I've looked around the internet for maybe 2 years for a guide like this one, on a take on 60 cards decks. Thks for this and i followed you
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the follow glad your liking the content! 😃
@emanuelmoreno2272
6 ай бұрын
60 card decks can be mathematicly similar on Game one, but your chances of drawing your Side Deck in the opening hand is lower, 40 or 60 You are going to Side 7 cards Max and when the format is too diverse maybe 2 or 3.
@mrsquadbot
6 ай бұрын
Step 1: Play Branded
@DiverseStyle
6 ай бұрын
Literally the only justified deck to play 60 in the TCG meta right now lol
@deanoxd968
5 ай бұрын
@@DiverseStyleit’s not ahha but ok ahhah
@stevenjp911
5 ай бұрын
@@deanoxd968 just say it's not weirdo🤦🏿♂️
@deanoxd968
5 ай бұрын
@@stevenjp911 what 😂😂😂
@pkkiller_apathy4568
3 ай бұрын
Instructions unclear made Raika Ogdoadic traptrix.
@kerizmaa
6 ай бұрын
Great video man. Glad to see you break it down for the general public. One argument I have though is the idea of what "consistency" means. While it is statistically more likely to see any starter in a 60 by increase the number of total starters, your chance to see any particular, non-engine or non-searchable or side deck card is lowered. If your strategy heavily relies on either post-side adjustments or a non-engine card like Thrust it's less "consistent" in that regard. It seems like there are still pro's and con's to both a 60 and 40.
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
I like how you mention side deck as well. I should have mentioned that side decks in 60 card decks have an advantage because the deck is so big its easier to take out and use the utility of the side deck to put in better blowout cards when the situation calls for it. I have seen some 40 card decks never touch their side because the space was too tight as it was. But you are also correct in that the downside is you will consistently see the blowout cards less because of the size of the 60 card deck. Great point!
@kerizmaa
6 ай бұрын
@@JessePerezStrategyGamingHey another thing I just thought of. You can take it a little deeper. The idea of "consistency" also may not be linear equation. Hear me out. If you have TOO many starters, you are also liable to have a hand that will consistently be good. There is likely a point in a graph where you reach peak number in chance to see a starter, while also having the smallest chance of not having TOO MANY starters, as that is an issue as well. Drawing multiple starters that cannot be used within the same turn(ex. Two normal summons) one of the cards in your hand is effectively dead. How we should probably more accurately define consistency is the deck's ability to both see only the number of starters you need, while also getting to non-engine like hand traps as well. Seeing 1-2 starters and 2-3 hand traps is gas. But seeing 4 starters that conflict is effectively barely better than bricking in some cases.
@Joy_inc
6 ай бұрын
@@JessePerezStrategyGaming respectfully, the decks that couldnt touch the side deck were either limited by the archetype which makes it a conversation of archetype not deck size, poorly built which more than likely doesnt reflect on the deck size, or you kindof didnt have any better non engine to run.
@Joy_inc
6 ай бұрын
@@kerizmaa this is more a conversation of ratios within a deck, but its also largely not an issue in the top decks recently becuase the line between starter and extender is eroding more and more every set
@Andrito3000
6 ай бұрын
I've never ran more than like 43 cards deck and it always bothers me when I can't make it 40. Ive seen plenty of examples in MD that 60 can work quite well. Like I get it that if you mix engines and go above 40 you have better chance of opening only starters and less bricks but I haven't been successful with that.
@darkdave1998
6 ай бұрын
In master duel I used to run 60 cards before Grass got limited because activating grass in such a deck was basically a free win
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Yeah when it works it really works hard. Sometimes you will draw both pile engines and then 2 handtraps and it feels unbeatable as you have basically the strength of 2 archetypes on board. I think you should give it another shot! But if that style is not for you its fine also. Its more of a preference I sometimes find myself having more fun in the deckbuilding process then playing the actual game. It just pains me when I go and look at a netdeck and these people out here building these 60 card decks so suboptimal and inconsistent it leaves me confused.
