I just realized that you missed a golden chance, Chase. You could've called this video "What the shell?"
@shayden4296
4 жыл бұрын
Oh imagine SAP for battleships, no more overpens on cruisers :D
@PMMagro
4 жыл бұрын
Impero!
@juliankonikkara4133
3 жыл бұрын
@@PMMagro its bad now i mean u can get juicy pens but against u just do 50 more dmg than an ap over pen
@SDZ675
4 жыл бұрын
This whole video is basically one giant spreadsheet. WG approves.
@DJVC1985
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but this spreadsheet is usefull and doesn't ruin everybodies fun. It also has 0 CVs, so it gets a double seal of approval.
@edlloyd1473
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone got a link for that spreadsheet? I dont have the mobile data to hop around too many videos
@grandgao3984
4 жыл бұрын
*Great guide!* Gonna be very useful for those who have not considered such aspects. Need to point out though that Henri / super-cruisers overmatch the bow/stern/upperbelt of the high tier RN light cruisers as well (16mm everywhere), and Smolensk/Colbert bow/stern as I remembered. Another few points to add: Against Tier 6 dds and above, low cal. AP's don't overmatch, and higher caliber AP's do not pen for massive dmg, only overpen dmg. So it is advisable to switch to HE at times for DDs, if you are shooting guns, as I remember, 283mm or bigger. If the volley is ideal, each landed hit would deal some 40%+ more dmg compared to just scoring overpen dmg with AP. Also, HE is great if the target has just blew its dmg con. (except if it's a Russian bias BB or carrier cancer). In competitive even BBs shoot HE at times at focused targets for that max fire-stacking capacity.
@hailitalia86
4 жыл бұрын
203mm HE and higher will pen all the RU BBs. You should absolutely use HE if a RU BB is staying bow on.
@grandgao3984
4 жыл бұрын
@@hailitalia86 Yeah.. good luck with that. True that 203mm HE will pen 32mm, which represent the bow/stern of RU BB's, and they have 19mm or so superstructure as well. If spammed for free for a good 5 min, they could go down. But, 32mm is not enough for the deck, or upper belt, and some got eaten by the AA mounts. Plus that RU BBs have a very large HP pool, dmg con that CD extremely fast, and maybe the legendary capt. which heals even more when the ship's about to go down... and the fact that RU BBs are still OP and insanely accurate at closer ranger, making prolonged accurate spam unlikely, you see that the DPM with 32mm+ pen might be not that sufficient.
@hailitalia86
4 жыл бұрын
@@grandgao3984 I can do 6-12k on the regular on a bow on or the side of a Kremlin with my Zao. Just gotta be a good shot. The superstructure gets saturated so fast. I did 12k the other night in my Brindisi when i had the Soyuz's side fora few salvos at 10km cuz I aimed for its ass. My clan mate dropped 15k on a Kremlin with Venezia at mid/close range, was hillarious. They are stupid strong, but people don't know where to aim when spamming them half the time.
@grandgao3984
4 жыл бұрын
@@hailitalia86 That's true, I once did a 20k volley on a Yamato's stern with Hinden AP. Showing enough vulnerabilities and even Harugumo AP will hurt them. Still takes a long time though, and if the BB has good positioning and support, outtrading one for prolonged periods would still be hard.
@TheAngelobarker
4 жыл бұрын
*cries in roma using sap as he and not having it's real he shell* one day Roma you'll have proper citadel,range, accuracy,and shells.
@theexcaliburone5933
3 жыл бұрын
@Obsidian Rose yea: cries in Roma using sap as he and not having it’s real he shell; one day Roma you’ll have proper citadel, range, accuracy, and shells.
@theexcaliburone5933
3 жыл бұрын
@Obsidian Rose yea: cries in Roma using sap as he and not having it’s real he shell; one day Roma you’ll have proper citadel, range, accuracy, and shells.
@theexcaliburone5933
3 жыл бұрын
@Obsidian Rose it makes complete sense in my comment, I have no idea what kind of an abomination yours is though. If you want me to re word it in a different way I can do that too
@sealight78
3 жыл бұрын
*its
@theexcaliburone5933
3 жыл бұрын
@Obsidian Rose I would just like to apologize for being a terrible person, you’re comment wasn’t an abomination it just was a little poorly punctuated
@larryboles629
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again, and again. Watching studying, practicing, your videos have helped me so much. Part of the reason is you are talking to your audience, not talking "AT" your audience. Keep it rolling bro.
