Note: The modern EN417 canister is designed to a European Standard applicable to cartridges with a total capacity of between 50 ml and 1 000 ml, designed to contain liquefied petroleum gas or stabilized mixtures of liquefied petroleum gas with propadiene and/or methyl acetylene and/or di-methyl-ether or equivalent, where the pressure developed by the contents of the cartridge at 50 °C does not exceed 13,2 bar (13 atmospheres). These cylinders easily contain the pressures that result from using 80% butane / 20% propane, so it's perfectly safe to fill one with pure butane. The vapor pressure of butane is approximately 2 times lower than an 80/20 mix of butane & propane. Each canister should only be refilled 3-4 times. After that the seal can become compromised.
@14KiloWhisky
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice from 🇫🇷 😉
@billyandrew
2 жыл бұрын
I was about to ask about how often to use a cannister for refills, due to the likelihood of a seal/seam becoming compromised. I was born under a lucky star, it seems, as I usually hand mine in for recycling, after three refills, but, on the rare occasion, have pushed my luck and re-used a cannister four times. Thank you for uploading and I'm now subscribed to your channel!
@jasonirish5390
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marty, this is really helpful. I began doing this with propane last year for car camping, from my 20lb tank that I can fill for one dollar a pound into those one pound canisters that are close to ten bucks now. I didn't know I could do this for my backpacking canisters as well. I hate to take a partially full canister that adds weight and volume to my pack. But I guess I should be able to use them to top off others. This is potentially a lot better for the environment too, as I bet many people throw their partials out. Using the cans more than once could mean fewer cans in the landfill, and certainly less fuel wasted.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason. Great point on reducing waste. I should have mentioned that in the video as well. Take care. Marty
@billyandrew
2 жыл бұрын
Can I ask, Jason, by _tank,_ do you mean bottle, such as those for caravans, etc?
@ryan11051105
3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful hack. I have a few partially filled MSR canisters from a previous trip, I now know what to do with them. Thanks man.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@CDAFishboy
3 жыл бұрын
I use the half empty cans when we lose power, when we go on a Dayhike in the spring and want a hot lunch, and kayak touring where space and weight is no issue. Never thought about refilling them. 👍👍
@lorens7837
2 жыл бұрын
I have learned SO MUCH from you. Thank you for passing along this knowledge. I honestly had no idea so many configurations were possible with a square tarp. 🙂
@shcmoly
3 жыл бұрын
You can refill the 1 lb propane tanks in a similar fashion from the standard 15 lb tank on your patio grill, just like Marty demonstrated the small empty needs to go in the freezer.
@donmontierth4533
Жыл бұрын
Overfilling is not just a matter of vapor pressure. Butane does have a lower vapor pressure than propane, but if you add too much butane and there is not enough vapor space left, when the liquid warms up and expands it will eventually end up taking all the space in the canister and will absolutely overpressure the canister and cause it to burst. Since butane and propane have a very similar density, do not fill over the gross weight regardless of whether it is butane or propane or isobutane. A nominally full canister is mostly liquid with some vapor space. It is critical to leave enough vapor space to allow for thermal expansion of the liquid, regardless of the composition of the liquid that is in it..
@ocgearhead1121
3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty new to backpacking and your content has been excellent learning material. It’s great to learn from someone with your experience and proven trail time. Thank you and keep up the great content 👍🏻
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@myadventuresincreation4741
3 жыл бұрын
You should be a science teacher for your next career. Awesome Marty
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Mentoring is one of my responsibilities as a professional engineer, I like passing on knowledge, but I'm not cut out to be an actual teacher. I don't like routine.
@ColemanOutdoors
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the scientific explanation on fuel and canisters. Also, glad to see you're okay with this now. Down here I can get the big 440 gram Coleman brand blended fuel at Wal-mart for way cheaper than MSR. I've been topping off or refilling for quite a while. Never used the pure butane though. But like you said, those cans are super cheap!
@filmic1
2 жыл бұрын
So cool! PV=nRT practicum, I guess? Another blogger showed that the smaller canister, full, yields 12 boil times per 500ml of water. (sea level?). I think that's correct.
@Suacoche
3 жыл бұрын
More bananas in the freezer too! 😂 🍌
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
She loves making banana bread, banana muffins etc....
