as soon as i was able to cure my GAS, by convincing myself that too much gear will always be a hassle to connect/manage/route, loopop appears with a perfect soution
@BeniRoseMusic
2 жыл бұрын
Man, after talking my friends' ears off about "my setup" for the past decade, I feel like this video was custom made for me! No one thinks about set ups enough!
@ConductiveLabs
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for featuring MRCC in your "ultimate" matrix routing solution! Another fantastic video. We made MRCC because having tried many, both modern and vintage MIDI routers we really wanted to eliminate the need to do "IT" while in the creative space. If you feel that having the convenience of "Real Friggin Buttons Technology" (TM) will make your studio a better place to create, we invite you to give MRCC a try. Its not the cheapest solution, but it's certainly the most deluxe for the price. Brushed black anodized aluminum enclosure, hand silk screened interface, color OLED graphical display, and RGB LEDs for every input and output provide for an immediacy that can't be matched. If you need even more ports than MRCC offers, then connect two MRCC's with a shielded Ethernet cable. If you don't need quite that much, use the Remote 7 to add 5 routable outputs (plus 2x 3.5mm TRS thru) with the included 10 meter Ethernet cable, or the just announced MRCC XpandR 4x1 to add 4 more DIN inputs and one DIN output (plus a couple of TRS A ports) using the MRCC USB host port. You can use up to four XpandR's per MRCC. Almost half of our customers purchase rack ears. Be sure to use Loopop's shop links above.
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words and for sending it over, and amen to RFBT!!
@madagreement
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort Loopop, but I think I'll keep buying synths and store them in my attic, much easier 😆
@doctorauxiliary
2 жыл бұрын
bwahahaha!!
@rhialto39
2 жыл бұрын
You're lucky to have an attic, as an apartment-dweller my unused synths are slowly replacing my furniture. I eat dinner over a Lyra-8 rather than a dining table at this point.
@madagreement
2 жыл бұрын
@@rhialto39 I actually a pizza on top of my prophet 6 once in an old flat hahaha ! I feel the pain and hear the amazing analog sounds too ^^
@lycosa2000
2 жыл бұрын
That statement definitely hits home. I just got into modular and it's eating up all my desk space. I thought... no problem... I'll just buy a travel case. I hadn't realized that a travel case might cost approximately what a kidney would cost on the black market. So now I'm building my own case. I could probably build 15 cases for what it costs to get a decent sized travel case. Which might be a bad thing since now I'll start running out of room for my travel cases.
@powermix24
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@MrChrieger
27 күн бұрын
For all those buying the matrix mixer. The ground noise that you might experience come from the led’s in the device. Turn them off after patching by pressing recall+shift. Thanks for this great Video. My Setup is coming along great because of you! 🙏🏻
@measures_of_distance
Ай бұрын
the label printer + magnet tip is gold
@ChristopherOrth
2 жыл бұрын
Great walkthrough of your setup! Love to see these. A takeaway that may not be obvious to some is, "DO NOT use your DAW as the central MIDI router!" Latency, routing issues, slow setup, and more. Ugg... The computer should be just another node in your studio, not the central hub. This means one can easily flip a switch or two and more between DAWless, in-the-box, and hybrid without any rewiring or delay.
@mimikova390
2 жыл бұрын
I do not want to route the midi through the PC but I do want the daw to control the clock. Is that bad? Currently, that is how I run. Thanks for your advice in advance. Please explain if you have time. If not I understand.
@ropeburn6684
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely true. If anything, the central MIDI router could be a combined midi interface / router that works even without the computer, but is configurable by it for convenience.
@orthoooo
2 жыл бұрын
These are some good reasons not to use a computer, not to mention it's just more fun and tactile, but as you move outboard you start to lose the unity or recallability of your song setup. Like where does all your MIDI tracks and audio end up? Is it named and organized? Even with a computer this can be a problem because i can get lazy and feel like everything is recallable when i havent done all of my housekeeping.
@XanderEwald
Жыл бұрын
Painfully true!
@WackyJackyTracky
Жыл бұрын
With a DAW and/or a Software like MIDIquest you have Total-Recall of your project on all MIDI Hardware! Just get ohne or More good MIDI Interfaces (like MioXL), Then you can connect Every device with its MIDI OUT too, as most devices are capable of outputting their pot-movements so you can record and edit them in the DAW! With Special MIDI-Interfaces that also use Audio-Outputs of your Computer you can get a rock solid Clock (sample exact synchronized to your DAW!) for your Hardware-Sequencers! This MRCC can Not even connect 8 MIDI devices with all In and Outs, and Chaining them introduces latency too, and some devices dont even have Thrus or dont connect CC/Sysex Data there.
@krazywabbit
Жыл бұрын
I started in this space a year ago. No clue what I was doing. It's starting to click to the point I finally got my gear out on the desk and taking that next step of trying to connect things so I can mess around with more than one piece of gear. This is the second video, after Benn, talking about the MRCC and this was very helpful and I believe it has a place in my toolbox. Love seeing the Play being used! One of my favorite devices. The outro of this video is what I aspire to do and this was great inspiration. Not my first video I've watched of yours but the first time I got inspiration as things are starting to connect vs, oh, look at that shiny new toy. Thank you for all you do. Have a great rest of your day.
@wega4105
Жыл бұрын
Hey I like your music! @krazywabbit !
