Players: What tactics have we got? GW: Let me see. Ah, yes. Riptide spam. And look! More Riptide spam.
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
"They got a lot of better" .... XD "All faction got postivie and negative" *laughing in custodes* "Oh you need to make your triptide hump each other " .... Is that what you gue'la call "strategy" ? And yeah Not FW tau just hard suck maybe FW will save them
@mrdizaster404
4 жыл бұрын
@@fabienherry6690 So... what you're saying is, custodes is still broken. Sick. At this point, why do the grey knights even exist if they're just worse custodes?
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
@@mrdizaster404 Reduction in point reduction in map size more CP as a base . The only problem they have is the lack of chaff to take back line objectives but i think paying 2 cp for a patrol of guards might be okay
@J.Panxer
4 жыл бұрын
That and commander and drone spam...yaaaaaaay. Tau codex needs to be 5 pages and 50 pages of fluff that we will never use.
@LarsxLeia
2 жыл бұрын
Looking at this a year later, with a sad chuckle
@zhufortheimpaler4041
4 жыл бұрын
i wish for gw that the next tau codex is going back to the tau roots. highly mobile and flexible movements with precise, specialised firepower in all range bands with dedicated unit roles. im tired of triptide and gunline/castle. i want classic armies back
@mchinn8465
4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys! Very useful information for the next time i play my Tau friend :D
@redcorsair14
4 жыл бұрын
Ug, they pigeonholed Tau into one build. Castling and drone spam with Tau sept. A shame they got rid of the mobile heavy mechanized feel of old tau with tanks and transports backed up by a few suits. Tau tanks seem almost worthless when you compare them to their heavy suit equivalents. I need to find out how squadron rules and transport rules work in 9th to see if Tau vehicles are truly dead in the water.
@onepangaean3018
2 жыл бұрын
Are they?
@deang8017
4 жыл бұрын
So just to clarify. Are you now confirming that Shadowsun and Farsight will gain the keyword? Does this mean Shadowsun can double Kauyon for another sept now?
@siroaktree6656
4 жыл бұрын
yes. yes she can.
@joshlmartin1ify
4 жыл бұрын
Stumbled across this and love the content! New sub here :) Couple of questions: Is shadowsun going to maybe be good this edition or stick to commanders? Can a ta'unar be playable or no?
@TabletopTitans
4 жыл бұрын
The Ta'unar is still excellent and Shadowsun is also going to be great. Nothing really made either of these worse.
@multigwilty5154
4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to try a 6 commander farsight enclave list in 3 patrols. 3 strike teams of 10, two devilfish and 2 groups of crisis suits, one 5 one 3.
@EFCAGGIETEAM
4 жыл бұрын
Please please do a pure Khorne (worldeaters) strategy list like this video. Love your work!! Very insightful. I play worldeaters Khorne only. I don’t believe in mixing the gods. But I have really struggled with my worldeaters army in 8th edition. What would be the most effective way to field my army in 9th edition? Please to a video??
@Alino-
4 жыл бұрын
I play Chaos Daemons of Khorne only. I can NEVER find a good Khorne Daemon (purely khorne daemons, not other daemons, not marine allies) video online unless it's for Age of Sigmar.
@themanbehindtheslaughter7633
4 жыл бұрын
Will we get a necron one? Or tyranids? Or admech?
@J.Panxer
3 жыл бұрын
Tau in 9th edition: Get all your riptides and breachers together, and pray there is a new book soon.
@silver4831
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they simply suck at the moment.
@constantinekorkousky3363
2 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for it…
@kalaheojoe8099
4 жыл бұрын
honestly, as a tau player, I would love to see some changes to the game that make aggressive tau a more viable option. I love to play aggressive using farsight enclaves or voirla sept. I wish people would stop with triptide and castles that never move.
@misafrenchie
4 жыл бұрын
I just ordered stuff to make a mellee tau and now im just not even interested in warhammer.
@amg5787
4 жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m trying to do. Enclave with lots of infantry. @silent peet, I don’t blame you.
@Kanjejou
4 жыл бұрын
with the new reserve stuff i think it will be easier to use cheap units as flankers and thus be more aggressiv. kroots and dogs are now quite better since they don't have to start on board. Giving them the ability to get the charge they need to make their point back... well kroots can use cover better now but still
@misafrenchie
4 жыл бұрын
@@Kanjejou plus they got new commands in psychic awakening. But Its like giving one of the worst models in the army a weapon you still have to pay for. Or I could take a better unit and pay the same price :I
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
@@misafrenchie Try canceling your order maybe you still can
@SilentWanderer1990
4 жыл бұрын
3 seconds into the video: "T'au are one of the most changed faction in 9th edition." End of the video, suggested list to build: List 1: 2X Commanders 3X Riptides OR List 2: 5X Commanders 3X Riptides Both of these options are TRIPTIDES, how is that different from 8th edition? *Internal Scream*
@MercenaryGirlfriend
4 жыл бұрын
I've spent a lot of time spite building ANYTHING but commander spam and triptide and I just don't think anything short of a new codex will change the meta recommendation of triptide, its just too efficient compared to every other composition, i'm still not gonna do it, but I'm looking forward to some sort of major rework later in the edition... I hope
@misafrenchie
4 жыл бұрын
Because riptide spam was in 7th edition and only those who didn't keep up with competative stayed with it. It was far more viable to use broadsides instead. Now were going back to 7th which is a big change and not for the better.
@5punkybob
4 жыл бұрын
I only have two riptides... I'm so hip!
@thejestor9378
4 жыл бұрын
They do remember that those lists mean you are losing CP as only Patrol, Brigade, and Battalion have the cp refund built in.
