One advantage of using a Type 2 SPD is that it is still actively protecting the all panel circuits when your home's been switched over to generator power because a storm has caused commercial power to fail. Since a Type 2 SPD is on the load side of the main panel breaker it remains operational regardless whether the incoming power is from an alternate power source (generator) or from normal commercial power.
@TheFizz263
4 ай бұрын
Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
@cmr566
2 жыл бұрын
Electrical Trainee, Your videos are top tier for learning. Thanks a bunch!
@williamradwanski1998
2 жыл бұрын
I worked for Schneider electric / Square D. I recently moved in a new home in AZ. I recommend also installing surge protection on your central air conditioner outside disconnect box. I used A Square D model SDSA1175. It will help protect your compressor motor and electronics. On a interesting note the instructions mention if your leads are over 12 inches you should twist them together several times. Bill
@BenjaminSahlstrom
2 жыл бұрын
Great recommendation. Thanks for sharing!
@RowanHawkins
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't an inductive load like a motor better handle a surge?
@williamradwanski1998
Жыл бұрын
Yes a motor can handle a surge better. The surge protection in this application is installed more to protect the associated electronics in the hvac package. But there is another reason. Every time you start the compressor the inrush current causes a spike on your power line that can cause issues with other electronic equipment in your home.
@genuismensa
Жыл бұрын
@@williamradwanski1998 Wouldn't it be better to added another capacitor then? Its like your dam is running out of water because you didn't build the dam big enough. If it was the right size, it could handle the fluctuations in the line. I wish whole home power factor correction capacitors were common item.
@wallychambe1587
Жыл бұрын
@@genuismensa I know they recommend putting extra capacitor on the HVAC if you have a back up generator to make it easier on the generator when the compressor starts! The HVAC makers try to save a few pennies buy putting the minimum cap in!😪
@willhansen6922
Жыл бұрын
You are incorrect about connecting it to the neutral. You want the surge shunted to ground. Doesnt make any difference in a main service. In a sub panel you would connect it to the ground bar or case not neutral. Keep the objectional current off the neutral.
@watermanone7567
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I use to work for a public electric utility in Mass. and had a customer that the washer and dryer were welded together with about a 2" hole blown between them when a lightening strike hit the transformer outside their property, another time a new coiled up extenstion cord blew up like spaghetti when hit with lightning, also blew out the surge protector on the side of the panel. Thanks for a great video.
@TheWilferch
7 ай бұрын
To be clear for others reading this.... SPD's won't protect from direct lightning strikes....right?
@asuarezjd
Жыл бұрын
Benjamin, new panels come with spade male terminals where you can connect directly to the service entrance connectors. I was happy to see mine did. I am glad you mentioned that is not allowed to insert in the same terminal as the service entrance conductors though, but the terminals now have that itty bitty little spade male thingy pointing up and with a 1/4 female spade terminal is a breeze and allowed. That is the beauty of the Type 1, no cannibalizing precious breaker real estate inside the distribution panel.
@MrNaliux
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣
@RAWms
Жыл бұрын
Since this is a sub panel, would it not be a code violation to land your neutral on the ground bar since bonding should only occur at the service entrance or main panel?
@brussels13207
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I worked for GE marketing MOVs. I have never seen so much incorrect info in one place before. They are NOT 1 shot devices. 1 device placed anywhere in circuit should protect whole circuit. A constant over voltage, NOT a spike, will cause device to fail since it is trying to keep voltage down. 3 wire devices ARE better, too complicated to explain here. One benefit of installing these, but this is never mentioned by manufacture, is that the life of your incandescent like bulbs will be significantly increased. Do install these, use 3 wire devices. Frequently spikes caused by lightning come from GROUND going very high, not HOT going high. Anyway, in spite of all the bad info, do install these.
@publicmail2
2 жыл бұрын
The more the better, and one on meter can is good per code, shortest wires is best. Most all of these under $100 use MOV's and the expensive ones use SASD diodes. The light checks circuit integrity, because these may be damaged after a big surge. I had some melt with sustained over voltage. Remember a power dip is not a surge. Good info here.
@rty1955
2 жыл бұрын
I ALWAYS change a MOV after a surge. i also had many change values after a surge
@publicmail2
2 жыл бұрын
@@rty1955 How do you test value, they are open till a specific voltage?
@im2yys4u81
2 жыл бұрын
I looked up the Square D Homeline and it's only good up to 900 joules. Do you know if installing two would make a difference? I'm putting these in a 100 amp Square D sub panel that is fed from a 200 amp Crouse-Hinds main that is outside. They don't make them for the Crouse-Hinds, but my sub is what feeds my lights, receptacles, tv's, and computer. Thanks.
@mitchmintz111
2 жыл бұрын
. Nice Job Again!
@publicmail2
2 жыл бұрын
@@im2yys4u81 Sure the more the better, i 've installed hundreds of those Square D's and they're ok, certainly more better expensive ones...They all parallel and add up.
@walsterdoomit
22 күн бұрын
Excellent video 👍 old school school wire strippers👍 healthy fear yeah fear. Of electricity. 👍 The torque driver is in the truck 😅 👍 The second click was exactly 35# 👍 One hit. After adjusting your wires in the chase retorque the wires / screws. So many times building industrial control panels I noticed the wires can loosen up after making tidy cleaning up bends etc 👍
@christianlogsdon6483
2 ай бұрын
So question. Got one of these (HEPD80). All of my top slots in the panel are taken by single pole 15A breakers. Toward the bottom of my panel is where I have 20-30A double pole breakers (well, AC, sub panel, dryer) can this be installed further down in the panel (i.e. slot 23 on my well breaker) or should I move my well breaker to slots 1&3 and swap two single pole breakers down to where the well breaker was. In this situation I’d have to extend some wires with wire nuts due to moving those circuits down.
