Haven't played for 10 years. This is incredibly useful
@manuelmarce2544
11 ай бұрын
Whether I play 4 or 5, I usually end up the lowest networth on my team. Many times, I even buy most of the wards and sods compared to the pos 5. I don't complain, though, as long as I do my job and I help on winning. But I think I really need to learn how to generate gold and exp without stealing from my cores. Thanks for this amazing guide!
@xtranormalCARTOONS88
11 ай бұрын
Stacking will give you 50% of the gold, dewarding obs gives alot of gold, and in general just play supports that can farm like prophet, jakiro, SB, theres alot of farm on the map, usually just tp too the open wave / dead lane and shove it as far as you can
@Colopty
11 ай бұрын
Just always be aware that having lower priority to the farm doesn't mean that farming isn't a priority to you. This does mean you often have to farm in more dangerous areas, but you should be farming if there's nothing urgent going on.
@thordoo3047
11 ай бұрын
P5's shouldn't be ahead of you in net worth... You are missing some serious $ somewhere consistently.
@manuelmarce2544
11 ай бұрын
@@thordoo3047 the thing is many times, while playing as pos 4, I'm the one who buys most the wards, dusts, and sods, and also all the utility items. i had this recent game where our pos 5 willow went tranquil and straight to midas then Aghs in an active, snowballing game (our offlane NS and mid SF were actively moving in the map as soon as we destroyed their lane's t1 tower) vs my hoodwink who went arcane boots, vessel, and force staff i think or at least i was planning on getting that. This willow even sometimes doesn't go on ganks, prioritizing farming together with our carry Faceless Void. I had many games like this, pos 5 shaker who goes Aghs after blink when he can go force staff instead, pos 5 NP who buys shadow blade and maelstrom rather than solar crest, pos 5 Silencer or Jakiro going Aghs after their boots when we clearly need a force staff, etc. This makes me think, am i being too sacrificial in my games? Because if i don't buy this force staff, glimmer, or solar crest asap i feel I'm not doing my part properly.
@14henrylover
11 ай бұрын
Buy midas
@YosepRA
10 ай бұрын
What I get from your videos as a returning player is invaluable to me. Thank you for your help and hard work in getting these videos out.
@noobdodarksouls9699
9 ай бұрын
Got tired of League and started playing a few days ago. I got the hang of the other 4 roles but the soft support role was still not very clear in my mind, but your video helped me understand better this role which got me the most interest out of the 5 roles
@suikodin2501
11 ай бұрын
the part about helping one player to spill their success into beating a hero/area you can't influence was so well put and very important decision making.
@Avoidthevoidx
11 ай бұрын
my advice for my fellow position 4 players is to abuse the twin gates. either use it to farm waves or the small camps near it or to respond to a potential gank from the enemy or gank the other lane itself. i am having high success rates using this method. i highly recommend trying it on SB,Pugna,tusk or even Grimstroke. and a little tip. you can (and should) stack those camps near the twin gates either for your core or you. but that's typically the position 5''s duty to do that. the nearest to the gate can be stacked at 0:55 and the other is 0:57 i think.
@MgMast3r
11 ай бұрын
Yep, u dont even waste a tp or spend too much time away from lane, and sometimes if u left the lane in a good spot (near your tower), u can return to lane while pulling off a flank if you can win 2v2 with your 3
@f0rgotteng0st
11 ай бұрын
Just rewatched the pos 5 video and this popped up! Awesome timing man
@AkarCraft
11 ай бұрын
Great guide! Would love to see a video about spotting different landing mistakes in lower MMRs and how to best punish them.
@briantsang3368
11 ай бұрын
Great updated content for Pos 4! Ran out of queue tokens for 5 only so been queueing both 4/5. this guide has been invaluable!
@HalIOfFamer
3 ай бұрын
Honestly don't understand why tokens are required to play 4 and 5. I'd say most people wanna play core and only play supp when they need to. Dedicated supp players should not be forced into an off role.
@adamwilhelm1467
11 ай бұрын
These guides are so refreshing. Great details, awesome advice, and not some carry tuber who is just making stuff up.
@lRandomGuysl
11 ай бұрын
this channel is like a masterclass
@domtronix
11 ай бұрын
Your content is Grade A. Thank you!
@sukritsucharitakul7315
11 ай бұрын
Dude, been watching your stuffs. Your slides along with the screenshots, they’re the best! 6x6 rule for ppt slides were also applied. Highly educated youtube educating a lot of people on the “toxic” dota community.
