Your content has been on another level recently, love the added elements past just deck techs. Keep up the great work
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
I really appreciate that! I’ve been grinding! 😊
@mazdab5454
10 ай бұрын
This channel needs to blow up. I've been playing a long time and your channel keeps impressing me with all these ideas.
@veylark1172
11 ай бұрын
Great video! Love how you hit on also being one to help your playgroup too, stopped trying to win with my playgroup a long time ago. Now I just go for shenanigans that help their decks shine haha.
@ReaperSaga-3713
5 ай бұрын
Just got into magic a few months ago. Only have 2 people I get to play against and it's rarely for both so usually it's just 1v1. My best deck can probably win at maybe turn 10 most of the time sometimes earlier sometimes later. I love this deck but Idk how to make it any better than it already is. You seem nice wish I could play/learn from you irl. Take it easy man appreciate the video it kinda helped a little. Oh yea also the first time I ever played both my friends they both used mana web and defense grid against me and I didn't even know what the cards did. They both said they took the cards out but then put them in before we played. Made me feel like I didn't get to play the game at all. Still though I tried and learned and got further than I thought I could.
@MomirsLabTech
11 ай бұрын
First off i want to say that I appreciate the video and all of the thought processes being framed towards new players. There are a lot of resources out there that simply glaze over these points with an assumption that the viewer has already been playing for years, and that is not always the case. With that being said, I offer my opinion on the greater topic of power level. There will never be a great way to objectively look at commander deck power level, because there are way too many variables at play. The numeric scale is worthless, because it is entirely subjective. Everyone will have a different opinion on what deck is what number and why. The broad "casual, low power, mid power, and high power" labels arent much better, in that they are still pretty subjective even when considering what turn you goldfish a win at. Goldfishing alone doesnt consider deck redundencies, different permutations that can lead to similar or better results, the pod composition, the gameplay dynamic of each individual game, the cards your opponents are playing that can inadvertently accelerate your gameplan, etc. A better approach to the whole discussion would be for everyone at the table to be honest about gameplay intent. Are they trying to hangout and do wacky stuff while letting everyone do their decks thing, are they trying to grind out a fun interactive game which will have back and forth play and ultimately come to a close in a reasonable amount of time (where every player may or may not get to do their thing), or are they simply trying to win as quickly as possible by any means necessary? With the agreed upon intent of the pod set none of the other variables like individual card choices, the decks goldfish win turn, subjectively applied power level number, etc really matter. As long as everyone is honest on intent then no one is going to bring a hyper tuned cedh deck to a casual game, because that would be dishonest. Dishonesty of gameplay intent is why the term "pubstomping" even exists. People who pubstomp are being dishonest about their intent for the game, and really need to win against people playing in an entirely different way to feel validated (probably because they cant win in a fair fight). I think this is one of the reasons that cedh is starting to gain popularity, because at the very least everyone has agreed upon gameplay intent (regardless of what deck people brought to the table). Keep making great content and much love man ❤
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
I feel like goldfishing is a very solid way to test redundancies. If your deck consistently wins turn 7-8 you have solid redundancy’s and the deck works. When I say goldfish at turn 7 I’m talking several playtests 10 at minimum. From there you can test the deck and find out if it needs more removal/interaction but, at least you know your strategy is solid if that makes sense. I definitely see your point but goldfishing is the best way a player can individually accurately test a decks power level 90% of the time. I 100% agree having a proactive conversation before hand is definitely the way but honestly a lot of players don’t know the right questions to ask they all blindly say my decks a 7 and run it. I definitely agree with a lot of what you’re saying and I appreciate the love 😁
@Gleebusaz
11 ай бұрын
Shoutout to DeckTeck for all the good content
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
You’re the man!
@hanschristopherson8056
11 ай бұрын
Great video probably the best power level discussion video I’ve seen
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Hell yea I appreciate it!
@johnrinka2904
10 ай бұрын
Don’t be ruthless it’s key when playing against someone not as experienced. My wife wouldn’t be still playing if I played to my outs against her
@RLMTrey
10 ай бұрын
Gotta find the healthy balance of playing decks new players can compete against and, every now and then, showing them the meaning of true power. Gotta play the good decks against them sometimes so they can learn and grow from seeing those decks play out.