@BaileyBecca
4 жыл бұрын
Pierre I only own 1 singular rip tide even in 7th ed I only took one
@someguyinatshirt2624
4 жыл бұрын
To be totally honest, I was drawn to tau because of the crisis battlesuits, and I've been holding out hope that the jetpack keyword would fix them. Oh well, my tau go to the back shelf.
@ryeanchan
4 жыл бұрын
Seems silly that a Jet Pak Mecha can't jump about and do what.. Jumpy Mecha actually are designed to do....
@christinasmith2209
4 жыл бұрын
I dont think were going to get it back man jump shoot jump was amazing and unique, but its just another iteration of Codex Triptide.
@NIMMHATVRapBeats
4 жыл бұрын
@@christinasmith2209 I never played a tabletop game, but isn't that highly overpowered to Jump, Shoot and then Jump away again? How can you beat those units then?
@chainsawpanda2
4 жыл бұрын
@@NIMMHATVRapBeats by shooting them down or out speeding them. Crisis suits were never that durable to more than 1 round of shooting.
@BaileyBecca
4 жыл бұрын
Big sad. Maybe one day we can have jump shoot jump back
@NinjaPokeProductions
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe, just maybe, like with just enough of a possibility, the next Tau codex will not just force players to use 2 types of model to be viable.
@acousticoutlaw8607
4 жыл бұрын
I was excited to play a hyper aggressive farsight army but the hit to the cold stars and characters negates a lot of its viability
@NinjaPokeProductions
4 жыл бұрын
@@acousticoutlaw8607 It's a sad time for us all brother
@BaileyBecca
4 жыл бұрын
I played fast in your face shooty you hard tau but lost almost every game. Heresy hopping it get better
@Spiran_SphereHunter
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah the one we won't see until near the end of the cycle in 2021 ;)
@TheKutthroatKid
3 жыл бұрын
This video didn't age well... #savetau
@Varmint111
4 жыл бұрын
*Experience the all new Warhammer 40k 9th edition! Meta shattering points and rule changes! By nerfing 1 of a 2 part mega cheese list by 50%!!, 3 Riptides and 50 shield drones are a thing of the past! You can finally play the lists you've always wanted! This includes but is not limited to:* *3 Riptides and 30 shield drones!* *3 Riptides and 20 shield drones!*
@Colton_T
3 жыл бұрын
The tactical drones are now 20 ppm, but crisis suits are 25 ppm not 30
@terrorkind
4 жыл бұрын
2 list ideas: 2 commanders and 3 riptides.... OR!....... 5 commanders and 3 riptides. somebody has to start the slow clap, huh.
@ankharimcv9104
4 жыл бұрын
:D :D :D
@acousticoutlaw8607
4 жыл бұрын
Two totally unique and innovative ideas to push us into the new edition!
@JA-bi9qo
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why anybody assumed that this edition change would amount to a radical shift in how Tau play. 8th to 9th is not a change on par with 7th to 8th. Adjustments, sure. Drone positioning. Screening. Detachment composition. But it will take a rewrite of the codex to significantly alter the dominant playstyles.
@terrorkind
4 жыл бұрын
@@JA-bi9qo "I'm not sure why..." Well, if you're not sure, just think a little more maybe. You could at least make an effort to see where the idea came from? Overwatch was anounced to be a cp-strat BEFORE they told us that this wouldnt be the case for Tau. Would have been a radical shift. Changes to the fly keyword ARE a radical shift. Even the new Farsight enclave rules amount to radical shift. There was a good chance Tau would play differently and sadly, it hasn't happened. But comments like "I'm not sure why anybody assumed..." man, just try not to be such a smartass when you're not actually saying something smart. "It will take a rerite of the coxed.." - yeah, uhhh... new codexes come out all the time. Excuse the rest of us for thinking maybe there's a new codex on the horizon in a year or two :D
@JA-bi9qo
4 жыл бұрын
@@terrorkind what's your point? Farsight Enclaves offered a playstyle change, yes, but they weren't changes to the core rules of the game (which is what is happens in a new edition). We all wish the codex was a little less mono-build, I get it. But the bottom line is that the Tau datasheets, sept traits, and faction abilities are not changing. You can only change so much about how a faction plays without addressing the content of the codex. p.s. lighten up a little, it's just a game.
@BuiltNotBoughtUK
4 жыл бұрын
So sad that they destroyed the option of fixing Crisis Suits. We all so want to run them more often and not just rely on Riptides but they force us to run triptides. So hoped that 9th would help us get away from them.
@scpfoundationagentsmith9301
3 жыл бұрын
Crisis suits are cheaper than riptides thats why just saying its money
@5punkybob
4 жыл бұрын
This video is very informative, but I wish non tournament type players could playtest. I never spammed riptides or commanders and I've had heaps of fun and no one hates playing against me.
@inf3243
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I feel that way too. I play casually with a small group of people, not interested in the tournament scene. Like to stay on top of the rules so everything's fair but am sick of rules constantly changing to address problems that just aren't a problem for us.
@CommDante
4 жыл бұрын
@@inf3243 If you are with a small group, you can always stick with 8th, or houserule certain new rules... just be sure to write it down. ;) Personally I like narrative play more too, it's more fun to play more thematic than cheese-list imho.