@rustusandroid
2 жыл бұрын
Also remember, these are one shot deals. If it actually stops a huge surge, then you will need to buy a new one.
@racerdude888
2 жыл бұрын
☝
@brussels13207
2 жыл бұрын
You are wrong. These can take many shots. How many depends on how big the surge is.
@rustusandroid
2 жыл бұрын
@@brussels13207 You are wrong, because That's exactly what I said. Oh, and those "many shots" need to be very small. Anything real surge and it will fry. It's simply the nature of the science and the device.
@brussels13207
2 жыл бұрын
@@rustusandroid not the ones we sold. I don’t remember exact specs but as I remember them, a 20mm MOV would take 1 50,000 amps shot, maybe 50 10,000 shots. I direct hit just outside your house would give maybe 10,000 amps. We also made big ones for direct strikes, up to 100,000 amps. Very impressive to see them tested. We had test rig that could give 250,000 amp shots. Whole building would shake.
@rustusandroid
2 жыл бұрын
@@brussels13207 Give me the model or part number to this elusive device.
@mikeienuso1926
Жыл бұрын
19:49 Hi. I’m learning about Surge, UPS’s, AiPower Gen.7100iRD specifically, with less than 3THD’s and about THD. Total harmonic distortion. My concern is to have a clean Sine Wave going to my 130,000 btu 4 zone BURNHAM Boiler(Hot water baseboard), along with a AMTROL 80 gallon storage tank (separate zone valve) I do not want to Fry anything on Boiler/boards/zone valves/circulator pump/thermostat wiring/transformer, etc.Being the Gen. states less than 3THD, I still don’t trust it completely. So is there a device that mounts on the CB panel like the Type1 or 2 Surge protector or do I have to change from my on/off SWITCH on the Boiler to a 12/3 3 prong pigtail and when I turn on my Gen. then plug in my pigtail into a 1500va UPS (clean sine wave) first, then plug that into the Receptacle/Switch going into my boiler (no longer hardwired) with my Generator powering my panel to my Boiler. I have a duel 30amp on the PANEL from my 30amp power input plug from Generator with a Interlock to use to shut my 100amp cb off and move interlock up and turn on the duel 30amp . Please tell me/CORRECT me if this is proper and do they make a Clean Sine Wave Device that I can also mount externally on my panel to protect as many circuits that I turn on while using Generator Power? Sorry it’s so long. Please answer. I think your great helping/teaching your fans out with your knowledge! Please correct me teach me where necessary. I am so open to learn what I do not know. Thanks again. All the best to you, family and channel. Mike i.
@dankelley9361
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial, I didn’t even know how easy they are to connect an add that over voltage protection. If you do install on your main breaker with knockouts on the bottom, like we have here in AZ, it would be a worth addition to your channel!
@eddieo9424
Жыл бұрын
Have to say why didnt you just move that breaker and install Aa breaker for the surge , also I have never seen a real electrician use long nose plier like that . Unless they were fishing. For me I would have replaced the white wire on that breaker. I never worked with electrians put a white on a breaker . I really think you should stop doing g electrical work. As a inspector I would not let you ever put 2 wires on a breaker you do not know about ark fault conditions you probably wont ever know Iam 134 ibew inspector . You are red tagged 🛑 what you rtg doing.
@electricaladvice5371
Жыл бұрын
Hey Benjamin, here is my lightning/surge protector story: I worked as a service electrician, so this was at a customer's house back in 2015 outside Atlanta, Georgia. The customer knew exactly where lightning struck the ground in her yard--there was a nice size hole. The lightning travelled into her garage thru the low-voltage side of the sprinkler system, blew up the sprinkler control box on the wall, then blew up the transformer plugged into an outlet on the ceiling (for a garage door opener, but none present). That also sent the outlet and metal box up and into the ceiling. I have a picture of it, but it won't let me attach here. She already had a surge protector on her main panel, and I'd like to believe it prevented any further damage inside the home--although with lightning, you never know... Unfortunately I don't remember the brand of the surge protector, now 7 years later. Rich
@FishFind3000
2 жыл бұрын
For the abb outside panel model could I install it inside my panel and just have it hang inside? I assume not since it’s not securely mounted. My panel is in a finished install and every slot is filled. Which model could I use and have installed inside that’s not a breaker model? I have a square d qo panel, it’s the non plug on neutral model. But I can double tap my breakers.
@robertqman5751
Жыл бұрын
Great video ... Your a natural Instructor BTW for videos. Thorough explanations and good voice for them. 👌.. I rent a farm house in a rural location and frequently experience electrical interruptions. Having many computer devices in house because I do repairs on the side I think a SP in main box is a must do for me. Thanks!