@Suacoche
3 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth Damn right!!! 🤤
@billyandrew
2 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth I leave my unripe bananas in the fridge, (in a sealed container, so it's gas doesn't hasten the other fruit and veg) to ripen. I prefer soft bananas and they reach that stage when the peel turns black.
@daverich3352
Жыл бұрын
While putting canister in Freezer.. "Hunny Bunny won't be too happy." lol
@j.p.martinbelangerp.eng.8021
3 жыл бұрын
I worked at the Kaybob plant in Fox Creek, Alberta, from 1991-1995.
@cheekysaver
3 жыл бұрын
You don't have to go into Chinatown. Here in Calgary stores like T&T carry them... most Asian stores do. I really like even the standard portable butane stove for car camping. Cheap light fuel and the stove is light too. I also have a adapter so I can use a pocket stove that rests on the ground with a butane tank. Handy stuff!!!
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip Tobi. It's much appreciated. I love visiting T&T, they have such amazing variety of foods. If you watched a few of my buddy Chef Evan's videos, you'll see gourmet meals that he prepared for us on the trail, and many of his ingredients come from T7T and other Asian stores. Chef makes a Korean BBQ sauce from scratch that's out of this world. Cheers.
@JakeDoingStuff
3 жыл бұрын
Well shit. I just dropped off close to 10 partially used cans to nearside fire station. And was thinking what a waste it was. Keep this stuff coming Marty. Great info.
@BS2Dos
3 жыл бұрын
Cool hack. For clarity Marty, you’re basically transferring from the large can into the stubby cans because the stubby cans are better insulated and therefore perform better at colder temperatures than the large can, right?
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Neil. The tall cans are not really stable and therefore are not suited for use in the backcountry. The tall cans are for bigger stoves, typically used in homes or for car camping. So the basic reason for transferring to the stubby cans is because the stubby cans are the ones most of us us on our hikes. The stubby cans aren't insulated, they're just made of thicker metal. The reason for that is because they're sold around the world to store a variety of different fuel blends with different pressures. They're built to a European standard, and are rated for liquids that will generate a pressure up to 13 atmospheres at 50C. They're perfect for butane, but they couldn't be used for pure propane. The best cold temperature fuel would be propane, but the canisters would have to be too thick to be economical in small formats. This tip (refilling with butane) is really only good for summer camping. Cheers.
@tygabolu
3 жыл бұрын
Crown Outdoor & Tactical (Inglewood) had those small MSR canisters last time I was there.
@hockeyplayer6627
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and I see you have what I call a dis to dat(adapters) you actually have 2 dis to dats. I’m a mechanic and when I need fittings and go to our parts department I give them 2 different fittings and tell them I need a dis to dat… thanks for video
@TheSalasafras
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Marty, greetings from Ohio. Thanks for taking time to make enjoyable/informative videos. Seeing your sailboat in the shop made me wonder if you have ever considered making sailing videos for the channel?
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Paul. That sailboat in a 1968 Flying Dutchman that competed in several Olympics over the year (under different owners, not me). It's a 2-person boat that is extremely fast and requires a lot of work to sail. I tried making a video, but it's too distracting when sailing this thing. My dream is to buy a large boat and sail around the Mediterranean for a few years. When I start that adventure in the next few years I'll change the theme of my channel.
@TheSalasafras
3 жыл бұрын
I too have a dream of open ocean sailing and living later in life. Looking forward to whatever content you decide to produce.
@veryboringname.
2 жыл бұрын
I imagine putting a small hand warmer/heat pack on the top can will help speed up the transfer?
@backpackingrannie5088
3 жыл бұрын
So I assume I could refill the small 100 g containers from a 450 g size of Iso in the same manner, correct?
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Let gravity do the work. Little one on the bottom. A difference in temperature helps a lot.