@dwasp27moto41
11 ай бұрын
my good sir. do you have extensive videos on how to properly use items? like bloodstone for example, for dummies like me
@lhagiduty
11 ай бұрын
Yep dummy here. Want learn to use items properly. Sometimes find myself not building certain items because cant correctly use them
@adamfink8958
11 ай бұрын
This is a great presentation. Thank you for sharing!
@MgMast3r
11 ай бұрын
Ah pos4... my 2nd role...or well, considering making it my main because 3 is honestly a painful experience in no small part due to the sheer amount of griefing done by pos4s compared to all other roles, which stems from the freedom the role offers - so much that ppl think they can do anything, including sit & do nothing while leeching exp while u get murdered 1 v 2. On top of randomly shitty picks that bring little to nothing leading to the 4 & 3 hating each others guts and muting each other by min 5, there's a surprisingly amount of lack of hero limits knowledge I've noticed in this position from than usual in the sense that I'll often see ppl take trades with the enemy 5 that they can't win (and they're the ones forcing 'em too), while fighting either in horrible spots where the 3 cant help, or is forced to make a decision he dont want in giving up a wave early vs trying to help, or position themselves between the enemy 5 & carry that has a gap closer. Then they die and the 3 is left 1 v 2 and then he dies or gets zoned, etc/welcome to hell. Whenever I play it, it honestly doesn't seem THAT hard. Play like a more aggressive 5, more focused on making the enemy 1's hell rather than focusing on their 5 (unless he just giving freebies ofc) , with roams when required/can leave 3 alone/ can do nothing in lane, but if the carry can be punished in a 2v2 repeatedily, and draw pressure from the enemy 4 or mid , I don't get why more 4s just don't do that and instead try to pull off these "big brain" (1 iq) roams that have a small CHANCE of succeeding, and even if they do, all they accomplished is relieve pressure on the enemy 1 or trade a kill cause your 3 got 2 v 1'd. In that sense, I hope more ppl watch this vid and SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON WHEN TO LEAVE LANE & WHEN NOT TO, (from min 23 + , Roaming Setup) particularly the part where you established lane equilibrium just enough that you buy yourself the roam time. And that's how I look at it honestly ... roaming time is something I try to buy for myself steming from what I did in lane/how I left it, etc, unless my 3's not doing anything either ofc, then yea, we go our own way :D
@pavelkiselev_youtube
10 ай бұрын
Amazing guide, you have rare quality of guides
@Biit88121
11 ай бұрын
Nice video! little note: When you stack, you will get ep/gold anyway, not needed to stand in range
@kingslimekira
11 ай бұрын
You get more xp staying near
@Biit88121
11 ай бұрын
@@kingslimekira "You" maybe yes, but not the whole team.. the team loses ep if you stand close to the stacks you made.
@domovoi_0
11 ай бұрын
Thanks zquack. Weaver support is legit. Love and blessings!
@creamnwheat
11 ай бұрын
Pos 4 is the funnest position in the game, but it's also the one that gets you yelled at by the most people. Pos 5 wants you easing their support roles, pos 3 wants you to win them their lane, pos 2 wants you ganking, pos 1 gets mad whenever you push out a wave of farm even if it's dangerous with all the enemies missing. STILL the funnest, haha.
@xMoomin
11 ай бұрын
yahh pos4, imo requires the most critical decision making, 5 is baby sit clear cut, so is 1... 4,2,3 in that order is more decision making..
@xMoomin
11 ай бұрын
although recently 5 is changing imo, with twin gates, and power rune fights requiring pos5 TPs sometimes
@MgMast3r
11 ай бұрын
My requests as a 3 are little for my 4s: - don't be that one pudge/mirana dude that sits semi-afk waiting for the "perfect" hook/arrow, while I get murdered constantly 2 v 1. - pick something that's actually useful, cause just cause it's the most "free" role, doesn't mean monkey king is gonna be a good 4... Now, I'm not sure that's much to ask, cause at least 1/3 times, it seems like a steep request...
@xMoomin
11 ай бұрын
@@MgMast3r it really depends, if my pos3 is sth like DK or Tide, and seeing lane position, I feel ez to rotate.. but since most 4 have to pick early, let’s say I pick Mirana and then my pos3 is sth like slardar or viper.. then even tho I picked a ez roaming, I can’t leave them alone.. so it’s obs. ward, lane position, unblocked camp, also enemy’s kill potential on them.. But rotating to mid(safe even) when offlane is lvl4 can be very good, for offlane to get level 6 faster
@MgMast3r
11 ай бұрын
@@xMoomin We're already getting into more advanced moves there, I'm content with non-griefing 4s that don't do what I just mentioned : D Like, I get the 1/10 miranas that remember they actually have autos, and fast ones to boot esp with jump, and starfal can add to some dmg, so they do more than just be an arrow bot, but 9/10 times it's just that. as for leaving lane, vid said it all from 23+ , "Roaming Setup" ~ the roam from that PoV is kinda like "earned" in the sense that u leave the lane in a good spot to give yourself the window to roam while sacrificing little, cause what good is one roam if it leads to losing you the whole lane? Ofc if your 3's an ape and takes a 1 v 2 despite u leaving 'em in a great spot, that's on him.
