I, for one, am very upset that you showed us this alternative to the way I have been doing it. How dare you. 🥴😝
@ShawnCothran
Жыл бұрын
Me too, what were you thinking being different than someone else you don’t even know. Unforgivable.
@thetonemob
Жыл бұрын
@@ShawnCothran YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN!
@bufferkiller
2 жыл бұрын
The sandwich wrap, as you called it, works fine for all of the strings. That's been the shop standard at every shop I've worked or apprenticed at, and what was taught to us at luthiery school. But even without the sandwich, just wrapping from bottom up works just fine. Everyone has their own way of judging how much slack to give, but I'm a big fan of pulling it taut and then grabbing at the nut and pulling back to the second fret. Third fret for a bass guitar. That's always the perfect amount of slack.
@randym2238
2 жыл бұрын
I have tried all of these techniques over the years. For years I used the over-then-under pattern. It made sense to me and I never had a problem. Recently, I've switched back to just a straight wrap with no tricks at all, and I've found that it works just fine. I give it about "one tuner distance" excess length and I get a neat two wraps and it works perfectly. I bend strings a lot and never experience slippage or breakage. In particular, I really don't like the "V" lock technique, mostly because it's really difficult to take the string back off. Any perceived advantage it provides is way overshadowed by the frustration of removing it next time. In my opinion, simple is fine, the complications aren't worth it.
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
The one tuner distance trick (I guess it's not really a trick, but whatever) is the probably the single most helpful thing I've ever learned about installing guitar strings. Following that alone would do a world of good for most players-I can't tell you how many guitars I've encountered with far too many or too few wraps around the peg.
@Jangorexful
2 жыл бұрын
@@Stringjoy Who knows how many wraps over or under is the “correct” number?.There really is no right or wrong way , whatever works for you. I can’t believe we are going to geek out on how to wrap guitar strings. This whole video was pretty annoying imo,
@ShawnCothran
Жыл бұрын
@@Jangorexful yeah, can you believe they forced us to watch the whole thing? How annoying
@Jangorexful
Жыл бұрын
@@ShawnCothran Just my opinion. I use Stringjoy on all my guitars , I just think the guitar community likes to over complicate everything to do with the instrument. So glad you could take me down a (string) peg or two with your comment.
@ShawnCothran
Жыл бұрын
@@Jangorexful sure thing! happier to join in on the geeking than take you down a string peg. my b.
@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy
5 ай бұрын
For all the locking tuners, I MUCH prefer those old-fashioned Fender tuners. Insert the string down the shaft. Bend it. Tune it. It is SO EASY.
@PeteFolksinger
2 жыл бұрын
Good info. I have been using the "V-lock" technique on all the strings for decades and have never had a string slip. Done right, it softens the hard turn. One other point that doesn't show when you used dummy string sections...when the other end is already anchored first, it is important how much you pull thru the post so you don't have too much or too little wound on the post.
@JavierSanchez-el4pl
2 жыл бұрын
I have been using all these techniques FOREVER! I had seen the bass string sandwich lock over a decade ago with a coworker of mine at a music shop. From then, I started experimenting with other locks because I, as a metal head and heavy bender/picker, tend to kick all my strings out of tune. These are great techniques and I am glad that they are all in one nice video. NOW DO ONE FOR BASS!
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
Heard! We can do that!
@JavierSanchez-el4pl
2 жыл бұрын
@@Stringjoy WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
@TheFakeyCakeMaker
Жыл бұрын
I really needed to see this. When you don't know something you just don't know but now I know. Thanks 🙂
@StevenParente
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I've been using a similar technique to lock strings with good results, but this video simplifies what I've been doing. I will try these techniques out very soon.