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
I play test in TTS A LOT and with all the leak on this 9th edition (rules point ect) i can tell you : casual Tau was dying it's now dead
@starbugmechanic5236
4 жыл бұрын
Screw triptides! I’m still gonna bring those fluffy lists
@codymichaelsouthgate9705
4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys, well made and great thoughts and information, except... you spend the entire video talking about how the T'au as a faction are going to be ok, and then your two suggested lists are from a busted 7th edition formation that utterly ruined the entire communities opinion of T'au: Triple Riptides... in both of your suggested lists... are you kidding me. "Take 3 riptides, 5 commanders and 30 drones, literally ignore 95% of the codex, disregard anything in here you think you like and just buy 3 riptides if you want to still play T'au in 9th edition." That's your advice after play testing for 8 months? Belligerently discouraging. That literally means GW didn't balance the game or the books based on play tester feedback and it's why I was concerned about tournament players testing the game. This is a tournament players idea of playing a faction, 3 units from an entire codex.
@TabletopTitans
4 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day the codex didn't change, only the main rules. The Riptide and commanders are still the best units in the codex by far and the new rules only helped them and hurt other units. I agree that it would be great if new lists were stronger, but at the moment I believe these are the best units.
@codymichaelsouthgate9705
4 жыл бұрын
@@TabletopTitans That is a good point, I completely forgot the Codex hasn't been redone, so how could T'au playstyle change. This entire army needs a redo from the foundation up. Auxiliaries need to synergize more and they have to let go of the idea that T'au don't melee or have psychers, that has to go, or they need to accept that in the lore Kroot do the melee for them so make them more effective in melee and their are psychic allies, so introduce a Psychic auxiliary, give T'au player the option to play multiple phases. The T'au are thee most adaptable race in the game (Tyranids also), according to their lore yet here they are, just shooting more bullets. Fusion blades as a standard crisis suit loadout is a good start, since T'au are always getting locked in combat anyway and now they cannot leave and shoot, or take Mortal Wounds if they do...yes, that is a natural evolution of the T'au philosophy, do what you must to survive to fight another day, for the Greater Good. Thanks for taking the time to respond and engaging me in conversation, it is very much appreciated.
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
@@TabletopTitans But point did and OH boy we are served . Change that needed to happen didn't and they just consolidated or try to block bad behavior without understanding the root (spam riptide and commander) . Man at what point they will understand that a faction that focus on shooting CAN'T have it's elite BS at 4+
@DMKA94
4 жыл бұрын
@@fabienherry6690 Fire warriors really should be bs 4 or atleast improve the ap on the pulse rifles. The kroot are irrelevant with initiative being thrown out, same problem with the vespids. A new auxiliary unit that can deny psychic powers would be nice!
@Gamzrok
4 жыл бұрын
You know, it would be great if GW would buff enough of the rest of the Tau's units so we don't have to Riptide/Commander spam. Crisis suits are useless again, and infantry too it seems. Can we please not get forced to castle?
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
You know why crisis suit suck and commander are spammed? Because commander 2+ BS in point average is what a 3+ crisis suit would be . Give veteran guardsmen stats to crisis and people will start to play them. But i guess riptide mold need to turn
@razzamatronic9882
4 жыл бұрын
It would be really great if they would make the Railgun useable
@ARCThunder
4 жыл бұрын
@@razzamatronic9882 I really hate how each edition from 6th onwards has devalued our railguns. We used to be known for having the preeminent anti-vehicle sniper and now the idea of them destroying a vehicle is laughable.
@mogaman28
3 жыл бұрын
Someone has to pay GW bills.
@tehboxkat
2 жыл бұрын
@@razzamatronic9882 boy, do I have news for you from the future.
@pinhead61187
3 жыл бұрын
Well this aged like yogurt
@LordInter
3 жыл бұрын
I'm new to tau, this is wrong now?
@jamesramirez523
3 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering the same, how have things changed? I’m new as well and about to pull the trigger on my first army.
@MrAirigoniel
4 жыл бұрын
You say we can have a Commander in a Supreme Command detachment, but how? Howe do we give it the Supreme Commander trait? Only Primarchs, Daemon Primarchs and Supreme Commanders can be in a supreme command detachment.
@acdcgeek
4 жыл бұрын
These guys mention riptides so much it's not fun. I'm biased because I don't like the riptide for being the "only" viable build.
@petergammon4458
4 жыл бұрын
I just wanna see a vespid, kroot, fire warrior and pathfinder army with a couple of pihranas, what happened to making Tau the new innovative race... maybe im just bitter that i only have one riptide...
@TheCinderfang
4 жыл бұрын
The tau auxiliaries should have their place
@JackieFishHD
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome can't wait for all the content over 9th
@BB-pn2qv
3 жыл бұрын
Boy did this guy end up getting sad disappointed.
@granthyslop9125
4 жыл бұрын
I have concerns for 9th. Tau used to have Mobile (Mechanized) lists, Gunline lists, and Hybrid lists; this was even in the lore. Now Mobile sounds key for objectives, but Battlesuits have no JSJ from 7th, and no fallback-shoot from 8th. Even these guys are saying they're bad now, "It's a massive hit to the army...something scary for the army, but you can mitigate this very big negative." Their answer? Castle gunlines with screens The same boring T'au other players don't like facing, and even some Tau don't like playing. 8th was 'play the army your way' which removed my mobile Farsight Enclaves until recently, and now 9th is taking it away again.
@TabletopTitans
4 жыл бұрын
I agree that many Tau units will struggle, but I am determined to dig deep into the codex and find builds that work, outside of the static castle which I agree is boring.
@granthyslop9125
4 жыл бұрын
@@TabletopTitans I appreciate the reply. I had a feeling you guys were feeling the same way making this video, and especially in your other replies. I guess we'll just have to wait to see the codex, but as it stands, T'au don't have hidden gems to rely on.