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Grass really was an insta-win at 3. :D :D :D
@We_Run_Up_Hills
4 ай бұрын
Its archtype dependant!! 60card branded tearlament was insane when merli was legal in md!! (I started running pure branded when gimmick puppet lock became viable)
@We_Run_Up_Hills
4 ай бұрын
Im also playing a rev synchron tear kastira at 50cards, that deck is fun!
@cyrianhunt
6 ай бұрын
Amazing content as per usual. Really glad to see you grinding this content and doing well!
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Really appreciate the comment! Thanks for coming to see all the videos and grow with my channel!
@vitortakara7090
6 ай бұрын
note bricks have only a 8.5% chance of apearring in your hand on 60 card decks but that is only for 1 brick in the deck, the more bricks you load on the deck the worse it will get, so just because you're running a 60 card pile doesn't mean you can run 2~3 small engines all requiring 1 to 2 bricks each and still expect not to draw them normally
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
If you run 2 hard bricks in a 60 card deck that gives you a 23.7% chance to draw at least one of them. So yes I would agree that it is very likely about 1 in 4 games that you will get your brick if you run 2. Then if your putting 3 or more hard bricks the bricks are 100% not worth it. Hard Bricking over 20% chance is too dangerous but soft bricking is not too bad. Most piles run soft bricks, but yes you make an excellent point that if your running 2+ hard bricks I don't think it is worth it either. Excellent points & thank you for watching.
@vitortakara7090
6 ай бұрын
@@JessePerezStrategyGaming i commented this because when ppl run a 60+ card piles mainly lower tier ones they pretty quickly start adding engines that work well with the main archetype but they use sub engines that requires 1 or 2 bricks here and there and pretty quickly the hands start getting 1 or 2 garnets pretty consistently
@hiffwelaflare
6 ай бұрын
so this is why 60 card Branded always draws the nuts! Thank you for giving me the courage to bring my 60 card Synchro Spright pile to locals
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Good luck at your locals hope you do great! Let us know how you did. Thanks for watching!
@TheCritMagnetTV
5 ай бұрын
These videos are what I've been dying to see more on KZitem. Do you have a Discord/Twitter that you keep up with? Yu-gi-oh is one of the big reasons I went back to school to pursue my masters in analytics, so it's awesome to see someone go even further in-depth on ideas I've only thought of over time. Great stuff man
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
5 ай бұрын
I used to run a discord for an Mobile MMO that was called second galaxy. I don't want to confuse people so I think its a good idea to start a new one. Your comment inspired me to make a new one which I made here. You can check it out, I only have the most basic of stuff/bots added as i relearn to get features and whatnot again because i havent used discord seriously in a while. discord.gg/f3kfYNtnzr Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoy the videos! If you know some cool stuff to add plz let me know cuz i can use the tips as i haven't modded a server for quite some time.
@four-en-tee
6 ай бұрын
The big difference really is that its easier to see specific non-engine cards and side deck cards in a 40 card deck as opposed to a 60 card deck. 60 is generally optimal for large toolbox decks more than anything. Stuff like earth machine toolbox or synchro toolbox. In a YCS setting, your side deck is very important, so i would advise against a 60 card deck outside of locals unless your 60 card deck has a good match-up spread against the top decks. This sort of thing is just very format-dependent, 60 card piles aren't commonly a top deck in the format.
@SpellStryker
26 күн бұрын
Did really well in a tournament by playing 60 cards metalfoes years ago. I didn’t bricked once, had infinite resource and all my deck was starters and extenders. Great video, I always thought exactly about this when increasing the deck size.
@CLove-mo7cc
6 ай бұрын
You deserve so many more subscribers bro. Have you though about posting your videos in the yugioh subreddits?