@floflow1024
2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see more about how the sequencing works in practice
@_MattSauer_
2 жыл бұрын
A cheap MIDI matrix router option, if you have an iPhone or iPad, is using the AUM app with a USB hub and a MIDI interface (if you have older DIN-only MIDI gear). AUM has a great visual MIDI matrix, and you can use that feature on its own without any other stuff going on in the app. Any USB MIDI devices connected to the hub will show up with their device name and In- and Out- entries in the matrix. DIN MIDI devices can share a single MIDI DIN out from a simple 1x1 USB-MIDI interface using their MIDI through ports (or software-selected MIDI thrus) or a separate MIDI through box. If I want to use an outboard controller, sequencer, or master keyboard I can use the 1x1 interface's MIDI In and then route that MIDI note or controller data wherever I want using the matrix. Either way, MIDI handles the routing to hardware devices via MIDI channel settings. I don't think AUM allows MIDI channel naming, so a list of hardware gear and their respective MIDI channels might be needed in large setups. As Loopop mentions, USB MIDI devices can often also be powered via the USB hub, which is great and cuts down on cable clutter.
@rorymccloskey2022
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. As most of my cables are black I mark both ends using my daughter's paint pens to avoid getting my head fried. I use the different colours along with patterns (stripes, polka dots,etc) to ensure each is unique. This is something I started doing with modular patch cables but as my setup grew it has spread to audio and midi cables
@dariusmorgan8302
2 жыл бұрын
Really great tips. Such a well thought out set up. It was another video of yours that got me into the idea of getting a patch nay which I still need to do. Thanks for clearing up matrix mixing and showing how everything is connected
@derekfernandez7701
2 жыл бұрын
0:40 It's the top of your head! Exciting! 😃 2:08 I've never seen a matrix mixer before, this is such genius! Thank you! 💙 Edit: Rest in peace Dave 😢
@magnusstrenweden9097
3 ай бұрын
This is why one of my very first purchases for the studio, after the first round to just get me started, was investing in SSL MX4 + Alphalink Ax & Sx. It was crazy at the time; I had no hardware synths, or effects to speak of, barely got the monitors I also still use to this day... but I knew my setup wouold grow with time. I don't know of an equivalent available system with the same level of flexibility at the same price-point. If my MX-4 ever dies, I guess I'd use an RME MadiFX or MadiXT. Oh and older premium converters like the aforementioned SSL, Lynx, Appogee, Avid etc can be had for good prices and present great value. Since then I taught myself how to solder and troubleshoot analog equipment, which culminated in building a 24 channel API style front end to the converters, but direct outputs (post fader) preserves full channel count capability. Appreciate these kunds of video's; more interesting with studio strategies through gear selection than the run of the mill gear review.
@Kev-Adams
2 жыл бұрын
That Jaspers stand set up is amazing too, so much gear in easy reach, you’re costing me a fortune Ziv, got an MRCC on the way, as always totally worth it 👍😁
@mmusic3579
2 жыл бұрын
Love the setup and of course loopop videos! I am a fan of minimal setups when making a song with all its advantages and disadvantages. For example, sitting down and using an Elektron setup of OT, AR, and A4 and using nothing else or using just a modular setup. Keeping it nice and minimal but creative helps me focus. I do not have everything in my studio connected and on as my ADD would kick in. If I want to add or experiment with anything I can always connect that instrument to an open line in my mixer.
@dpinskey
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this comprehensive and very useful video. I own and use a lot of what you have going and have set up my matrices similarly. Tips on MIDI filtering and audio patch bay using the N H and Thru modes are very useful. Hoping the folks at Erica Synths might expand on the Matrix Mixer concept with 32 or even up to 64 channels of I/O. I find my Matrix Mixer very useful in routing sources around my studio to various destinations which I can then select with a MIDI foot pedal or program to select with MIDI automation lanes in my DAW that has become my preferred method of operation. Being able to have more sources and destinations would definitely be highly desirable
@tradrudeboy
2 жыл бұрын
I love this. I've spent years optimizing my space and setup to do exactly this.
@sandroidmusic
2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. As someone who loves to ponder over my setup and tries to optimize all the time, it was great to see someone else doing the same. Lovely setup you got there Ziv! I'm currently pondering over Midi as well. Up to this point i was doing quite well just with midi thru chaining. Polyend Tracker was the Brain and went to a Polyend Poly 2. So that allowed me to inject the PC right at that point to access all other chained gear. Tracker was easy to access via PC through USB Midi. To make it more modular, i was looking into midi interfaces. I looked at the Blokas Midihub, the Retrokit RK-006, iConnectivity mioXL and the Conductive Labs MRCC. The two that stood out to me are the Retrokit RK-006 and the MRCC. But when it comes to features i think the MRCC is probably unbeaten. But for bang-for-your-bucks.. i think the RK-006 is a very strong contender.
@EannaButler
Жыл бұрын
I've heard of gear pron. But this is 3D immersive-level stuff. Me, I've a bunch of Midi splitters, mergers, and thrus, and a couple of Behringer audio patchbays. Works fine. But man, this is next-level. I defy any gear junkie not to get the horn watching this! Re. tips - labelling of audio cables is great. You can either label by name, or label using colours. Midi patchbay - always wanted one. That one you have with USB I/O looks super. LIke I say, splitters, mergers and thrus will mostly get you there, but a midi patchbay, with presets, holy-grail stuff. Especially with the filtering! Audio - Matrix Mixers are wonderful, but so long as you have enough ADAT I/O, you can just use your DAW as a mixer. Have a Motu 828 Mk2 Firewire into my PC - all those Mac users sold their Firewire devices off for nothing. Has two ADAT I/O ports over lightpipe, gives me a raft of audio IO - more MOTU gear. Works well. But a well-positioned Patchbay gives some flexibility too. What I have my eye on, is an RME Digiface USB - cheap, brilliant drivers, and TotalMix mixer software is the dog's... 32 I/O over USB? Yes please!