@michaelmayfield3158
2 ай бұрын
As I watch, the company that services the lines all and said "They were aware of over 1000 customer without service in your area and were working on resolving the problem." Hurricane just hit and they are responsible the trimming the trees from those lines. Well those trees arced and we had no power for 3 days. Furthermore, it cost me almost $400 as it blew my 4 year old A/C system's blower motor. Not happy and looking for solutions and this will be one of them. 👍
@Bruehoyt
Жыл бұрын
thanks for the video. and for all viewers- heed his advice: "always treat it like it's live"
@Scm391
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, and thank you! Can you tell us about Surge Receptacles (Duplex)? I’ve been wondering if I should be using it for my kitchen refrigerator. Any thoughts?
@roblangley4862
Жыл бұрын
Great instructional video. One question though....can it be hooked to a larger double pole breaker within the main box rather than the 20 amp one you showed? My main panel is outside and after the 200 amp main breaker there are only 50 amp double pole breakers and no extra spots for another breaker. Thanks
@leeka40
Жыл бұрын
This is my question too. I can't come up with a reason why the amp trip rating of a breaker would relate to a voltage surge.
@handle924
2 жыл бұрын
Should the SPD be installed in an enclosure to contain fire risks from SPD failure?
@asuarezjd
Жыл бұрын
I had some leftover cement backerboard from tiling my bathroom and used it to place behind it and like a little shelf on top so that flames would not spark up to the joists in the basement. Yet, what is important is never to install inside the breaker/distribution panel. They burn or explode (as they should because they are sacrificial) and I would not like that to happen inside.
@phildegruy9295
Жыл бұрын
I recently added a Siemens FS140 Whole House Surge Protector (140,000 A at
@alamofox1
8 ай бұрын
The location of the breaker you use is not important. Surges travel at a velocity very close to the speed of light, about 1000 ft per microsecond. For a surge with a rise time of 1.2 microseconds, an SPD connected at the far end of the bus will start conducting before the surge has risen to 1/1000 of its peak value at the incoming terminals.
@johnvillalovos
2 жыл бұрын
I have read that a large amount of surges are generated inside the home. For example from an AC/heat pump turning off/on, also a refrigerator, and possibly other devices. Likely much less of a surge than if there were a lightning strike in the area though.
@scotscheideman9800
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, type 3 surge protectors are worthwhile even if you have a good type 1 or type 2. Lightning is not the only source of transient voltage spikes from your mains though, so type 1 or type 2 are still a good investment, best incorporated with type 3 on all sensitive electronics.
@DavidHalko
2 жыл бұрын
Surges generated inside the home should not blow up equipment & start fires - I lost a hard drive with a storm related surge - I lost computer serial ports from storm surge - I lost network switch ports from storm surge - I lost internet routers from storm surge - I lost stereo equipment from storm surge - a friend’s outlet was smoking & caught fire with everything attached being blown up from a storm surge just a few weeks back This is the stuff we have to seriously worry about
@jeffo1108
Жыл бұрын
These small events cause damage over time. Lightning is what most people are talking about here but voltage spikes from inside the home are far more common and, over time, just as destructive.
@johnvillalovos
2 жыл бұрын
One question. Since the main disconnect was so far away and out of the line of sight. Would it be good practice to put a lock on the main disconnect while working so nobody turns it on while the work is being performed?
@commietrician2198
2 жыл бұрын
yes it would be good practice to lock out
@kettch42
Жыл бұрын
I'd say that should be a requirement, for sure. Otherwise it's as good as live.
@asuarezjd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it freaks me out, especially if there are nosy neighbors or old geezers and kids around.
@wildbill23c
Жыл бұрын
Its always a good idea even in residential work....if you have a main and sub panel or multiple sub panels. In commercial work I think its mandatory to do lock-outs when doing service panel work, as well as working on any individual circuits...you can never have too many safeguards when it comes to electrical work.
@RowanHawkins
Жыл бұрын
My big issue with an SPD is how do you tell if it has failed or has taken multiple hits degrading its performance and reducing its effectiveness? If it functions as designed you might never know it has failed because it has done its job properly.
@MichaelBrown-vq4fd
Жыл бұрын
It has an indicator light. If the light is off, the device needs to be replaced.
@ZachStefl
2 жыл бұрын
I use a whole house SPD in the panel and have been installing SPD receptacles where all my computer/ electronic equipment is plugged in. Also have one for my Fridge as a compressor starting up can create a voltage spike. SPDs work in both direction of current flow which allows multiple layers of protection to be effective
@KS-tk9qf
2 ай бұрын
Good and clear video. Thanks!! I have a question about the actual placing of the circuit breaker in the panel where the surge protector will be connected to. I have a Square D , 200 A panel with two bus bars. On the right side at the top of the bus bar is a 40 A breaker for the electric stove and there are smaller breakers further down this bar. On the left, I have smaller breakers either 20A or 15A for various stuff in the house. But further down on the left bus bar, below all of these smaller breakers, I have 40A and 30 A breakers for the central AC. There are empty slots of on both buses nearer the bottom. Since the optimum position for a breaker with a surge protector connected to it is at the top so that it gets zapped BEFORE the spike gets to the sensitive equipment, what's my best solution here? Should I relocate the smaller breakers further down the left bus to make room for a 20/30A breaker in order to hook the surge protector. By the way, I'm leaning towards Square D HEPD80 surge protector. Thanks!!
@gssrustenburg
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering about surges happening outside your property.(other side of transformer) Transformer at your property is "tuned" for 50 or 60Hz, surges we talk a few nano seconds. In my opinion surges from outside should be filtered by the transformer(effective low pass filter) Would love to hear comments.
