жыл бұрын
This looks like a fake no model spyderco you'd get on some Chinese website.
@vlkafenryka788
5 жыл бұрын
Could probably get the lynch spyderco pm3 clip that’s offset of the lanyard hole for considerably deeper carry
@1968gadgetyo
5 жыл бұрын
Well Kevin Smock did said there is a lot of after market clip for deep carry. But that is extra $$ for me. Like $30 for a titanium clip. and another $30 for shipping. (I'm not in USA.) And I really dun like knife tip peeping from my pocket. People here are paranoid on knife.
@vlkafenryka788
5 жыл бұрын
Gadget yoyo sorry America centric just suggesting that one specifically since the ... arc of the clip is offset so it doesn’t cover the lanyard hole but yeah they are 30 bucks
@blueeyeswhitedragon9839
5 жыл бұрын
@@1968gadgetyo :- I agree about the clip. In Canada, I'm still waiting for the knife...and I suspect that the second detent's removal / blade drop possibility is holding the knife up at Customs...it could be modified to be a gravity knife. Almost afraid to say it (who is listening) but since the dealer has not confirmed delivery from Spyderco, I don't think it made it across the border. So, I guess I'll hold off on buying that deep carry clip.
@landonjones676
3 жыл бұрын
Does the detent spring need to be removed with the ball altogether to get rid of the second detent? I’d like for the knife to just drop open and shut
@UrbanWoodsman87
5 жыл бұрын
I just got Mine yesterday evening. Took itapart today to dye the scales. I was supper careful taking it apart extreamly slow and easy as to not loose that second detent ball and It was all good EXCEPT there was no spring. The ball did roll out slowly onto a cheep thin fridge magnet (one of those business card magnets) I laid right on my cleaning mat. No Spring??? Do I call Spyderco and ask if this is a manufacturing error or a slight modification done between batches????
@dsknives310
5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful knife....Wire clip & better hole & it’s perfect! thanx for the deconstruct & review. Very helpful as usual.
@fireman614c9
3 жыл бұрын
were can i get one the hex drivers u used in this video im sick of the walmart driver i have they keep breaking on me
@James-blond007
Жыл бұрын
What about the spring? What holds that in place the scale?
@KevinTheStallion637
5 жыл бұрын
"This is so weeyahd"
@AudibleVisibIe
2 жыл бұрын
This knife sucks to disassemble/reassemble 😂
@WillEDC
4 жыл бұрын
This double detent also reminds me of the CKF terra which has 2 detent balls. One always touching the blade
@Cherokie89
2 жыл бұрын
I took that second detent out and this knife feels 100 percent better.
@DrakeDragonheart
5 жыл бұрын
Still just a cheap looking thing. Shame they couldn't have classed it up, would've been nice to have a high end button lock flipper from spyderco.
@Boxterr17
5 жыл бұрын
whens review coming?
@NickShabazz
5 жыл бұрын
Give me a few weeks.
@rabbivj
5 жыл бұрын
i want this...One thing i wish more knife companies would do is go to Ceramic Ball Bearings vs Stainless Steel...i switched 2 of my ZTs to Ceramic Ball Bearings and the action is SOO much better...
@ryansmock2717
4 жыл бұрын
I was replacing the scales on my Smock, the second detent ball and spring came out and I had no idea where they came from. Immediately went here and discovered where to put it and what it was. I've never seen 2 detent balls before so I was freaking out! Thanks, Nick for helping me out
@e.t.preppin7084
5 жыл бұрын
Nick I’m just as impressed with your torx tools as with your disassembly. Can you put out a link to your tools. Oh crap you’ve mentioned that before. Is it in the description. I’ll check. Boy I will feel really small if it’s there 😂. If not can you repost your lil tool package. Thanks
@NickShabazz
5 жыл бұрын
There's a video on my knife disassembly toolkit.
@Thisguydoesstuff
5 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/jnt42XVsr4uan3o This is his review on those specific drivers
@ocomegashadowstacking5886
5 жыл бұрын
Really awesome looking knife,
@mattmanyam
5 жыл бұрын
Nick... (Pedant mode engaged) This isn't "peel-ply". Peel-ply is full cf that has a texture created by "peeling" a layer of material that was applied prior to curing, that has the reverse of the desired texture. See the CF PM 2 for 'correct' peel-ply. (This is simply cf/g10 laminate). I assume this has the "Basket-weave" texture like the sage1, Gayle Bradleys, et. al.?
@mo8iusdesign430
4 жыл бұрын
Sooo, I have 3 now. 2 modified by Kevin and one mostly stock, except I took the polished g10 scales off the KnifeJoy 20cv and took off the peel-ply. When I did that, I stupidly lost the spring for the 2nd detent. But...the action is actually better without it. Who knew.
@NDeemz
5 жыл бұрын
Bruh I want it
@ohioknifelover
5 жыл бұрын
Nadeem Halasah It’s pretty cool
@DannySimsABI
Жыл бұрын
So tonight, evidently four years after you posted this video, my wife and I were taking apart my relatively new Smock to put in some Skiff bearings. We got flummoxed, frustrated, and confused. In short this video saved a lot more frustration. Probably too dramatic to say it saved a marriage but I just wanted you to know, this video was incredibly helpful. You know I’m a fan like so many. But a deeply appreciative fan who leans on you, again like so many do. Thanks!
@Tmankiller72
5 жыл бұрын
Grind out a little and chamfer the sharpening/finger choil ( maybe a little jimping) , get rid of the lanyard hole and put the wire clip on it towards the end for a deeper carry. Put real carbon fiber scales ( Kapara or like my Knifecenter exclusive Manix). If possible get rid of the full steel liners by just using the CF scales and compression lock liner(PM2) . You probably would have a perennial top seller for years to come.
