Museum/Melbourne Central is an interesting one. When the shopping centre was built above the station, the centre asked for the name to be changed to Melbourne Central. The transport authorities asked for several million dollars in return. The centre refused. When the Melbourne Museum moved to Carlton Gardens a few years later, the name was subsequently changed to Melbourne Central and the centre owners didn't have to pay a cent.
@xr6lad
2 жыл бұрын
I thought they they did actually pay money. It was still Museum for a long time and it was going to become State Library.
@pavementpounder7502
2 жыл бұрын
The name Melbourne Central makes sense regardless of the shopping centre.
@ianmontgomery7534
Жыл бұрын
@@pavementpounder7502 perhaps they should have called it Central Melbourne.
@shraka
Жыл бұрын
@@pavementpounder7502 It doesn’t make a great deal of sense. Internationally ‘Central’ stations are usually major interchanges and often a terminus. Spencer street station is more of a central station than Melbourne central is.
@pavementpounder7502
Жыл бұрын
@shraka Its central as in a central location, which it is. I'd say its one of the main unofficial centres of Melbourne, with the State Library too. The other being the GPO, Town Hall, Fed square.
@jaewardtattoo
2 жыл бұрын
The Southern Cross station name still irks me. It doesn’t roll off the tongue the way Spencer st Station did. And the name doesn't allude to anything other then ‘hey look, you are in Australia……. Kinda like naming an airline ‘Bonza’
@musicalaviator
2 жыл бұрын
Naming a new thing... it's first and perhaps only name is no problem. Naming an old thing a new name... might be. I still call Southern cross "Spencer st" on occasion.
@xr6lad
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly and no matter how boring Spencer St as a name was, it defined an area and you know where to look. SC doesn’t. It’s like renaming Flinders St ‘Yarra Central’ - means nothing.
@hulahoopone
2 жыл бұрын
I arrived in Victoria in Oct 2008 and most people I know in Geelong stubbornly still call it Spencer Street, so in order to blend in, so do I!
@spiralpython1989
Жыл бұрын
Ahhhhhhh! I still think of it/call it Spencer St, not out of stubbornness but more out of forgetfulness. I also moved from Melbourne to Geelong before the name change; maybe that’s why I think I forget the name change… perhaps it’s because of the people I am surrounded by…
@Emily-the_funny_guys
2 жыл бұрын
It will always be Spencer Street Station to me
@oztiger5663
2 жыл бұрын
Me too sistah.
@70sVRsignalman
Жыл бұрын
Dear Philip, the other point about Spencer St to Southern Cross, is that as Spencer St it had undergone three rebuilds, intending to transform an inadequate facility into a usable and attractive location. All three were never completed.. So by renaming it to Southern Cross they hoped for better luck, but no, it to has not been completed, and like its predecessors, it too has heavily trafficked portions with poor lighting and awkward layout design. Just go to show, when it comes to Spencer St Railway Station, history does keep repeating itself ! ( And to prove the point, I see that a full set of perfectly readable and legible Metro Blue station signs have been replaced by a lesser number of white station signs that DO NOT stand out. Money would have been better spent on improved lighting.)
@kentallard8852
2 жыл бұрын
do a video on what a shit redevelopment it is. Poor lighting and trapped diesel fumes. Mid platform subway closed. Escalators rarely work. Forced to exit via a roundabout path through shopping areas.
@lachlanbaker2031
2 жыл бұрын
One bin for the entire station
@emmas4336
2 жыл бұрын
It's a terrible design. They replaced the gloomy pedestrian subway with an entirely gloomy station.
@ianmontgomery7534
Жыл бұрын
I think Bayswater Station was originally on the Williamstown line which, to me, makes more sense than where the suburb of Bayswater ended up.
@MiniLuv-1984
2 жыл бұрын
Its not called Museum Station is a surprise, explains that "other" station that suddenly appears "Melbourne Central" :) One of the things that I am really glad is that I no longer need to go to town. The problem with Suburbia is stations basically take you to or from the CBD.