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
I posted on them once before but i also don't want to clog up the space there or seem like i am promoting maliciously. But I do want to do writeups to promote discussion that might now have a clear answer or be more controversial in nature. I will probably do that for certain stats that lead to an opinion that can be more open ended to facilitate discussion and not have public be swayed a certain way. Also, thank you for the kind words.
@i8u2manytimes
6 ай бұрын
I remember when I used to play 60 card hero shaddoll where all my fusion plays were about 1.5 cars combos cause i just needed a light type as my discard and all my habd traps were light types, looking back at it i think it did follow this layout pretty well (this was around the time of dragon link and infernobleknights) where 1 hand trap was enough to stop most decks. Ending on dragoon borreload savage winda with a 2 card combo with either 1 card starters or extenders was really nice
@reesereviews5400
6 ай бұрын
Amazing video yet again, thank you for your hard work!!!
@LikeTheBirb
2 ай бұрын
I usually do methods involving random permutations by looking at the card spread, and picking 5 random ones, swapping ones with others in the deck with the same likelihood to appear, and see how each possible combination might work together depending on the opening combination Adding the math from this video will only make it more intuitive and powerful 👀
@GaussianEntity
3 ай бұрын
I watched this video after a year of basically playing an Orcust pile and trying basically every engine available to me. A lot of trial and error basically got me to similar principles in this video. The only one that I had no idea about is the 20/20/20 ratio. Not sure how I plan on doing that one but it may help that I have utility cards doubling as handtraps (Bystials basically). Good stuff, definitely gonna try to use some of these ideas for my weaker decks.
@mattpope2
6 ай бұрын
Great video! I’d love to see the only one starter and gamma/driver data updated for 60 too!
@darkdave1998
6 ай бұрын
I'm definitely trying out that ratio with my wight deck, thanks
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Yeah its a very simple ratio thats easy to remember and the math goes well with it. You could tweak it slightly but thats the general rule i go with when making 60 card decklists. Thanks for watching!
@SpeezyOTB
6 ай бұрын
I like the idea of having either all hand traps or all Board breakers. I tried to find a balance, but I might try this.
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel like there is a lot of anti synergy when I mix and match handtraps with BBs. Let me know if you find a good balance or a good tech that works for both needs.
@jimtsap04
5 ай бұрын
60 card decks are one of the reasons I dislike maxx c so much, it's just hard to justify playing 60 in a deck that can also be run at 40 while having considerably better odds at winning the maxx c minigame, if a 60 card combo deck can't at least effectively run gamma and/or droll to stop maxx c I often immediately write it off, not to mention having to run all these cards for the minigame gives you less space to run more engine cards in the pile
@santelldavis6733
6 ай бұрын
Continue making guides like this plz
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it.
@Gabriel3Gamu
6 ай бұрын
Jessie great video. I am glad you improved the audio hopefully that means more retaining rate of views and more subs. 👍🏼 keep the great work and content.
@HeadGunter343GS
6 ай бұрын
Great video! I'm currently on a pile deck, I got second and top 4 at back to back OTS tournaments w it this past weekend, and I'm taking it to a regional this weekend. I def ran numbers to see the consistency of opening combo, not specifically starters, but combo. So the math gets muddy bc it's not as simple as: 1 terra forming, 3 wraisoth, 3 unicorn, 3 fenrir. But rather chances of opening up 1 specific card, with the other card being able to be any of 25 other cards in your deck, etc etc. thats is probably why I dont follow the 20/20/20 adherently. But I do run 17 non engine, and then 43 engine, but since I'm running 3 engines and each engine has their own one card starter into full combo, they are essentially both starters and utility/extenders, which would in turn mean that I almost follow that 20/20/20 rule. What's interesting to look at are the strengths and weaknesses of your deck as a whole. I find it that my deck has a pretty good time going second, so I chose to lean a little more into the starter/extenders since I don't want 3/4/5 HTS in my hand going first, I want combo. And I've found that it works really well.