@donmartin9567
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marty now you've got me thinking. If you take a full butane and empty red and fill "as much as you can", how much product goes into the red? What we care about is pressure, not liquid content so if it "holds" 300 instead of 211 would there be any issue in overfilling? Or, does there need to be some space in the red for the fuel to vaporize before exiting the can? Which leads to - what about the whisper lite that can use inverted canisters where the design heats the liquid fuel in a tube just before it goes to the burner. With that design, you should be able to use pure Butane without a problem and seeing as the canister is only a carrying vessel, it could be loaded as much as it'll take. Finally, if both canisters have the same internal pressure but there is more fuel in the top canister, won't gravity pull that fuel down anyway? I "think" that's how the small fuel transfer valve you have was designed to work to transfer fuel from partially used canisters to other partially used canisters.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Don, It's all about pressure. Actually, vapour pressure to be exact. The EN417 canister is designed to handle 13 atmospheres of pressure at 50 Celsius. Above that the seam will come apart. Pure n-butane has a vapour pressure of 5 atm at 50C so it's fine. Even at 80C the vapour pressure of butane is only 10 atm. Propane, on the other hand, reaches 5 atmospheres at only 1.4C, and quickly climbs to 10 atm at 26.9C. Loading an EN417 with pure propane is definitely not recommended, as it would blow around 30C. Mixtures of butane/propane fall in between. In theory there is no need to leave a vapour space in the canister. You should be able to fill right to the top if you are confident in the exact composition of the product. In the propane industry practice is to limit fill to 80% capacity. That's because the specification allows up to 2% ethane, which has a very high vapour pressure. I decided to verify. The empty canister weights 101 g, which means I loaded it with 113 g of butane. The specific gravity of butane is roughly 0.6, so that equates to 188 ml. I measured the full volume of the canister by water displacement, and it's approximately 250 ml, which is 72% (give or take). I think your comment on gravity is correct. A fluid is a fluid, and that would definitely be the case with water. I thought about equalization in the video because I was holding the assembly horizontally. I love these chats, and I absolutely knew you'd comment once you saw this video. Cheers my friend.
@JD3D67
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marty, I have several of the small MSR cartridges that are half full or less. What do you do? I don't want to take two or three partial cartridges on a trip, and if I just keep buying new ones, I'll have more partial ones. This solves that. Good work.
@RoeMega25
2 жыл бұрын
So how do you move the gas from canisters with less to the ones with more to top them off? What’s the trick there?
@billyandrew
2 жыл бұрын
@@RoeMega25 The same process with a different adapter, cooling the one to be filled and warming the one to be filled from.
@HikingMyHappyAssOff
Жыл бұрын
Hi, Thank you for the best video I've seen on this topic. I'd appreciate it if you could help with a few questions (with mixed fuel)... 1- When the top canister is finished donating, is there any importance to taking it off immediately? I'm wondering if extra air could go into the receiver if left sitting for 15 - 20 seconds after finishing. 2- How many times do you recommend refilling before throwing away? I've heard 5 times.. 10 times.. 3- But if I'm using multiple donor canisters to refill 1 canister, does each donor canister count as "one refill" since the reason for a limit on refills is due to wear on the o-rings? 4- I've heard to only use the same company brand (not sizes) for refilling due to the companies possibly making theirs to hold a different pressure. Or is the difference so small that it doesn't matter? Thanks!
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
My quick answers to your question. 1- If the donor canister is empty, then there is no rush to take it off immediately. There is no air in the canister, and air can't enter because the inside pressure of the canister is great than the pressure outside. 2 - I think 5 times is reasonable. I throw out a canister that's 4-5 years old as well. 3 - The wear on the ring/valve IS the reason for the limits. It's good for 100s of screw on and off, whether it's a stove or another canister. 4 - Fuel brand is irrelevant. The quality changes from batch to batch, even from the same manufacturers. Similar to the gasoline for your car, or the milk you drink.
@HikingMyHappyAssOff
Жыл бұрын
@Martyupnorth Ok thanks for taking the time to answer. 👍
@stephenbouchard8075
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Marty
@stefanotf2042
Жыл бұрын
Great tips ! Thank You !
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@tuberider1171
3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see an expert do this - most reassuring You make a good point at the end re the number of uses that I haven't seen elsewhere, namely "Each canister should only be refilled 3-4 times. After that the seal can become compromised." I assume one can get these seals although I suspect they might need to be a certain material and not common O rings from a general hardware Have you any thoughts on this?
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
It's not a simple o-ring. It's a check valve. I would't risk replacing it. Just get used canisters at your recycle depot. Ours has a whole section of propane and butane canisters that people drop off.
