This should be required viewing for people making social media arguments based on "historical facts".
@pouyashahrouei7433
3 жыл бұрын
This is what true education is. Enabling people to think for themselves and come to correct conclusions. This is enlightening minds. Simply feeding information to audiences is merely entertainment. Thank you so much for this invaluable lesson! Could you please make a video about how to separate the facts and the historians opinion and how to assess the validity of historical information while reading history books?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea. I think it has a place in this series, for sure.
@pcatful
6 ай бұрын
Agreed. We can’t remember many “facts” fed to us in school, but giving people understanding and discrimination is more useful going through life.
@robsimer9296
3 жыл бұрын
This video provides an excellent foundation for debunking modern myth (alternate history). Debunking myth is a great way to teach history, rhetoric, and topical debate.
@themaskedman5954
3 жыл бұрын
Alternative history is not myth the problem is lack of evidence
@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164
3 жыл бұрын
It also provides a foundation for debunking ancient myths as well. Just because many believe such myths doesn't make them true, no matter how accepted and beloved those myths are.
@kevinmurphy65
2 жыл бұрын
"Myth" is not "alternate history". Myth and mythology is a specific body of study and although the modern notion that myth is something not true or unhistorical, that is not the primary definition and is certainly is not an "alternate view of history". That is a incorrect application of the word. You cannot "debunk" myth unless there is a literal view of a myth such as in how many Christians view the Bible or how many Indians believe in the Mahabharata. In that instance the debunking is more of a debate between a literal religious view of history which is contorted to fit their model in the universe versus the real science of history. The definition of myth is: "a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events: "ancient Celtic myths". Greek Myths, Norse Myth, Native American Myth and so on. Myths in the proper context are these stories that illuminate the ongoing human experience of the inner self and the outer world, not relating history. I would highly recommend Bill Moyers interview with Joseph Campbell "The Power of Myth". kzitem.info?search_query=the+power+of+myth+joseph+campbell+bill+moyers+full
@straightfrom
3 жыл бұрын
Although the educational content of this video is very high, I'd also like to praise the quality of speech delivery and the relatively few cuts. Very good presentation.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@dazuk1969
3 жыл бұрын
if i had been asked when i was born "what history teacher do you want ?"...David Miano i would have said. I have learnt so much watching and listening to him. I really hope more folks sub and patreon (if you are able to) so we can all continue learning amazing history topics....thank you David.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I really am flattered. Thanks, Darren!
@dazuk1969
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity You are welcome David 👍
@AdvancedLiving
3 жыл бұрын
“Why would Egyptians spend the time and energy to make such a tomb?” And we live in a current society where we spend billions of dollars to make a stadium so people can play games in them. Once, about 15 years ago, I worked on Marc Benioff’s Hawaiian estate. It wasn’t the great pyramid, but it was close.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Ha yes. Can you imagine people in the far future wondering how we could possibly want to spend all that money on that?
@jeffcarroll6553
2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity I wonder that now. Or billions on weapons when throwing free rocks would achieve the same purpose.
@Ano-Nymous
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffcarroll6553 Indeed. Unfortunately our civilization came to a point where the business of 'trading' became somehow unhealthy and developed into a vicious circle.
@juansbarra405
Жыл бұрын
Since I found this channel I've become a true smug in historical conversation. People used just to dislike me, now they truly hate me. Highly recommended.
@willisverynice
3 жыл бұрын
I always like to point out when talking about logical fallacies that being successfully called out for a logical fallacy does not actually say anything about any claim you are arguing for or against.
@minimumriffage7520
3 жыл бұрын
This is true, and typically when someone is called out, they are automatically dismissed for every single one of their arguments, without any further investigation. Just because someone can debate, doesn't mean they are a good researcher.
@willisverynice
2 жыл бұрын
@Adam James sure but what’s that got to do with what I said?
@willisverynice
2 жыл бұрын
@Adam James again, you are not disagreeing with what I said at all. All I stated is that finding that an argument is bad/wrong does not disprove a conclusion. All you can state after deeming the argument invalid is to say that the conclusion has not been proven, you cannot say that the conclusion has been disproven, as many people try to do while arguing. Literally the last line of your comment explicitly agrees with the only argument I ever made here: “even if the conclusion happens to be correct”
@jelink22
2 жыл бұрын
Try making that argument in front of a judge and opposing counsel in a courtroom! Essentially, you are saying : "Your Honor, even if my argument is logically fallacious, that doesn't mean that my case is weak or utterly defective as a matter of fact or law." SNORT.
@jelink22
2 жыл бұрын
@@willisverynice As I said, if the entire purpose of your argument is to "prove" something or offer a strong case for your proposition, and you do not deliver....you lose. Maybe someone else will "prove" what you couldn't, but YOUR argument can no longer be considered as evidence , unless you come up with a new line of argument that avoids the fallacy.