@drorr3431
8 ай бұрын
@drorr3431 0 seconds ago We recently had a multiple surge/across several devices in our house. The problem was a result of a broken Neutral wire coming from the Utility (outside the house due to severe storm). The Utility guys did reconnect that wire. My Square D - QO Panel didn't have a whole house surge protector. I want to install a Type 2 Surge protector (QO2175SB). Am very handy and am a retire EE Eng. No need to warn me of hazards.... My question is: 1) if I connect the grounding wire of the Surge protector to the NEUTRAL bus in the panel and a similar incident happens, where would the shunting go!? Should I connect it to the Panel Ground instead (it would shunt it to the ground of the house via the existing copper wire tied to the water main in my case) ? 2)note that I am not sure if my Neutral and my panel ground are tied together!?!? - how could I find out? Thank you!
@skubamann
Ай бұрын
I've had to replace 3 pool pump controllers (electronic) and I've had the same SPD you showed in this video. It's been expensive. What else can I do? Thanks.
@donmccubbin1740
Жыл бұрын
I've noticed when the surge comes in from an outside post light, outside flood light, or, in one case, a boat house, the whole house surge protector didn't seem to be as effective as hoped. Maybe the distance from the breaker controlling the post or the boat house was some distance from the protection device. In the future, I'm going to move those breakers close to the surge protector.
@bobniles1928
2 жыл бұрын
Recently replaced my circa 1978 panel with a 40 space GE panel. I used a GE surge protector that snaps into panel. I stalked in top left 2 spaces.
@BenjaminSahlstrom
2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@condor5635
2 ай бұрын
Most most excellent video Ben. Answered all my questions for the most part. Thank you for posting it! My panel is flush to the wall. Would I be able to install your surge protector inside of the panel if there’s room? The one you showed at the farm had lots of room in it. Is there any issue with having it installed internally?
@wallychambe1587
Жыл бұрын
Just put in a Siemens FS140, has a neutral and a ground wire!😲😲
@willhansen6922
Жыл бұрын
The QO surge plug in SPD is rated 50KA and is a far superior product/install. Why would you put a GE product in a SqD panel??
@BrJon-uh8cm
5 ай бұрын
A joke. It will be a money maker, but will be useless for saving a house. The only way it would help, is if it was able to trip the main breaker with a fast blow. We installed one of a building it was a $3,000 surge suppressor, lightening hit the commercial building, it was rated to survive a lightening strike, it did, but the computers did not! 😂 The best surge suppressor was as close to the load as possible, as in right at the computer, but these are useless.
@steventrott8714
8 ай бұрын
I say god damn dude, that was super informative! Thanks! Also expensive, I have four panels on my property! Eek
@aperson9495
Жыл бұрын
The only lightning strike I've had was years ago where lightning struck the metal chimney on the hose, traveled down it, arced through the sheetrock somehow to a grounded can light and to ground. The main losses were every PC in the house and the main network switch due to the inductive surge picked up by the network cabling that torched every Ethernet port that had a cable connected to it. When I took the switch apart, there was lots of evidence of magic smoke getting out.
@freema22
Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen similar devices insist that you need a dedicated 20amp breaker. Is that baloney, or could they theoretically be installed just like this ABB one? The wiring schematic looks the same.
@epifaniorivera7695
Жыл бұрын
Hello good afternoon! excuse me for the question ❓ where can install the surge protection on my RV 30 amps. I appreciate your help thanks 🙏.
@changethematrix
6 ай бұрын
The reason I want to install a surge protector is because my power company refuses to admit that they cause fluctuations with the current and voltage coming to my house. So, if I install this to the first breaker, does that protect all my other breakers? I also read that the surge protector can send the excess electricity to ground. I don't want to do that. I want the electricity to go back to source. My last electricity bill has way higher that it should be. I think these power surges sent from my power provider are going to ground which means I'm paying for electricity to just go into the earth. I'm basically paying to waste electricity that I can't use.
@decibellone696
Жыл бұрын
this doesnt work well in 1, humid/wet climates... you will replace them often. 2. because of 1 it forces normal people to either call an electrician for big money for a simple job or, ask normal people to take on a simple job with a high amount of danger factor. - do not do this unless mandated... your GFIs are just fine. most home owners work around this annoying "surge protector" unless mandated - it's more hassle than its worth.
@HobbyOrganist
5 ай бұрын
I prefer the Siemens FS140 unit and purchased that one, it will go in my Square D, QO panel
@scotscheideman9800
2 жыл бұрын
I have done a quite a bit of research into the components of type 3 surge protection devices. Benjamin, you are correct about the voltage ratings, this is the voltage the unit will start clamping the voltage. The rather high voltage ratings are often but not always a result of marketing greed. The most common type of component used in these devices are MOV's. Within the same size of component (14mm dia. for example) a 200v provides the tightest protection but has a Max energy rating of 57Joules, a 680v has a 130 Joules rating but would not hinder a 600v surge from hitting your electronics. The reason sadly is that for a tiny increase in cost and within the same available space in the device, using the 680v MOV's allows the manufacturer to print a higher joule rating on the box, which will fool most consumers into thinking they are buying better protection, when in fact the opposite is true. Generally, the better more costly units have lower voltage ratings. Some exceptions to this is where the MOV's are used in conjunction with a GDT,, but that's a whole different rabbit hole !