@noahliberman3247
2 жыл бұрын
Now try this on modern tuners: before you cut, grab the string 1/2” PAST the tuner with needle-nose pliers and pull. You’ll feel the string seat itself against the post really tight. Especially on wound strings, this quickly takes up tons of slack that you’d need to let subsequent tunings take up, cuz wound strings resist sitting tight at first, no matter how hard you try to hold them close to the post and no matter how clever your 3 o’clock/6 o’clock string-lock strategy is.
@censored7881
8 ай бұрын
I have this crazy method where I just slide each string through the locking tuner, then tighten the tuner.
@scottharnish
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve never seen that technique with the vintage style keys before. I’m looking forward to trying that. I learned the v-lock technique years ago. I’ve subsequently had debates with techs & salepeople over the validity of the technique. They almost always are coming from the POV of being in a hurry and struggling to get the wrap off of the post. My retort is always “It’s what Dan Erlewine does!”
@dimitriskovaios
Жыл бұрын
The most comprehensive video on the subject, thanks for sharing it!!!
@rmcfee
Жыл бұрын
Pulling on the strings after they are installed is the most important thing for removing the slack at both ends (i solder the ball ends on the trebles) so it will not slip. But I"m going to try that V Lock on the trebles next time. Thanks.
@EJ_Crough
2 жыл бұрын
My Uncle Larry told me never to lock my strings
@briandefusco1544
2 жыл бұрын
Tom B(AKA UNLE LARRY)😂
@cody3078
8 күн бұрын
Why did he say never to lock them?
@edcasaccio8195
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Please explain how much slack the string should have before using this method
@crmusica
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Can you also show nylon string classical, thanks!
@genejflyingsolo
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a Video on cleaning the grime from the fret board nut and saddles before installing a new set of strings. What products are safe to use and treat them?
@jimmyjames8164
10 ай бұрын
Clean with naphtha (zippo lighter fluid) to remove grime, follow up with lemon oil, and wipe off access. Aren't you happy with Stringjoy's response? Lol Overpriced strings are their specialty.
@lonelysamoans
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is the most helpful tutorial!
@pharmerdavid1432
10 ай бұрын
I've never "locked" plain strings on vintage style kluson tuners, yet never had a string slip on me. Even with regular tuners where the string goes through on the side and some people "lock" the string, all you need are 2-3 wraps and it won't slip - makes it much easier to get the strings off later! I see the same "overkill" mistake (imho) when soldering, instead of just using solder to attach wires to board, the tech will stick the wire through and kink it around the loop to "lock" it, making de-soldering later much more difficult. Overkill isn't needed, just makes removal later more difficult.
@dusty9438
2 жыл бұрын
Okay this is totally not the point of this video, but what is that string winder?? It's gorgeous and he's going really quick with it without any sort of jamming or gumming up, I think I need it!
@popeye089
2 жыл бұрын
Stew Mac has them. Waverly string winder.
@hankthewolf8395
2 жыл бұрын
Hey I know that guy! Wyatt is one of the best luthiers in MN!
@BwanaTube
2 жыл бұрын
I want to fight this video. Folks, you absolutely DO NOT need to do all this crazy over under bullshit! For fender pegs, the first string shown in the video is the only method you need. For non-slotted, just thread through the post and lock the string with a bend against the post from each side of the post, making 90º kinks at the post, and ONLY wind UNDER. NEVER over, never any dipsy-doodle back through the post 3'clock craziness. For one thing, it makes changing strings on a gig a nightmare. With Fender posts and a simple wrap, just detuning pops the wrap off the post, no reason for self-inflected puncture wounds from some crazy wrap around the post that broke off.
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
Whatever works great for you is A-ok, if you have no trouble with your way, stick with it. Nothing wrong with sharing different techniques for folks interested in trying them out, though.
@skipneumann1
2 жыл бұрын
Can I have a G string please? I really needed this on my SG for the dreaded G string- thanks it worked! In 50 years I’ve only ever broken an E string at a gig-
@ShawnCothran
Жыл бұрын
Yeah some folks get lucky or maybe their playing style lends to a solid lock, but I’ve had strats slip (a little, sometimes a lot) when the lighter strings are not locked in some way.