@Finnishwhiteboy
3 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel right now and I wish I hadn’t. Because now I have to wait for part two!
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@FalkZad
3 жыл бұрын
Highly suggest watching previously uploaded videos, very informative and well researched
@Robert.Stole.the.Television
3 жыл бұрын
Before we get to fallacies in ancient history, I think we need to know how to detect them in comment sections.
@AdvancedLiving
3 жыл бұрын
Well, I watched this podcast once and these two dudes were REALLY convincing...
@kuklama0706
2 жыл бұрын
If it's intresting it's false.
@podemosurss8316
3 жыл бұрын
9:58 Not in Spain. In Spain the dictionaries only give words approved by the Royal Spanish Academy (RAE), which regulates the norm on how to write Spanish.
@djlehara
2 жыл бұрын
IVE BEEN PULLED AWAY FROM NORMAL TV AND DAILY NEWS BY DEFAULT, AND FOUND MYSELF DRAWN TO ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS. KUDOS BRO.
@TheatreofPhil
3 жыл бұрын
My partner used to make us watch Ancient Aliens (mostly because she enjoyed listening to me rip them apart), and one of the most obnoxious rhetorical dodges on the show is the "Is it possible that [insert stupid, insane premise for which there's no actual proof]? If ancient alien theorists are right, then [insert stupid, insane conclusion for which there's no actual proof." That drives me nuts.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
I know! They phrase it as a question to preserve some deniability.
@blueunicornhere
3 жыл бұрын
I once read michael shermer's book "why people believe weird things". The first chapter is about logical fallacies. The second and third chapters are michael shermer using those very fallacies to "debunk" things. It is a good exercise in spotting fallacies.
@neilfarrow1535
3 жыл бұрын
Isaw the Shermer, Rogan, Hancock and Carlson debate on the JRE show. Wow - for Shermer, someone who revels in exposing other people's mistakes, he sure made a few of his own. But, he did have the good grace to admit it and publicly broadcast that he had misrepresented Hancock. Which leaves us with 'who can we trust', when the de-bunkers get de-bunked?
@minimumriffage7520
3 жыл бұрын
@@neilfarrow1535 I would never describe anything said on the Joe Rogan podcast as a debate. I watched that episode, and Shermer was basically ganged up on by the other three. Shermer had some good points, but Hancock jumped on him for his lack of knowledge on several key things. That doesn't mean Shermer was de-bunked, it just means he wasn't prepared for the talking points. I am interested in what Hancock has to say, and he does some excellent field research which so many do not. However, Hancock uses so many different logical fallacies, his conclusions are problematic. That isn't to say his ideas are wrong, or that his research is wrong, but it's his conclusions about those ideas that gloss over so many other questions. He's a great storyteller, but he is not the gospel.
@neilfarrow1535
3 жыл бұрын
@@minimumriffage7520 Thanks for your reply. I think it was pretty clear that Shermer made mistakes so serious that he was forced to say "Yes, we did misrepresent you there..." . But this was not regarding things that were said in the show, this was regarding things Shermer had previously published. It was also clear, as you say, that Shermer was not up to date on the subject matter that they had come to debate, particularly Gobeckli Tepe. . I find that a bit extraordinary, because the academic papers about that have been coming out since the 1990s. This was what they had all come to discuss, so there really is no excuse for coming so un-prepared. To Shermers credit, however, he has since highlighted research to Hancock on Twitter that supports Hancock's claims! How noble is that? I agree with you about Hanckcock's claims and ideas, logical fallacies etc, Also, he relies on dated research a lot, but as he himself says, he's a reporter, not a scientist nor an archaeologist.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
@@neilfarrow1535 Hancock plagiarizes nazi Thule society Mythology. And you fall for his rascist myths.
@neilfarrow1535
Жыл бұрын
@@pranays Oh dear - another woke nutcase. Peddle your race baiting ideology with someone else.
@nedmuggeridge1320
3 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel, it's awesome. Great stuff guys, keep it up!
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and welcome!
@jackb4
3 жыл бұрын
That one dislike is from someone who advocates for ancient high technology.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Probably.
@russellmillar7132
3 жыл бұрын
And/or someone who routinely uses logical fallacies to make their arguments. I took a logic 101 course in 1971. I had no idea at that time how useful the listing and defining of the informal fallacies of logic would be.
@haknys
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, learning so much. You should have allot more subscribers.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
Total should have way more subscribers
@undeadbaron5282
3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff to be aware of, makes conversations more fruitful in my oppinion. Looking forward to next part!
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
This was Carl Sagan and James Randy's legacy. We need more of them now more than ever. Thank you for taking up this torch.