@Yosser70
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video! It’s way more than I’d ever need but I’ve got the same patch bay and even though I’ve figured it out, this gave me a few ideas for different uses. You should split the patch bay bit out and upload it as a separate video, think a lot of people would find it useful, but not find it in this video.
@macronencer
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this very detailed video - lots of fantastic tips here, and I've bookmarked it to come back to. I wish it had been released a year sooner, as that was when I was buying gear for my new studio (I moved house in November and now have a dedicated studio space). So far I'm happy with what I've ended up with, but I haven't given it very heavy use yet, so I'm going to wait and see. I'm more DAW-focused myself, but I do have a big keyboard stand (I'm historically a pianist and live player), and I've added a corner table of other gear too: Keystep Pro, Neutron, Peak and LYRA8. I'm giving myself options at this stage because I don't know how far into the desktop/groovebox/modular thing I might get in the future. :) So the keyboard stand and the desktop table are two separate areas geared towards different workflows, and I've designated them as "stations". Each has a "station hub" - a 2U rack with a Behringer DI800 multiway DI box to convert to balanced lines and a MOTU MIDI Express XT (the two MOTUs connect to a MIDI hub on my computer). I have two Samson S-plus patchbays, a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and Octopre as interfaces, and the patchbays are fully TRS balanced (hence the DI800s). I'm just beginning to work out how to use the MOTU MIDI Express XTs, and they have a lot of filtering and remapping capabilities, but I have to say the one you have looks more powerful in some ways, and also includes 3.5mm and USB routing, which I lack. Perhaps that will be OK, given that most of my gear has DIN MIDI anyway - and anything that doesn't can be hooked up to the computer and the DAW. The good thing about the XTs is that they will work without a DAW running, so I get to do "offline" experimentation, which I think is important because once I'm in DAW mode my brain shifts into a different gear. Theoretically I can also run my interfaces as mixers, as you suggest later in the video, without my computer on - but I've not tried that yet. Keep the great content coming! I've learned a lot from your excellent channel. Thank you!
@positronalpha
2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see I'm not alone. I'm currently building a proper home studio, and the MRCC and Erica Matrix Mixer are very interesting for building the monster I'm envisioning from the bits I've collected - a massively layered megasynth for drone:y goodness, including a Peak, Moog Model D, Hydrasynth Deluxe and many more voices going through an array of effects.
@matzer8846
2 жыл бұрын
WOW! This Erica Synths Matrix Mixer is one great piece of equipment .... these techies really know HOWTO🔧 Thanks a lot for sharing ❗
@trepke2849
2 жыл бұрын
I'm building similar setup this year. So far I'm on Hydrasynth, Minitaur, Live 2, Torso T1, Studiologic Grand. I will be adding Moog Studio Bundle, OB-6, Hapax, and effect pedals.
@brianpennymusic
2 жыл бұрын
If you have to route audio between different computers, digital efx, or DACs....Dante is a lifesaver
@fearmo1852
2 жыл бұрын
MioXL's are perfect for midi routing. I put everything into 3 redco TT patchbays (audio), 2 MioXL's and control all of my synths from either the DAW or Cirklon. Audio interface Orion 32+ gen3 with Ferrofish 16 (MADI) and sync everything up with precise clock with SyncGen 3LX (brilliant device). Perfect timing and route everywhere.
@SURCOlive
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I’m about to move and have been anxious about setting up my permanent studio space. Thank you as always!
@DepecheMoog
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this very informative video. I just ordered a MRCC. It will be a VERY welcome addition to my setup. 🙏
@Personalnadir
2 жыл бұрын
I’m currently using the Boredbrain Patchulator 8000 for my audio routing and an ESI M4U eX as a midi interface. Like you I then have the audio going into an 8pre, but I use AUM on a iPad mini to handle midi routing, audio routing and further audio routing. My main issue at the moment is that I’m out of side inputs on the Patchulator. I can patch more gear into it, but that requires using the 3.5mm trs jacks on the top. My second issue is that I’ve hit the amount of gear I can have out on the Loci stands (in fact the Patchulator sort of levitates between devices relying on cable stiffness to support it). Using an iPad unlocks some of the really cool instruments and plugins on the App Store, but using AUM on a Mini’s screen in a bit fiddly. Also as with all Apple devices I wind up having to unplug and plug the USB hub to get it to recognise everything. It’s also a bit less immediate than a purely hardware system
@zhexum
2 жыл бұрын
Such a helpful video. I realized I’ve been “doing it wrong” with my patchbay. I had input 1 in the same slot as output 1, but there is literally never a time I would patch those together. I’m going to be able to make it so I’m using almost no patches in my standard setup once I reorganize everything. Thanks Loopop!
@earlsfield
2 жыл бұрын
Great work Ziv, so many uselful tips. And a beautiful hommage to Dave.