@kanemurray3790
10 ай бұрын
This makes sense, I just told mine to get good. Now she only plays if we have other players and only targets me.
@michellegranada5399
3 ай бұрын
Facts. My mom quit playing because my dad always stomped her and was the only person to play with.
@8Smoker8
2 ай бұрын
it's hard especially when other players are in an arms race and don't recognize you have more experience. Really makes me wanna win, and I do xD with decks that barely run any of the top tier staples.
@quarantanegaming3589
11 ай бұрын
I played a lot in high school (2003-2006) but it was only standard, I learned commander just about two years ago so I'm still getting the hang of commander. My first commander deck was built in a similar fashion to my favorite standard deck, and I quickly learned that strategy doesn't work in a multiplayer format. Since then I believe I've gotten better and have built two decks that I feel are decent, but i have no idea how to rate the power level, this video is a very interesting take and I appreciate it.
@MetaLibanez1
11 ай бұрын
That's wild. I played briefly in high school 2002-2005 and then just started playing mtg/commander about 3 months ago for the first time in close to 20 years. I've already got 6 decks and a couple of precons and I'm starting to eye off a build for #7 lol.
@zacharyjoy8724
11 ай бұрын
Just out of curiosity, what’s your first EDH deck? I’m always curious to know what sorts of decks people build. Especially if they don’t start with a precon.
@MetaLibanez1
11 ай бұрын
@@zacharyjoy8724 I built a mono white mondrak tokens/treasures deck. Then I built yuriko, ghyrson starn, braids arisen nightmare, upgrade the shit out of clavileño and just built owen Grady + blue loyal raptor.
@zacharyjoy8724
11 ай бұрын
@@MetaLibanez1 Nice! I go by the self-appointed nickname “Mister Precon” at my store, because that’s what I usually play. Most of my collection is unmodified, but I have a few that are.
@MetaLibanez1
11 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with a good precon! The four new ones from lost caverns are all excellent. And the enchantments one from commander masters is really good out of the box as well. The thing that bothers me most about precons most of the time is the mana base. But generally if everyone is playing precons or similar levels, the games are fun and even.@@zacharyjoy8724
@alexanderm.9674
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your awesome content. My son and I are just getting into Magic. What is “gold fishing”? I totally sound like a newbie, which I am. 😂
@Hysteria19
11 ай бұрын
You have to keep in mind that when you goldfish a CEDH deck, you can normally find a win turn 1-3 for turbo decks and around 3-5 for most other decks. The reason that CEDH games go to turn 6 ish on average is because there is a lot of interaction in the games so it’s unrealistic to compare tournament average turns where there is interaction with straight gold fishing a deck since gold fishing doesn’t usually account for other player interaction
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
I was comparing people saying their casual games on average end before turn 7. I still stand by if your casual decks are wining turn 4-5 you’re nearing cedh at that point. I go on to say later in the video if you’re goldfishing turn 7 with your casual decks you can expect to win around turn 10 due to interaction. 😁
@BisyBackson365
11 ай бұрын
Love the game theory lately!!!
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate it!
@iliya1933
10 ай бұрын
As a disclaimer, I played MTGA for about a year and a half or so when it launched and hadn’t played any more Magic until summer of 2023 when some of my friends got me to try commander (which I’m loving, by the way). However, I’m interested in homebrewing decks, and I want to make sure that I don’t go overboard and start making or using decks that are too powerful. For the record, I’m not interested in making decks that cost more than $100, so I’m not going to be running a bunch of expensive, crazy powerful cards. With all that said, I have two questions after watching your video. 1) What is goldfishing? 2) I still don’t really know how to rate my power level; are the power levels “casual” and “pub stomping?” I don’t know how to decide whether my deck is too strong on average compared to them other than if I’m regularly winning or if I’m winning and the games aren’t close. How do I get an idea of a more specific power level from my deck other than “casual” and “pub stomping” to compare to their decks?
@martinolsen7183
10 ай бұрын
Super cool video. I have a favor to ask of you Caleb. Could you make a video on how to goldfish? My thoughts are: do i assume no removal? Do i assume no blockers? Do i assume i never leave blockers up, never use my own removal? A boardwipe never happens etc? Or do i pretend i have to deal with something on turn 6 or what ever? Thx
@martinolsen7183
10 ай бұрын
Also - how do i do this with a clone deck (i clone my opponents things more often than not). Or a “play your opponents stuff”-deck?
