Get your kick and 808 bass in phase with this simple oscilloscope technique. Dial in the perfect punch… without any processing! Try or buy Cableguys plugins: www.cableguys.com/products
The one time 'inverting the polarity' actually saved the day.
@dickfuckmcguff7640
6 ай бұрын
Wdym? It does all the time. Especially in recording
@dreamshots_PIB
9 күн бұрын
It does that more often than everyone would think 😅
@Hirokka
7 ай бұрын
I love that SB has a stand-alone oscilloscope. It made stuff like this more convenient to do
@IanSolano
7 ай бұрын
LFO Tool has the same. It's such a handy thing to have.
@stereokel
7 ай бұрын
@@IanSolano imho the UI of LFO Tool looks so out of date. Wasn't even good at release.
@IanSolano
7 ай бұрын
So true, @@stereokel It def needs a facelift! Same with Arts Acoustic Reverb, lol.
@stereokel
7 ай бұрын
@@IanSolano yeah this looks also aged
@dreamshots_PIB
9 күн бұрын
@@IanSolanoalso 75% of the waves line up 😭 i only have 1 waves plug in left installed, don't even remember which one, i guess it's trans-x (which is also outdated af but does the job sometimes, but got replaced fast by the ridiculously simple "transient shaper" by kilohearts which is free btw, would recommend the free kilohearts plug ins to everyone too) The plug in industry always update the wrong ones, like NI with massive x which never got used by anybody, so they put the old OG massive back in the shop 😂 same goes with quadrafuzz or saturn, the OG ones were perfect 👌🏼😭 And then we have companys like waves selling EQs looking like windows 95 with 12db slopes only for the same price as kirchoff - while nova is free and the most DAWs have updated their EQs to habe a dynamic option and mid/side processing like studio one or cubase
@Cableguys
7 ай бұрын
FYI, the plugin used in the video is ShaperBox 3's Oscilloscope Tool 👀👍
@IanSolano
7 ай бұрын
I mean... what else would it have been seeing as we're on Cable Guys KZitem! Lol. Another blinding tip, thank you!
@DSPGOD
7 ай бұрын
For those who don't get it: opposite waveforms cancels each other (no sound) and equal waves gives an amplified waveform 🎉physic of waves. If interested read👉 constructive interference
@TheChromaticz355
7 ай бұрын
Until the 808 changes pitch! Solution: either pitch the kick higher than the highest note of the 808 or use sidechain ! Or manually change phase for each clash and see the oscilloscope!
@TheGTALover
7 ай бұрын
Than*
@Maclynth
7 ай бұрын
Not needed mate kick only lasts o that split second and u just need it to punch through kick stops playing before 80& even changes pitch
@samelecta10122
6 ай бұрын
how long are your kicks lol
@TheChromaticz355
6 ай бұрын
@@samelecta10122 enough to mess the phase and loose power! If you know you know!!
@Maclynth
6 ай бұрын
usually between 50 and 200ms@@samelecta10122
@CSY2K
5 ай бұрын
Bite size music tutorials like this I love. I honestly didn’t see any need in reversing polarity up until now, thanks for the advice!
@_TheViewer_
7 ай бұрын
The oscilloscope is so damn useful, love it ! 👌
@idonthknowwhattuputhere
6 ай бұрын
I am SO happy someone finally said "invert the polarity" instead of "invert the phase"!!!!
@boomboomnation
5 күн бұрын
👏 this channel is so good
@javierlozada4689
5 ай бұрын
Ya'll are legit the BEST of the not huge plugin makers
@KingDavo
5 ай бұрын
Perfect illustration of: it's the little things that matter.
@SjarMenace
6 ай бұрын
Very convenient selecting kicks and the bass waveform that matches up the best. With other notes its hard always have the phase align
@thepope9648
7 ай бұрын
this guy never misses 🔥🔥
@mttlsa686
7 күн бұрын
I can't count how many times a simple phase shifting on the bass or on the kick drum has made the entire mix to breathe like magic.