@tuberider1171
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for replying and clarifying. Is that valve intended to prevent over-filling by the way? I only ask as I have never heard mention of that valve in all the videos about refilling these cannisters. I'm sure hoping that you say yes as that would relieve the stress of over-filling and hassle of having to degas if you did. Would that be the case?
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
@@tuberider1171 No. It's an internal check valve designed to keep the butane from escaping when the stove is removed. When you scrw in the stove it pushes on the valve.
@tuberider1171
3 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth hey .. well that makes sense. Many thanks for all your information .. of all of the KZitem videos posted yours is my go to for information By the way. Have you ever refilled to the MSR %, i.e. with Butane 80% and 20% Propane?
@billyandrew
2 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth I thought it also meant how it's held together and maintains it's shape, ie, the seam running down the side and around the bottom?
@minkos61
3 жыл бұрын
Valve ordered thanks for the demo Marty! One question not related to fuel but related to your kayak in the background (time stamp 16:58) are they the 10 foot or the 12 foot pelican ? I'm looking at getting the 12foot model and was just wondering if you are happy with yours? Thanks Ernie.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Costco specials. Pelican model KY10 (2018). They were $399.99 each, and came with oar, spray skirts (which we never use) and a roof-top carrier. We use them all the time. I've gone down the Bow River with no issues. 10' fits in the back of my pickup without too much overhang. Also a bit lighter than the 12'. Fun at the lake.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/moF6qISCeqKqaKA This is a video taken by my buddy Eric when he came for a visit 2 summers ago. He's 6'4"
@cliffspicer6555
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. If you know the mix is 20% propane to 80% butane, do you think there is any issue with using the propane adapter to fill the 20% first of the total with the green propane canister and then the 80% butane?
@alekseyk7266
2 жыл бұрын
I did that but I have red that 80% butane should go first and than 20% propane. Even just 20% propane portion alone may/will burst a can
@Linus007
Жыл бұрын
Dangerous and not worth the risk. Leep propane away from butane canisters. Never fill the butane canister with propane.
@explorer8888
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks! How do you call that adapter? I will try to find it online.
@gsoni79
Жыл бұрын
Very helpful indeed
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@donmoroz5502
3 жыл бұрын
Why don't you screw all the adaptors together and then weigh them seperately from the cannister to be filled. Add this to the weight of the receptor canister. That way you can do your fill by disconnecting the supply canister only to creep up on say 180 gm of fuel, or whatever you decide you need in your refilled canister without having to screw and unscrew everything several times.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes when I'm filming, I forget the obvious.
@LexLuthor1234
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, thanks Marty! Also, you DO have a lot of bananas haha ,D
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
Yes I do!
@tevin620
Жыл бұрын
Hi Marty, thanks for sharing the video, it inspired me a lot, it's the best video on this topic I've ever seen on youtube. I have a question when using butane fuel, is the product of pure butane combustion the same as that of a mixture of isobutane and propane? MSR reactor stove recommends using their canister as the only fuel. Will butane combustion lead to more carbon deposition, especially in porous media combustion, which will lead to stove plug? Which is the cleaner fuel? I would appreciate it if you could take the time to answer this question. Take care. Tevin.
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
Great question. Generally speaking, the products of combustion for any fuel are always water and carbon dioxide. As you suggest, for that to happen, the ratio of fuel to air has to be optimum. It also depends on the elevation. The soot/carbon deposit/plugging occurs when there isn't enough air. In this case the fuels are virtually identical. The blend when you buy the canisters is 80% butane/20% propane. The refill is 100% butane. In summer you won't notice any difference. In winter you will, but it will manifest itself as a lazy flame. A good test is to check the bottom of you pot or pan. If it's clean, then so will you burner. Cheers.
@tevin620
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to help me figure this out, it's very clear now, and wish you all the best.😀
@audramackenzie7630
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@draekko_
3 жыл бұрын
I have the orange adapter for the butane to the vertical cans and i would be careful with using it right on a stove even one that is a remote stove with a "rat tail" as i have had them leak and that's just asking for problems in the wrong circumstances. I only use them to refill now.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. The large bottles are designed for home use. They're too fragile for backcountry use. It would be so easy to puncture one accidentally.