@animebrezel1272
11 ай бұрын
I love how i just build my decks with stuff i find in my bulk and it just works/wins some times I love to say, lets play weak commander decks, as this also shows who wins because of his deck or because of his skills
@Velo65359
11 ай бұрын
His deck techs realy help me to understand the commanders
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
@ohlookaflower.5961
10 ай бұрын
Awesome video! The one thing that is a little hard here to evaluate is control decks, as those intend to win slower and are very hard to goldfish imo.
@decktechsfordecks
10 ай бұрын
That’s very true! Which could be a whole video on its own haha. I’ve also found goad/theft decks are extremely hard to evaluate by goldfishing. The only thing I will say is. Sense I’ve gold fished so many decks so often you do kind of get a knack for where your board state should be and if you’re keeping up value wise but that’s really all goldfishing does for you in those scenarios!
@judahjeremydelrio7886
10 ай бұрын
@DechTecksForDecks what power level would you say your newest Dino deck is at? I just got into the game and I got pantlaza, put 500 dollars into the deck, but when I goldfish I typically win around turn 9. It feels to also for the money spent. I have tutors and other stuff but it takes a while to ramp. I need help!
@olcar7799
7 ай бұрын
As a fellow dinosaurs player with pantlaza as a commander, Etali, primal conqueror can really help, when you pay the 9-10 to transform it…it gets indestructible and does Toxic damage, Akroma’s will that is in the precon is an amazing finish card. Also, Huatli Poet of unity is a nice creature, when it is transform into a saga, the saga level 4 is a finisher (gives double strike and trample to your dinosaurs). Invasion of Ikora also useful, it’s a tutor or graveyard recursion… it »s a battle… when it is transformed on your field 8-8 dinosaurs that allow you to assign damage of your non human creature… as if they are not blocked. Hope that helps. It is a fun deck that is a bit slow but can pop off like crazy if the game stretches… hard to finish games early… almost impossible Im still a new player (Ixilan is my first set and dinosaurs is the reason I got the commander 4 pack) Enjoy!
@MyTaint
11 ай бұрын
What is goldfish? Never heard the term till this video so an explanation b4 I heard it 9 times would help me understand this whole video better?
@WIBYTIEDH
6 ай бұрын
There's a site called MTGGoldfish where you can playtest your decks. I assume that's what he was referring to
@ullisahm6527
11 ай бұрын
Thx for the video and the advice! One question: to which life count do you goldfish your deck? 20 or 40?
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
40 for sure 😁
@thriftypsgr
11 ай бұрын
What do you mean by gold fishing? I know that you can play a few solitaire style rounds but how do you account for removal and interaction.
@jedbex7070
8 ай бұрын
How do you goldfish effectively? I don’t understand how to think through turns to understand if I’ll win by turn 7 or if I’ll stall out. I feel like I’m more confused (not saying that is your fault I loved the video)
@mateumitjans5281
11 ай бұрын
This is the best video i have seen about power level. I do think about telling everyone how your deck works so they can have a chance at stopping you and being fair. What i didn't know was the concept of goldfishing and how to use it to check the consistency of a deck and how it will work against real people. Also i like the ideas you give to help new players and keep the game fun for everyone at the table. (Sorry if my english is not perfect. It's not my first lenguage) Great video as always! Nice to see new type of content here!
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed!
@Isozaki_San
11 ай бұрын
Quick question. When you say "goldfish a win at turn 7" does that mean i should be winning on turn 7, or should i be close to winning on turn 7? That seems a little fast for a casual game to me.
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Yes the majority of the lists on my channel can goldfish a turn 7 win using pure synergy and no fast mana. There’s obviously some exceptions like extreme budget lists or goad lists that need to utilized opponents decks to win the game. This means in an actual game the decks tend to win turn 8-10 sense People play interaction.