@Jaysedc
3 жыл бұрын
Just ordered me one an not sure if I wanna remove the detent ball or
@IlliniDog01
5 жыл бұрын
If it was like 1/4" shorter in handle and blade, had the Spydie wire clip and no lanyard hole it would already be in my pocket. I'll probably get one anyway, but it would be my ideal knife with those small tweaks. As it is, I'm loving my Massdrop Zinker Dogtooth Liner Lock right now and waiting for this to be back in stock at my local knife shop.
@spiderdavis3296
4 жыл бұрын
You are like a kid on Christmas morning as you take your Smock apart.Removing the pocket clip improves the egos ..Much more comfortable without it.Thanks for posting.
@mj1653
5 жыл бұрын
Meh I'll pass. The time it took for this to be released kind of killed it for me. Still waiting on the Drunken tho! I'm a total slut for sinkevich. I'm getting a kidney removed soon to help pay for it!
@NomenclaturalMan
5 жыл бұрын
I'd really like a Drunken too man, love love love Sinkevich designs. It's outta my price range for now but I'm looking forward to hearing if it earns its $400+ price tag
@gmotionedc5412
5 жыл бұрын
I love the knife except for the front finger hump/choil/ no choil weird ergo issue. Hopefully V2 improves that.
@IamTheInsideOutsider
5 жыл бұрын
I absolutely appreciate that they are improving the detent and avoiding running afoul of silly laws. However I can't help but wonder if there was not a way to do that with a captured ball? I'm not saying they should have copied Emerson's system but this would make me a little more nervous than IKBS.
@sk8r4lf138
3 жыл бұрын
It's really great that you had this video up, I just cleaned my cousins for him, and if I hadn't known that second ball wasn't captured, I'd be buying him a new knife. 🥲
@Rocko-sp9cj
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick!! You helped me out. I took my smock apart and I could not figure out where that little spring came from. Two detent balls does make it smoother. You’re an ace!!
@Jcestanley
Жыл бұрын
Thank god you made this video…got my smock in today and had already received an order for a new handle. I replace one side and had trouble with the second side when the liner lock or some larger pin fell out so then I had to take it all apart when that stupid tiny ball came out! Then..to make matters worse I see a tiny spring! That’s when I turned to KZitem and of course you always make great vids. I’m lucky you made this. Thank you.
@deadpoollee9497
3 жыл бұрын
The ball is magnetized at least mine was.
@deadmanrunning6670
5 жыл бұрын
Gee whiz, Spyderco, I'm still waiting for mine to land on the doorstep; come on guys!
@jeffellis662
5 жыл бұрын
I am really liking the looks of this knife! I wish the blade was only 3”, but at least the cutting edge being under 3” might get by..If the cop isn’t mad at you ;) still want to buy one!
@PracticalMinimalist
4 жыл бұрын
Man... I should have watched this before opening mine! One I removed the scales, there goes the second detent ball, stop pin, and tiny spring! Took me forever to find everything and another long time trying to keep the spring and detent ball in place for assembly. Thanks for this video!
@robgoose8126
5 жыл бұрын
Would it have killed them to actually use carbon fiber? Cheesy CF stickers over G10 is a no go.
@plausible.deaniability
2 жыл бұрын
i cannot center the smock for the life of me
@petergrams6390
4 жыл бұрын
So I got a smock from my fiancee over the weekend (I know, she's great) and I was excited to take it apart and check it all out. I had to come back and check this video out to be sure I wasn't mistaken...my smock has no detent ball ramp. I'm not sure if this was a production run change or an issue with mine alone. I will be looking into it more, but I thought I'd post here first to see if anyone seeing this (or nick) has any info about this.
@e.t.preppin7084
5 жыл бұрын
Nick I’m really KZitem illiterate,sorry!!! I just wanna get my hands on your fancy torx driver !!!
@herb414
4 жыл бұрын
What lubricant are you using when putting the knife back together for use?
@herb414
3 жыл бұрын
@Fred Sanchez thank you for the response.
@svent1000
5 жыл бұрын
Nice looking knife from spyderco. Not to fond of flippers, this ball bearing pivot is in my eyes a weak point, but it is pretty good looking knife- to be a spyderco. The look appeals to me. Probably not a knife to carry in the woods here up in the north thou.
@ilyaswanson6469
2 жыл бұрын
Is this your real voice?
@regularhumanbeing5211
4 жыл бұрын
TLDR: *smock explodes its parts upon disassembly*
@danzigrulze5211
5 жыл бұрын
I really want to love this knife but there are things that put me off from purchasing one.. The pocket clip seems like a big miss, not to mention the huge lanyard hole, and the fact that the blade is a hollow grind as opposed to a full flat like most Spyderco knives.
@Ryomichi
5 жыл бұрын
Well, the second detent ball shoot out when you disassemble because it is spring loaded. If youu loose it you're screwed. You may also loose that detent spring too. The design is worse than pen spring youve been complaining because at least the pen refill holds its spring.
@roberttaylor9298
Жыл бұрын
This video saved me. Thanks!
@stevenhughes6930
5 жыл бұрын
yeah the 2nd detent isn't to strengthen the detent, its to keep the blade from accidentally coming out... sucks that you cant just press the button and whip it out like you can with an axis lock but if you could it wouldn't be safe.
@85bcole
4 жыл бұрын
Just got mine in the mail today..Doesn't seem to be a detent ball ramp on new batch and mine was pretty gritty out of the box.. Other than that its a pretty nice knife...Great vid
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