@Kronathon
4 жыл бұрын
The fact the only models that can be recommended are Riptides/Drones and Commanders makes me concerned about the state of Tau in 9th, unless the point changes are not drastic (Even though I bet we pay a juicy premium for that overwatch we keep) I can't see there being any variety in Tau lists. Which is nothing short of a shame
@VeiledMalice
4 жыл бұрын
We REALLY need a new codex. I've decided to swap over to Necrons for this upcoming edition because "bunker up and use Ripides" is exactly what I've been doing for the past couple editions straight. It sucks for my opponents and it sucks for me because now you take away another phase (movement) in an army which already doesn't have a psychic or fight phase. I really hope GW brings back mobility synergy in whatever they have cooking because this is why people hate playing against Tau.
@griffoncs6431
4 жыл бұрын
I was so excited with the changes to overwatch until they just gave all Tau units the ability to do it anyway. Nobody wants to play a Tau castle. They are supposed to be mobile. Does GW even read their own fluff?
@codymichaelsouthgate9705
4 жыл бұрын
@@griffoncs6431 actually now, The guy who wrote the T'au codex for 8th never played the T'au before. Most of the story sections are copy pasted from previous editions. So... No, he had no idea how T'au operate.
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
Points change ARE drastic: you talk about kroot ? 50% price increase. fire warrior ? 29% pathfinder ? 120% (even with markerlight free it still 37.5%) broadside? 29% increase hammerhead? 25% increase with weapon included (average for other faction is 16% hey) And going to what we obviously gonna see : Riptide ? 13% increase combat drone? 0% increase (maybe commander are still viable with only 18% increase) You want Tau to be a mobile shooting army then promote crisis that are MADE for this . But even if people want to play crisis the 3+ BS they should have base is a 4+ and so people choose to spam the commander which stats line are in line with a 3+ crisis (and GW react by just fobidding it ...) "Oh but you can have one 3+ crisis with a stratagems" paying for what should be ... Well having ONE mobile unit when you already have a castle.Mobility has no worth if 70% of your army is a castle. "But you can spam veteran now" Exactly what the Tau are : paying for what people have as a base. Like the entire markerlight rule to have the +1 BS and bring your army up to veteran guardsmen level when they are supose to concentrate on that ... you need 110 point of pathfinder that didn't move cause if they did it's 166 points. And boy they are squishy don't hope to have much left if the ennemy even look at it . What ? Bring markerlight in infantry squad ? might survive but now it's 140 point if the entire 10 unit didn't move if not it's 210 points (of JUST the single model) Well they cost CP to bring and we want people to play mobile so maybe they will avoid point hammer? Let's see : crisis suit? 25% and weapons kept the same cost or even more expensive
@razzamatronic9882
4 жыл бұрын
@@codymichaelsouthgate9705 I've theorized this for a long time, and you've just proven it, is there a place I can reference that says that so I can prove it to my friends who don't believe me?
@Romeo_Delta
4 жыл бұрын
"Tau is one of the most changed factions in 9th edition!" Retains Overwatch including FTGG while every other faction has to pay for it. Shield Drone Spam unchanged. Triptide and Commander spam lists. Yeah, sure seems like big changes....
@TheCrimsonSpork
4 жыл бұрын
The victim mentality is palpable... These are definitely Tau Players.
@DracoTheBlack
4 жыл бұрын
Show me on the mini where the Riptide touched you...
@kitlloyd7920
4 жыл бұрын
the tau lose two phases in the form of Psychic and Melee, this just gains them back an additional shooting phase (where they only hit on 6+ or 5+ if they are T'au sept). This was needed so that they didn't become the worst army available.
@leegarner4592
4 жыл бұрын
You can't re-roll for saviour protocols any more. Commanders are one per detachment I believe? So you need to pay CP for more than one. Riptides are indeed very good as ever, but we don't know points costs yet. They completely lost one of their major advantages with the change to FLY keyword. They mention in the IF/Tau batrep that there are many viable ways to build the army now.
@misafrenchie
4 жыл бұрын
8th edition lost the riptide spam in competative play because it wasn't as viable. We're now back to 7th ed making big castles. Especially with how drones and commander cover changed. It's a big change from 8th but its almost the exact same as 7th which is where everyone started hating tau.
@foxzz1999
4 жыл бұрын
So disapointed. Was hoping for a return of Mobile T'au and Crisis suits. Instead we're back with Castle T'au and Big units. So boring. Might as well play guard ...
@stumperino1177
4 жыл бұрын
Step 1: sell tau Step 2: buy space marines Step 3: cry at the state of the hobby
@burnbobquist8999
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah great... so i have my full fusion coldstar commander now stuck in the backline, because GW basicly took everything that made them great away? Oh great that i have a lot of Crisis suits, because i love to play Farsight and they get nerfed like hell too. GW fucked up the Tau in this edition... "Oh you wanna play Tau? Here, castle yourself in with Riptides. bye.". That is NOT how i want to play them and on top we still have no valid melee unit apart from maybe Farsight... This sucks, big time.
@Irongrip09
4 жыл бұрын
literally the whole Tau fluff during combat is they feel holding ground is pointless and being mobile and adaptive is how they fight. Its good to wreck others on one hand with my coldstar and Riptide, but i found after game 5 i was a bit bored.
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE
4 жыл бұрын
Could be worse. You could be playing Tyranids...
@jonathannoble7657
4 жыл бұрын
How to play tau in 9th. Put all your units in a giant blob. Shoot things. Profit.
@rookpwnd
4 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on how long itll be until Tau get a new codex?