@draekko_
3 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth Also some of the adapters like the orange one have bad tolerances on the fitting and can leak through the fitting as well which is also a problem at times. It's all made in Chy-Na soooooooo .... lol
@BS2Dos
3 жыл бұрын
Haven’t checked in for a while. Looks like I’ve got a bit of catching up to do!
@brianscott8515
3 жыл бұрын
@martyupnorth care to chat elk with an elk noob? I saw your vid and would love to pick your brain a bit. Thanks!
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Send me a e-mail at martinbelanger2015@gmail.com. I'll share my phone and we can have a chat. It's harder and harder to get drawn for elk. I usually hunt in 404, along the Highwood River. Took two 6x6 trophy from there in the last decade.
@louisehiker9246
3 жыл бұрын
Can you provide a link to the adapter on Amazon please?
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Here's one like the model I used in the video. www.amazon.ca/Adapter-Filling-Canister-Backpacking-Camping/dp/B08CBGXQQK/ref=rtpb_7?pd_rd_w=gRAK9&pf_rd_p=164a4ce0-05d6-485d-91f8-34f2925e3c30&pf_rd_r=2GSWQDY63RQ5BZPE7QPM&pd_rd_r=2f499c31-a3be-4e54-8e69-ea6e833a6768&pd_rd_wg=ch4Gp&pd_rd_i=B08CBGXQQK&psc=1
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
This one is cheaper, but should work as well. It just doesn't have a valve, so a little riskier. www.amazon.ca/Adapter-Filling-Canister-Backpacking-Camping/dp/B08CBGXQQK/ref=rtpb_7?pd_rd_w=gRAK9&pf_rd_p=164a4ce0-05d6-485d-91f8-34f2925e3c30&pf_rd_r=2GSWQDY63RQ5BZPE7QPM&pd_rd_r=2f499c31-a3be-4e54-8e69-ea6e833a6768&pd_rd_wg=ch4Gp&pd_rd_i=B08CBGXQQK&psc=1
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Just search for words like "Adapter Gas Refill Butane Canister" and something should show up.
@sstorholm
2 жыл бұрын
What would happen if you chill both below 0.4 C and just let the liquid butane drip down to the lower canister? Or are the valves too restrictive for the liquid?
@Martyupnorth
2 жыл бұрын
That should work fine.
@bigemugamer
Жыл бұрын
Good video. So, Theoretically, if you can fill that butane canister with roughly 60-70 grams of butane, could you fill it first with 5 - 10 grams of propane THEN fill the rest with butane and make a winter mixture... theoretically? I just bought a half dozen adapters off Amazon and am getting into gas fuelled products to use in relation with my wood, briquettes, electrical fuelled etc. setup for variety. Thank you in advance. =)
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
You are correct. You can make your own winter mix. Start with the butane, and add the propane. I don't think you would be able to do it the othe way around because the vapor pressure of propane is much higher. Let us know how that turns out.
@bigemugamer
Жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth Awesome, thank you for the heads up, it'll be a while but I'll try to remember to report back, have an awesome day! =D
@brandonmccarthy9224
3 жыл бұрын
Marty this is gold LOL
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
We call oil "black gold". Cheers.
@ang8282
Жыл бұрын
why refil instead of using the full one i dont understand can you please answer me that im confused
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
The full butane bottle is too flimsy for backcountry use. It also has a cheap valve that is easily damaged and could accidentally release all the content. The big bottles are designed for home use, and basically have to be stored upright. The little canisters are rugged, safer and can be just tossed inside a backpack.
@ang8282
Жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth thank you for taking the time to answer me ,
@dsmyify
Жыл бұрын
Thank you fella. What are the potential dangers of doing this? Is there anything to be weary off?
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
If you grossly overfill, the cartridge will vent if the ambient temperature gets too hot. You’d have to overfill by probably 50% before that happens.
@joshualaw943
2 жыл бұрын
Just put a converter on stove and use can butane
@ebikecnx7239
2 жыл бұрын
Some people want the 110g canister filled for their Jetboil stoves, they nest nicely in the pot. Butane cans are too tall for some users, but yes, an adapter works too, I use one myself for a Trangia burner.