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
I have seen some dedicated Board Breaker Blind 2nd Kash decks work well just never seem to work for me in the long run. But I do know that Triple Tactics is a Snake Eye Killer when they use IP to make apollousa. Please let me know how you do - I hope you crush it!
@xCorvus7x
5 ай бұрын
Mixing handtraps and boardbreakers is usually not advisable but some can work together and there is nuance to how poorly some actually work together with others. E. g. Infinite Impermanence is not just a handtrap but also a boardbreaker; rather weak, admittedly, but sometimes that's all you need to make your Evenly Matched go through and clear the way for your engine plays.
@crossflux971
4 ай бұрын
I've seen this video after having seen your Board Breakers > Hand Traps video. So I wonder, does the 20-20-20 ratio still apply? Would it be optimal to run a 60-card Going 2nd Deck that has board breakers instead of hand traps?
@ozimantv
6 ай бұрын
Here is the thing you don't understand and I am saying this as a 60 card pile builder. The "consistency" problem is not actually is a consistency problem. People just can't find a word for it that fits well. The problem is rather that the bad hands in a pile deck is worse than the bad hands in a 40 card deck. This is because engines require different garnets and these different garnets take separate spaces. Here is the thing tho. The good hands are MUCH better than 40 card good hands to the degree that you can create impossible to break boards and have the ability to break boards your opponent thought are impossible to be broken. There is 1 aspect that is very important on this that people don't consider though. The floodgates hurt 60 card decks WAYYYYY more. So how good 60 card decks are is meta relevant. Lets take the case study of masterduel. There are cards like dimension shifter which completely stump the 60 card decks unless the user of that card also bricks and has nothing else. Cards like Maxx C completely hard counter and it is not surprising since 60 card decks are just combo decks on steroids basically. So 60 card decks rely heavily on meta. THere is also the aspect of what deck thinning cards are legal. For example, tearlements is the single best thing that happened to 60 card decks ever and it is even more impactful than Grass. The reason is that they not only thin the deck for graveyard use but also they are the graveyard use. My opinion of what should we use as stop it cards in 60 cards is actually simple. The perfect ratio is 2 kaiju aoe clear with 3 different name kaijus (the water one being aqua helps with tearlements which is very significant) 3 nibirus/maxx c depending on format and if 3 maxx c then +1 nibiru. 1 ash because it is hard once per turn and usually it is not even good enough anymore since multiple starters are so common. Then you can add cards that have synergy as either costs or rewards for searches. For example Dragon rulers being unleashed gives the wind dragon hand trap for level 7 quite a good support. Then there is snake eye and kurikara In terms of utility imo tearlements is both engine and utility that should be in a 60 card pile no questions asked but not the cards in that archetype that can brick. Only use monsters and the field spell + don't run 3 of the heart card because he is once per and easy to get to in a combo. Personally I like to utilize ancient fairy dragon ravine + destrudo to get access to tearlements which will unlock the whole deck along with an archetype that can utilize single power cards with no or minimal bricks like kashtira unicorn + kashtira monster search guy + their field spell or snake eye ash x3 but the other snake eyes at 1. Also I disagree with ratios if you are talking about master duel. You need 10 staple universal cards then 8 1 card combo starters that are included in 28 starters that are mostly 2 card combos that can miss match like the ancient fairy engine basically 1 and a half card combos that can use each other as costs and targets and so on. Diabelstar is another good example.