@jamesoakley9333
4 жыл бұрын
Show us darkstrider please! I'm a tau player that quit when the castling killed 7th.... show me something I can play please! Give me a reason to come back to tabletop!(Have one RT but refuse to buy more)
@kaiitza9949
4 жыл бұрын
Devilfish, 7 Breachers and Pistols, Guardian drone, Shield drone and Darkstrider. Roll up, jump out and melt face, charge with the 'fish to soak up overwatch. They are designed for aggressive objective clearing and being a thorn that your opponent must deal with, to allow your heavy hitters to keep dealing damage near-unhindered for a turn or two. Double up the Warfish and Breacher squads for more chaos. I love my mechanized Tau that I'm willing to adapt to this meta, it might not be the strongest list but at least it breaks the mold. I'm just a filthy casual who doesn't care to bring the strongest lists to annoy friends with, as I'm a strong believer in more diversity than taking the I-have-no-friends Triptide/Commander list.
@ninja5879
4 жыл бұрын
Just riptide castle, Drone/commander spam. Again. *sigh*
@TabletopTitans
4 жыл бұрын
That is the strongest build right now, but other things still work.
@gabefreitas8840
4 жыл бұрын
Tabletop Titans bummer
@LucasAraujo-up4pg
4 жыл бұрын
The same, but different... but still the same.
@cacahouetteuh
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the death of fun.
@johnnemesh5459
3 жыл бұрын
How to play T'au in 9th edition: Wait for new codex, then try again.
@NLaRue
4 жыл бұрын
Wait wait wait wait. How are you not able to afford a battalion? Three units of Fire Warriors only sets you back 105 points.
@craigd4840
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. As play testers I was wondering...did you feed back tau are essentially mono build now with essentially 3 unit Riptides, commanders and drones? I feel like the point of play testing was to avoid things like this...
@duerf5826
4 жыл бұрын
Sadly, Triptides will be the way to go until the new codex drops. With the new HEAVY rule, Tau retaining overwatch, and Counterfire Defense System, Tau Sept Triptide is just too good. On the other hand, running FSE Crisis spam in 9e means that you have to pay at least 4 more cp just to field four more Commanders and that's on top of Veteran Cadre and Emergency Dispensation, that's 9 or 10cp out of the game.
@TabletopTitans
4 жыл бұрын
Games Workshop is aware of the frustrations with Tau. At the start of 9th we are still using 8th rules, so not that much changes about how the army plays. In a future codex I hope they find some new ideas that make Tau opponents enjoy the game more.
@zhufortheimpaler4041
4 жыл бұрын
@@TabletopTitans and what about tau players, that want to enjoy the army? castling and triptide commanders are meta for at least 3 editions now and it sucks. with every new iteration of 40k and the tau codex, gw is stripping away the uniqueness and defining features of tau gameplay and turning them into onedimensional gunlines, wich is just not fun to play against or play with.
@sanninjiraiya
4 жыл бұрын
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Tau keep turning into a high tech ig instead if being a highly mobile and adaptable force.
@ComradePenguinski
4 жыл бұрын
@@sanninjiraiya Even IG used to be mobile (5th edition Meltagun fun bus), and wasn't just Infantry spam. It seems like GW is just slowly but surely taking away the uniqueness of every faction, so that the only choice is "would you like to hit guys with swords or guns?".
@peterandjunko
4 жыл бұрын
Great content. So glad you guys were playtesters and already know the edition inside out. Couple questions: What HQ can you take for Supreme Command Detachment- I saw that it was for Primarchs and Supreme Commander Keyword only. Do all tau commanders get this keyword now? So do you think ATS and Counterfire are default support systems now for riptides? How about Ghostkeels?
@peterandjunko
4 жыл бұрын
What do you think of Stealth suits in 9th? Are they worth taking as resilient infiltrators for objectives- or does Fly nerf hurt them too much - as it does to crisis?
@loglyn
4 жыл бұрын
@@peterandjunko I think they will be useful, but it really depends on points.
@PP-th4ft
3 жыл бұрын
Has your perspective on the power level of Tau changed since? Apparently they are considered one of the weaker factions now.
@trzynasty909
3 жыл бұрын
It absolutely has, as they themselves in later bat reps often do talk about how awful T'au are doing. I mean I'm watching this and just cringing with every other sentence, because they were just so mistaken in their expectations. Lots of changes for T'au? They're probably the least changed faction and will be so until the codex drops. Shooting edition? It's the most melee-focused one as of yet it seems. Smaller board size better for T'au? Abso-damn-lutely not. "Come charge me first one!", believing in FtGG and overwatch... Nah. They get ripped to shreds if that happens and the overwatch is nowhere near as useful as any single round of shooting. The boys messed up big time and should re-do this, but they probably don't want to, because the codex will come and again change everything.
@mca4100
4 жыл бұрын
Whattt???? Taking away the Fly keyword, and making LOS rules better for blocking it and the fact that they so heavily rely on Marker lights leaves them in a bad spot. Plus only having 3 viable units to use makes them super predictable.
@shadowl1980
4 жыл бұрын
Let's have none tourney players test play the game.
@GundamReviver
3 жыл бұрын
Yes please, so you'd still see if normal non 'triptide armies actually still work. Army now too Powerfull IF you take riptides? Maybe that's the riptides problem..
@acousticoutlaw8607
4 жыл бұрын
Tau nick please save us
@michaelf.7339
4 жыл бұрын
If you had problems with not enough CP with Tau in 8th Ed you played them wrong. 5 men squads of Fire Warriors with Cadre Fireblades for 2-3 Battalions and the rest Piptides and Broadsides with rockets, easily 12+ CP. In my oppinion the true strength of Tau shooting is not the low amount of high damage anti-tank shots but the mass of shots at 18" or more with the respective drones from Fire Warriors and the tons of rocket SMS shots with Broadsides.