@darrenmiles-morland8038
2 жыл бұрын
I never did like the idea of Spencer Street Station being renamed Southern Cross. If it was done specifically for the 2006 Melbourne Commonwealth Games, then it should have been changed back to Spencer Street again after the games had been completed. I'm also fairly certain that Carnegie Station was once called Rosstown.
@Omegavision79
2 жыл бұрын
Correct, Carnegie was renamed from Rosstown. Residents voted to change their suburb's name to Carnegie hoping it might attract a donation from the philanthropist.
@ianmontgomery7534
Жыл бұрын
@@Omegavision79 but the pub remains the Rosstown.
@emmas4336
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if I dislike the renaming or the rebuilding more. Both wasteful.
@apseudonym
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was so extra
@heathertruskinger6214
2 жыл бұрын
I still call it Spencer Street 😂 ...and I moved to Queensland in 1983 ! ( But I still come back and visit when I can , staying at The Savoy, directly across the road !)
@stopsallmelb
2 жыл бұрын
How that roof ever got approved with the diesel fuel running from the vline and xpts with no way of escaping. Can be a hard time for asthmatics like myself 😅
@JonJon-dn7hu
2 жыл бұрын
Lucky for you the state government requires mandatory masks must be worn at all-time does cloth mask do a great job just ask the government😶🌫️
@stopsallmelb
2 жыл бұрын
@@JonJon-dn7hu on the trains it's not the problem. It's on the concourse
@handyandyaus
2 жыл бұрын
@@JonJon-dn7hu Still banging on about that are you?
@brunov5309
2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t the roof designed to let those fumes out? Pretty sure the highest points of the roof have vents for that reason
@stopsallmelb
2 жыл бұрын
@@brunov5309 if it does, it does a pretty darn average job
@p1mason
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! When you said that Spencer Street was opened as a second major city station, I feel like you glossed a really interesting bit of history. Unlike all other Australian states, Victorian railways were originally planned as an entirely private affair. Of the numerous schemes proposed, three companies were granted the right to build railways into the city of Melbourne. As a result, Melbourne had three downtown terminal stations, each originally proposed by a different private company. Two of these (Flinders Street and Princes Bridge) were originally operated by their respective companies, but Spencer Street was ultimately completed and opened by the Victorian Government when the Melbourne, Mount Alexander and Murray River Railway went broke before they could complete their initial line from Melbourne to Echuca.
@xr6lad
2 жыл бұрын
Yup. And also why we got the original outer circle railway and the government line from Oakleigh to Gippsland need to reach the city and government Spencer St terminus while avoiding the private lines into the city from the east and south so they deviated right round the outskirts and came In from the north.
@comstr
2 жыл бұрын
Please go into great detail on the failure of the roof and why it's STILL bad. Also the name is bad.
@lachlanbaker2031
2 жыл бұрын
I like the name.
@emmas4336
2 жыл бұрын
Every time I've used it I'm still dismayed at how such a 'modern' station can be so gloomy. Maybe breathing in the fumes is meant to addle your brain enough so you don't notice.
@daleym4955
2 жыл бұрын
Always was Spencer st station always will be Spencer st station
@ninjaskeleton6140
2 жыл бұрын
I still call it Spencer st station
@SciFiAddict189
2 жыл бұрын
I think the North Melbourne rename made more sense. Not sure about the Emergency Services or infrastructure but if they had renamed it immediately after announcing it would have mitigated the public confusion slightly.
@jeremyclarksonfragrance
2 жыл бұрын
Always hated this station. It stinks of diesel. Great video though!
@SiblingCreature
Жыл бұрын
I still sometimes refer to it as Spencer Street, but I wouldn't say it's a protest against the name change, it's just a name I still associate with that station and I feel no particular need to call it by the new name rather than the old one. Usually I won't even notice I've done it unless someone points it out to me. I also still get funny looks for continuing to refer to Woolies as Safeway for the same reason.
@FloydBromley
2 жыл бұрын
Southern Cross isn't a bad name, it just isn't that great either.
@aussietaipan8700
Жыл бұрын
I grew up with the name of Spencer Street Station, to me it will always be SSS.