@YohananYGO
6 ай бұрын
Good job thanks for this video , I like playing pile decks with engines
@GSchneeglockchen
6 ай бұрын
Cool video, i feel like videos like these helps with my ocd of forcing my deck to be 40 just so it "looks" nice
@TruePartyKing
5 ай бұрын
Love this, gonna use this for the new TheRikkAromavalon plant pile, I played small world since it’s release and it takes care of piles so well, suddenly you run 4 kaijus, 4 panks, etc
@maddenmike4994
3 ай бұрын
This channel is so goated
@Kotenok_29jan
6 ай бұрын
nice content! First time seeing this type of content on a video
@IC-23
6 ай бұрын
Oh look a video I can link instead of having to hard explain why 60 card Ojamas are better. When your deck has upwards of 15 bricks (6 of which become garnets if you draw multiple of the same name and ups your brick ratio to 17/18 brick 60 Cards is mandatory because ot also gives you breathing room for non-engine. Greay video and I'm glad someone's actually put why 60 card piles are necessarily less consistent than 40
@rejeanbrown3621
2 ай бұрын
Great I been seeing this about the place . Been agreeing as well 60 cards is the way
@VP-tn1ip
6 ай бұрын
i dont understand math but this video is awesome, keep up the good work dude love this vid
@kenshi1985br
4 ай бұрын
I should do a video specially on piling mechanics, some engines that doesn't require normal summons that we can use to boost consistency
@LikeTheBirb
2 ай бұрын
I like Allure + D.D. Crow in decks with other DARKs, especially if they have effects when banished, and a Gizmek Orochi, especially if the deck runs Foolish Burial If I run Small World, no more than 2. Its not important enough, and if it is, I run Thrust too, so I can just grab it then.
@lauras1758
6 ай бұрын
Wow! I wish I knew all this before! This was so helpful for my runs, do you think we can we get a 2 card combo? Subscribed btw, this stuff is awesome 🤩
@tbd1425
6 ай бұрын
Not to go against what you're saying, because it's true in terms of the math behind it. I think that an important thing to note is that there's more than just the probabilities that plays into certain decks being able to run gargantuan piles. The biggest example here is Master Duel and Branded. The meme of Branded being able to run 60 is partly due to the math behind it and the fact that Grass is a sacky card that basically reads win the game if you resolve it, but also because Verte exists and effectively turns any two bodies on board into Brafu. Having what is effectively a psuedo-starter in your extra is a massive reason for why Branded can run 60 without really caring. That's why something like Opening getting limited doesn't really hurt the pile deck despite it being one of your starters. And it shows in the results too. If you look at current MDM tournament decks (not the best indicator, but gives some insight) the only Branded deck that put up results and didn't use Verte is running a 45 card deck. That's the lowest of any Branded deck currently topping online tournaments. Run any more than that and Verte is practically guaranteed or you're throwing.
@xCorvus7x
5 ай бұрын
You bring up two card combos as a weakness but why, then, does Branded work relatively well as a sixty-card deck? Branded has no real one-card combos and certainly less than twenty starter cards that work completely on their own, yet in the past there have been times where such decks outperformed most others.
@boswaki4
5 ай бұрын
With Runick, will have a long time to deck you out
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
5 ай бұрын
yeah they usually win because of the card advantage that fountain gets. so strong!
@zestyflamingo
6 ай бұрын
I get so excited for your videos
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Thank you! This made my day. I'm happy you get excited for my videos i hope i can continue to deliver!
@CLove-mo7cc
6 ай бұрын
Any chance you can do a video on the ideal probability for decks the centre around 2 card combos? An example of a deck like that would be a pure predaplant deck
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Yes no problem, i have been getting many requests for a 2 card combo video I am confident that that will be one of my next 3 videos. Great suggestion and thanks for watching.
@k45hc1ll4
6 ай бұрын
This video I think is going to help me break my stigma against decks with more than 40 cards 😂 I’ll take all the deck building tips I can get
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Its still fine to hold the stigma. A majority of decks over 40 cards will likely unoptimized and poorly built. The ones you have to worry about will be those in high ranks in master duel or in deeper rounds in tournament play for TCG.
