Getting the right height to throne and drums makes things so much easier to play.
@hombreenojado
6 жыл бұрын
Jojo Mayer also plays "off" heel up. In fact his DVD has an entire section on that method and beater bury versus off.
@rowancooke8378
6 жыл бұрын
This guy has that ability to demonstrate and explain that people just can really try to relate too..I've seen alot of vids and this is one of the best for inspiring players..it's all there for begginers and for advanced players to take ideas from
@robs639
8 жыл бұрын
I've been a pro player for almost 40 years and I'm still learning. These videos are so valuable and entertaining.
@RockinRex66
8 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite things about your videos is how you typically give examples of other great drummers that you've listened to or recommend for each topic. Having these examples gives me a way to further delve into the finer aspects of these topics after finishing one of your videos. To me, that alone is one of the greatest educational tools you provide. Thanks for your hard work!
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
:)
@skipperry63
8 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant approach to drumming. I also read "Drawing on the right side of the brain" because I'm a dominant left brained- something you recommended. Thanks!
@cspannvo
5 жыл бұрын
You are very good. Great lessons!
@tacticaljackson
Жыл бұрын
I am in awe at the lack of subs you have compared to some other drum-tubers. Your content is top tier, and I sincerely appreciate all the knowledge you share.
@jhardycarroll
5 жыл бұрын
With those little bass drums, it's fun to play with the quarter note by letting the beater bounce and then muting it. Also leaning in and changing the bass drum pitch. It's really hard to pull off consistently.
@bmillerdrums
4 жыл бұрын
I was taught by imo the best teacher I’ve had Louie Marino for 14 yrs RIP. But he showed me that heel down Like you said took a lot of work but he only recommended it for jazz basically, where there really isn’t A lot of heavy bottom work. Compared to rock or funk etc.. basically that technique is really for softer playing a dynamic really. For anything else really you need your entire leg to execute what are you trying to do and the control also. Looking at it basically in physics you have so much more leverage from your hip needed for music that requires that sound. You can only get so much leverage from lifting your foot up, which can’t be done but I tried it it’s a bitch to condition that for any other style then jazz or Latin. Most jazz is a subtle kick besides the occasional accent, but he told me the 4 on the floor jazz is usually very quiet and undetected. Heal up offers just so many more possibilities specially in terms of triplets and 16th note triplets.. Guys that do heel down only Have shins of steel
@dellabox
7 жыл бұрын
Drummers who have never practiced heel down often lack calf muscle control. I'm not in favor of heel down, but I am in favor of having the ability as it is important to good heel up ability. I think this should have been mentioned in the video. Other than that, I'm a big fan of the 80/20 Drummer! Another great video talking about advanced concepts!
@JoshuaWillis89
5 жыл бұрын
I already play hi-hat heel-up, so kick drum heel-up makes me feel like I’m gonna topple over.
@andreyaek2266
4 жыл бұрын
Had the exact same problem until recently! Got a great lesson from my brother who is a much better drummer than I am which is already helping a lot. Here’s the gist of it: 1: Heel up technique just means the force comes in part from the whole foot including the heel lifting up to prepare for the stroke. Unlike heel down where the heel remains planted and the all the force comes from the muscles that swivel the foot around the ankle. Heel up does *not* mean the heel has to be lifted off the ground at all times. I used to play the hat foot with my toes constantly pointing downwards and the heel lifted above them, which led to balance issues like yours. I now keep my left foot in a more relaxed position, toes pointing forwards or slightly up when resting on the pedal, and the heel comes all the way down to rest on the heel plate between strokes, only lifting to prepare for a hit. Also, when playing open-close (disco or smth) patterns on the hat, I no longer use heel up to open the hat for the stick strokes, I simply alternate between lifting the toes to open and lifting the heel to close. These changes helped more than anything to remove the balance problem, and also now allow me better dynamic control of the hat, since the leg and foot muscles can work better together. 2: The right foot gets a similar deal, heel doesn’t have to lift up very high! It feels different because the kick has bounce to it and the hat usually does not (only when you splash the hat from the foot), but it’s the same principle. This lesson has great advice on it. For me it also helped to move my foot back a little on the pedal, more like he’s saying JoJo does. But I expect that’s personal. 3: Also like he said, find the right throne height. After making these adjustments I’m less sensitive to it but it’s still super helpful. 4: Pay attention to how you sit, to the tilt of your pelvis. If you find yourself tilting back, like you’re wanting to lean your torso back, you’re probably in trouble. Try to tilt forwards to put your torso closer to the cymbals, and if it feels awkward, revisit the above advice and see what you find. Look at his posture in the video, he’s always sitting straight up or very slightly leaned forward. I have built a very bad habit around this and thinking about it helps me a lot. Hope that’s helpful to you like it’s been for me, good luck!