@gaeshows1938
2 жыл бұрын
should’ve renamed to southern spencer street station
@speedmastermarkiii
2 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard anyone refer to Southern Cross station as "Spencer Street" for years. But I do remember the public urinal decor of Spencer Street Station, particularly the Spencer Street underpass.
@Scotty-P
2 жыл бұрын
I call it Spencer Street.
@xr6lad
2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that. They spent so much money on Southern Cross and designed a dog of a station. Not enough toilets. Inadequate escalators/stairs at main entrance for people using it. Certainly not enough seating. It seems designed by a committee for appearance and not actual use.
@devilpizza123
2 жыл бұрын
You need to understand, they couldn't just tear everything down and rebuild from scratch such a large transport hub. They needed to be able to keep trains running whilst construction was going on. Architecturally, it's a beautifully modern station compared to its predecessor, and Grimshaw did what they could in the design with the restrictions that were placed on them. What they need, is to open up the subway again so that people don't have to crowd onto the escalators at either side of the platforms.
@pavementpounder7502
2 жыл бұрын
I like the design myself
@errinundra9798
2 жыл бұрын
In Kenji Miyazawa's children's classic "Night on the Galactic Railroad", Southern Cross station is the final destination for human souls.
@Expedient_Mensch
2 жыл бұрын
Shit! I hope the afterlife is better than that!
@pavementpounder7502
2 жыл бұрын
Well Ava Gardner allegedly (though it seems she didnt really) say Melbourne was a fine place to set a film about the end of the world, when she was here to film 'The Beach', filmed in Frankston.
@errinundra9798
2 жыл бұрын
@@pavementpounder7502 Journalist Neil Jillet has always claimed he penned the quote when writing an article about the film.
@venturabus01
2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the hungry jacks on the bottom of Southern cross station is name spencer street hjs while upstairs store is called Southern cross hjs
@darkangel2347
Жыл бұрын
In Adelaide we have a huge shopping centre called Westfield Marion but the closest raiilway station is called Oalkands and not Marion. There was a motion to change this to Marion (to suit the Westfield facility) but it did not go ahead.
@martinwallace5734
2 жыл бұрын
I think the line with the most re-named stations has to be the Alamein line. Riversdale was originally Prospect Hill (though the name changed before it opened, I think), Willison was Golf Links, Hartwell was Hartwell Hill, Burwood was formerly Hartwell (confusing!) and Ashburton used to be Norwood. Only Camberwell at one end and Alamein at the other have remained unchanged - and of course neither of those is really the original end of the old "Outer Circle" line, of which the Alamein Line is a remnant.
@Kevin-go2dw
Жыл бұрын
And if you want to really confuse people, Hartwell station was originally Wallhalla station, but in this case the building was relocated.
@vincentweatherly9991
2 жыл бұрын
Then you look at Bannockburn changing its town name (and therefore it’s station name) 2 times. Beginning as Leigh Road (1863), changing to Wabdallah (1875) then to Bannockburn (1892). It was easier to change a station’s name back then because how young the stations were and older stations have been called that for a long time which is harder the change amongst members of the public
@garynewton1263
Жыл бұрын
I prefer Spencer Street however as Victoria is the home of the Southern Cross in the sky and is closest to it than any other state I suppose it makes sense. Its the rail hub of Australia anyway so I like it. Go the Vics.
@shraka
Жыл бұрын
Spencer did make it easier to navigate to on foot without a map though. These days it doesn't matter as much but it was changed before everyone was carrying a GPS around with them.
@COOLARUL
Жыл бұрын
The Ginifer railway station was originally meant to be called Furlong, because it is near Furlong Rd. By the time the station was completed it was decided to change the name to Ginifer, after the recently deceased local Politician Jack Ginifer.
@COLINJELY
2 жыл бұрын
Sydenham/Watergardens? Actually my Great Grandfather was a school teacher in the Keilor area and one of the schools he taught at was called Keilor Road Station,
@michaelhart3410
2 жыл бұрын
This is the first vid of yours I've seen and boy, was it good. As a Melburnian, I appreciate how informative you are. I've now subscribed. Keep up the great work mate.