@scribeslendy595
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic vid! I appreciate you giving specific examples of these fallacies, makes it easier to know what to look for when reading/writing
@Brokenlance
3 жыл бұрын
I practice a sport called HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) which tries to recreate the martial fighting styles of the early middle ages into the early modern era and even into the mid 19th century. For the earlier time periods, we turn to old fight manuscripts (fechtbuchen(?) in German) that were written by fencing masters of the time, as well as art and iconography to try and piece the puzzle together. Many of these kinds of arguments come up constantly in discussion, Such as even though there are hundreds of paintings and illustrations of knights fighting in full armor with sword and shield, but few references to this in the majority of the manuscripts we've rediscovered, the argument comes up that "well, since it's not in the manuscripts, the art is incorrect!" or vice versa. Very interesting topic with very helpful advice to not only help me in debates, but to make sure I can check myself and keep things honest.
@cameronbartlett6593
3 жыл бұрын
And when in doubt......just throw rocks!!
@tree_relics
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! You did it! Keep up the great work!
@perceivedvelocity9914
3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing what people can craft with skill, basic hand tools and a little brute strength. Highly advanced tool's are not required to work wood and stone. After my grandfather retired he taught himself how to sculpt through trial and error. I watched him hand craft things that some people claim could only be made with modern technology. No, he did not build a pyramid but he showed me that those materials can be worked by hand. Their is no reason why our ancestors could not do that.
@KurticeYZreacts
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I didnt know alot of the technical terms or meanings behind them. 👍
@theresiakreutzer
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't know that! Thanks for enlightening me, might be helpful in some arguments I currently have...
@captainsensiblejr.
Жыл бұрын
My favourite example of conspiracy theory culture ass hattery was the conspiracy theatre channel that had a post about the largest fortress in the Americas that was built on top of a mountain in Haiti, by the ex-slaves who had rebelled and overthrown French rule. The conspiracy theorist said that the Haitians (ex-slaves) could not possibly have built it because they were not architects or stone masons And that it must have been an ancient advanced civilisation because there was no way that the Haitians could hauled tens of thousands of tons of rock up to the top of the mountain to build the fortress's. I pointed out that: 1) there was no advanced civilisation ,because the French did not report a gigantic fortress on the mountain whem they arrived 2) if it was built by a local civilisation, it was an amazing coincidence that their architectute was EXACTLY the same as late 18th century French architectute 3)contemporary records state the ex-slaves built the fort on the mountain 4) since the ex- slaves also built all the stone buildings in Haiti, including forts guarding sea ports, there would be those among them who had developed greatly developed stone masonry skills 5) the issue about needing to haul tens of thousands of tons of rock up the mountain was not an issue because the mountain, oddly enough, is MADE OF ROCK.
@tresilewis5925
3 жыл бұрын
Love your style, and continue to benefit from your prodigious intelligence.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Chris.Davies
3 жыл бұрын
It is indeed a shame that schools never teach the fine ability to distinguish fact from fantasy. It seems people are never taught about Occam's Razor. Also, it seems that many of today's human beings feel vastly superior to our ancestors despite there being absolutely no difference between people today, people 5,000 years ago, people 10,000 years ago - or indeed people 50,000 years ago. All those people are us. Dirtier, unhealthier, and much sadder than us - for sure - but they are us! That many modern people reject the achievements of our ancestors as "unbelievable" simply shows how poorly educated those people are, and what terrible mental lapses they are capable of. It is a genuine indictment against the schooling in the countries where such beliefs are common. Like the USA, for example - where 40% of the population still believe the biblical story of Genesis, and who reject evolution entirely. Such people are hurting the human race. Dumbing it down, and spreading stupid falsehoods.
@oliver6354
3 жыл бұрын
Getting into formal logic teaches why you shouldn’t believe contradictions- from a contradiction, you can be logically led to believe anything. Fallacies/ sophistry produce contradictions readily, as they necessarily convince you without reason.
@skjaldulfr
Жыл бұрын
I always keep my eyes peeled for phalluses when I'm in an ancient sculpture collection.
@Bryon1187
3 жыл бұрын
"Those tools were destroyed in the cataclysm." 🤣🤣🤣
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣
@davidcaldecoat7414
2 жыл бұрын
Very informative David 👍
@pcatful
6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for your work! I would like to see an independent poll of what people believe about ancient history now. It seems history is being “rewritten” by the internet and MOST people are going to be convinced of things that have no solid justification-and it will become a religious issue (besides those already deluded due to religious beliefs). Eventualy teachers will be persecuted for teaching prevailing archeological consensus.
@blueunicornhere
3 жыл бұрын
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Correlation does not imply causation.
@mrobert2707
3 жыл бұрын
Well done sir
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@s.w.4409
3 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel. Good stuff!