@natedunbar3580
11 ай бұрын
@decktechsfordecks OK, but I'm still kinda confused. By turn 7, do we mean that I am removing a player from the game/ "going nuclear"? Or is it referring to killing all 3 of my opponents? I love the video BTW. This is the only concept I didn't find 100% clear
@decktechsfordecks
10 ай бұрын
That will very deck to deck. I usually prefer all 3 players dead but will easily settle for at least 2 dead sense we can probably count on peoples life totals getting lowered throughout the game. Another exception is voltron specifically without red sense you don’t have access to extra combat steps it can be pretty hard to goldfish a turn 7 sense you can only kill one player a turn depending on the deck. The main thing you want to ask yourself is if you have a board state so dominating your opponents are 100% dead the next turn or that turn. This will ensure the gameplan of the deck works and you can tweak the interaction pieces from there. Keep in mind there’s some archetypes that this will just not work for, such as stax, goad, and heavy control lists but honestly in casual those lists aren’t the norm. I hope this helped 😁
@TheStevetree
10 ай бұрын
I play a mono black reanimator deck. Dump big boys with hateful abilities in the yard, cheat them into play. No infinites allowed in the play group. The deck is strong but has yet to put up any wins, any advice?
@philnagle9024
11 ай бұрын
Very good commander advice
@mietto
10 ай бұрын
Very nice video, you really get the idea of a casual play. I wish those ideas were a fundamental part of the RC mindset, but I don't think they are, tbh, which is very unfortunate.
@ylygylygynda
10 ай бұрын
I wanted a deck that cares about rolling dice, I made one. Then it sucked so hard that I had to weed out these precious “7 mana, roll a D20” cards from D&D set :D Still low power, but I love how silly it is.
@charliemarlow647
10 ай бұрын
Regarding combos, I like to have a sideboard card or two that I can switch in if a combo piece isn't warranted at a particular table :) Easy way to quickly tweak your deck's power level a bit.
@Zambedos
11 ай бұрын
When you're goldfishing to go for the win at turn 7 do you still slow down to hold up interaction or just full solitaire see how fast you can execute your wincon?
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Full solitaire. Then once you know the gameplan is solid it’s easy to go back through and add extra interaction if you need it.
@FightinTheGorlax
11 ай бұрын
What would you recommend for someone who wants to encourage their group to build at higher power levels? I have been tuning all of my decks down to the power level of my playgroup, but a lot of the time it just kinda feels bad to work super hard on a deck just to find out it mows down your playgroup and is essentially unplayable because of it.
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
I’d pitch it to them like that. Also add in I think it be fun if we all had a high powered deck that way at the end of the night we can get a quick game in. If price is the issue I’d introduce them to the magical world of proxies.
@FightinTheGorlax
11 ай бұрын
@@decktechsfordecks I use proxies myself, mostly lands, but my playgroup has expressed interest in them before. I think I'm going to set up a night with my playgroup where I show them how to use MPC fill and get a group order going. Thanks for the advice!
@amaized
10 ай бұрын
i'm kind of new.. what do you mean by "goldfish it"?
@sheaandrus-oak6546
9 ай бұрын
Price wise what should a power level 7/8 look like new to commander but by no means new to magic so I've got a lot of high priced cards
@ominousanonymous
7 ай бұрын
Price doesn't determine because there are a lot of budget decks: Godo, bandit warlord for example.
@kilteddwarf
10 ай бұрын
The most important thing: it must fit to the play group… mine is from: look at this funny deck every card has a hat on it up to turn 3 i have endless mana and can tutor my library… if you play a cedh deck casually in a edh pod, it’s often fine…
@davidk7654
11 ай бұрын
What's your thoughts on the doctor who commander's starter decks??
@NateFinch
11 ай бұрын
The doctor who precons are barely decks. They're not really built to be played as a deck, it's more like they took all the cards from a doctor who set, jammed them into 4 decks, based loosely on theme, and called it a day. The decks are good value for the price, so I would recommend them if you want several of the more expensive cards... But I wouldn't recommend playing them like a normal precon.
@TheBlindEternities
10 ай бұрын
Do you consider lotus petal or dark ritual fast mana?
@decktechsfordecks
10 ай бұрын
That’s a very grey area where intent matters. If you’re trying to dark ritual to cast your combo pieces faster not casual. If you just want to cast your 8 mana commander faster I find that’s a lot more excusable if that makes sense.