@mattfinleylive
Жыл бұрын
This is not my understanding. As they are "Varistor"s, they begin to shunt voltage at approximately 10% above rating, with resistance decreasing until the clamping voltage, at which point the overage is completely shunted to neutral/ground.
@Mike-01234
Ай бұрын
They do make main breakers with surge protectors only issue I have with those is if it takes a surge and blows out have to replace the main breaker.
@KameraShy
11 ай бұрын
Next door neighbor rebuilt their entire kitchen. Fancy new appliances, controlled with state-of-the-art electronics. A few months later we had a huge power surge. Fried everything in their kitchen. Thousands in damages. That new stuff is EXPENSIVE. They got a whole house surge protector installed very quickly. Me ... I got hit with the same surge, but no fancy electronic appliances in MY kitchen. All Old School. My computers and electronics do, of course, have heavy duty surge protection.
@Apismeliffera
11 ай бұрын
I would prefer a whole house series mode surge protector instead of common mode surge protectors that use MOVs, because they degrade over time. That being said... I have not seen such a device, at least not yet.
@Dmitrytln
2 жыл бұрын
Type 1 should be installed only outdoors with large wires like AWG5. Some type 1 SPD have piercing terminals for attaching to overhead power line. Ground wire is dedicated for spark gap. Your device is rated as type 1, but actually it has small wires and comes without spark gap to the ground. Your device will work properly only if the panel is connected to auxiliary power source like alternator. You should install type 1 in outdoor panel if you are using power from the utility company.
@raymondlee3414
9 ай бұрын
Incorrect. It is in fact rated as a type 1 in the documentation from GE.
@markhicks3227
Жыл бұрын
Lost a wall oven and a NEW salt control panel for my pool. Going to a at the pool sub panel. Main panel has protection but I wonder about it able to protect. I have Solar Panels on the roof and may be better protected through the inverters.. Any thoughts?
@user-nb4kt7cd1y
3 ай бұрын
Is the surge protection being at the top a code stipulation ?I have a new build and mine is at the bottom. If it is a code thing can you share with me the the verbiage by quote so I can take to me builder to fix this. Thanks
@OwensandCompany
7 ай бұрын
Not all surge protectors are made the same. A representative from a surge protection manufacturer drew my attention to the fact that some manufacturers make units with a high voltage clamp down rating because it is cheaper, will still pass UL inspections, but will not provide the same protection as a better unit. For a Type 3 SPD you want a clamp down rating of 130v L-N, L-G. That unit you have is garbage since anything you have plugged into it will be toast before it protects them. If you have a whole house SPD in your main service, a good one should have a clamp down rating of 150v L-N, L-G and a 300v rating L-L
@stufine
3 ай бұрын
Q Recent Duke transformer put 248 on on side and 0 on the other. Lost a garage door opener, ceiling fans, frig and a boiler Aquastat. When you say clamp down 130v, if I would have had that this SPD would have kicked the main breaker off and saved my stuff? And a clamp down of 700 would have done nothing in my case? Thanks
@robertgiles4765
2 жыл бұрын
I don't see how this can be considered a whole house surge protector (by the way you installed it). It will protect the circuit downstream of the 20A breaker, but after that breaker trips the rest of the panel will still be experiencing the power surge. I would suggest you attach the THOMESURGE directly to the buss bar like the internal version does. That would cause the MAIN breaker to trip in a surge situation thus protecting the whole house.
@mattfinleylive
Жыл бұрын
Surges rarely last more than a full cycle, and more rarely ever trip the breaker, (if ever).
@Ryan-mj8kc
Жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, Great video and thank you for all of your videos. I couldn't find any documentation stating the GE breaker lugs are rated for two wires each (like the QO). Where did you find out the GE terminations are rated for two? Thanks!
@adamwade4764
Ай бұрын
please clarify and pardon the stupid question: for the installation you have done, does that protect just the one circuit or all circuits on that panel- someone please clarify
@msk3905
7 ай бұрын
Curious how many people have had issues with surges in their homes? I own two homes first one been in for 25 years zero surge issues, my parents in their home for 50 years zero surge issues, and I have heard of zero people having issues from surges. Has anyone here had an issue due to surges that require repair, also, does anyone have any data on how many people have had issues?
@JeanPierreWhite
Жыл бұрын
So if the breaker were to trip, say because of a fault with the pump on that breaker you'd be left without protection? I suppose that's why it's recommended to use a dedicated breaker.
@joelboutier1736
2 жыл бұрын
I think I've seen most type 1 SPDs installed outside at the main disconnect or the meter but I guess you could install them at the main lugs. It's still technically the line side. I guess I need to get a type 2 for my place!
@everyman1878
3 ай бұрын
Eaton line side (type-2) have ground wires (green with a yellow stripe).
@erniecox4923
Жыл бұрын
This is not a type 1 installation. You may have a type 1 device, but you installed it as a type 2. Type 1 would be on the line side before the main breaker.
@danm.274
3 ай бұрын
The 2 tools that I wanted to buy are at 2:34 and 12:14-12:28. You don't have links here to those 2 nor are they in your other pages (favorite tools).
@charlemagnemaraon5703
Жыл бұрын
Good evening Sir!!! Do you have a video of lightning arrester installation...
@classicsalsa3589
Жыл бұрын
I have a question, I have a solar panel system in my house but they told me I can't install a surge in my panel because when the system goes in it may have some issues but I don't know if is true.