@gabepenn7386
4 жыл бұрын
not really, you have a mind block..you balance in the throne
@almostskater3210
4 жыл бұрын
@@gabepenn7386 It isn't a mind block. He needs to learn the balance required to play like that; his body needs to unconsciously learn when and how to shift weight to retain stability.
@vickytwenty8
7 жыл бұрын
This guy is so nice 😊
@manuelgchapajr2000
5 жыл бұрын
Cool Lesson
@azraygun
8 жыл бұрын
Cool and thank you "I dig the drumming 'and the teaching techniques..."
@5hinobiGaijin
4 жыл бұрын
I don't drum, but I enjoy watching these instuctionals from a gearhead/production angle.
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
Accidentally removed the comment about praise breaks. (The "remove" button is close to the "reply" button, unfortunately.) Anyway, praise breaks are definitely on the list:)
@nicholasbonds294
8 жыл бұрын
yes thank you nate.
@LysgaardLightning
8 жыл бұрын
+The 80/20 Drummer Great lesson. Its funny, I always had issues with my right foot, I can do fast doubles and play fast and slow beats complex beats, iI make a living from playing drums, but when it comes to playing more than 2 fast strokes, my foot/leg just freezes and tence up. I have bin practicing my foot tech. for hours and hours each day this year, because i couldn't except it any more, Heel up, heel down, and in between. But for some reason i just see no improvement, well very little at least. My hands are at a very high level, but my right foot just wont seem to improve, it weird man, Do you think some people just can't get quick controlled feet?, i have bin working more on my feet than my hands, and my hands don't really need to get faster, only maintained.
@ns81
8 жыл бұрын
+Kristoffer Lysgaard Ⓥ (Pickup Sticks) hey man I wanted to comment on this but realized I'm out of my depth. If you send me a video at 8020drummer@gmail.com I can tell you if there are any obvious technical hitches...
@LysgaardLightning
8 жыл бұрын
Hey Nate, Maybe I will do that. It does seem to me, also with my students that some just have good feet from the beginning while others need to work crazy hard for it, well, we all need to practice many hours but you know what i mean?
@DanDjembe
7 жыл бұрын
everything you do is good
@paradidd
8 жыл бұрын
Gotta give Roy Haynes props on the bass drum Ninja stuff too! ;) Nice video dude!
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
+1
@HongKongEclectic
5 жыл бұрын
I started learning in the mid 90s, and was taught to play heel-down, which I’ve never deviated from. I think it really hindered me, but I feel too old and jaded now to learn a different way.
@JoaquinCorreaDrums
4 жыл бұрын
Heel down gives you tons more stability and you get more control at softerr dynamic levels. You could still learn heel up and use both. I use both depending on the situation, no biggie.
@ThomasistheTwin
4 жыл бұрын
Heel up, have the hip and knee aligned and have the knee behind the ankle an inch or two. Heel down slide the thrown back an inch or two. Exact placement depends on your proportions. I sit on the edge of the thrown to allow my legs move more freely as seen in the Bernie Perdue video on posture.
@starfox5467
8 жыл бұрын
Great video. I was self taught in the beginning and just naturally adopted a heel up technique. Had several teachers that were adamant about heel down technique. Did that for years and now find myself gravitating toward heel up again. I feel guilty-like I'm cheating or something. Honestly, it feels like after years of heel down there is nothing I can't do heel up. Maybe that was the point, but I don't understand why my formal training was so adamant about heel down. Only reason I started "cheating" is cuz I see so many players I admire playing heel up-or at least mixing both techniques (which I guess is probably what I'm really doing). I do tend to feel a little unbalanced sometimes (i guess that's where the perseverance comes in) but no less clean, like you said. Anyway, thanks for another great lesson.
@magohipnosis
8 жыл бұрын
If it works for you, go ahead. Just make sure you're playing clean and that you are able to control dynamics.
@KeepItReal43000
8 жыл бұрын
great lessons and advices ! What kind of Hi-Hat do you have please ? thxxxx :)
@kacperiwomatuszewski5395
8 жыл бұрын
Hey, what's the model of hihat you're playing? It sounds beautiful!
@schiffwasright
6 жыл бұрын
On my 16” bass drum I’m getting a lot of unwanted bounce. How can I prevent this? Does the fuzzy beater help
@Chiroman527
4 жыл бұрын
Also, allow me to say, I just subsribed to the channel. Good practical and down to earth Vids of drum instruction.
@PartyMartyDrums
4 жыл бұрын
PLAY BOTH. Being good at both has it's uses.