@seanwolfe5161
7 ай бұрын
Nice to see someone else thinking about studio routing. And it's nice to see the MRCC. I just got it last Christmas season. Before that I had an iConnectivity Midi4+. I was looking for a better router and I was hoping I wouldn't end up with another iConnectivity device like the mio8. Their routing app MAKES NO SENSE! So the MRCC is awesome to be able to route from the control panel. You have the same patch bay I use. As for matrix router. I use my audio interface for that. Great tip you gave me though, I've been trying to figure out where/how to use and place my oscilloscope. After seeing your vid, I think I'll put it on my desk and patch it into the patch bay now.
@_B.C_
2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know Dave Smith passed away till the end of the video. RIP Dave and thank you for all the amazing sounds.
@dpinskey
Жыл бұрын
Another thing to remember when NOT to use balanced cables with your passive balanced patch bay is when you might want to use an insert on your analog mixer. The insert itself is TRS but the tip and ring send and return are TS. So if you are using a male TRS to female 1/4” insert cable so that you can use various length male to male 1/4” cables to make your runs, then you will need to use unbalanced cables for that to work.
@emptyvesselnz
2 жыл бұрын
this is so thorough, thank you so much! There's a lot to think about in getting a hardware setup fluid, flexible and adaptable!
@digicat247
2 жыл бұрын
These kinds of videos aren't going to be as hot as the newest gear, but this is so valuable. Thanks!
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to write. Indeed when I make these I know they won't do as well but I'm really happy to see it's well received.
@siccavicca
2 жыл бұрын
World class breakdown of a highly functional & flexible set up ...”Great Job!!
@siccavicca
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. How is it working with no Balanced inputs ? Any noise issues ?
@samprock
2 жыл бұрын
One criteria for me when by new gear is inter-connect (like if Moog Subsequient 37 it is CV edition)..... though in day to day playing never really connect to make it standalone as wished (at least driven by M+ to direct audio interface with synths connected, no computer), but it works as good with DAW as a hub. Was looking for midi, learned of MRCC now. All cool, inspiring ideas! TNX!
@pepejul
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video with some fresh ideas. I found I have as much fun reconfiguring and optimising my setup as I have fun playing with it.
@mosspa1
2 жыл бұрын
Over the past 30 years, or so, my studio has undergone many reconfigurations. Back before modern digital recording alternatives (i.e., pre-ADAT), it was pretty easy to control MIDI distribution with a chain of MOTU Midi Time Pieces, and a 24-channel mixing desk and a couple of patchbays for audio. The arrival of ADAT simplified much of the audio routing as more devices began to implement the standard, and of course, the ADAT machines allowed affordable and synchable 24-channel recording and playback. Back in what I consider the heyday of ADAT connectivity in the early 2000s, I replaced the ADAT recorders with a DAW, and the computer became the heart of my studio. At the apex of this evolution in my studio, all of the audio was routed digitally through ADAT lightpipe using a couple Frontier Designs APACHE TosLink 12-lightpipe matrix routers, and appropriate A-D/D-A ADAT standard converters for audio signals that weren't supported by ADAT. On the computer end I had an RME Hammerfall 24-channel I/O card (and everything that the RME TotalMix software provided). In many ways, that was an audio "dream" system in that it handled 24-channels of noise-free 24-bit 44.1kHz audio. An emergent property of that system was that all of the audio was being moved in 8-channel chunks over cables that were only a couple mm in diameter. MIDI remained a cabling issue and the three MOTU MTPs I had accumulated were still the workhorse of that system. Things remained pretty much the same until Windows 10 came along and the MOTU boxes were no longer supported by drivers for that OS. Additionally, my RME card died and that forced me to adopt what are more conventional (today) solutions for audio handling. Today, I am using a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20/OctaPre as my audio interface. Currently, my instrument configuration consists of a Kurzweil K2700, Prophet-6 (Desktop), Korg M3 (module), Waldorf Kyra, Hydrasynth-49, Waldorf Iridium Keyboard, Kurzweil K2600RS, Kurzweil K2661, Korg Wavestate, 1010 Music Lemondrop, and an Apple iPad. Fortunately, I don't have any dedicated "effects boxes" to contend with as I really haven't found that there isn't anything I can't do using a combination of native and UAD plug-ins. Still, that left me with 22 stereo-split channels going to 16 audio inputs on the Focusrites. I considered patch bays, but instead adopted using small submixers (Mackie Mix5) to combine the outputs of the synths that go together logically (either by location or by function). This has served me well for the last couple years, but I would like to have more flexibility at the audio interface level). For MIDI routing, I don't think that there is anything that comes remotely close to the capabilities of the iConnectivity MIO-XL. With eight MIDI DIN pairs and and additional four MDII DIN Outs, ten assignable USB-A MIDI host ports, and an Ethernet port for the incorporation of a long distance (if necessary) MIDI over Ethernet devices (I think 24), I can't imagine exceeding the MIDI capabilities of this one $400 device. Although the software that controls it (Auracle X) is a product still in development (e.g., there still isn't even a comprehensive user manual), I got it integrated into my studio and functioning incredibly well with the help of iConnectivity's excellent technical support. That is, I can rout MIDI between anything in the studio (Including an additional Keystep Pro, Beatstep, NDLR, Novation LaunchPad Mini, and a couple Korg Nano-x controllers), save routings in the MIO (so it can function without the computer), and achieve the ultimate in MIDI routing for the MIDI output of the DAW. I don't know, but it seems that this solution is a lot less complex than Loopop's, is more expandable, and is less costly. Right now, the main limitation of my studio is in the audio handling via my current Focusrite interface solution. Since they were introduced by Presonus last year, I have had my heart set on moving to their Quantum series of Thunderbolt interfaces, given their ability to support up to 96 channels of audio in both directions with near zero-latency when monitoring the converted signals. The only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger is the lack of Thunderbolt support for my current AMD Threadripper based DAW. Although there is a motherboard available that supports Thunderbolt 3 and the original Threadripper socket, it is too costly an option to be justified given the advanced age of my CPU. I've gotten used to having 16 cores (32 threads) of full-bandwith CPU, so I no longer view Intel as a viable solution. Luckily, the new Ryzen-4 processors that will support 16-cores/32-threads will become available in the fall. ASRock has revealed the specs of their high-end Taichi-670X motherboard that will incorporate PCIe-5 and the DDR5 memory standard AND WILL SUPPORT Thunderbolt 4. So, this is quickly becoming a no-brainer for me. All I will need to do is hang on until the fall.