@GGray-jd1dx
2 жыл бұрын
We had the electric company install a surge behind the meter
@avikashramjit165
2 жыл бұрын
wish our electric company could have done that in our country Trinidad 🇹🇹
@MrTooTechnical
Жыл бұрын
I have a surge suppression device on my panel. During a power grid brown out, I heard the MOV’s inside the device making weird sounds. In the end, when I went to look at surge device, I noticed the green light dimming off and on. It saved my equipment for sure.
@MoonbeamAcres
5 ай бұрын
Why do you not have the availability for us to save your videos for later reference? There's no save button available above.
@kentgrayson6172
11 ай бұрын
How do you protect solar panels from, lighting and dc to ac inverter? Kent
@sergeyblinov4957
2 жыл бұрын
From my POW, SPD with additional ground wire is intended to use in downstream breaker panels, where N and G wires are independent. Because, a neutral wire also needs protection, and such SPD must have N-G protection, in addition to L1-G and L2-G protections. (Of course, L1-N and L2-N protections are mandatory). Protections from any of active wires (L1,L2, N) to G are useful in electronics and IT equipment. Also, it may be useful to protect EV charging point (EVSE) by SPD to increase surge protection level for EV's onboard charging converter. Additionally, the less resistance of each of local grounding systems (sets of grounding electrodes at each property's building) - the better surge protection level.
@SoundzRite
2 жыл бұрын
The L1-L2-N lines are protected using MOV's that provide a clamp to the surge. The N-G is protected with a gas discharge tube that essentially provides a 0 volt clamp between neutral and ground when fired. This is because the nominal N-G voltage IS zero.
@jamesstewart2543
Жыл бұрын
@@SoundzRite I wonder if I installed my type 2 Eaton CHSPT2ULTRA correctly in my 52 year old GE split bus panel. The instructions state to install through a dedicated 50 A breaker. The top portion with the 2-pole breakers was full so I installed the surge protector through a 50 A 2-pole compact breaker in the lower section where all the 1-pole breakers are placed. The lower section is fed by a 60 A 2-pole breaker in the upper section. Maybe I should just put the L1 and L2 in the 50 A 2-pole breaker for the electric range in the upper section. Alternatively, I could install three compact breakers (30 A, 40 A, 50 A) in the left side upper. The sticker indicates that those would fit in place of the two full sized breakers there now (30 A for ele dryer, 40 A for A/C condensing unit).
@csf1757
Жыл бұрын
Not an electrician -can you reasonably explain to me why not divert surge to the ground?
@pana19561
Жыл бұрын
Wonder why you have to sacrifice the surge protector. Can't they offer a breaker types just reset the protector?
@odanejones3509
2 жыл бұрын
Loads of love teacher, you are a top top electrical engineer you know that?
@JulianJ-y8v
Жыл бұрын
Have you come across CLEANVOLT Type 1/2 SPD?
@stephenkirkman8288
2 жыл бұрын
When I want to do a new electrical install I can generally find you've done a video on it. Watching then gives me confidence to attempt it and be safe and be in code . I have installed a Seimens whole house surge protector at my place. Thanks for your videos and keep it up.
@Laserwurks
11 ай бұрын
My ac company put 2 surge protectors on on ac inside and one on outside ac connections box.. the out side blew up and took the outside unit with it.
@DGTubbs
2 ай бұрын
"Now I'm going to simulate a surge..." (cut) 😆
@josephballance2319
Жыл бұрын
I have a main panel with a spd on it. Can i add a spd on ac cb in this panel? My sub panel does not have a main cb, how should a spd be installed in sub ? TIA
@GusKen-m3j
19 күн бұрын
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@buddhalovechild
Жыл бұрын
Why do you bond ground and neutral in this panel if it is not the first point of disconnect?
@theseattlegreen1871
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. You are correct he is technically working on a subpanel
@JRCme1
2 күн бұрын
The outside disconnect does not count as a main breaker panel
@MountaineerOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Questions for you. You say that there is a disconnect on the outside but you take off the panel cover and the nuetral and ground are together?? Shouldn't they be separated since that is after the disconnect?? And shouldn't there be ser instead of seu?? Just curious. Or maybe you pulled out the meter?? Not bashing you just curious.