@BwanaTube
Жыл бұрын
@@ShawnCothran Jim Campilongo does every trick in the book string bending-wise, major third bends, behind the nut bends, using the tuner for bends, and you won't find any over-the-bridge-and-through-the-woods silliness on his guitar. If it's done carefully and correctly, and you're getting slippage there's something going on mechanically with the guitar that needs to be addressed, most likely the tuner itself. kzitem.info/news/bejne/lWeMwKCmbWiDi4o
@fiveeyes2802
10 ай бұрын
Oh! Very nice, cos I was just thinking about buying locking tuners. I get so frustrated. But this was very helpful. Thanks!
@MrKLovisa
4 ай бұрын
Well there goes 10 minutes of my life I will never get back.
@paulechols
Жыл бұрын
Gorgu behind the plant cracked me up!!!!
@VN9001
2 жыл бұрын
With the "loop lock" method shown, can you then use just 1 wrap per post? No need for multiple turns/wraps if the string is "locked", correct? In my experience, the advantage of locking tuners is the speed of changing strings (pull through, lock, tune) and no need for any wraps around the post. I still believe that Fender's original/vintage safety post design is the best ever - no fuss no muss.
@christopherkennedy873
Жыл бұрын
Nice - but how much slack before wind? - what IS the optimum amount of wraps? 🤔
@Stringjoy
Жыл бұрын
Two tuning pegs length on a 6-on-side headstock, 1 tuning peg length on a 3x3 is the best rule of thumb for how much slack before you wind up.
@christopherkennedy873
Жыл бұрын
@@Stringjoy thank you - Another question for you: What would you suggest for flatwounds when using locking tuners? (Also down tuned) Just pull, lock, and cut(?), or slight wrap/lock?
@bradconklin2878
3 ай бұрын
I like your string winder:)
@CliftonRamsdell
2 ай бұрын
The angle of the camera really doesn't show well when you are going over or under. Would be nice to see a little angle for depth resolution
@ubutunes
Жыл бұрын
How about a similar guide for slot-head tuners?
@paultorbert6929
Жыл бұрын
And I give Fender this finger, yes this one….. BECAUSE the didn’t use that old style “hollow post” as a standard on all guitars throughout the history of FENDER…..! I absolutely hate to “through post hole” tuners. I’ve been playing Fenders since 1975… Ed King was my reason/inspiration for switching from Gibsons….
@fredzara4072
6 ай бұрын
Should have added a minimum of 3 full wraps around the post for each string if you want more playing and less tuning !
@TheJLF65
21 күн бұрын
Or! Or... stay with me now... You can use locking tuners and NOT worry about your strings ever again. It's easier, quicker, and more reliable. Don't get me wrong, you need to know this info you present here for those times you're stuck with someone else's gear and they don't have locking tuners, being the poor misguided creatures they are. So great video! But I'll still keep locking tuners on all my guitars.
@danieldegregory5825
2 жыл бұрын
Any tips for nylon strings/classical guitars?
@danieldegregory5825
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyjames8164, thanks for your reply! Dave Doll’s methods are quite specific-I’m expecting I’ll need the video’s guidance the first few times-but I certainly can appreciate his results. Thanks again!
@danieldegregory5825
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyjames8164, glad it’s not just me!
@user-jl9kw9gn3m
4 ай бұрын
Solder the bridge ends like the guy above does 🤣
@markdecker9820
2 жыл бұрын
Is there any reason not to cut the end of the string near to the post? I don’t like having those string ends sticking out to stick my fingers when I’m tuning or get caught on other things.
@tonymarinelli7304
Жыл бұрын
What brand winder are you using? I really like that
@pavelk9507
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have a version for people bigger than an ant to see?