@k45hc1ll4
6 ай бұрын
@@JessePerezStrategyGaming I’ve learned first hand how scary consistent 60 card decks can be, hopefully I can start to craft some of my own. Appreciate the insight, the charts and graphs really help as well
@Lefty.369
3 ай бұрын
I just built a branded despia swordsoul chimera with a touch of bystial deck. It's still in progress but the results are coming along swell if I do say so myself
@SUNNY05143
6 ай бұрын
I personally think you should have changed the 20 handtrap recommendation to a more general "non-engine" title. I don't entirely agree that you can't play board breakers with handtraps, generally in deckbuilding. A deck like runick can play highly impactful handtraps like Droll or Nibiru and doesn't need to play a critical mass, alongside the fact that their engine are basically just a bunch of board breakers.
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
You are absolutely correct. There are some formats where the BBs are better and a strong duelist can certainly build and mix-match handtraps and board breakers but I felt like i was going to go down a huge rabbit hole if i went talking about that. Like a teacher when you ask them a question and then they go off on a random tangent. lol maybe I can discuss that for another video though! But yes your point is very true. Thank you for adding this important insight to the discussion.
@franksartori9741
6 ай бұрын
Interesting video, but can I ask maybe for 1 card combo examples? Like to justify this 60 card build?
@LG22475
6 ай бұрын
I'm thinking of attempting to build a 60 card Blue-Eyes Lightsworn deck utilizing the new Lightsworn support. The idea is to mill as much as possible so that Dragon Magia Master (or other fusion) can be easily summoned from the GY. Not sure if this will work as Blue Eyes isn't known for it's one card starters.
@TheOneTrueKingOTK
6 ай бұрын
What's the name of the Yigioh Vrains song in the background at the beginning of the video? I tried finding it so many times.
@thekittenfreakify
6 ай бұрын
It's the same math for both. 40 to 50% of the deck needs to be engine or engine starters. The limiti on bricks is the same 10% of the seck in both amounts
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Depending on your definitions Of bricks, 10% of bricks in a deck is wayy to much imo. That means your running 4 -6 bricks. That means the probability of drawing into a brick is over 33% which is way to high in a format where every card needs to count. Similarly 50% of the deck being starters will oversaturate your hand with starters and make the additional starters unless. These starters in hand could have been handtraps, extenders, or board breakers instead adding more utility.
@Yikarur
3 ай бұрын
What program do you use for those graphs? :)
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
3 ай бұрын
MS excel/ PowerPoint. They do their job. 👍
@KingOfGamesss
5 ай бұрын
Honestly...Larger-Size decks are more FUN to play with...I wish the rules were changed to 100 cards vs 100 cards ONLY (or at least force both duelists to use the exact Same-Sized decks in every duel...for fairness)
@saitougin7210
6 ай бұрын
"Protecting your Garnets" is what Yacine656 calls "drowning the bricks".
@NexusSpacey
3 ай бұрын
Edit: you mention pile decks, let me watch the video first... Will edit again after. Okay, but what if you're playing different starters from different engines, all with either similar or different weaknesses than eachother? I could keep throwing hypotheticals, but just ask if you want elaboration
@bjornironside8671
6 ай бұрын
I am a stack player even meta lists i pull i always build a 60 variant more good cards more better most bestest deck
@rashawunjones3281
4 ай бұрын
Mathematically droll hits 60 card decks more than 40 😅
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
4 ай бұрын
facts! its glued to their opening hand lol
@rashawunjones3281
4 ай бұрын
@@JessePerezStrategyGaming ayeee I take that risk I can't play 40 cards no more unless it's meta
@polaloy6800
5 ай бұрын
So, i test this math with snake-eye kash and i brick less than 40 card but lower win rate .i think this is bcz Max c you want to draw max c and card to negate max c consistency since it win condition it own.
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
5 ай бұрын
maxx C does win games on its own. devastating card when it resolves it insta win games.
@EqualsN
6 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I was looking for thank you!!!
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
So happy you liked this video! Glad you enjoyed it. And Thank you for watching.