@dv8tyler692
3 жыл бұрын
9th edition..... Another fine example of Games Workshop having no clue how to design a game. The problem is Warhammer is flawed at the very core of the rules and so long as GW doesn't just do a major overhaul of said rules it will always be one of the worst table top war games. But hey the models look amazing.... but their over priced as all hell, so..... yeah
@codypannell9463
4 жыл бұрын
This hurts me BAAAAAADD!!!!!! I have been using crisis suits since I got the army. Used them when they were "bad" and used them still when they got good.... now tho..... oof, it's going to be rough as hell lol
@luke2080
4 жыл бұрын
Crisis Suits aren’t ever going to be as bad as they were in 5th Edition. If anything they’re insanely strong now, just that there’s technically better. And technically better is the best kind of better.
@Kanjejou
4 жыл бұрын
well they are costly but as specialised units with triple cheap weapons(burst canons flame thrower or plasma) they still do their job well... its just that the same stuff in other army is underpriced, aggressor for exemple cost 120pts for 3 guys with triple bolter +2d6 bolter shot and energetic melee weapons better shootting skills and better rules...
@FMJIRISH
4 жыл бұрын
... Without Jump-Shoot-Jump, Crisis suits are done. 5th Edition suits could at least avoid getting tagged in turn one
@MLaak86
3 жыл бұрын
Getting started with Tau, guess I should just go with what I think is cool and in lore and accept getting killed lots as a result - no way I'm gonna be "that guy" or "triptides? Nope not playing you!"
@Son0fAggression
4 жыл бұрын
so they're still exactly the same. Same broken riptide spam and not much more...
@OrckDorck
4 жыл бұрын
Really disheartening to see GW immediately nerf the actual fun and varied builds that Psychic Awakening gave us in favor of pushing more triptide drone spam, one of the most unfun and boring lists in the game to play as or against. Hoping against hope we can get a decent rework sometime in 9e's lifespan. I don't even care if it's top tier or not, as long it's actually, you know, *fun*.
@alexmelik4030
4 жыл бұрын
My biggest problem is I hate Riptides -_- It's probably the only battlesuit model outside of old FW crysis suites that I dislike, it's just lame.
@petearmstrong7940
4 жыл бұрын
Really like your section at 16:44 - Using obscuring terrain. Keep up the great work!
@pacecory1
4 жыл бұрын
huh, i always had the most CP when playing with Tau. I was on par with guard, of course I ended up spending it all real quick, but that's just how CP works
@CloudianMH
4 жыл бұрын
Youbwhere on par with guard... Playing tau.. I cant even fathom how terrible those lists look 😂. Offense or anything. Tau have cery few good units. If you're bringing anything brigadey you're def in trouble. With 2k points.
@fabienherry6690
4 жыл бұрын
@@CloudianMH 38 point 3 time for a 5 man strike team with a marker light : markerlight that can actually survive (i think that everytime i play second tau my opponent barely look at my pathfinder and they are dead (yeah they are visible because i don't want to shoot them on 5+)
@CesarIsaacPerez
4 жыл бұрын
I hope Tau get new units to offset the changes. didn't GW say next year was the year of the Xenos...? Hope they update all the Xenos armies like they are doing with Necrons now.
@Zach0451
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the Supreme Command detatchment is no longer an option for Tau
@brandonsteinhauer5281
4 жыл бұрын
Battalion/Patrol/Patrol or triple Patrol im guessing is gonna be the new normal.
@jovialmonster757
4 жыл бұрын
Wdym?
@4squaremiles
4 жыл бұрын
I suspect Shadowsun will get the supreme commander keyword, but yeah, they're not the same thing any more.
@TheLagiacrus1
4 жыл бұрын
Shadowsun will almost certainly be a Supreme Commander. Possibly Farsight too, but definitely Shadowsun
@linkofvev
4 жыл бұрын
@@jovialmonster757 Supreme command is 1 primarch/daemon primarch/supreme commander only now. Also airwing is gone too
@egagnon714
4 жыл бұрын
I'm excited to try breachers in fish on the smaller table sizes, ntm strategic reserved fish of fury
@TabletopTitans
4 жыл бұрын
I think this tactic could work pretty well. I'm excited to try this as well.
@pigzy9807
4 жыл бұрын
The outflank is 2 CP for 19 PL, 5 breaches are 2PL (unless it is getting changed), so you can get 45 breachers or fire warriors outflanking for only 2CP. Fire blade is 2PL darkstrider is 3PL. So you can out flank with a load of infantry for not much, come in with allot of mid - short range daka and then threaten objectives. I'm not sure if this is going to be the best way to play tau, but to me it sounds fun and fairly effective.
@cathode6252
4 жыл бұрын
Devilfish are crap. You are better off taking a Ghostkeel for the point cost.
@paweszpakowski1234
3 жыл бұрын
someone: How to play Tau in 9th edition? I: you don't
@razzamatronic9882
4 жыл бұрын
The more they release for 9th, what with the smaller board and the no falling back and shooting, points increases, the problems that have already been present in Tau since the start of 8, I feel like somebody at GW who's in charge of the rules just really does not like Tau
@razzamatronic9882
4 жыл бұрын
Frankly, the Tau need an overhaul of several aspects at this point
@BB-pn2qv
3 жыл бұрын
This a joke? Lol
@colinbrown5646
4 жыл бұрын
If the list is for a 2000 point game and I dont see Supremacy Armor, I dont wanna talk.