@peehandshihtzu
2 жыл бұрын
So my strategy includes a similar product (80kA) in my main panel and regular surge protection strips at any outlet that has something electronic plugged into it (basically anything with a circuit board in it). I also employ UPS backups at each computer to avoid os/data damage at every computer in my house and they have surge suppressors in them as well. Honestly the addition of the UPS systems were a necessary game changer that has prevented many problems that were plaguing my existence. The addition of the Type 1 suppressor was the cherry on top because it covers appliances like my refrigerator/dishwasher/etc that really shouldn't be plugged into power strips and yet still has potentially delicate circuit boards in them. Not to mention the 2 pole equipment like ranges and dryers, etc. I mean I think it's about all a person in my particular home can do within reason besides having the correct breakers and GFCI's in accompaniment to protect my family and our equipment. At least this was my conclusion anyway. ;)
@jamesdesmond1301
Жыл бұрын
I’m a homeowner unversed in this stuff but have an electrical engineer friend five States away who insists that whole house surge protectors are a must-have but do NOT double them up with those at-plug surge protector strips in which I have invested (currently I’m watching videos like this to try and figure out the best whole-house protector to buy, btw). Here’s what he emailed to me: Although some people have been known to double up, two surge protectors in series DOUBLES the clamping voltage. Is that bad? ABSOLUTELY. The clamping voltage is the threshold for which all voltage spikes ABOVE that value get clamped (as in current is not allowed to flow -- it's STOPPED). Hence, clamping voltage protects your devices from voltage spikes above a certain value. The closer to 120 (without being too close), the better. So, a 300V clamping voltage is better than 400V. Use two surge protectors in series with 300V clamping voltage, and you're not protecting anything until a voltage spike hits 600V. Yikes! Goodbye fried equipment. Some guys that have used surge protectors in series have probably bragged about how it works and how they've never had a problem. But in reality, they just didn't have any voltage spikes bad enough to cause damage. Them saying "it works" is just an illusion. In the example above, maybe they had a few voltage spikes come through over the years that were all above 600V, so no harm, no foul. But if a 500V voltage spike came through, their equipment would have been fried. They were flying fat, dumb, and happy all those years AND just got lucky. To summarize, two surge protectors in a series give you LESS PROTECTION, not more. And yes, just to be resolutely clear, if you get a whole house surge protector installed, you're already at ONE surge protector. I would not plug in any power strip with surge protection unless it was just an old-fashioned type with the lighted switch (they often have a reset button which a real surge protector NEVER has), essentially allowing for more plugs. MY QUESTION: Is he right? I’m too uneducated to know. SECOND QUESTION: Is it worth paying more for higher capacity, whole house protectors? It seems like the cheaper (say, 36 amp, like that shown here) protectors can more easily self-destruct when a really huge surge hits. So don’t they wind up costing more over the long run, especially if a guy like me will have to keep paying an electrician to come out and replace them? I'm looking at this, for example, though another video I watched states that it requires its own special breaker and I'm out of slots on my panel: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013WINMK6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2Q1LRYTXHYQ2K&psc=1 (“140,000 Amp of surge current capacity per phase”). For that matter, how come manufacturers don’t make E-Z replace modules so I can simply flck my home’s main power switch off and then quickly change out the “blown” part like I would a light bulb? Is that just corporate greed, or has the tech simply not evolved enough to avoid this having to be a g-d major project every time a nasty summer electrical storm comes along?
@peehandshihtzu
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesdesmond1301 Interesting, Unfortunately to the detriment of your buddies advice many devices already have a surge protector built into them anyway. This would be thumbing the nose of the device engineers themselves as the regular homeowner like myself has no power over the implementation of said equipment in devices. That said the addition of an additional power strip between a whole house suppressor and a built-in wouldn't matter since there are already surge protectors running in series by higher design. I've done what I've done based on mountains of advice including local power companies recommendations and while it technically might not make any difference it certainly isn't going to hurt in a measurable way at this point. I mean the thing that was frying my computers was simply due to the power being cut and it corrupting my OS. That said the UPS's is hat stopped that, not the surge protectors. They never trip, for all I know they are expensive LED's designed to part me from my money, LOL. I really don't think there is anyone bragging about anything like this on the internet, that would be like bragging about foot hair, it just doesn't happen. Simply put, passive aggressive, 3rd party internet expert advice in the contrary to my strategy is not going to make me lose sleep at night. I may be doing something overly redundant but that is the point. Ben asked what our own situation is and our strategy for it, I wrote down. It's that simple.
@adelnunez3206
9 ай бұрын
why Connected to Neutral? it shall be Earth/Ground due to Absord Excess Voltage via Variable Resistors
@alamofox1
8 ай бұрын
Assuming this is main service panel, the neutral will be bonded to ground inside the panel.
@JetFire9
24 күн бұрын
I always work on the panel live so I don’t have to lie to myself.
@Bobcat1950
8 ай бұрын
A little confused about when to use red tape to indicate a white wire is being used as a hot in a single phase application.
@TheDotransporter
19 күн бұрын
What can I do if i dont have spaces in my breaker box?
@TNW1337
Жыл бұрын
Under what code can you put a unprotected device on mains/line side? My understanding of the NEC code this is not allowed any more and has not been for long time.
@RowanHawkins
Жыл бұрын
I thought this was covered fairly concisely. This isn't a power consuming device except in the case of a surge. It needs to be specifically rated Type1 to be installed on the line side. As a protection device, it is not unprotected. It also doesn't separate the line and load when the surge occurs, like a circuit breaker would. This attempts to shunt the surge back to the neutral faster than the trip time on a breaker. You might want to review how a breaker is intended to function. These shunts are often built into high end double conversion UPS units as protection for the UPS electronics. My question would instead be how do you check/tell when the device has failed as designed from suppressing a surge. If you can't check their operational status, you may no longer be protected and would not know it.
@TNW1337
Жыл бұрын
@@RowanHawkins Agree
@Phil-D83
7 ай бұрын
Can these be installed on the board nuts after the main breaker? Do they need a Lug?
@ronaldnielson8591
Жыл бұрын
Why a 20 amp breaker? why not a 40 or another size breaker?? I see no reason for this.
@Bobwehadababy
11 ай бұрын
That's a 3 phase panel, don't you need a surge protector that connects to all three phases not just two?
@danielsiffredi8403
Ай бұрын
thanks for the video - I'm doing this asap.