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@Ano-Nymous
2 жыл бұрын
With content like that it's even more obvious that alternate historians despite their claim to be "open-minded" are not just stuck in their mindset, but refuse to leave their tunnel vision. People need to realize that they are lured into false assertions on purpose. Catched by interest into the topic and a narrator you could express sympathy for people fall for the trap and drop all their scepticism. There's nothing wrong about working theories if you put them on the test, do your research and use the results to come to a possible conclusion. It's something completely different to dismiss the previous achievements and bring up false claims although knowing better. This is exactly what is happening with most of these alternate history channels, because they generate profit from it. Beside their payed content and their Patreon supporters you can even go on a guided tour with your favourite -cult leader- content creator. Combinded with the possibilities of todays social media platforms "science" received a hard blow. Somehow this reminds me of elections in the US where (for an outsider) it seems that sympathy for a candidate wins over arguments. Everybody who ever was in a toxic relationship knows that emotions are hard to fight, but it's possible. Just keep fighting!
@tkgsingsct
3 жыл бұрын
Help debunking the "Megolithic Era" hypothesis that's so frequently accepted as a given. Proud Patreon supporter! Also, I'm team pro-beard: GROW it OUT 👍👍👍👍
@podemosurss8316
3 жыл бұрын
I really like this video. Your advices also apply to many other fields. Thanks.
@FalkZad
3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos!
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@fordprefect80
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Are those two Oscar awards on your shelf?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Ha, I wish! No, those are just work awards.
@LVSJT
3 жыл бұрын
So much truth here. Sometimes I feel like you're a smarter version of me; better spelling out my thoughts and putting them into more coherent words. I recently viewed a video where it was suggested that ancient Minoan and contemporary Saami civilization derived from the same people because a "tooth" pattern (common in sewing for practical reasons) outlined a Minoan drawing and Saami knife sheath. And yes, we've all seen the video where a roll of twine and piece of copper are shown to the narration.... "Could the Egyptians have made the pyramids with this?" For those who appreciate logical history with a fun, light hearted approach, I cannot recommend Bob Brier enough. He's all over KZitem. Coming at this from another angle: Observing the appeal of garbage history nowadays might be useful in understanding how history has been mangled in the past. I call it the "Graham Hancock effect." Most folks prefer a good story. Great video again And the beard! _HUZZAH!!_
@Siska0Robert
3 жыл бұрын
"Most folks prefer a good story." I see more and more people interested in Alternative Theories who simply ignore everything that historians and archaeologists have to say on the topic, simply assuming that 'history is stolen', therefore it's a fair game for any wild fantasies. It almost seems like these people are not really interested in actual history at all... I'm still hoping for an episode on 'the evil Smithsonian institute'! It's one of the most-repeated claims I see.
@LVSJT
3 жыл бұрын
I see where you're going, however it isn't always appropriate to assume that professional historians and archeologists are correct. I'm not familiar with theories about the Smithsonian institute. Most of what I've seen from S.I. is solid stuff, however it is subject to political pressures like anyplace else. Not long ago, I read a piece in Smithsonian magazine that gave support to the idea that Viking culture was replete with female warriors (and possibly trans people!) because of the Birka burial. Without going into detail, it's absurd and illustrates how even established outfits of historical research are subject to pressures beyond the search for objective history.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
If we ourselves are not versed very well in a subject, the best approach is to assume that the professionals are correct. They may not be, but without sufficient knowledge to be able to judge, we would be overestimating our own abilities to assume a fringe or minority opinion is right.
@LVSJT
3 жыл бұрын
I agree for the most part, however there are times when it's fair for amateurs to question the majority or plurality of professional opinion. The Birka burial is a great example. I strongly suspect that if a random sampling of professional historians were to offer their opinion on that issue (and I'll make this theoretical scenario anonymous, so they'd have no fear of being called misogynists) they would overwhelmingly agree that these remains do not logically lead to the conclusion that female warriors and warlords were common in Viking culture. But this narrative has been pushed strongly by people who wish that were so. It's an example of politically motivated people creating an absurd edifice of historical narrative, and more serious historians keeping their heads down for fear of being on the "wrong side" of things. This phenomenon has become much more common with the proliferation of specific demographics studies.... gender studies, women's studies, African studies... etc.... where the emphasis is not on objectively looking at evidence and allowing it to speak to them so much as looking to history for confirmation of preconceived ideas. For instance, you'll never hear a gender studies professor claim that in the heavy majority of cultures throughout the heavy majority of history, only 2 genders have been acknowledged, or an African studies professor entertain the idea that neolithic technology doesn't seem to have been first brought to the Nile by the ancestors of bantu people. It's not dissimilar to theologians discussing history. In many cases a PhD isn't an indication objective understanding on a topic.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
The example you are giving is of an opinion that was wrong and was changed. That happens in history (and science) all the time. But since the uninformed person has insufficient knowledge of the subject and cannot possibly know whether the pros are right or wrong, it is best to go with the consensus, and then when they are shown to be wrong, change with them. And I emphasize the word "consensus," as no single professional alone can or should be trusted. It's the opinion of the historical community that counts. The same for studies. A single study, or even a couple of studies, does not establish a consensus. They therefore cannot be used by themselves to form any reliable opinion. Everything has to undergo peer review.