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@mallechilie
2 жыл бұрын
I only started synthesis a few years ago, but man, the MOTU time pieces are the best. Quite cheap now, perfect as long as you don't need to connect your pc to it. I'm still hoping to get them to work with my pc somehow, but I'm afraid that won't happen on a pc modern enough to get a DAW working really nicely with it.
@ConductiveLabs
2 жыл бұрын
Since Loopop's video isn't a full product review of MRCC, please see our website at: conductivelabs.com for all of the details. There's much more to see, including expandability options (MRCC to MRCC routing, Remote 7 and XpandR 4x1), local hands on control and ease of use that doesn't typically require technical support.
@ac3v3da
Жыл бұрын
"Maybe the real treasure was all the routing we made along the way..." I think I might have to get a three tier stand, I never thought about using it like this it make so much sense now that I see it set up like that.
@rafa787
Жыл бұрын
I order MRCC today can't wait to use my midi fighter twister with all my midi dins gear
@ZanBizar
2 жыл бұрын
Thx. You must have spend so much time on this video, It is very appreciated. Gave me so much answers to questions I didn't know I had.
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Indeed it took a while...
@edmc2
2 жыл бұрын
Gas has been troubling me.... thankyou 👍🏻 for your insight as always
@index7787
2 жыл бұрын
For color coding cables (highly recommend in any studio at any scale) colored zipties/eTape are very cheap, and either can be used to bind groups of cables, say, a L/R audio pair.
@bistrobmusic
2 жыл бұрын
I have a hard time finding colored cables in the US, even Amazon is predominantly black cables. I had to import my midi cables from a German company (so that they match the 4 main colors of the Keystep Pro)
@saniespinosa8323
2 жыл бұрын
@@bistrobmusic i’m not sure about the US but i would assume u can get the HOSA cables ? they have packs of multi coloured cables
@PetraKann
2 жыл бұрын
High quality durable cables are rarely coloured. Generally, coloured sets of cables are average or low quality. I am sure that you can buy high quality coloured cables, but I haven’t found any suppliers in the city I live in
@lo-firobotboy7112
2 жыл бұрын
Word.
@macronencer
2 жыл бұрын
I use zip tie plastic tags, and I print labels to stick on those. In the past I used to stick labels directly onto cables, but after ten years I pulled my studio apart and the number of horribly sticky gooey cables was appalling. I'll never do that again!
@ToyKeeper
2 жыл бұрын
It's really cool that all this is possible... and kind of terrifying that it's necessary.
@wega4105
Жыл бұрын
Your cameraman :). Is greatest onKZitem in this video! And thanks f the tips and explanations!!!
@davidbanner9001
2 жыл бұрын
This video was very, very useful. Thank you very much. Gives me a lot to think about and indeed a lot of options.
@Zen_Mox
2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting so long for this type of info, thank you
@jjrusy7438
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely need that mrcc midi mixer. my gig is playing a wall of sound live using 2 workstation keyboards and several foot-boards to control a pile of modules. routing clock from who is boss clock, then routing other MIDI note control from a different keyboard, while keeping everyone clocked is a rewire game every time. splitters, mergers, cables, adapters, thru ports yeehaw. Mixer tip: the ghetto version of the audio matrix is a regular full sized mixer that has aux audio outs and returns. put effects or effect chains in those loops and mix any or all inputs into any or all effects loops in parallel using the pots on the mixer.
@mosspa1
2 жыл бұрын
You might want to look at an iConnectivity MIO-XL (I give the specs in my main reply to Loopop, above). Depending on how many external controlling pedals you are talking about, or how frequently they are used at the same time, you could potentially get by with the the MIO and one or two Midi Solutions Merge boxes. Also, that will provide you with the ability to source and merge at least four MIDI inputs at once, not to ,mention all of the other matrix stuff the box can do in control of over 30 separate devices.
@CommunityGuidelines
Жыл бұрын
9:57 --- "DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU!!!" Hahahahaha, I had to play it back to make sure my eyes did not deceive me.
@sstroh32
Жыл бұрын
Great vid, hopefully it encourages some ppl to stop ripping cables in and out of their gear all the time. While I admit color coded cables are a step up, I really expected (hoped?) a quick recommendation to learn to solder. I can’t imagine attempting to purchase all the right lengths for an ever🎉 changing setup. So, a 20’ Mogami gold (4 conductor) balanced TRS patch is a shocking $105 on amazon. Worse yet, all the unused cables in your bin that don’t fit your current runs jacks that cost up even more, making the $15-20 in materials and 10 minutes time look like an even better deal. The unexpected benefit is that when cost goes down you end up wiping up all the individual outs and side chain connects you might not otherwise. I’m sure a lot of ppl aren’t comfortable soldering cables and nothing wrong with that, but I’m also sure a lot of ppl don’t know it’s possible or how easy it is!