@daverich3352
Жыл бұрын
The wide base of the MSR can is more stable.
@Martyupnorth
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't feel safe carrying one of those flimsy cans of butane in my pack. Walls are too twin, and the nozzle is too easy to squeeze.
@twochordcool
3 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew they could be refilled, I have about 25 or 30 empty and partially full ones.
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
The partial ones were always the worse. How many times have you ever taken two half tanks on a trip? Cheers.
@twochordcool
3 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth Exactly, too full to toss out and too empty to justify taking up space in your backpack. And I already have a hard time figuring out what should stay and what should go and getting it all to fit, especially on longer trips, and I have very large volume backpacks...so I need less challenges when it comes to gear and stay or go choices!
@TheStryderPrime
2 жыл бұрын
Can you fill this Canister with propane ?
@Martyupnorth
2 жыл бұрын
No. The vapor pressure of propane is much higher than butane.
@TheStryderPrime
2 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth Uffff thanks, is there a propane canister that i can refill. not the coleman bottle, but something like the MSR canister but in propane ?
@Martyupnorth
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheStryderPrime Not to my knowledge. Propane is cheaper as a fuel, but more dangerous to store. It has a high vapor pressure, so that's why the Coleman tanks are so heavy. If you filled a small cartride with propane, it would rupture if the temperature got above 10-15C because the propane would "boil". Don't risk it.
@TheStryderPrime
2 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth PERFECT !! thanks so much for your time, ill go for propane for base camp and isobutane for BACKPACKING !!!!
@Hobby_Electric
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheStryderPrime I did refill my Gas Torch canister with propane. The Canister was about 30% filled, and i added some propane to it but i was using a Pressure gauge to make shure that i do not exeed the pressure inside the can. Winter gas mixture has a pressure around 3,5 - 4,5 Bar at 20°C and 4-5 Bar at 25°C I was only abe to get it to 3/4 full and was already over normal pressure. I did refill in little steps and keep looking at the Pressure. Now i have about 5,5 Bar 25°C Also its easy to overfill a little canister with a propane tank, also dangerous, nobody want to be near a can with like 200g propane pop... Now i have to keep the can colder than normal, because the vapor pressure is now a good amount higher than normal. It would not survive the 50°C pressure test anymore, so its not possibile to transport insite my car in the summer. That is okay in my case, because i use it only for my gas torch. Next time i will fist add butane (if its empty) then the propane :-)
@rudyvazquez8230
Жыл бұрын
🙏🏼
@amitmadhukarranade
3 жыл бұрын
It is not legal to refill and use iso butane canister in canada one of the camping store salesman told me
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
Of course he'll tell you that., he wants to sell you a new one for 4x the cost. But, there might be some truth to his statement. As a business owner he's not allowed to sell you a refilled canister, just like he's not allowed to sell you a refilled tube of tooth paste. I'm a private citizen, and as far as I'm concerned it's no body's business if I refill a canister.
@draekko_
3 жыл бұрын
@@Martyupnorth Indeed. I replace them every couple of years after so many refills just to avoid rusting and whatnot. No issues so far. Same with the green propane bottles. I just make sure that its got the same amount of weight as the original amount so that its not over-pressurized. Also best to always check them out before heading out there to see if they are leaking in the valve of the bottle and replace as needed. If you hear hissing and or smell when shaking it that's a sure sign :) Whats funny is they don't recycle the butane in those canisters if there is any left but they sure as hell get back the propane from the green ones which is why they take them back at most depots. I wouldn't be surpirsed to learn one day that some outfill somewhere is collecting them and refursbishing them are turning them back to service (the green propane bottles i mean).
@Martyupnorth
3 жыл бұрын
@@draekko_ I've been to a few countries where refilled ones (the 1 litre propane bottles) are delivered to people's homes every day because they have no other means of cooking. Some third-world countries take recycling and reusing to a whole new level.
@amitmadhukarranade
3 жыл бұрын
so long time back I order adapter for same purpose but never used it coz i was worried about that illegal issie🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ColemanOutdoors
3 жыл бұрын
Shhh....I occasionally exceed the speed limit. I keep my eye pealed for the highway patrol and I'm extra alert for other vehicles when breaking the law.😁
@Raja-kr8ul
Жыл бұрын
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