@TruthAndMoreTruth
5 жыл бұрын
Throne height is really important for those using electric kits. These kits can be really compact, it's easy to have the throne set too low. Just look at the kits set up at the local music store, they're almost always set up way to low.
@jaylotz5901
8 жыл бұрын
How come you bury the beater? Also I just bought an 18" this summer and am waiting for my fuzzy beater in the mail, pretty excited to try it. One exercise I like to do for myself is just do triplets with the hi hat and bass drum kind of Bonham good times bad times style (ts-boom-boom ts-boom-boom).
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
Do you! Experiment! I checked out a lot of Marcus Gilmore, justin brown, Greg Hutchinson, Brian blade, and Clarence penn, so my kick drum style was heavily influenced by those guys:)
@richardtemple9292
8 жыл бұрын
Nate what snare heads are you using??
@sevenfacecomplex
8 жыл бұрын
I think fast twitch comes from heel down after heel up is super inborn. most say that's when the control comes . like Steve Smith doing excersise with heel down heel up N rocking back N forth. eventually you developed Sumthing inbetween. flat foot I call it
@Benbrattondrums
4 жыл бұрын
Man I’d love to actually see your foot/seat height! I’m 6’3 and having a hell of a time trying to transition to heel up! Would appreciate your help on this topic a lot
@merdenoms1
5 жыл бұрын
You are Sheldon Cooper of drummers LoL. Nice lessons
@nicolassignat6733
8 жыл бұрын
Hi dude ! Thank you so much for all the videos you've made, I'm watching all of them these days and I find them very interesting. I have an old, very old issue with kick drum in general : the loss of balance when both feet are up. I play heels up for the same reasons as yours. But there are small moments, for example when I play hi-hat on time and double-stroke kick phrases, where I don't feel stable and it's always really bothering me. One solution I've found is to have one heel down, but I really don't like to play that way (quickly painful and flabby play). Do you know what I mean ? Would you have a little advice ?
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
+Nicolas Signat Two things. Well, three really. But two at first. One - make sure your throne doesn't sway;) Two - memorize all the most common "footwork" you're going to be using, and it will just kind of start to "make sense" as the muscle memory kicks in. I don't recommend playing one foot one way, one the other because it's needlessly complex. Make the jump, get used to what feels logical (this Sunday's video is going to deal in part with foot phrasing), and be patient!
@nicolassignat6733
8 жыл бұрын
+The 80/20 Drummer Thanks ! I can't wait this new video then. :)
@tripacer2005
7 жыл бұрын
he lambs wool fuzzy beater sounds deep and muffled the old soft jazz sound , but for seep and rock playing the hard felt and wood beater is better , if wood beater is used one should have a impact pad stick on the bass head , what work good for that is felt sticker for a chair leg floor guard round felt sticker of many sizes , at Wal-mart or home depot , there tuff and will last long time playing , one side peal off sticker .
@floriantuchacek4034
8 жыл бұрын
Again! 😊 very nice ideas to think of & to incorporate! Can you do me a favour and tell me, how you tune this bd? Maybe you use the tune bot... Greets and beats!
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
Good question - will have to do a vid about that. But short answer, I just use a finger in the center and make sure it's in tune with itself.
@JulianFernandez
8 жыл бұрын
+The 80/20 Drummer Would be cool a vid showing how to tune both the r&b/pop/rock kit and the bop kit! Killer channel, man! Thanks for keep sharing...
@sasquatchpatch
8 жыл бұрын
How does the position of the beater and the tension affect heel up playing? I seem to find my tension and beater position tricky to set, possibly also because I'm not familiar with making heel up my only approach. Interested to know if there's a sweet spot to feel for.
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
It rewards/requires a slightly higher spring tension. Not crazy high. I'd experiment!
@pianoworkout
8 жыл бұрын
whatever I try, the beater keeps bouncing off the head, and I get several hits when I want only one...what am I doing wrong?
@Ohm51
5 жыл бұрын
What size kick are you using? I'll bet it has a non-ported front head. The larger the kick you'll get that doubling effect, what some people call a 'trampoline' effect.. Two things (or 3 really). Remove or port the front head, but still practice playing beater off after the stroke, as opposed to burying the beater. Frankly, I've yet to master that myself, and so port my head. You can get away with burying the beater on the last stroke with a well ported resonant head. Spring tension may be tad tight also. (That sounds counter intuitive but still true.)
@ThomasistheTwin
5 жыл бұрын
Bernie Perdue does a great video on how to sit behind the drums. Your thigh should be flat so when you lift slightly at the hip then double tap at the ankle. The knee is left loose so lower leg hangs there just behind the ankle. If your too crouched it takes to much to lift your leg. If your to far away you have no leg lift control so when you engage your ankle your heel is at varying heights from the floor. There are constant adjustments in your ankles as you roll the bass. This is to compensate for inconsistent leg lifts. Small precise hip flexor contractions are key to controlling your base sound.