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Soldering is a pretty big barrier for many people, but of course you're right it's cheaper to go DIY
@sstroh32
Жыл бұрын
@@loopop absolutely, insurmountable for some, and that's totally understandable. I am surprised by the amount of people that don't know it's even an option though. In my case, I started soldering my own out of a desire, err compulsion, for uniformity and perfect length runs (I particularly struggle with those 1-4 mini loops before a connection to account for a cable that's a couple feet too long). For others, the cost saving is what makes it worthwhile (particularly for true premium cabling). Another side benefit was developing a much deeper understanding of your cabling, the conductors therein, and how they transmit through each connector type; such that more complicated db-25 snakes, for example, will be much less daunting.
@johnkim3257
2 жыл бұрын
whoaaaa thatts a super cool setup! I'm working on my own version of this hahah XD its alot more complex than I imagined thsnks for the demo!
@ChristopherOrth
2 жыл бұрын
The iConnectivity MIDI routing devices are fantastic. Surprised more people aren't talking about them. They have several size/models... the mio10 had 10 DIN ports, internal USB host with 7+ ports, and a dedicated USB connection to a computer. It does every form of MIDI filtering and translation possible, and has matrix style routing. Also great that it can store/load different configurations onboard, so great if you need to travel, or move between studio/live for example. With one of those as a central MIDI hub, and something like an RME interface (total mix is amazing) for audio, you can have a studio that can do anything and is highly flexible, with virtually no latency. Very similar to what you have set up here. But the bottom line advice to anyone is to solve your problem one or two sizes bigger than they currently are. Stop buying little shitty gizmos that fix one thing, and ending up with a chain of convoluted clagnuts somewhere down the road, which all cost you more than a full-sized solution would have.
@fergadelics
11 ай бұрын
I’m at a new location and using the Ethernet with my Mio this time. Nice to hear someone say it’s working well for them. I took a break. Back to configuring. I’m adding ES-9 to the mix and apparently I’m in for a treat with documentation.
@FuZZbaLLbee
2 жыл бұрын
Not making it to complex was keeping my GAS in check, now I see options 😋
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
oh no what have I done
@dudfaz
2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid Ziv! For those interested in setting up an audio routing system for their synth setup, the DF Audio MINIBAY is also worth a look. (Hope that little plug is ok ;)
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
For sure :)
@dudfaz
2 жыл бұрын
@@loopop cheers :)
@makeperceive
2 жыл бұрын
excellent video - exactly what I'm looking for at the moment.
@iiaaiiaannaaiiaaii
Жыл бұрын
Great video. I really wish I'd watched this before I reinvented the wheel by myself, and made a much more complex version of the same set up you have. Still I think I will spring for the MRCC- that thing looks perfect. Will let you switch between DAW as master clock and a piece of hardware ( seems like it must)?
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I didn't try it but it should work
@doctorauxiliary
2 жыл бұрын
this was so helpful!! thanks, ziv. that was a lot of fun to watch. (real kid in a candy store type stuff.)
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@DanChippendaleMusic
2 жыл бұрын
A thing of beauty. I get anxious about the cables just from my 5 or so devices. This must have taken a lot of time to set up. Do you swear a lot out loud when wiring stuff together like I do? 🤣
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
LOL for sure
@DanChippendaleMusic
2 жыл бұрын
@@loopop I'd love to see that blooper reel 😄
@Gingerzilla
Жыл бұрын
Massive setup effort here. BTW Please review the Akai Force Pro!!
@northerntao
2 жыл бұрын
Handy video - of course I’ll plug the Cirklon 2 as not just a top notch sequencer, but a MIDI router as well. Its the center of my synth cave. I upgraded my CK1 to 2 to get the USB host option, so now it has 16 additional MIDI ports (with USB extension) on the host side (USB B), and 6 more on the USB client (USB A). In addition to the 5 pairs of MIDI DIN ports. And CV and DIN Sync…. NIC onboard for later RTP MIDI support
@Leo_Wieber
Ай бұрын
awesome video, thanks a lot !!
@ManCalledMif
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. I wondered how I would connect all my gear. This is like a patch bay on steroids.
@RikMaxSpeed
2 жыл бұрын
OK, I thought I had GAS, but you’ve trumped me by a whole pipeline here!! 🤣🤣🤣
@mophet1197
Ай бұрын
Even though it is two year old video explanation, it is still very well done and helpful thank you. One thing I wished that could have been covered with this is basically is it left turned on all the time or can it be all turned off by one switch? If it is one switch then that leads to what way do you manage the powering of it all?
@loopop
Ай бұрын
Thanks! I'm not an electrician so don't follow my lead, but I've been using three power splitters with switches and turning then on one at a time. Overall this system may look massive but uses an insignificant amount of power IMHO (200-300w) compared to the AC in my room. Just add up the power on what you own, your toaster probably uses more.