@michaelroach301
11 ай бұрын
What’s goldfishing? I have some pretty optimised decks but very rarely win turn 7 or before
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
It’s playing solitaire with your deck. Meaning completely uninteracted with if you’re just allowed to do the thing you win turn 7. This means in an actual game you’ll be closer to turn 8-10
@michaelroach301
11 ай бұрын
Ah cool. Never thought about trying this but i like it. Loving the videos too man, keep it up
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Hell yea I appreciate that! Will do 💪
@Oz__MTG
Ай бұрын
Well, I know for sure that in a match where everyone is running precons or decks that aren’t optimized at all and they state that, there would be no reason to bring out high power or cedh decks to completely annihilate them. Knowing damn right that you’ll win and they won’t stand a chance.
@Guzthraka
11 ай бұрын
This is something I have been struggling with recently. I have some mates who just got into Magic and my decks seem to be outclassing them on every level without truly understanding the why. When I started EDH I had some good mates of mine who were running some optimised decks which have skewed my understanding of the power levels in the game. Been trying to help my new player mates, but they shut down once a half-decent combo gets played that doesn't even win a game. Very hard balance.
@NateFinch
11 ай бұрын
I have similar problems. My suggestion is to play decks with intentionally difficult win conditions. That way you get to play the fun powerful cards, but you're not just craterhoofing for the win. I have a Door to Nothingness deck that I won't let win with anything but Dooring everyone. I have some decks that seem fun but that I can never make "work" as well as I hope, like Ob Nixilis Captive Kingpin. So I play that against them, too. Or I see what deck they're playing and intentionally pick a deck I know is weak against that deck. I also have some mostly unmodified precons that I play against them.
@kj61768
4 күн бұрын
Wait then would u say the curiosity combo with Niv is cEDH then
@mdg456
11 ай бұрын
Im usually on the back end if the group lol, i am not that good at deck building, but i have been learning Edit after finishing the vid: legit the strongest deck ive made is mono green dino's (Galtra, Stampede Tyrant), and according to a couple of the group ive played with, is that for its price ($457.21 according to archidekt) my deck is quite strong (was news to me), and i did enjoy building the deck i just didnt realise how bad it can pop off until i took a 20 minute turn (didnt even know the deck was capable of it until it happened), kinda learned that the deck was above casual after that game
@MetaLibanez1
11 ай бұрын
I win more often than i would like in my playgroup. Obviously its great to win but in our playgroup there is a player who plays krenko, slivers, edgar markov constantly and i felt like i needed to make better decks to compete. But our other two players are 1. Prefers mid power janky strats and 2. More restricted by budget and mostly plays the same deck each week. Ive built a couple of decks to try and be at a lower power level and also upgraded one of the new precons and ive encouraged the tribal player to build some lower powered stuff since he has the biggest collection out of all of us. I try to find good cards and 2 card combos for the budget player to encourage him to power up his deck a bit. Its a constant balance to try and get everyone around the same level but we still have fun.
@The_Dying_Rose
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the helpful video! I run an mtg club at my school and I keep winning and have been wondering if it's just that I understand the decks better or if it's that the commander decks ar completely unbalanced. I run Nekusar, first sliver/overlord, Slimefoot & Squee, and Saruman army upgraded precon
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Hell yea I’m glad you got something from the video! 😊
@Pariux
10 ай бұрын
1:46 You realize this is based off of other cedh decks right? Of course youre gonna win around turn 6 if you're facing a higher power level. If I were to bring my cedh deck to a casual table, I can easily win around turns 3-4. That's why basing it off of the turn you win isn't a good way to see how strong your deck is.
@decktechsfordecks
10 ай бұрын
It really is. If you’re gold-fishing anywhere between 2-3 it’s a cedh viable deck even 4-5 is when high control cEDH decks tend to win while goldfishing. So if you have a casual deck that is goldfishing turn 5 you’re either trying to pub stomp or your playgroup plays fringe cedh/high power casual. The goal of the video is so that an individual can judge the power level of their deck and goldfishing is probably one of the best ways to do that. It shows the highest potential of the deck because no one is interacting with it. I got the turn 7 average from experience and the lists I build on the channel. I use 0 fast mana and try to focus hard on high synergy and most of the lists end up at that 7 turn goldfish. So if someones goldfishing a 6 or 8 consistently it’s pretty close to high synergy casual but anything past 8 is either a high control list or dipping into lower power decks.