@falloutboy9993
3 жыл бұрын
Bottom line: Tau got a big Nerf and have to rely on our old spam tactics to even have a chance. And even then we will probably lose because of victory points. I hope they change up a lot with our new codex. Whenever we get it
@MarioGrotschar
4 жыл бұрын
So happy TAU are blessed by 9th edition... NOT.
@inf3243
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like shenanigans like what you demonstrate in the Drone Placement Ideas section are what ultimately hurt the game and just lead to this strung out arms race between GW's rulesets and tourney players. Every time I see tactics videos going into detail about positioning tricks like conga lines, wrapping units etc. it just makes me sad. Want to play a wargame, not a puzzle game.
@ridavanderkam3536
4 жыл бұрын
lol, all the buffs are "buffs for the whole game, but tau REALLY take advantage" nice.
@MichaelEntwistle
4 жыл бұрын
These lists make me really regret starting Tau. Basically get as many Riptides and Commanders as possible. No discussion of any other unit other than saying Kroot are still bad, and this is after months of playtesting.
@TheCinderfang
4 жыл бұрын
I do wish that kroot had the ability to fulfill their purpose
@camokablamo7097
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the strategies! I started in 9th and haven’t won a single game.
@themanbehindtheslaughter7633
4 жыл бұрын
first comment, i love shooting tau
@ImperialLegionTV
4 жыл бұрын
Breachers + Devilfish.
@gamedev4032
4 жыл бұрын
How would you build a Combat Partrol battle size list (500pts or 25PL) with Tau? You don't have enough point for proper markerlight support, you can take one Enforcer Commander with ATS and 3 Missiles, a single Riptide with ATS and CDS, and a MSU Breacher Team for exactly 500pts - without drone? I've played this list once but it was mostly trash, the breacher are going out turn 1 and after that you just have no way to hold any objective. I've tried replacing the Riptide with 2 Broadsides and a few drones and it's a little better but if the opponent successfully tied even a single Broadside down (by locking it into combat, making retreat no possible at all) it's pretty much game over.
@МятыйКот
3 жыл бұрын
Guys, this is very sad .. I tried kill team for Tau six months ago. I liked it and I decided to collect an army of the Great Good. And almost immediately, the 9th edition comes to Warhammer. And your only favorite faction ends up in complete shit. And now I am even afraid to buy something and build a roster, because it is not known what will be in the new code and my roster may be absolutely unplayable. The thing is that the tau were originally made such that they drove them to a dead end .. You cannot fight, but you shoot. if you did not manage to shoot the enemy on the way to you, you are dead. Hit or miss. Black or white. Only two options. And to run to you with such shooting, ballistics skill, with such a miserable overwatch will not be difficult for any army in general. What can fix this situation? 1) Increase the ballistic skill to 3+ It would seem that this would devalue the markerlights. But no. Just fix the marker table. For example: 1 marker-reroll 1to hit; 2 marker !!!! - overwatch 5+ or 4+; 3 markers - no cover benefits; and marker 4 is about missiles, and marker 5 is ATTENTION !! Not +1 that hit, but ignoring all buffs of the enemy army for a hit penalty. Thus, you will shoot according to the standard ballistic skill 3+. In my opinion, not bad and not an imbalance. 2) Dealing damage. I think, taking into account the latest trends, we need to make some guns more armor-piercing and with a damage of 2. Here we need to think. For example, the pulse of a rifle or burst of a gun, change the stats by 5; -1; 2. It is also possible to revise some of the big guns of battle suits so that they can adequately respond to toughness 8, which is now so much (for vehicles of spacemarines for example). 3) Add a stratagem that would allow shooting at the FIGHTING PHASE from all available weapons, as if they were firing at an ultra-short distance. 4) And the last. To prevent fire warriors from being such cannon fodder, you need to increase their vitality. You can leave them their stamina and the number of wounds, but increase the save to 3+. And you can give a stratagem on fnp, which would be very useful for controlling points. That's probably all. And believe me, compared to those changes and bonuses of the enemy armies, all this would not be imbalanced. This would allow this army to play with dignity and give a competitive rebuff to the enemy.
@briantaulbee5744
4 жыл бұрын
The new unit coherency rules are, IMHO, going to be aces for Thousand Sons, particularly the Cult of Magic with all of the mortal wound splash damage they can pump out. They're going to chew through castles like nobody's business.
@CrimsonEsso
3 жыл бұрын
Hold up. About the Move-and-Shoot change. Broadsides dont have neither monster nor vehicle keyword. What do you mean, when you say this new rule change affects broadsides?
@UnknownEntity334
2 жыл бұрын
Cant say I like the New meta, Just stand there and do nothing with as many troops as possible.it doesnt feel like warhammer. Its so Basic, Theres No purpose, Just stand and do action on objective:S i dont get why they did it. Im not saying riptides with drones are fine but.. ugh
@LordPadriac
2 жыл бұрын
Every faction looses some benefits or sees some weakened while new ones get introduced or old ones strengthened. That's nothing special or new. Language like "X got better" or "Y got worse" generally boils down to people realizing that they can abuse some new exploit or loophole or their favorite trash netlist is no longer viable and they'll actually have to learn to play the game now because their favorite loophole or exploit was taken away or nerfed.
@thesophistichimp7425
3 жыл бұрын
After watching this video and reading the comments I feel like I’m the only person who just plays models they like for tau. I love the riptide model but even I only run 1. Don’t want to be that guy who only runs three
@freakyfishguy1692
4 жыл бұрын
I started playing tau over a decade now, and the primary tactic was the fish of fury. I still to do this day only play infantry and hover tanks. No crisis suits apart from a commander, and maybe some stealth suits depending on the day. I don't even own any playable crisis suits, no Riptide's, no Ghostkeels. It sucks so much that my fast style of rapid deploying fire warriors and hammerheads, piranhas and devilfish is barely playable. I don't want to play Riptide's, they aren't like anything I want to play, I don't want to build or paint one. I want to play mechanised tau like I used to,like what was the tau style. I really hope tau tanks get buffs in the new codex, compare them to Eldar vehicle upgrades and it's night and day
@silver4831
3 жыл бұрын
You play Tau, you need support suits. Inf spam just won't work for us.