@RealJaybeeMusic
6 күн бұрын
Science, man 🤙
@yaoguangtang1759
7 ай бұрын
Best plugins.
@rocklee9199
5 ай бұрын
How to do this in Logic Pro!
@infinitystratos5292
5 ай бұрын
I adjust every note manually if the Kick and 808 plays at the same time, its always a little bit time and nerve consuming but at the end if Kick and 808 play toghether they support each other and the Kick dont loose punch.
@JeanMajid-dy4dj
7 ай бұрын
How can I layer the sounds in logic pro x to get the same view?
@bengsynthmusic
7 ай бұрын
Is it possible to have a feature to make the plugin auto-align the phase?
@3d8d
6 ай бұрын
Never knew this, but I had knowledge about the phase and out of phase thing . This is awesome man. Can't we change the start time of the kick or bass to adjust the phase to perform the same???
@PauLtus_B
Ай бұрын
"Can't we change the start time of the kick or bass to adjust the phase to perform the same???" Yes. Reminded me of some advice from some producers: If you ever need to do this by ear, which can if it's visually not really working, try to adjust the phase until it sounds the worst, and then reverse the polarity.
@enso3460
7 ай бұрын
how did you invert the polarity?
@louisp
7 ай бұрын
With ableton utility pluging!
@ObjectorSnark
6 ай бұрын
@@louisp THANK YOU!! i've been trying to find that for the last week!
@drrodopszin
6 күн бұрын
What happens if you have a live recorded kick track where things are not so square?
@simonsoderberg4831
6 ай бұрын
What happens when the 808 changes notes and the waveform is different?
@vestanpance99
6 ай бұрын
Probably have to start messing around with the rendered tracks.
@tebohomotsoeneng2509
5 ай бұрын
Normally, I'll have two versions of the same kick. Each one will be aligned appropriately with the correct note of the 808.
@djschmoove869
7 ай бұрын
How can you zoom in shaper box?
@StormbreakerYT
7 ай бұрын
Tbh I couldn’t hear any difference, maybe it’s because the cycles of the alignment were simply to short
@h8f8
7 ай бұрын
Is it wrong to add a transient shaper, mix kicks loud and clip your kicks hard with 808s lower??
@Jmpwfdpdl
7 ай бұрын
Like many thing in music, if it sounds good, that’s all that matters. The old school engineers may have their own way of doing it. But if you like it, it’s probably fine.
@analogueak
7 ай бұрын
Another, possibly easier solution is to delay the bass by 1-10 milliseconds.
@wowland6873
6 ай бұрын
You'll likely lose low end doing this because there will be a space of silence between the kick and sub, kick sub relation is something more people should think about imo.
@analogueak
6 ай бұрын
@@wowland6873 I listen and make sure to not delay it enough to make it lose low end of course. But to do this requires very accurate monitoring of the lowest frequencies and trained ears. It would be nice to just have a "short-cut" like this, but that would also require purchasing the software.
@norwardradtke1361
5 ай бұрын
If I put kilohearts disperser on a group with just my Kick and bass in it does it do this automatically? Since disperser snaps the waveform peaks together around a point you determine and then disperses them outward from whatever frequency you pick?
@zoid3515
5 ай бұрын
@@analogueakyou don’t need this specific oscilloscope to do this. Also what you’re doing with the delay thing is just a worse version of side chaining, not trying to hate or anything but you should just sidechain instead
@analogueak
5 ай бұрын
@zoid3515 I don't think i was clear enough. I apologize. Im talking about delaying the sample a very small amount of time that is equivalent to a fraction of a single cycle of the waveform. It literally the same result as using this plugin but youdo not need thd plugin. What you DO need is a solid understanding of how sound works.
@aaronpolichar7936
6 ай бұрын
I'm wondering why they sound exactly the same to me.