@letsseeif
2 жыл бұрын
Philip. I always enjoy your informative video. I recall 'mocking' the name Tunstall Station as TOADSTOOL. [ps. My Canberra relatives still refuse to use the name Southern Cross Station]
@mushy111
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when it was renamed it was referred to in announcements as "Southern Cross on Spencer Street" I guess keeping a reference to the old name until people get used to just saying Southern Cross.
@shraka
Жыл бұрын
I never did. I keep forgetting and calling it Spencer.
@xr6lad
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to cover silly names start looking at the new Metro tunnel. Town Hall for something at right angles to Flinders St station and will be connected to it should have had the same name. ANZAC station doesn’t identify the area. State Library again when you are at right angles to MCentral and they should be an interchange sharing the same name. In London or Paris where multiple lines intersect they don’t name the stations 4 different names.
@ianmontgomery7534
Жыл бұрын
so having a station next to the Shrine of Remembrance isn't a big hint for ANZAC Station. Rememeb these were chosen as a result of peoples suggestions.
@xr6lad
5 ай бұрын
@@ianmontgomery7534ANZAC is the name of an army group. Not a location. So no. Unless someone knew Australian history it could be anywhere. Shrine is an actual location. A darn big building. An attraction. And being chosen by the people is hardly a recommendation in itself - we are meant to run railways as functional systems - not based on popularity contests. And were they really voted for or was it a typical government run contest where the winner was always going to be the winner.
@ianmontgomery7534
5 ай бұрын
@@xr6ladThey weren't voted for - you were asked to send in your suggestions and I guess they picked the either the ones they liked or the most popular. Unless you know that the building is a shrine the same applies.
@peregrinemccauley5010
Жыл бұрын
Southern Cross . Wow . Mind bending originality . These Hominids are worth more money .
@BillSaltbush
Жыл бұрын
Huntingdale. Huntingdale Railway Station takes its name from Huntingdale Golf Course - it's the only railway station which takes its name from a golf course. The golf course, in a previous incarnation, was the base (home) of the Melbourne Hunt Club - hence Huntingdale Golf Club. Now that Huntingdale Golf Club is to merge with Metropolitan Golf Club, will the railway station's name be changed to Metropolitan Railway Station?
@robbiewales3007
Ай бұрын
Spencer St station was first named Batman Hill station originally when it first opened due to nearby Batman Hill. It then changed it's name to Spencer St station and the rest is history
@COLINJELY
2 жыл бұрын
Braybrook Junction/Sunshine. Whatever happened to The Man in Grey?
@xymaryai8283
2 жыл бұрын
i remember Museum Station but not Spencer Street Station. however, i don't ever remember Melbourne museum not being in Carlton Gardens. strange hodgepodge of memories...
@gregthompson3274
5 ай бұрын
My local station Glenhuntly,after the level crossing removal and the new station being constructed, the station name is now Glen Huntly with a gap between the words,as the station was originally named,with glen and huntly now being 2 words
@pulsecodemodulated
4 ай бұрын
I was never a fan of the new name, but I laugh at people who still call it Spencer St Station. Seems rather childish to be still protesting the name change almost two decades after the fact, especially since people under a certain age will have no idea what or where you're talking about. I grew up near Huntingdale Station and not once did I ever hear anyone refer to it as "East Oakleigh".
@andreagriffiths3512
Жыл бұрын
I’m terrible, I still call it Spencer St…not for a protest but because that’s what it was when I first started catching the train. Likewise I still call Melb Central, Museum.
@darylcheshire1618
2 жыл бұрын
I’m fascinated by Wyalong Central which had a station building and a station master but was several kilomters from West Wyalong, the town which had a siding but no building, just a nameboard stuck in the ground and was the junction for the Burcher line (with a signal box)
@70sVRsignalman
Жыл бұрын
Dear Philip, 1/ the reason that many documents, including Signal Diagrams and Wiring Diagrams have not been changed from Spencer St/SSS to Southern Cross/SCS is due to the enormous cost for no practical benefit.2/ It is my understanding that the Kennett Government did fact get paid to allow for the change from Museum to Melbourne Central instead of the originally intended State Library. As the State Museum was moved to Carlton Exhibition Gardens, clearly Museum would need to be changed.Personnally, State Library is preferable.