@tcgmetaslayer4202
11 ай бұрын
Most of my decks are a 6.9 but I do have decks with power levels over 5000 💪🏻
@beaublanding6940
11 ай бұрын
Great vid
@Bringolf
11 ай бұрын
I use MTG Forge to decktest, the bots are good enough with basic removal to truely test how strong a deck is. The most useful part is you can quickly see which cards are a bit useless and which combos just pop off and cause instant wins. Very helpful as a new player that can only play in person one a month.
@brendenleal7829
11 ай бұрын
I’m sorry I’m still fairly new to all this what does goldfish your deck mean
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Playing your deck without any opponents to see how fast it can win without being interacted with. Moxfield is an amazing tool to goldfish your deck 😁
@theonewiththename5867
11 ай бұрын
I am so unfamiliar with magic culture 😂 ive been playing for a couple years but still don't know alot of the stuff you covered in this video
@Kaador
11 ай бұрын
Ja Grüße über den großen Teich, Bartmann!
@Kaador
11 ай бұрын
ps: Zaxara is best :-)
@griff_mtg6311
11 ай бұрын
I remember being a pioneer in my local area for EDH, about 2009 ish. It was such a blast. No rule 0. No crying about power level. Everyone knew to expect to get your butt kicked or dish out Ls.
@liberty2087
11 ай бұрын
To be fair, the types of cards being designed in 2009 were a lot different than cards now, and Commander was even more casual and unexplored. No dockside extortionist, no fierce guardianship, no Thassa’s oracle, no Urza or Yuriko or Lathril or Najeela or partner commanders, no smothering tithe…the list goes on. Rule 0 isn’t about “crying,” it’s about making sure people are on the same page about the game they’re trying to play, whether it’s precons or CEDH or in between.
@zulkhaireesulaiman8575
11 ай бұрын
What does he mean by goldfish? I'm so lost.
@TiltedSquare
11 ай бұрын
Hey my mono white angel deck needs all the fast mana it can get. 😭
@thriftypsgr
11 ай бұрын
I used to run a lot of infinite combos and I still have the Shalai and Hallar deck but I rarely play it because it is just not fun.
@grumpycroc
11 ай бұрын
I'm known as one of the stronger players in my LGs and playgroup, and I do in fact "sandbag" in games sometimes. I don't need to win every game and its more fun for the pod in general! More importantly, you don't end up becoming that guy that nobody wants to play with.
@christophercombs7561
11 ай бұрын
Im the most knowledgeable player in my play group but my win rate is mid because i usually get ganged up on if i have an explosive start or if i play what my group percieves as a strong commander (like Gargos the Vicious Watcher jn a mono green only hydra tribal deck)
@8Smoker8
2 ай бұрын
Eh I think I am a bit too ruthless as the most experienced player in my playgroup. In my defense, some of the other players are in a bit of an arms race, and wouldn't really recognize experience as the reason for above average wins.
@nicholasarosemena3829
10 ай бұрын
what is gold fishing
@jeffreyseamons5514
10 ай бұрын
What is goldfishing?
@danielhamilton3496
11 ай бұрын
Hey man. I think you have a really good personality for contect creation. I hope you stick to it.
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Thank you I really appreciate it!
@Kaador
11 ай бұрын
Acatually I removed Freed from the real and Pemmins-Aura from my beloved Zaxi-Deck because of even that: To strong, to boring too. You know one infinity? You know them all...
@power_SERG
6 ай бұрын
I never win in my games with my buddies. The only times I've won is cause my buddies underestimate my presence and they end up killing each other to the point that I'm fighting 1v1 against weakened players. Also, we play with 20hp cause my group believes that 40hp takes too long. I do play a lot of white and red stuff though, and my Forces of the Imperium deck which is a pre-con.
@NateFinch
11 ай бұрын
I like all the advice here, but I feel like you went off on a tangent and the only actual answer to the thesis of the video is "you should goldfish by turn 7". To be fair, I think that's a valid step, but I dont think its the only step. I also think that you dont need to deal 120 damage by turn 7. Its probebly more like 90. Assume everyone has taken *some* damage by the other players. I think there needs to be a deck building component in here, though. Like, if you win hy turn 7 but you don't have any removal or card draw, you'll be hosed by the first combo or board lock piece someone drops, or by the first board wipe that coeans you out. I think that's where a lot of newer players fall down. Their deck may goldfish by turn 8, but if they face interaction or pillow forts, they just fall over.