@mohammadkanaan6697
7 ай бұрын
👌🏼💯💯💯
@thecookreporting
6 ай бұрын
interesting
@ashtref4524
7 ай бұрын
I dont know but out of phase was hearable through my phone
@lovro18
7 ай бұрын
mono is amazing for noticing phase issues
@jaybuck9124
5 ай бұрын
Btw noise cancellation is basically inverting a waveform and then playing it back to cancel out audio. If you're using out of phase kick and bass samples, you're basically noise cancelling bro😂😂😂😂
@djtrippd
6 ай бұрын
I'm listening on studio monitors and it actually rattled something on the punchier version.
@Cableguys
6 ай бұрын
Doof! 🥊
@rogercabo5545
7 ай бұрын
the 8O8 sounds terrible.. did you used the Akai xl3000 for sampling at 8bit at 4k?! 😂
@Cohen-
5 ай бұрын
I only hear a very very slight difference tbh
@CKrippa45
6 ай бұрын
or you could just sidechain….
@neffix6976
6 ай бұрын
Sidechain.....
@zarodgaming1844
5 ай бұрын
I litterally hear no difference 😮 my headphones 🎧 really are bad
@_wayneman_
6 ай бұрын
This isn't punchy. This is boomy and will just destroy your mix's low end.
@chocomalk
7 ай бұрын
As cool as this is is there really a point in having 2 kicks because that is essentially what is going on here. An "808 bass" is actually a kick and you only need one transient. So craft a better kick or 808 that has the elements you want and avoid the phase issues all together.
@ballskin
7 ай бұрын
There's many reasons. Different kicks and 808s have unique tonal characteristics, which will contribute to a different sound palette. Layering them can add sonic richness and complexity to an otherwise dull low-end. It helps with frequency range coverage too. One kick may excel in the lower frequencies while another has more midrange or high frequencies. Using both gives more balance and dynamics. Not to mention the context of an 808, for example, within the mix. Perhaps you don't always want an 808 hitting. Layering kicks and 808s (and anything else for that matter), allows for specific processing and effects to be applied to each layer to shape the sounds. Also 808s aren't always kicks.
@chocomalk
7 ай бұрын
You can build it from scratch to your tonal desires and avoid phase issues but 808s are kicks used as basses.@@ballskin
@richtrelo
7 ай бұрын
@@chocomalkThe 808 bass sound is used as a bass rather than a kick in these cases. Sure, you could create from scratch but if you’re after that 808 bass sound, why would you bother?
@ballskin
7 ай бұрын
@@chocomalk Making music isn't just about efficiency. It's about expression, which is why people layer sounds, etc. And 808s can be kicks or basses.
@chocomalk
7 ай бұрын
It's also about production and layering 2 transients hitting at the same time is one of the biggest mistakes people make even before phase issues. This causes higher peaks and possibly clipping. And the Roland TR-808 has no bass, it's a kick which is why people have so many issues layering 2 kicks instead of combining a transient, body and tail to create one cohesive hit. You may think I am being pedantic but it is a kick and way easier to mix if you treat it as one. @@ballskin
@pizzamouthtallahassee7177
7 ай бұрын
wth is an oscilloscope and where do I find one?
@darklight8774
6 ай бұрын
sidechaining be like: exists
@JohhnooTheBeast
7 ай бұрын
This has absolutely 0 relevance to my entire life, but I enjoyed it nevertheless 😂
@litDevYT
7 ай бұрын
Logic Pro user 💀
@lil_floofer
7 ай бұрын
that's ableton lmao
@MegaChoo2
7 ай бұрын
Do not concern yourself with learning anything. AI will be creating all music soon. Best to find an entry level job.
@christicolello4520
7 ай бұрын
even if that was true, keeping the art of producing alive is imperative! learning all of it is still worth it to me (:
@avinashkhandre0321
7 ай бұрын
Lol AI will never be able to make music as beautiful as humans do
@Jmpwfdpdl
7 ай бұрын
Oh great so I should just stop making music cuz AI is gonna come after me? A lot people make music because they genuinely enjoy it, not for monetary gain.
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