@cobrazax
4 жыл бұрын
henri can also overmatch high tier british cruisers front and rear. german DDs have awesome AP dmg so they should focus with AP on ANY broadside target they can pen. if enemy DD is thick enough or angled enough, AP will shred it. 100mm IJN DDs also shred ANY light armor broadside with AP, including DDs. british high tier DDs also do that with AP on broadsides.
@Leptospirosi
4 жыл бұрын
There is also the tricky problem of SAP improving the autobounce angle as the tier goes up to worth discussing....
@GorinRedspear
4 жыл бұрын
Stupid question. Stalinium shells with extra gulag damage!
@FeathorFerengi
4 жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind: If you have a captain that has the improved Expert Loader, use that skill. Montana with Halsey or John Doe has 7.5s switching time for Ammo. To see if EL makes sense for your boat with your captain, look at the reload you have. BB reload, aka 30 secs give or take? Improved EL makes sense as that cuts the time to around 7 to 8 seconds, depending on your reload. Normal EL, which cuts that time in half, is more of an option, as cutting the value to around 15 seconds is more questionable. CB reload: 22 seconds or lower. Normal EL is viable. Improved EL is very much a must-have. CA reload: 16 - 10 seconds. EL is a good choice, improved EL allows you very quick reaction to opportunities CL reload: Sub 10 seconds. If you're a CL, you might not need it as HE is basically the option of choice, Des Moines/Salem do profit from EL/Improved EL, however. DD reload: Sub 5 seconds. EL isn't really needed, just clear your barrels and load the other ammo type. I must say, I pity every nation that doesn't have a captain with improved EL. That skill is so damn useful.
@howardxu8050
4 жыл бұрын
There is a problem with EL choice on BBs, if even one turret is reloading all turrets will reload at full duration.
@doducduy96
4 жыл бұрын
True. I have John Doe on my Alaska with 4sec ammo switch. I cant count how many times a CA or CL sneaked up on me full broadside intending to torps or cit me when I’m HE-ing further away BBs and got deleted 5 secs later.
@MrShortrounds
4 жыл бұрын
Dude, Atlanta AP close range is a cit monster. I blaped 2 CA at 5km with ap and survived.
@terryvanicelli267
3 жыл бұрын
This was a very good presentation. I've been playing about 2 years and these questions are just starting to pop up. But I do have an issue that I'm wish I've been on this discussion. You're insights on 12Use the Bass Hughes option Or the fire starter option on cruiser shells would be very Interesting
@bobleonard99
Жыл бұрын
You failed to mention the uses for specialty ammo such as SAP, Demolition Expert shells and Inertia Fuse HE shells.
@TiOBu4
4 жыл бұрын
My HE is better, go away. Baka haha
@epiphany8099
4 жыл бұрын
exactly when I needed
@justindhra
4 жыл бұрын
that's very useful knowledge.. thankyou very much bro
@grumpasalty3859
4 жыл бұрын
Surprised your still playing this game with WG's antics.
@Lost459
4 жыл бұрын
British Heavy Cruiser's? I know their not out yet but getting pretty close. Could be interesting with their larger gun calibres.
@teemu3370
4 жыл бұрын
Smolensk can do good 5-8K salvos with AP on the SS of BB's.
@flaviosalatino8192
4 жыл бұрын
Once i rushed a yamato 3 kms away who had the gun pointed the other way. I didn't even use the torps, I scored 10-12 and even a 16k salvo on him, in 18 seconds he disappeared
@matty_mccarthy
4 жыл бұрын
Smoles AP strong af
@doducduy96
4 жыл бұрын
Smolensk is the most broken ship in the game atm. At maximum range we have massive HE damage and up close massive AP dpm, and most bbs AP will just overpen Smolensk. Very frustrating.
@clefsan
4 жыл бұрын
new player here, so thanks for this guide :) I'd like to ask a question regarding overmatching: do I need to know/learn the armor values of each individual ship or is there some kind of grouping system (such as generally all cruisers/BBs at a certain tier having x mm bow/stern/deck/etc armor) or some other rule of thumb maybe? if there is such a thing, maybe it could be a good topic for another of these guide videos :)
@flaviosalatino8192
4 жыл бұрын
Talking about extremities: Tier 3 bbs: 16mm ( 230mm+ to overmatch) Tier 4-5: 19mms ( 280mm+) Tier 6-7 25mms ( 360mm+) Tier 8-10 32mms ( 460 only) There are some exceptions ( German bbs with 27mm upper bow and 50mm lower) Cruisers : Tier 2: 6mm everybody overmatch it Tier 3-4: 10mm ( 150mm+) Tier 5 : 13mm ( 190 mm+) Tier 6-7: 16mm ( 230mms) Tier 8-9: 25mms ( 360mm+) Tier 10: 27mms ( 400mm+) Here there are a crapton of exception
@clefsan
4 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for that overview :)
@snowfyre920
4 жыл бұрын
Just a question on BB AP/HE, on a bow-in BB on BB standoff in a bb that neither side can overmatch the opponent (and arent RN BBs), is it better to fire AP and aim above the hull to try to disable their guns and cause superstructure damage, or just fire HE at the opponent?