@odarkeq
11 ай бұрын
ZaQ, while you refer to your Creep Equilibrium video at around 10:30, you piqued my curiosity: How does your mind typically process a creep wave? Are you objective to the point of "two melee creeps, one at half, one at full health, and a ranged at 75%" or do you think of them as "many creeps" and "few creeps" or as a time-sink, such as "I could last hit all those in 18 seconds" or as a single entity "an enemy blob of about 1800 health and 30dps" or by their gold value "120 gold is walking at me"? Just wondering. I guess the Support answer is they're little walking wards. Everyone has their own method of compressing too-much-data, and I'd be interested in hearing some of your mental tricks.
@HeraldofSEA
11 ай бұрын
useful guide. thanks so much because i'm a support in 10 years 😘
@Daniel-cg8rn
11 ай бұрын
Hey Zach, thanks for the awesome video. I hope you have fun in China!
@tangled999
11 ай бұрын
Recently found your channel through the slacks collab. Loving it thanks
@chumbogrosso5133
11 ай бұрын
Hey, thank you for this. Pos 4 is a lot of fun early game when you realize the ammount of stuff that you can do. I'd ask if its in your plans anything specific for how to play melee heros in weak lanes after dragging creeps After I do that I'm usually not sure what to do (do I stay soaking xp for lvl 2?, go stack? Go ward? Kill attempt under tower?) I mainly play tiny4 but cant seem to make it quite work
@Gorvak
11 ай бұрын
Is it better for a pos4 to focus on reinforcing the strong part of your team or aiding the weak part of your team?
@bluejay7058
11 ай бұрын
Depends on your hero, but tending towards your strong heroes would prob be best. Pos 5’s are generally better at taking lanes or babysitting, but it may be necessary for Pos 4 to as well.
@rowia.builds
11 ай бұрын
Depends on the hero, and your draft.
@chumbogrosso5133
11 ай бұрын
Help strong heros as a rule of thumb, the weak hero will appreciate the space you create so that he can recover. Staying with a weak hero should be a priority only if your presence changes his farm for better and theres no other play to be made on the map (usually there is at least one)
@FANTASTifMrfox
10 ай бұрын
I would also think of it, that by shutting down the enemy safe lane your taking pressure off your safe lane and mid as well if you have priority in the lane you then have the ability to roam safely (I.e. not putting your 4 in danger) so I would generally reccomend a 4 that can really apply pressure, I've played a few games of CW recently and it's nasty. Just some food for thought
@trigestigro4707
11 ай бұрын
I do creep dragging in guardian BEFORE I know this was a thing. I didnt even know there was a name for it :V
@xMoomin
11 ай бұрын
hhhh doing it since warcraft dota hhh
@trigestigro4707
11 ай бұрын
@@xMoomin nah, i've been doing it for an year :P
@mmortal8183
11 ай бұрын
Position 4. The position with the most freedom!
@maesto1000
11 ай бұрын
Thanks
@callumreid4837
8 ай бұрын
goated videos
@jackbyrnes6152
11 ай бұрын
Can you do a guide for every role? And a jg stacking / pulling guide? And an item guide?
@DanielMartinez-u5n
24 күн бұрын
760 Upton Via
@ichangiz
11 ай бұрын
First!! Great video as always Zach.
@io-rj6sk
11 ай бұрын
nice!
@HamyHaxxor
11 ай бұрын
Nice haircut, bud!
@sturlafreyr3793
11 ай бұрын
Creepilibrium
@MainCharactersyndromee
11 ай бұрын
This whole video reminds me of the logic of Communism. "The theory seems legit and great while the execution is disastrous" Great video Sir
@chetankumar3488
11 ай бұрын
Yesterday I played wd as pos4 lost lane me 0 5 opponent jugg is 5 0 latter I joined team fight, gone for blink dagger & aganms sep then we owned the game finally got mvp😅😅
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@kannonfrost665
9 ай бұрын
Play dark Willow and then go carry because your carry sucks
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