@Joy_inc
6 ай бұрын
there are many reasons to use a 60 card deck, but saying that 60 cards will be as consistent is flat out wrong. yugioh is such an "out" heavy game, you really want to specificity in what your drawing. Additionally whether or not 60 card decks are good is very dependant on the archetype you play, something like teir that really wanted to use the grave and had so much amazing mill played better at 60 becuase they could afford to play at that level, but something like purrely would never want to be run at that level becuase again you need the specificity in what your drawing. Also this "20,20,20" rule is flat out rediculous, the ratio of starters too utility and combo peices is completely dependant on the deck. tldr; i think there are a lot of decks that can work around a sixty card deck, especailly decks that are specifically mill, or garnet heavy, but trying to that it is genarically as good as a 40 card is plain wrong. its really hard to make general rules for deckbuilding in yugioh becuase of how unique so many archetypes are but unless your a deck that explicitly goes against this, less cards in the deck the better. also side tangent but a) pile decks tend to be less consistant than more focused cores b) the dpe package and the punk package you refrenced are just that, packages. they are often used as insular combos used to boost the consistancy of your primary archetype, not as a seprate mode for your deck like in piles and finally c) archetypes today (especailly decks like snake eyes today and purrely from a little while ago) can already run 40 card decks that have like 25 starters that all also work as extenders so again unless you like a grass is always greener strategy you really dont get much from 60 cards thats worth the trade off of consitancy
@Joy_inc
6 ай бұрын
i feel the gama video was much better becuase of how specific you could get with it, but i feel the biggest problem with this video is your taking an idea that largely is an incredibly specific issue and try to talk about it broadly, like whether or not you should run 60 is archetype specific, the ratios are archetype specific, i would even argue you definition of consistancy, and how to boost it is archetype specific. for example, dragunity is a deck that largely runs 3 or 6 starters depending on how you define a starter (3 remus and 3 dragon ravien and sometimes 2 senatus if its pure) but thats offset by the metric fuck ton of searchers in the deck, yk?
@nemesisthecryingowl
6 ай бұрын
hey wasnt the grass looks greener banned ? or did they unban it in the tcg
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
Grass is at 1 in Master Duel, 2 in OCG, still banned in TCG but if its ever unbanned immediately a card to consider and always warrants discussion. Wanted to draw attention to it and some other strong milling cards that most people would instantly recognize, but there are others that are out of archtype or not as well known like for example in reptiles snake rain is busted GY card etc.
@agentofshield21
5 ай бұрын
How much does this differ from a 50 card deck?
@Rainer2424
2 ай бұрын
Hate to point it out but you spelled consistency wrong at like 30 seconds in
@polocatfan
6 ай бұрын
55 pot of greed, 5 exodia pieces
@W0TAN
6 ай бұрын
60 cards strongest! It's so obnoxious how much worse it is in Master Duel specifically because of Maxx "C"...
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
I have no idea how that card is still legal its over 93% used in every deck... that is basically saying its mandatory without actually saying that
@phenexgaming6094
5 ай бұрын
Maby i should try and use thus info but my local has some pritty wealthy high educatief players and thear is me the didnt give me the chance 2 finish school snd i have adha and autisme its dificult fore me 2 have fun some time at locals
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
5 ай бұрын
The great thing about Yugioh is that dont don't need money to have a good time for Yugioh. If you know your going against people with money and the most meta decks then make your goal to try to take just a win off of them. Also, sometimes rouge strategies can beat meta decks because they are not used to seeing rouge decks play so there can be an advantage playing non-meta cards as well. In any event, just have fun even if you lose! Don't get discouraged! If you play and lose just try to improve wherever you can and know that there is fun in losing as long as you made a good deck to the best of your abilities. Know you are going in as an underdog so every game you win is a big victory statistically speaking. Keep me updated! Happy to help you with your deckbuilding if you want.
@phenexgaming6094
5 ай бұрын
@@JessePerezStrategyGaming thansk fore the kind words
@fisix4phun637
6 ай бұрын
"You can run the cards you see here" Sir these cards are banned!