@mobiletransportvideo
2 жыл бұрын
Should still be called Spencer St.
@apseudonym
2 жыл бұрын
I'm still salty about the renaming of Spencer Street station tbh
@DCCXXjay
2 жыл бұрын
another awesome video phillip, love watching your great and informative videos :)
@darylcheshire1618
2 жыл бұрын
What about Watergardens? Formerly Sydenham, did the shopping centre pay for the change? Also with Southland station, a sticking point was that Westfield didn’t want to pay a cent and they didn’t have to in the end.
@Omegavision79
2 жыл бұрын
Naming a station after a shopping centre: OK. Naming a station after a school adjacent: nope, can't do it as they're non-profit. Hence Middle Gorge instead of Marymede.
@PCLoadLetter
Жыл бұрын
Sydenham station was a few hundred metres further north. The current station was Watergardems from the day it opened, when electrification was extended from St Albans.
@TomIsQuestionable
5 ай бұрын
@@PCLoadLetterThe name for the new station was supposed to be Sydenham but was changed to Watergardens before it opened, that’s why you can see ‘Sydenham’ spelled out in a different colour of bricks in the wall at the station.
@PCLoadLetter
5 ай бұрын
@TomIsQuestionable That doesn't change the fact that Sydenham Station was a few hundred metres north of Watergardens Station.
@captaccordion
Жыл бұрын
I remain annoyed by the name change. No-one consulted me.
@heyitsgabs21
2 жыл бұрын
lotta hate for southern cross in this comment section, yall aint ever seen the shit that is melbourne central
@Daz912
2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a roller coaster when they were building it
@jamesdinsdale4256
3 ай бұрын
Spencer Street for me and i will always call it that
@waynecorker9098
2 жыл бұрын
What happened to th mural?
@philipmallis
2 жыл бұрын
It's still at the site, but it was moved from its original position and is now on the back wall of TKMaxx at DFO Spencer Street: www.flickr.com/photos/philipmallis/52133734074/
@stevewiles7132
2 жыл бұрын
A big draughty cavern now.
@Nae395
Жыл бұрын
It will always be Spencer St station
@PeterMilanovski
Жыл бұрын
Or as I refer to it as southern crustaceans LoL 🤣
@DaleDix
2 жыл бұрын
Bracks was going to change it no matter what.
@garynewton1263
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer 'Melbourne Central because the Museum isn't the only attraction in that area. We have a new station here in Adelaide that needs a rename. 'Adelaide Showgrounds' should be renamed 'Wayville' to reflect the suburb it serves. I first started travelling through Melbourne's City Loop in 1983 when the Comeng trains were introduced and it's still Australia's best underground rail system, way more beautiful than Sydney's dark, dirty, gloomy underground.
@pavementpounder7502
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it makes sense. In a way Melbourne CBD has several 'centres', if you like. Fed Square/Flinders St station, the Town Hall, GPO and Melbourne Central/the State Library.
@garynewton1263
2 жыл бұрын
@@pavementpounder7502 Yes correct. What would be a fitting name for it if it was to change? City North?
@pavementpounder7502
2 жыл бұрын
@@garynewton1263 even just Melbourne Station. But MC is the best i think.
@garynewton1263
2 жыл бұрын
@@pavementpounder7502 Yeah agreed.
@KleosAu
2 жыл бұрын
It should never have been renamed.
@hayer70
Жыл бұрын
Mate, do you remember a the general motor station on the Dandenong line? What happened to it, do a docu video in it mate…..
@philipmallis
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! Will add it to the list
@Wooplot
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Philip. Would you consider making a video on your time as a councillor?
@philipmallis
2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks I'll add it to my (very long) list of future video ideas
@Wooplot
2 жыл бұрын
@@philipmallis Thanks !
@morantaylor
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Moreland council will push for Moreland station to be renamed after the LGA changes name.....