@hailitalia86
4 жыл бұрын
Id say HE at a ship that stays perfectly bow on and not opening up at all. Thats how I deal with the Russian BBs when im closing on them since even 203mm HE will pen all the RU BBs nose and ass. Now if they keep opening up to shoot their back guns or trying to bait a belt a shot, then you can put a good amount of AP shells into that superstructure and upper deck and get good pens.
@Rockstone1969
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks… and good sence of humor...
@FastAndFuryosa
3 жыл бұрын
What is overmatch?
@Neutralpointz
3 жыл бұрын
I've seed a lot of videos and the creators and/or streamers hit like 1-2 citadels /salvo reliably. I know it comes with experiance. But as a non experiences player I am here to seek guidance about lwer tier stuff. As a noob player i am facing an issue, that i don't know if my AP can pen my target thus, my salvos are not effective agains the opponent i am shooting at. Or if I shoot at a paper target, my overpen is gonna be an issue right? I am only at tier 4-5 at American BBs and I cannot get the machanics into my head right now. My aim is not the best but i've just started using the mod Chase recommended, i need to learn that. But If my shells hit the citadel area I rarely get any citadel hits. How can I reliably hit citadels? Also how to choose the best ammo type for lower tier ships? If I face against BBs? Should I try AP or stick witch HE? What about cruisers? I know that for a fact that I should'nt use HE for DD-s thats for sure. Is there a general rule of thumb? Or choosing a shell time also comes with experience? Is there a way in game (match) to see which shell is gonna be effective against my target? I know it depends on agling as well. But in general, to be able to learn that okay this is that ship, i should try with AP or with HE.
@cljjason5886
4 жыл бұрын
Regarding Italian AP on broadsiding BB upper belt armour-technically SAP has a higher alpha than AP, shouldn’t SAP be more efficient against BB’s that you can’t citadel?
@MidnightPhoenix07
4 жыл бұрын
The problem with SAP is it’s limited to 54mm pen for the 203s, so if the upper belt is thicker than that it will shatter your SAP while AP can still pen and do damage
@TheAngelobarker
4 жыл бұрын
The italian battleships don't have their sap war gaming coded them as he and ignored the real he shell.
@xenius7770
4 жыл бұрын
Should i use AP against BB's with Dunkerque ?
@dragoneye0979
4 жыл бұрын
I know its not out yet but what about paolo emilio?
@colbewells1487
3 жыл бұрын
What is dakka?
@juliankonikkara4133
3 жыл бұрын
now we have bb sap
@Arengeesus
4 жыл бұрын
Just use Nuclear shells on US ships. DONE!
@gchomuk
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe because I'm an old fart who never has been much of a gamer, but I often find myself trying to understand terms you use expecting everyone to understand what it means. This video, for example: ""dakka" or, um, "dakkadakkadakkadakkadakka". Whatever that means.
@TrebTrails
3 жыл бұрын
If you're being genuinely serious, Dakka Dakka is something shouted by Orks in Warhammer 40k, a fictional universe compromised numerous games, books, animations
@pureblood4386
4 жыл бұрын
"upper belt armour", where is this on a enemy ship?.
@TheyCalledMeT
4 жыл бұрын
it's not the line at sea level ;) not 100% sure you can generalize that .. but i would say directly below the deck to about 1/3 down .. stone me if i am wrong xD
@Ilikebacon_hi
4 жыл бұрын
Why am I watching this I don’t play world of warships
@kartofffrae4786
4 жыл бұрын
*Knowledge!* Plus, if you start, you can freak out other new players
@Chironex_Fleckeri
4 жыл бұрын
@@kartofffrae4786 im new and no one else seems to be new. Im on day 3 and its all ranked people in my gneisenau
@jeruelnathan1845
4 жыл бұрын
Lobster Johnson how did u get to Gneisenau in 3 days??
@Chironex_Fleckeri
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeruelnathan1845 Im playing pretty well for being new (terrible compared to what an average player is still)... mostly Ive played a TON. In 72 hours i had played about 200 games.
@kartofffrae4786
4 жыл бұрын
The world is full of mysteries 0.0
@archirnobenz
4 жыл бұрын
British ships be like... why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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