@noisyneil
5 жыл бұрын
do you mean bernard purdie? Bernie Perdue sounds like the sergio giorgini of drummers. lol
@Thorum13
3 жыл бұрын
Is this about playing the bass drum?
@Silvaterista
4 жыл бұрын
"You don't call the bass drum 'kick drum'. You don't kick a drum, you play it". Gary Chester.
@markpascual100
8 жыл бұрын
Just curious what base drum is that
@Ohm51
5 жыл бұрын
His kick has traditional Gretsch rods and claws, so that could be anyrhing from vintage Round Badge to Renown.
@joelbarforddrums
8 жыл бұрын
What's the Evans head equivalent to that bass drum head?
@cormacmccoy1
8 жыл бұрын
I think that's just coated ambassador, which is a g2
@cormacmccoy1
8 жыл бұрын
cool i'm wrong :D... REMO FOR LIFE!!! :P
@davidhanson888
8 жыл бұрын
bro, just wondering, how do keep your beater from bouncing? i noticed that when i use the 18", the beater bounces off when i try smash it into the head. yours doesn't. thanks for this video!
@jesuslover9199
6 жыл бұрын
Hanson its because of the beater...try to tune it down a bit and use a little muffling like a felt strip on the batter.
@tiredrummertube
4 жыл бұрын
You need to comb your fuzzy dude!... (I never thought I would say that)
@joseperez8695
8 жыл бұрын
with the foot
@donovanjones4175
Жыл бұрын
Big puffy pillow beater, that’s all you need.
@jayro3626
4 жыл бұрын
you canned do it!
@MrGoldeneagle286
8 жыл бұрын
how do you muffle your bass drum??
@8020drummer
8 жыл бұрын
+MrGoldeneagle286 In this lesson it's wide open
@doodad6754
4 жыл бұрын
While I was watching this, my cat destroyed my bass drum
@exquisitecorpse4917
3 жыл бұрын
I always see haters in Nate's comment section, but just because the guy doesn't show off doesn't mean he can't play. He nonchalantly rattles off a month's worth of practice in a 10 minute video and barely moves his hands while doing so. Padawan turn backflips....Jedi masters just wield the Force.
@8020drummer
3 жыл бұрын
aaaaaaaaaaaw shucks
@oldmaninthewoods1696
7 жыл бұрын
Never ever have i had the disrespect to kick my drums. I play my "BASS DRUM" with a pedal.
@thaidozy
7 жыл бұрын
Oldman Kick is a studio and live term, the engineer calls "kick" so the bass player doesn't get even more confused than usual. Do you use tom toms or rack toms?
@ChristopherSackett
4 жыл бұрын
@@thaidozy does tom tom or rack tom matter like how kick drum and bass drum do?
@Miguelc271086
4 жыл бұрын
Listen kids, the best one is heal up and off the drum, here is why... heal down has the problems mentioned in the video, and “muffling” the drum actually sounds horrible, it changes the pitch of the drum, believe me... you can’t tell when playing like this live, but once you step into the studio you’ll hear it, and changing habits it’s a nightmare. So learn it right
@8020drummer
4 жыл бұрын
I actually love the sound of planting the beater, but I agree you should be able to play off the drum too, and should probably learn that first
@Miguelc271086
4 жыл бұрын
The 80/20 Drummer I guess it comes down to the tuning of the drums, style and taste. Some music has this deep resonating low end to every kick, and planting the beater wouldn’t work as it would choke it. But I can see planting the beater work well in other styles. Specially when you want a short thud without resonance.
@alanduncan1980
4 жыл бұрын
I prefer to call it a bass drum, because that's what it is. I call a pedal a kick pedal though. It's quicker than saying bass drum pedal, but kick drum isn't quicker than saying bass drum. Ok, bye. I hope you enjoyed that really good comment.
@paultye1441
7 жыл бұрын
not a big fan of going from slow to fast to slow, if you think about it you are actually practicing speeding up and slowing down, it's gotta be a better approach to play an exercise , hold the time, stop and then just play it again a little faster (again holding the time)
@vacuumelite2065
4 жыл бұрын
I get what you are saying. However : the act of mindfully speeding up / slowing down, makes you really listen and synchronise limbs that are playing on the same beat. Hence no flamming, ie ; clean. :-) :-)
@SuperQdaddy
5 жыл бұрын
Those drums sound like.....t
@gabepenn7386
4 жыл бұрын
it's a BASS DRUM not a "kick" drum...in DJing the bass drum "sound" i called the kik sound,
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