@Eigil_Skovgaard
2 жыл бұрын
SERAPEUM Personally I am looking forward to your extended examination of the granite boxes in Serapeum in Egypt. I would like to know from an expert like yourself how you think those boxes were made. With which tools could the ancient Egyptians have accomplished the perfection at hand - and not least for which purpose do you think the boxes were made? Maybe you have already been inside one of the boxes to make your own investigation, measuring, taking notes and images. I am exited to watch and listen to the result. Please don't make the episode too short. We need at least 45 minutes for you to beat others superficial covering.
@InquisitorThomas
3 жыл бұрын
Nubs on their building stones? My god… people in the past were building with Legos!
@nebulan
3 жыл бұрын
I got a false dichotomy this week from someone saying "science has been wrong about things so they are wrong about Atlantis." Their example was potential dna link between ancient South Americans and ancient Australians. They literally said "if that means native Americans didn't come over the land bridge ... " like one piece if a study replaces all the archeological and genetic evidence that native Americans descended from travelers who came over the bering land bridge. It doesn't have to be either/or.
@mustafadarweesh7763
3 жыл бұрын
Do a video about Serapeum in Egypt you will surprise
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
I did! Check out my Precision video.
@podemosurss8316
3 жыл бұрын
8:29 Well, the kings of Castile called themselves "Emperor of Spain" centuries before Spain was unified...
@ddddavid1956
2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Phaistos find? There seems to be many issues of authenticity that leave it in an unproven status.
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/w3dvp6t_fZx4jGk
@randywise5241
Жыл бұрын
I would thing the "power tools" would have been found rusting in the flood layer by now. So far all I have seen is a possible sparkplug thing.
@stinkoman301
3 жыл бұрын
What if, as is the case with many memes, people are making bad faith, politics, actual insanity, or monetarily driven false claims.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Could be!
@stinkoman301
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity I mean when it comes to conspiratorial claims not mainstream academic theory. How do you debate with someone who isnt interested in debate or evidence? I would argue the monetary interest driven by ad revnue due to the popularity of Ancient Alien is a difficult force to counter as long as finacial incentives drive bad faith narratives.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Well, the argument is chiefly for the viewers, not really for the person you are talking to. Still, one never knows.
@michaelsmyth3935
2 жыл бұрын
Circular Reasoning, the Great Reset comes to mind. 10:00
@scienceexplains302
3 жыл бұрын
World of Antiquity “Examine everything about those cultures”. I don’t have your experience or training , but I would think it usually not possible to examine everything about a past culture. My advice to someone too readily linking cultures would be to seek 1) differences (e.g., in the spirit of trying to disprove your hypothesis) and 2) possible common causes of similar features. For example, if two cultures build pyramids, one possible explanation is that the pyramid is about the sturdiest structure possible, one that any primitive culture might favor. Almost the same with mounds. How would that approach work?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Those are valuable elements to investigate. But yes, it is possible to examine all of the characteristics of a material culture. It might take a few months, but it's entirely doable.
@themaskedman5954
3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video regarding the race controversy of ancient egyptians?
@FalkZad
3 жыл бұрын
There is no controversy, we wuz kangs is a silly meme nothing more
@themaskedman5954
3 жыл бұрын
@@FalkZad bro there is controversy
@TheMoneypresident
3 жыл бұрын
Everything on two feet has been in Egypt.
@themaskedman5954
3 жыл бұрын
@Ooki Cooki Yeah both afrocentrics and eurocentrics go to the extreme that is why I asked Miano to address this issue
@pavlosjoller4324
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@misuvittupaa8068
3 жыл бұрын
This was fun.
@oubliette862
2 жыл бұрын
this was good stuff, very nice. is there anything ancient thats unexplainable, or a more valid mystery from the side of legit science?? alternate history is to me a pseudoscience, an intellectual oubliette at best lol. the nub thing had me puzzled for awhile, but my thoughts were the same as the older guy you interviewed regarding the polygonal stonework. i noticed some megaliths in japan that had fine cuts that seems interesting. i wouldnt call it precise by modern standards, but very skilled work for sure.
@andreaarchaeology
3 жыл бұрын
Looking great in yellow, Dr. Miano! (And of course the content is aces, as usual.)
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if someone would mention my yellow shirt!
@comentedonakeyboard
2 жыл бұрын
Insuficient logic is a problem from ancient history to Trekkie debates.
@Chris.Davies
3 жыл бұрын
3:23 - isn't this just the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@davidmiller9485
2 жыл бұрын
I really wish you had covered the most common misstep i see these days, Whataboutism.