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
The main thing that goldfishing does is prove the deck/concept of a deck works. From there playing is definitely the best way to upgrade/test decks. If the core of the deck is solid it’s easier to upgrade it and add interaction. Players can also notice more clearly oh shit he destroyed my key pieces and that shut the deck down I need more protection/recursion.
@grizzlyreaper7477
10 ай бұрын
I think we need to stop comparing casual to CEDH, whether a deck is casual or CEDH has more to do with how it was built, then it's power level. Specifically, everyone talks speed. My Vaelomachus of Lorehold deck is CEDH. I would never play it at a casual pod. Wins turn 8-12 usually. The whole deck is extra combats and land destruction. The turn it wins says nothing. I also have a very powerful mono-white planes walker deck that wins turn 12-16. Runs 18 board wipes, humility, etc. It's a casual deck.
@myrical4147
11 ай бұрын
The hardest part about edh is and will always be the social aspect. Building decks? Easy. Figuring out everybody's decks power level to make sure the games you play are balanced with the amount of interaction and tutors you run? Near impossible. I've found just telling everybody if you win with combos or not at the beginning.
@movieguy1700
10 ай бұрын
I got a friend who just got into the game and has no concept of etiquette as he will vindicate my 3rd land
@NovoxPrayer
10 ай бұрын
Goldfishing?
@mrgarneau4895
11 ай бұрын
I feel like you need to have a conversation beforehand. Ask what is your deck trying to do, and what turn it attempts to accomplish it by
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
That’s definitely 100% the way to do it especially if you’re playing with complete strangers. Asking what turn the deck try’s to win is way more productive than asking a decks power level. 😊
@mrgarneau4895
11 ай бұрын
@@decktechsfordecks every deck is a 7 anyways, lol.
@sheaandrus-oak6546
9 ай бұрын
Sol ring the most expensive card in magic if it wasn't re-printed 3000 times
@Dmat97861
11 ай бұрын
You dont really discuss slower strategies such as control or stax decks
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
That’s where the nuance comes in for sure. It could almost be it’s own video haha. I feel like this will work for 90% of players. Goad decks fall into the same category they are super hard to goldfish.
@deezcollectibles
8 ай бұрын
I don’t believe in either casual or cedh. Bring your best decks because you can’t get better unless you play the against best.
@davidk7654
11 ай бұрын
I'm just picking up relearning magic the gathering
@morrius0757
11 ай бұрын
I definitely believe your deck should be popping off at turn 7, but consistently winning? no. From my experience "though it could just be do to my areas LGS meta", most games I've played are won turn 8 to 9 with the occasional turn 7 and rarely turn 6 "6 usually due to lucky draws going into infinite damage/mill combos".
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
When I talk about the turn 7 wins I’m referring to the turn you should win while goldfishing not the turn you should win in a game vs real players 😁
@Pawsk
8 ай бұрын
What the fuck is gold fishing? Am I gold fishing now? Should i stop?
@LDIndustries
11 ай бұрын
2 card Infinites are ok in casual in my opinion as long as you don’t really have tutors and none of the pieces are in the command zone.
@theGENERALlee00
10 ай бұрын
What the hell is goldfishing
@reversalwizrd7651
10 ай бұрын
I mean deck is a 7(plus 3) but that still makes it a 7 lol
@grahamramsay4226
11 ай бұрын
The fuck is golf fishing
@amberbell532
11 ай бұрын
Algorithm
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Hell yea!
@MatthewDAmico94
11 ай бұрын
What is goldfishing? Also pubstomping? Lol.
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
Goldfishing is when you play against yourself to see how fast you can get a win without interaction. Moxfield is an amazing way to goldfish a deck. 😁 Pub stomping is when someone brings a highly tuned deck vs Precon decks haha
@vladdracula2643
11 ай бұрын
I will always bring the most ridiculous Etali deck I can, I will do my best to win turn 4. Make a better deck or stay mad.
@decktechsfordecks
11 ай бұрын
As long as you’re playing with people that have the same mindset there’s no problem with that 😁
@vladdracula2643
11 ай бұрын
@@decktechsfordecks No one's happy when the Dino happens, but to be fair to me I'm never happy when Never Winter Hydra hits the field.
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