@williamroby3017
2 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda confused I thought if you changed through terrain that has "obscured" you couldn't get over watch?
@squirlking2
2 жыл бұрын
So I am so confused I got the 9th edition codex and don't see in the strategems overwatch or the greater good. So I am confused how this works now? How the hell do I deal with people charging me or getting in too close? Crisis suits with flamers? I'm more confused then before. I'm so new to the game that when a pro tries to explain it I feel even more confused due to the shear amount of info and terms I don't understand. Why the hell do tau not have a melee specialized vanguard front line unit I can use as a wall to stop enemy melee?
@BoeHead1969
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry 40K is so broken atm but good luck ad your tournaments they dont have to writh there rules anymore just use the New codex , another thing it feels like 30K has taken over 40K , sm vs sm have fun
@prestonjohnson1537
3 жыл бұрын
Not too happy with 9th. Used to play GK and was just getting into the game. Now the thing that made them different and fun is terrible and the faction isnt really playable as opposed to the poster boy ultrasmurfs. Ugh
@BigRed40TECH
4 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, you mention the small suits, Broadsides for instance, benefiting from the monster/vehicle rules? I don't see Broadsides listed as Monsters, just Battlesuits. Does this mean this was wrong? :O
@TabletopTitans
4 жыл бұрын
They benefit from being able to move and shoot, but they do not get the vehicle ability to shoot in combat.
@BigRed40TECH
4 жыл бұрын
@@TabletopTitans Oh, so they can move and fire those big guns without the Heavy limitation anymore? That's awesome. ... >.> I have 9 Broadsides with Railgun, so this pleases me. lol
@Mithlinthar
4 жыл бұрын
@@BigRed40TECH Magna Relic will be awesome for a unit of 3 Broadsides. Moving and shooting with this experimental weapon is soooo good.
@sea_triscuit7980
3 жыл бұрын
Just once I'd like to see a T'au player not use a GD riptide or triptide list. It's gotten sad and as a T'au player I get flack bc things like this.
@parafoxl7619
2 жыл бұрын
In the example at 21:00, are the 10 drones part of the unit of those mechs or are they seperate from them? If seperate, how are the mechs allowed to fire overwatch if it's only the drones being charged
@vegankowalski5193
3 жыл бұрын
tau cannot physically win in the 9th because it's purly about holding objectibves which they cannot do.
@ominousmecha500
3 жыл бұрын
God just buff the kroot already stop fucking with the Tau proper and fix the extra races the entire reason they exist is to cover the taus weaknesses
@Kociboss
4 жыл бұрын
Tau Codex ? Wait what ? I assumed we would have to wait until 2021 for that (at least :D )
@44johnburton
2 жыл бұрын
How to play Tau, randomly speak about other shit. Excellent
@magearamil8626
3 жыл бұрын
3x Riptide is no longer a way to go, As we are deep into 9th edition, I salute you all haters who though nothing changed
@4x4lo8o
4 жыл бұрын
How do supreme command detachments work? The rules as written don't look like they allow you take a commander
@MrBones-cu1vi
4 жыл бұрын
I cant fucking wait for the new forgeworld rules, really hoping the tau fw stuff gets better.
@8bitkefka
2 жыл бұрын
Well came here for a how to play and most of what I hear is here is the changes... as if we were already tau players great "how to play"
@jmlitwiller
3 жыл бұрын
New player here- am I correct in that Drones cannot hold objectives??
@alfredogonzalez6346
4 жыл бұрын
And you guys didnt speak on how funneled the gameplan relies on riptides?
@azwari9056
3 жыл бұрын
How did those guys get the cyclic ion blaster or raker on the commanders?
@kenners1993
4 жыл бұрын
I mean, you can still hide inside ruins, the game still uses true LoS
@Zorba63
3 жыл бұрын
Well Tau sound Fcked... guess im going back to marines
@justinsnelsnel5801
3 жыл бұрын
Tau = worst faction in 40k by a laughable margin
@omar17474
3 жыл бұрын
Hi guy's I'm comoletly new to this game and I have been reading alot about the tau, I realy like the idea to play whit them. But I been loking for they stats and info but foud noting...how you guy's know how to play them in this edition if you don't have the stats at hand? There is another place but the codex to know each model info ? BTW i have read most of the 7th edition codex but I know that thinges have change a lot
@trzynasty909
3 жыл бұрын
There's a great app called "Battlescribe" that lets you make army lists and see all of their stats.
@mitchd9017
4 жыл бұрын
hey Folks can you maybe not just spam riptides and commanders? Why cant you share tactics that shy away from that... so far after watching this 9th for tau is not looking either fun or good...
@cronykil74
4 жыл бұрын
The problem is that all the other units are far too expensive and the game practically forces players to use certain builds to at least try and make it slightly competitive for them. Put it this way, I've tried using an old style Tau list with no riptides and lots of fire knife and deathrain crisis suits backed up by warriors in fish, and it has sucked. Our options are castle and shoot everything or try and play a game of manoeuvres and get picked apart in combat. With the smaller table and few turns it's even worse now.
@brettclifford2723
4 жыл бұрын
Just getting back into it. Infectious how much you guys are passionate about the game. Keep it up!
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