@thetrainman548
2 жыл бұрын
Finally getting the recognition you deserve, love it 💪
@devilpizza123
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't see what the fuss is about. Southern Cross is a great name to me, referencing the great London terminus of Kings Cross, as well as the constellation of Crux. It also makes a lot of sense. It's at the southern most transport hub on the mainland. From Southern Cross Station you can take a train to Sydney, take a train to Adelaide, take a tram to a ferry to Tasmania, take a bus to the airport. Take a V/Line train/coach to every corner of Victoria and take a train and tram to every part of Melbourne. It's the most southerly crossroad in Australia. It honestly baffles me people don't see the genius in such a name and just bang on about how much they miss Spencer St Station.
@thurstonkuriata7929
Жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right! Naming the station after an adjacent street is incredibly dull in comparison.
@shraka
Жыл бұрын
@@thurstonkuriata7929 Spencer Street does, however, communicate a little about where it's located, which is useful for a regional hub that will be navigated to by a lot of people not from Melbourne. Southern cross has some vague symbology going for it and that's about it. Not an awful name but from a practical perspective it's a step backwards and not a compelling reason to change the name.
@thurstonkuriata7929
Жыл бұрын
@@shraka Perhaps. But if you are not from Melbourne you probably wouldn't know where Spencer street is anyway. I'd also argue that it does not matter simply because modern navigation makes trip management and directions so easy.
@shraka
Жыл бұрын
@@thurstonkuriata7929 The name was changed before everyone had GPS. Spencer street is long, so if you’re walking and hit ‘Spencer street’ you know the station is along there somewhere. It also makes it easier to locate on a map. Then there’s the problem of people having to remember the new name, plus all the administrative headaches. I’m a UX designer - the old name communicated better and was more practical.
@thurstonkuriata7929
Жыл бұрын
@@shraka I am aware of when the name was changed. Still think it is preferable as it is now.
@ReubenSilveira6
2 жыл бұрын
Great video Philip! How did you find Metro's working timetable?
@handyandyaus
2 жыл бұрын
Gunzels can find anything....
@philipmallis
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! I went down some rabbit holes and came across a URL for an old working timetable and put that into the Wayback Machine. Came up with this: web.archive.org/web/20150723190721/www.metrotrains.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Metro-Working-Timetable-System-Description-Addenda-18-Sep-2013-including-WT13-2009.pdf
@pavementpounder7502
2 жыл бұрын
Burwood station is also not in Burwood but Glen Iris.
@Omegavision79
2 жыл бұрын
Due to a 1995 boundary change.
@pavementpounder7502
2 жыл бұрын
@@Omegavision79 ah that makes sense
@JonJon-dn7hu
2 жыл бұрын
I still call it Spencer Street and I live across the road from it
@chernobylcoleslaw6698
2 жыл бұрын
It will always be Spencer St Station to me. #boomer
@apseudonym
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a millennial and honesty same
@chernobylcoleslaw6698
2 жыл бұрын
@@apseudonym Let's get a Facebook group going - they'll be forced to change... 😉
@bwootton1988
2 жыл бұрын
I can see my house in your opening scene there haha!
@johno01970
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again... love these videos!
@PradeepRaajkumar1981
2 жыл бұрын
Lovely mate.. I Miss Spencer Street...
@planetX15
Жыл бұрын
It's still there
@Winston_Nelson
2 жыл бұрын
thanks! awesome video
@rileyrust8267
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid
@desking8065
2 жыл бұрын
Well suburbs' continue to grow bigger, east can change to west depends where the suburbs' grow. Southern cross is a brilliant name. There is plenty of sticks in mud that stay there for a long time which means nothing. It's another example of Victoria ending at the CBD.
@Scotty-P
2 жыл бұрын
Stop the suburbs "growing bigger"!!!!!
@shraka
Жыл бұрын
Southern Cross is a pretty terrible name. It doesn't tell you anything about where the station is or how to get to it.
@Scotty-P
2 жыл бұрын
Why do you add that "acknowledge the traditional owners"...." rubbish? You do films on railways here in Melbourne and broadcast them here on KZitem, and railways and the very society/nation itself do not exist here without us making, and film and computers are only possible with us having invented them.
@apseudonym
2 жыл бұрын
Dude shut up with your colonialist nonsense. It's just about paying respect, got it?
@COOLARUL
Жыл бұрын
Because the land belongs to them. We are all living on stolen land.
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