@chrisharwood2407
3 жыл бұрын
Very good, but how do you explain the mysteries?
@dr.zoidberg8666
2 жыл бұрын
Through lots of hard work & peer reviewed study. That's the thing about scholarship of _any_ kind: you're on the frontier between the known & the unknown & you've got to be comfortable with that... After all, that's the whole job; to research unknown things & learn anything new that you can, then put what you learned to the test against the scrutiny of your equally well qualified peers. You can't simply make up ideas & explanations that _seem_ right... That's mythology, not knowledge.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
Something that people claim are mysteries aren't really mysterious anymore. Most psuedoarchaeology uses very out of date and rather rascist sources.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
@@dr.zoidberg8666 great explanation
@RhodeIslandWildlife
3 жыл бұрын
I've been married twice, i'm an expert on the subject. Just make sure the presenters keep their clothes on at all times. and don't let them talk you into removing any.
@randywise5241
Жыл бұрын
Sensationalism sells. boring facts take time to absorb. "It could happen."- The Simpsons did it.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
When gen X was young the most popular shows on history Channel was "Ancient Engineering" and "What the Ancients did for us". They have made a choice to promote debunked rascist myths in the last few decades.
@upon-fe2720
3 жыл бұрын
This is University thinking, it's strange how Universities cover all bases isn't it?
@twonumber22
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like you could do a convincing Martin Short impression.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Haha or vice versa.
@russellmillar7132
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah dude you could do an impression of Martin Short impersonating you...wait...or vice versa!
@DarrellWeavercom
2 жыл бұрын
I take exception to his well founded argument that aliens didn't create all ancient structures around the world when we all know that our Anunnaki Reptilian Overlords actually helped the ancient citizens of Atlantis and they shared their knowledge...duh!
@thylacinenv
3 жыл бұрын
Your persuasive logic is immaculate but here is the mystery, how was your presentation interrupted by an advertisement on the benefits of ear wax removal?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Haha I guess someone is assuming my audience needs that.
@TheSmitho1984
3 жыл бұрын
Occam's razor and hictams dictum
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's "Hickam's" :)
@Joe-King
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's *biggest* 😎😉
@TarpeianRock
Жыл бұрын
My favourite : correlation is not causation.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
It's "correlation does not always equal causation." Completely different meaning.
Pregaru does a lot if strawmen. Oversimplifies dramatically that it is completely different.
@vaibhav1618
3 жыл бұрын
There's "alternative history" folk?!
@616Susi
3 жыл бұрын
Challenge Matthew LaCroix
@montestout1006
3 жыл бұрын
Dr Dv , word of mouth
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
What about word of mouth?
@montestout1006
3 жыл бұрын
Word of mouth was the social media back then?
@bigcityman7263
Жыл бұрын
Is it a coincidence that all ancient societies chose pyramids as their place to worship their god? Or bury their dead? I just think it’s wierd diffrent continents made the same building.
@varyolla435
Жыл бұрын
Okay. Let's think about that. 1 - ancient peoples believed in various deities. Many of these deities tended to reside = is the sky. 2 - meanwhile as a consequence you see in cultures the inference of say mountains having religious significance. An example would be the Greeks whose own patheon were supposed to have existed = on top of Mount Olympus. 3 - we can therefore conclude that ancient people ascribed "greatest" to tall objects - be they natural or manmade. 4 - so what is a "pyramid"?? Answer: a simple geometric shape which has the added benefit of being structurally stable. It is really little more than blocks stacked one atop another in a tapering fashion. Give a child with no understanding of geometry blocks to play with and in time using "pattern recognition" they will eventually create pyramidal shapes. Conclusions: pyramids are basically "man made mountains" if you will. They confer strength/greatness in their creation and they dovetail into ancient religious beliefs vis a vis their Gods resided far about mere man in the Sky - or perhaps under the sea or ground. After all man's deities typically were found in places where he himself could not go.
@bigcityman7263
Жыл бұрын
@@varyolla435 great answer
@barbojohnsung7113
3 жыл бұрын
Well, I am sorry David but Egyptology does it all in regards of the Giza plateau.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Can you give me an example?