@RCZ-rg1jp
Жыл бұрын
And yet again I both enjoy and regret watching another of your videos. ;-) I found this while researching midi routers, since I'm just SO close to being able to go DAW-less/computer-less during composition/jamming/practicing modes. I'd pretty much landed on the MRCC 880, but now the MRCC is just so... perfect (IF it functions correctly for me). I currently route everything via their USB connections), or MIDI to a Microlite and its USB connection to the open source MIDI Patchbay software, which is actually quite a nice little thing, but of course, does require the computer to be on, and I'm hoping to avoid that. Just mimic that (it has similar filtering, clunky routing setup but otherwise works fine, sends clock only if you want, or no clock, re-channels midi channels if you want, etc.) Wondering how stable it's been for that relatively straightforward use-case. Also: Dangit loopop; I'm trying to spend LESS money. But then again, I do need this for my 'sick of computers while making music' sanity
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words - sorry to cause so much trouble just trying to make my setup work and share what I learn 😜 so far MRCC has done just fine for me in simple use cases (I don't stress test it much, just route and filter)
@RCZ-rg1jp
Жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha. I know. I'm kidding, of course. Switching (back) to hardware after decades of being 'in the box' is a challenge, and hard to know where to start. I grabbed a bunch of sound-oriented things, some with decent step sequencers, only to find that what I needed was a solid, modern sequencer (thanks, recent Polyend Tracker blowout sale). Definitely learned from that one... now I need routing. This video is SO awesome for throwing out working solutions to so many of our problems. You're a gem. 🙂 Hopefully the local shop can let me know when they can get one in. They seem to not make them but in batches, which I get for such a niche device (though that niche is growing with just about everybody I know). Take much care, and keep it coming!!! @@loopop
@kuldeepgohel29
2 жыл бұрын
Love this video! Extremely useful.
@ellagreen9056
2 жыл бұрын
An absolutely fabulous video for me! - just the right time, many thanks indeed. 👍 I have been working on reconfiguring my synth / recording room for many months. I had found that analogue matrix / programmable patchbays have been looking really costly to implement at scale and I was unhappy with the latency performance of MIDI routing hardware I had found. So I had settled on lots of Samson hardware patchbays and Kenton MIDI boxes, plus SSL X-Desks / X-Panda for the in-room hardware mixing. I've spent weeks planning the configuration, multing passive connections through the patchbays and trying to predict all my future needs. This approach using the matrix offers a lot more. Back to the drawing board and time for more purchases ... 😆
@jeffryschmidt635
2 жыл бұрын
wow your english sounds unexpectedly good for someone who's using magnetstreifen beschreibbar
@lo-firobotboy7112
2 жыл бұрын
Patchbays and mixers. Patchbays and mixers. I hate reconnecting all my gear so over the years diagrammed out my studio and run all my synths, drum machines, sequencers and effects through a couple audio and MIDI patchbays. When I get new gear or trade away old stuff I update the diagram. This allows me to keep everything plugged-in, connected and powered up at all times so it's always ready to go.
@arcadeuk
2 жыл бұрын
Very very good comprehensive video 👍
@bistrobmusic
2 жыл бұрын
My Volcas barely fit in my one bedroom apartment. Can't wait for a room dedicated to this.
@weatherkop
2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for a Matrix 12, but this'll do =)
@mooretto
11 күн бұрын
What a great video. I wish I saw it when it was released two years ago. I would have spared a lot of time and money. The matrix mixer seems like a great solution. Where can I find those angled mini jack adapters?
@loopop
11 күн бұрын
Thanks! Those were custom ones from Designacable; you can get 90 degree adapters cheaply on Ali Express too
@mooretto
11 күн бұрын
Thanks, cause I don’t have a modular, but plenty of synths and pedals and I always have to swap cables etc
@steveowen8961
2 жыл бұрын
Labelling and organising the various cables used for producing and recording music seems to be a never-ending story for me. I have 7 synths, 2 MIDI controllers/sequencers, 3 FX units plus Audio interfaces etc with over 70+ audio cables, 18 MIDI (DIN+USB) and 20 power cables plus patch-bay cables. It was a complete rats nest but with 4 spreadsheets, coloured pens to mark every end of every cable; it's now a simple snake pit! Ah well, such is GAS.
@ConductiveLabs
2 жыл бұрын
Not to contribute to the GAS, but you can plug a typical USB computer keyboard into a MRCC USB host port to type in port labels.
@dpinskey
Жыл бұрын
By the way - I see you are using an X-Gear device. I also use those for guitar and effect purposes which I was automating with Studio One and controlling via foot controller but would also like to use something like the MRCC to control program changes with my foot controller to change those and MIDI controlled analog vox effects. And I also have that exact same passive patch bay as well as the USB controlled Wes Audio Calypso that I use to route signal around my studio.
@mrWSmills
2 жыл бұрын
Probably more expensive, but a presonus 24r would do a lot of the audio routing and be expandable. I just use it as a mixer but I have duplicated tracks and you can assign any usb or analog input to any line in the mixer. You would need a phone,tablet,or computer to control it though but it does have scenes. Almost forgot it's an audio interface as well. So that saves some money. Still expensive.
@mikemorrisonmusic
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, how I’d love to have your setup. :)
@pn6719
Жыл бұрын
Hello Loopop ~ maybe I missed this in the video or the comments below, but I was curious to hear how you’re utilizing and routing the NDLR in your setup. I assume that you have it plugged-in via USB into your midi router, but how are allowing it to interact between synths? How are you passing clock or midi in thru it and still allowing it to to drive other midi out chains? Im new to that device and not getting the most out of it and wondering how it can be best utilized in a matrix setup like yours. Any advice would most appreciated! You’re true wizard! 🧙♂️
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! NDLR - is mainly a quick jamming tool so I don't use it as a slave to external MIDI
@ickebins6948
2 жыл бұрын
Well it has lights under every jack and a small display... What else would one want on the table :) Its works well also? Thats a nice bonus :D
@florianruf5039
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your interesting videos👍
@jorgesierra3203
2 жыл бұрын
you should make a video about smaller synth stands for a tabletop setup
@aymanhibri6039
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video! Out of curosity, which Jaspers model is this?