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
Cast it onto a widescreen TV and get real close
@paolophonics
2 жыл бұрын
I agree and the problem is that the angle is wrong. Top down is fine but it doesn't show the wraps around the peg. We also need the side view. It seems of obvious but it's not there.
@baileymeah7123
2 жыл бұрын
@@Stringjoy I think a thicker gauge plain string would have been better to see, maybe like a 17-20 gauge
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
@@paolophonics We usually travel with a 15-person, 4-camera crew to shoot these free KZitem videos, but 14 of them were sick that day so we just went with the one angle that showed it best. We are working on a 3D version that will be playing in IMAX theatres this summer though.
@mojojeff
2 жыл бұрын
@@Stringjoy Wow, I didn't realize what a large-scale operation you had. That is impressive. Are there any openings as a string winder apprentice. I have some rudimentary skills I would like to develop and it would be great to be with an organization with some upward mobility opportunities. I'll stay tuned for a response.
@BrianElliot
2 жыл бұрын
You guys did a great job but did you didn't tell where to cut the string to start? I notice some of the strings have extra sticking out (the 6 in line non-vintage). Where would you cut it to have that inch or so sticking out?
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
A good rule of thumb is two peg lengths on a 6 in line or one peg length on a 3x3
@BrianElliot
2 жыл бұрын
@@Stringjoy thank you
@DennisFeinsteinCEO
Жыл бұрын
What do you recommend for larger gauges, like 70, 74, 80, etc?
@Stringjoy
Жыл бұрын
The same method applies, the taper should land before the tuning peg so you should have a thinner string to work with at the tuning peg.
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
Do you lock your strings? If not, will you try it?
@popeye089
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t lock because if you need to change a string in a hurry, it over complicates an already stressful situation
@BwanaTube
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely not, and it enrages me to even see it advocated.
@baileymeah7123
2 жыл бұрын
I have a couple of times, but stopped as I was getting better tuning stability without it
@BillWhetstone
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Dobro with the posts going thru the slotted headstock, do you have a guide for this style?
@Stringjoy
2 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea for a future video! That said, the concepts are still much the same, the tuning peg is just oriented sideways versus standing up.
@timseal2045
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Guys. Would love too see a gouge on restringing a Ric 12-string. OMG, I'd rather clean toilets than restring my 360-12...!
@markdecker5352
2 жыл бұрын
I have one too, but haven't had to restring it yet. A friend told me of one trick to get past the problem of the string falling out of the tailpiece. Once you put the end into the tailpiece, pull it taut to the nut and use a capo to keep the string attached to the tailpiece while you deal with attaching at the tuning post.
@mstack1949
Жыл бұрын
LOL! Holding the chromed "R" in place is fun indeed. I've used 3M painters tape (blue) to hold the strings in place. Lots of guys also use a capo. You can also replace the "R" with the rectangular chrome tail with holes they use on the 1993Plus or 660/12 or 660/6. EZ PZ. (But then you always have to contend with the tuning pegs!
@RSlyh
Жыл бұрын
No slots
@CristiNeagu
2 жыл бұрын
Just make sure you stretch your strings properly. Do that and your tuning will be solid.
@JBGuitarInstruction
2 жыл бұрын
Been there done that…TOTALLY UNNECESSARY WASTE OF TIME
@tontosvensen1024
Жыл бұрын
That took three times longer than necessary.
@DRxEggman
8 күн бұрын
Headphones ⚠️ Warning
@soulfonic23
Жыл бұрын
Oy vey Just get locking tuners! We spend 1000’s on all manner of amps,pedals, stands, bejeweled straps boutique cables and whatnot, but there are 1000 videos on a 1000 different ways to knot and wind strings to save us from dropping 130ish on quality locking tuners. Small $ to eliminate a variable and make changing strings dead easy and repeatable and have rock solid stability at the tuner. One less thing to worry and fuss over.
@edmiller8859
2 жыл бұрын
Lol, too complicated. Z-Locking is easy and secure.
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