@off-gridmountaineer4515
Жыл бұрын
I have a question about the bonding screw. I have installed an off grid inverter to a breaker box. It's a separate breaker box from my main breaker box but nothing from the main breaker box is wired into the inverter breaker box. You could call it a sub panel but it is not connected to the main breaker box. But anyways my question is does the bonding screw need to be bonded on the ground and neutral when only a off grid inverter is wired up to the breaker box? I'm thinking it should be but I am not a certified electrician. I am just a homeowner and you are the expert and I'm sure you already know this answer. Thank you so much. I have learned so much from your channel and I am a real big fan. Keep up the good work.
@theseattlegreen1871
Жыл бұрын
Hey man the main panel he was working on is technically a subpanel. He should have isolated the neutrals and the grounds. Because the first means of Disconnect is outside near his electrical meter that's where the ground and neutral should have been bonded.
@donwold1622
Жыл бұрын
I had the service side of the neutral break off before the meter outside. That caused a lot of strange flashing of the lights and SEVERAL electronics to fail (electric range/oven, subwoofer amplifiers, HVAC motherboard, etc). Would this device protect from this issue?
@asuarezjd
Жыл бұрын
His surge protector is for a voltage tsunami coming from the utility and for the spikes in voltage when turning on and off power tools, refrigerators, air conditioners, etc. in your house. What you need is GFCI or better, ARC FAULT. So, when there is no neutral connected to the pole outside anymore, then the current coming to the house via the two hots have nowhere to return, and they then divert to the GROUND (bare wire) that you have precisely for that problem, which ends in a ground rod and the water and gas pipes which are in the ground also. So, the current coming home returns to Earth but via GROUND. Yet, it wants to return via NEUTRAL to the transformer in the pole outside, but it cannot. There should be the same current coming in hot and going out neutral....that is where GFCI/ARC FAULT can help with because they monitor it. It will trip and turn off though, but it will sense that imbalance and stop the bleeding. Check in Amazon the breaker that is for both, they are expensive as hell, so find out what circuits have the things you love and get a few only for those, ha! Is simple, replace the old one with this one and done! of course I assume you know to buy the 20amp, 15amp, 30 amp, etc. depending on what you need and the circuit, do not put a 20amp in a 15amp circuit if wired with a 14gauge (white Romex) for example. Here is one but for my panel which is a Square D, they have QO and Homeline, that is important, so buy the one for your panel, no other brand but the one that is rated for your equipment. www.amazon.com/Square-Schneider-Electric-QO115PDF-Single-Pole/dp/B00KHVM01Y/ref=sr_1_2?crid=AB73OWRJ119I&keywords=square+d+15+amp+afci%2Fgfci+breaker&qid=1666666108&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjAzIiwicXNhIjoiMi43MiIsInFzcCI6IjIuNDgifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=gfci+afci+breaker+15+amp+%2Caps%2C186&sr=8-2
@donwold1622
Жыл бұрын
@@asuarezjd Thank you so much!
@asuarezjd
Жыл бұрын
@@donwold1622 Try to find a dedicated store nearby. I am lucky in Ohio where I have Pepco, Grainger, Apex Electric, etc. They are usually cheaper than in big box stores and give you contractor price. Well, Home Depot and Lowe's give 10% military discount so that helps me. Is just a breaker so you plug and unplug, but it has a pigtail that you cut as short as needed and screw it in the neutral bar. In main panels is also tied to the ground bare or green wires. In my jurisdiction thank God we still have common sense and homeowners can do this without a permit, and can even get a permit to do electric work in their own homes. One thing though, do the surge protector also because it is good to have.
@mikesmith-pk8cq
9 ай бұрын
I watched your videos on installing a generator plug in for my outside panel, gathered all the wiring, conduit, breaker, plug and everything I needed. Finally got to the day to do all this. Turn off the power, removed the cover and there in the spot where my generator breaker was to go, is a surge protector. Yikes. Can I move it down 1 slot because my disconnect bracket is geared for the generator breaker to be in the top right position. thanks for the help
@alamofox1
8 ай бұрын
Yes, it will not make that big a difference.
@vince6829
Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@TerenceMohan
Ай бұрын
Can I install on the main panel and then add separate ones to my mini split ac’s?
@phillipcoplen8051
Жыл бұрын
An yeah the curved wires will confuse the electrons
@wvwoodsfolks
Жыл бұрын
You asked for comments on issues with surges. I had a full power outage. Had a back-up subpanel set up for Generator. Cranked up the Generator and switched from main panel to back up panel. All was good for about 10 minutes. Then all hell broke lose. Had power surge that blew out anything with a circuit board (Garage opener, ice maker, ceiling fan, etc..). Luckily I had surge power strips for TV and a UPS for computer and they worked. The surge was so strong it melted the plastic cases on two surge power strips. While I had a whole house surge protector installed in my main panel I never thought of putting one in my generator panel. So everything connected to the generator panel received the surge. This little issue cost be several thousand dollars (insurance paid). The next day I had another whole house surge protector installed in the generator panel. I also took my generator to an electrical shop to have it check out to ensure it was not a generator issue. It checked out ok. I don't know exactly how the surge came through my main power line to my generator panel but my guess is the ground line may have become energized when the workers were working on the downed lines. Thanks for the great videos I learn a lot from you.
@bammab977
Жыл бұрын
Why not connect it to the lugs just south of the main breaker?
@chrissilva5659
8 ай бұрын
lol make sure you test with the least reliable tool there is a widow maker/tick tracer
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