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
please see the description
@ghost_in_the_robot
2 жыл бұрын
*stares at his iPad Air from 2012 and blinks at the matrix mixer in AUM*
@Kkidzz
2 жыл бұрын
Junkie XL has a really nice setup routing gear to effects using Presonus's 32R; well laid out template on a laptop.
@piets
Жыл бұрын
Nice review. Which patch cables did you use?
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! See description
@6stringks
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your setup. I got a 32 channel console for mixing my stuff. Still running out of space ;-) How can you play your Arp 2600 its located really behind all the stuff?
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's actually on the same plane as MRCC, so not too bad, but for sure not as ideal as up front
@runnywhart7440
7 ай бұрын
I'm running into wall wart management issues. Do you just get an electrician to run several outlets to your space or do you daisy chain surge protectors?
@loopop
7 ай бұрын
I should get an electrician, for now I just pray things don't go wrong under the assumption everything you see takes less energy than an AC or toaster, and I don't turn on everything at once (disclaimer: not electrical advice!!)
@CommodoreCrush
Жыл бұрын
I always run into the issue of volume staging when running chains like this. Too low/high if running a couple different instruments through a single source. Any tips?
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
That's a tough one, that's why I try to run through instruments only when I have to, and not mess with levels on the way, just at the source
@martenmeij
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this elaborate tutorial Loopop! It inspired me to get a Matrix Mixer as well. As I'm hooking up everything right now, I get massive groundloop noise coming for the returns of my fx (microcosm and the oto machines bim and bam). There seems to be no correlation between cables and noise, I tried various options. Also the noise is equally strong of all three fx machines, all stacked together it becomes quite strong. It seems to be coming from the internals of the matrix miser. Have you experienced something like that with your setup?
@darkcognitive
Жыл бұрын
What kind of arm / stand thingy do you have holding your digitakt? (Or digitone i think it is)
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
It's a VESA mount by Jaspers, but any standard one will do
@ghost_in_the_robot
2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Retrokits MIDI hub/gate splitter? Believe it uses 3.5mm connections, but it's small and can be a USB host as well. Also have thought about buying the Smart MIDI cable for filtering. I have a lot of old gear like the Electribe ESX and Korg Kaossilator Pro, so I am not sure of this newer gear like matrix mixers would work for what I'm going for, but I wanted to ask your opinion anyway. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
I think the Retrokits RK006 is great! It's just a splitter though, with a few extra cool features, I don't think it has a matrix option unless I missed something, but for small setups it should work just fine.
@ghost_in_the_robot
2 жыл бұрын
@@loopop Thanks for the quick reply. Been doing research all morning. So I've been using a MIDISPORT 4x4, Audiobox USB96, and TC Helicon Blender interface for mobile situations lol. I've been trying to think of something larger which would work and found the DCM4000 DJ Mixer to integrate with all this old gear. It has MIDI inputs, which is rare for a DJ mixer. Should be fun with routing audio using the built in FX as well.
@BeniRoseMusic
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like you could've talked for 20 more minutes about how difficult it can be to find the right cables for each situation. For example, I noticed you had to mix cable types on the matrix mixer so that they'd all sit next to each other. I imagine the first time through you ordered just the thicker color cables and found out the hard way they wouldn't all fit. Nothing is quite as frustrating as those moments!
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed not sure that I could fill 20 minutes with cable insights but that's one of them for sure!
@757SoundLab
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, this it what I'm doing right this minute...
@BeniRoseMusic
2 жыл бұрын
@@757SoundLab I can't you how many times I've set up a sub-par set up because I now needed additional cables to the ones I just spent time waiting for!
@giuseppemagistro6648
Жыл бұрын
08:06 Wondering how you achieve to have both clock running. I always have feedbacks. :/
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
You shouldn't get feedback if MIDI only goes one way or if you use filters on the way back
@DIYguitarGuy
Жыл бұрын
Great content. I was looking for both an audio and midi matrix and it's good to see some options here. Also please show the names of the devices you mentioned, it was hard finding the Blokas Midihub and SiparioX just by listening to your pronunciation
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! There's always a full list of gear in the description
@jupiterrising5918
2 жыл бұрын
MioXL Midi interface made this cake.
@wega4105
Жыл бұрын
Tack!
@tedpedersen123
2 жыл бұрын
Ziv! What a awesome device, I def will be getting, but looks like I need some new cables too. I was curious, how long did it take u to wire up this particular setup? Will it be long-standing or was it just for the video? That’s a truly epic set up!!! ✌️🎶🎹
@loopop
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I don't remember exactly how long it took to wire up, a few days at first I guess (not straight, in between doing other stuff) - I built it around Erica and MRCC over half a year ago and just used it a bit between videos to see if it makes sense, then made slight modifications 2-3 times as I got new gear to make sure it is indeed as modular as I thought it was and works well. Definitely not just for the video, the point was to have a setup that will move forward and evolve with me. But, as I mention in the video I am planning on make a major change to it though in a few months to base it around a matrix audio interface
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