@DexLeroy
6 ай бұрын
Or you could just do ALL of this in a 40ish card deck. It's always the Braindead (Branded) players. Just play gas, no hand traps and you get the same results you're trying to pitch for a 60 card deck. You wouldn't need to mill as much if you just played like normal, or just played mill cards in general. And if you're going to mill don't bother playing hand traps, that's counterintuitive.
@notthing6692
6 ай бұрын
first
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
:D ! i uploaded at a random midnight time too at 12 AM EST lol. Congrats & thanks for watching!
@s-zs7nn
6 ай бұрын
This is full of misinformation. You present everything in the most favourable way for 60 card decks and dont discuss any drawbacks. Youre not interpreting the math either. Same chance of opening a starter in 40 or 60 still mean very very different things in many ways. And most importantly you hardly properly explain the theory/benefit of going 60 cards in the first place. Your consistency analysis is wrong, your utility analysis is wrong and no u dont avoid weakness by not having any 2 card combos in ur deck lol and somehow gain more utility and consistency at the same time.
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
I would like to thank you for watching the video and leaving this remark. If I have conveyed any misinformation just know that was not my intention at all. The benefits of a 60 card deck I tried to push is that they can be just as consistant as a 40 card deck if built correctly, can protect your bricks by making them be drawn less, and have the luxury if often running 2+ engines. If this information appeared discepive, misleading, or incorrect math on my part I would like to correct it. Apologies and thank you again for watching
@KingOfGamesss
5 ай бұрын
"Consistency" does not matter at all in this game because the MAIN (Key-Word) goal of this game is NOT to win...it is TO HAVE FUN (All games are meant to be FUN). Take very careful notice of the Key-Word back there...
@cheesycheese7100
4 ай бұрын
Perhaps a form of having fun is optimizing a deck
@KingOfGamesss
4 ай бұрын
@@cheesycheese7100 Exactly right, Custom-Building your own LARGE Max-Size 60 card deck and learning it's weaknesses through losing and then upgrading it after each loss until it wins...there is no greater FUN to be had (Especially if you have FAIR duels where both duelists are using the Same-Size MAX 60 decks)...anyway I repeat my previous comment...the MAIN goal is NOT to Win. Fun comes first before winning
@cheesycheese7100
4 ай бұрын
@@KingOfGamesss that's great that you find that particular way to be so fun! I would disagree on the idea that deck size determines how "fair" a match is. There's a wide variety of decks that fight strong anywhere between 40 or 60 cards
@KingOfGamesss
4 ай бұрын
@@cheesycheese7100 A disagreement is just a convincement waiting to happen. To clarify...A FAIR duel can only be when both duelists are using the SAME-SIZED decks (Examples are 40 vs 40, 50 vs 50, 60 vs 60, 70 vs 70, 80 vs 80, 90 vs 90, 100 vs 100). Yu-Gi-Oh! Rules used to have a Max deck size of 80 cards (UNFORTUNATELY they later changed it to 60...but I reckon the rules should be 100 cards ONLY no more, no less...for maximum FUN)...anyway getting back to my point...would you seriously say a duel that is 40 vs 100 could EVER be considered a FAIR duel?
@djjorge87
Ай бұрын
Bro, you gotta stop giving away all my secrets, dude. I thought they stopped teaching these kids math. I thought this was a lost art. Why are you trying to make people smarter bro? I don't appreciate this l o.L.
@joseyunespalomera4791
6 ай бұрын
How having 33 starters in a 40 card deck means 100% chance of drawing any of them if you draw 5 cards? There is a chance to draw your 7 bricks in a 5 cards open. That's definitely not 100% something is wrong with that math buddy 🫤
@JessePerezStrategyGaming
6 ай бұрын
The exact number is 99.997% chance which when rounding to 2 decimals its more accurate to round to 100% then 99.99%. But you are absolutely right it is not exactly 100% sorry for any confusion.
@antman7673
6 ай бұрын
It is a rounding error at some point. Good luck opening all 5 pieces of exodia.
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