@barbojohnsung7113
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity Yep! Sure, here's one. Disclaimer: I am suggesting some discrepancies that may have some explanation, after all. If I speak out is only because this is still nonsense to me after I researched. If you can please address this one, I'll sleep better tonight. I am all for rational explanations, but I need a rational explanation. hasty generalization: egyptology says that there are many reasons to believe the egyptians of the IV dynasty were perfectly capable of working hard stones with their primitive technology - very efficient ways that we can't even imagine. I believe that with no problems. They also argue there are paintings of people pulling the big pharaoh statue and whatsoever it was found to corroborate the idea that they could materially build it. So they reduce it to a matter of technical feasibility. They say there is no doubt they could build the pyramids of Giza, somehow, therefore they built it and they built it during the reign of Khufu. 20 or so years. But have anyone ever considered other aspects, for instance whether the time available was enough or not? Were twenty years enough to quarry, sculpt, transporting, set up for fieldworks and pulling up to position all the 2,4 million blocks which minimum weight is 2.5t? And build the ramp, alongside? Calculations were made (I'd warmly suggest the book to you, if only it was available in your language) and the outcomes are just hilarious, like it would take 40 years for only pulling the stones to the correct level without setting them in place - and the result is this little only because who ran the mathematical experiment selected to keep conservative numbers. 40 years without considering the external coating as well as all the other phases, especially quarrying millions of limestone blocks and a hundred thousands granite blocks with bronze tools. Counterproof is the work in the sixties at Abu Simbel where they dismantled and re-build two temples some hundred meters from there because of a flood. They performed every activity with modern technology and machinery and working 24/24. It took about three years (1095 days) only to cut (which is easier than quarry and carve), move and re-set in place the 1035 stone blocks weighing from 20 to 30 tons each. Hour count was 26,280 hours, therefore they needed 25 hours for each stone. If we consider the Great Pyramid, among the 2,4 million stones there are about 46,000 that are at least as heavy as the Abu Simbel blocks and therefore comparable to those at Abu Simbel. If we apply the modern man outcome (25 hours/stone) to the number of alike blocks present in the great pyramid (meaning that we consider all the blocks as 20T blocks, even those that are heavier), we have 25 x46,000= 1,168,000 hours = 133 years. If we assume that at the time of Khufu they worked 12 hours per day, the year count is 266. If we listen to egyptology that states that works were going on only during the three months of the wet season, year count is up to 1064. I read critically and I think these numbers they present make sense. They are based on simple calculations as well as - I reiterate - conservative numbers. So this is why I think Khufu didn't build the great pyramid and why I believe Egyptology makes hasty generalisations to keep the current narrative about the Giza plateau valid. David, thanks for your attention. What do you think? P.S. is it true that the Goyon's spiral ramp theory is based on the assumption of friction = 0 (which is a nonsense), otherwise the high number of workers needed for pulling wouldn't fit the ramp specs he used? Do you confirm this? If so, how would you name this mainstream fallacy? Possible proof without proof?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
@@barbojohnsung7113 Your question about how long it would take is a worthy one, but I wouldn't call the claim that the 4th dynasty Egyptians built the Great Pyramid a "hasty generalization," because every detail and every question, including yours, has been gone over many times. I myself have answered it at least twice in the comments section of my videos. Here is what I wrote to another commenter: "The average weight of the stones was 2.5 tons. And let's say it took 10 men with ropes and pulleys to put one stone into place, and it took them 15 minutes to place a single stone. That means 10 men could do 4 stones per hour. If there were 1,000 men working on stone placement, it would have taken a total of 6,250 hours or 260 days. If they worked only 12 hours a day, it would have taken 520 days total." I think there would be plenty of time to get the job done with the workforce that they had. Remember, different people were working on different parts of the project at the same time. Keep in mind that the blocks of the Great Pyramid were much lighter than the ones moved at Abu Simbel, and the placement did not have to be (and wasn't) perfect. Plus there were far fewer people working at Abu Simbel. As for the spiral ramp theory, I don't know enough about it to answer your question. I don't subscribe to it myself.
@barbojohnsung7113
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity I wish I could translate the book faster than I am actually doing just to have you read it. I can't be abundant in argumenting in the KZitem comment section as I wish. I only have to say that the book I read features a 40 page discussion about stone motion and I can't be convinced with your brief calculation. The one thing that I can't help asking you is where did you find that 10 man could pull a 2,5 T block? It takes 78 men to pull a 2,5T stone block at a 3,5° inclination. this was the egyptologist Goyon's base assumption in his spiral ramp works (Le secret des batisseurs des grandes pyramides) and he got that number scientifically. Can you link me a paper or anything that shows differently?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
@@barbojohnsung7113 I was talking about the placement of the blocks, not the transport of the blocks from the bottom to the top, which would be occurring simultaneously. But even so, why would it take 78 men? That's ridiculously high number. Here is an article that you may find interesting: sci-hub.do/doi.org/10.1061/(ASCE)CO.1943-7862.0000373
@olysvenson8464
3 жыл бұрын
The stories and fallacies of the professionals are so ridiculous no thinking human can accept them. The evidence against their hypothesis are mounting with the tech available to common man.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Can you give me an example of one of their fallacies?
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
So you think debunked rascist myths from the 19th and early 20th century are going to be proven correct? 100 years after they were proven to be rascist lies they will be proven to be rascist truths? 🤣😂🤦♂️
@immature4hisage
3 жыл бұрын
Good info. Bad beard.
@gjohnson7811
2 жыл бұрын
All these fallacies are commonly used by historians as well. It gets dressed up a bit but it's still there. If you have limited data people resort to making stuff up the more they look for what they want to see the more they find it.
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
Can you give us some examples?
@gjohnson7811
2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity The dating framework provided by radiocarbon led to a change in the prevailing view of how innovations spread through prehistoric Europe. Researchers had previously thought that many ideas spread by diffusion through the continent, or by invasions of peoples bringing new cultural ideas with them. As radiocarbon dates began to prove these ideas wrong in many instances, it became apparent that these innovations must sometimes have arisen locally. This has been described as a "second radiocarbon revolution", and with regard to British prehistory, archaeologist Richard Atkinson has characterized the impact of radiocarbon dating as "radical ... therapy" for the "progressive disease of invasionism"
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
@@gjohnson7811 That's all true, but I am not seeing a logical fallacy in there anywhere.
@gjohnson7811
2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity Unfortunately these historians didn't make helpful KZitem videos displaying which fallacy they used to come to the wrong conclusion so you have me there.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
@@gjohnson7811 r Translation: I have no evidence for my assertion.
@blueunicornhere
3 жыл бұрын
I overheard a guy lecturing about climate change and he actually said, "10,000 scientists can't be wrong". My thought was, "there are a million frenchmen that disagree"
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
Well the scientists have supporting data. And the French are far ahead of the US on climate policies. And the conservatives lost the French election.
@charlesgallagher1376
2 жыл бұрын
Before Gobekli Tepe was discovered, the experts wouldn’t think it possible. Just the quality of the stone carving shows me “hunter/gather culture isn’t what you think it was. It was much more advanced.
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
*Before Gobekli Tepe was discovered, the experts wouldn’t think it possible.* I would be very surprised if you could find a single expert before Gobekli Tepe was found, who ever said monumental architecture of the type found there wasn't possible. My guess is that you heard someone say that experts used to say this, but you never actually heard an expert say it. What experts would have said was: "We have no evidence to suggest that people were building on this level at that time." And that would have been true. *Just the quality of the stone carving shows me “hunter/gather culture isn’t what you think it was. It was much more advanced.* What people think a hunter/gatherer culture was is a group of people who hunted and gathered. It is a description ONLY of their food acquisition and not anything else.
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
Wrong archeology already discovered stoneage megalithic architecture, and art including stone carvings.
@charlesgallagher1376
Жыл бұрын
But when Hancock or others say the possibility of advanced prehistoric cultures you poo poo it. I guess because you have no evidence of that. But before digging Gobekli Tepe you didn’t see that coming. Keep an open mind, new discoveries happen.
@oldluke7653
3 жыл бұрын
This guy is scared
@davehanrahan13
3 жыл бұрын
Ho I know a logical fallacy how about dating a temple let's say Baalbek through contaminated data below it and let's say a time stamp through one carving above it, and then let's apply the said structure to a group of people who didn't even acknowledge it in there own history even though it was one of there greatest engineering feats, is that a logical fallacy 🤔
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Which logical fallacy is that? Can you name it? I can name two in your own comment: (1) Straw Man and (2) Argument from Silence. The way you describe the dating of Baalbek is a straw man, because it oversimplifies how it is dated and leaves out vital information. And your statement that the Romans didn't acknowledge it is an argument from silence, because it expresses a conclusion based on the absence of evidence. How do you know the Romans didn't acknowledge it?
@davehanrahan13
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity here we go again with the circles, defining your own arguments by drawing up the rules, we can see just by ipso facto that the Romans knew nothing of the site until evidence is found to contradict other wise we can make the assumption the evidence does not exist, as an example just ask Trump how he faired in court over election fraud 60+ court cases lost 😉
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Were you planning on answering any of my questions, or no?
@davehanrahan13
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity didn't know we where having a Q & A though this was a video on spotting logics fallacies like you make with temple one at Baalbek, but I see you are setting the ground rules again,
@davehanrahan13
3 жыл бұрын
By the way I thought it was a rhetorical question
@GregoryJByrne
3 жыл бұрын
Every 13,000 years half the 26,000 year Precession/Great Year/Yugas (Younger Dryas, Gobekli tepe, Melt water pulse 1A/1B, Continental glaciers, Atlantis's etc etc) our solar system crosses over our galaxies electromagnetic/Gravitational plane/equator. Even more bad news we are in the 5th precession cycle out of 7 cycles so we are approaching perihelion with the galactic bulge as evidenced by magnetic north being at 23.7. The GALACTIC Milankovitch cycles cause our climate cycles. Precession/Great Year/Yugas crossing the galactic plane causes Continental glaciers with lower sea levels (Dwarka, Atlantis's) brought on by East to West Global Tsunami's (Gobekli tepe, Younger Dryas) that freeze into the continental glaciers Eccentricity with the galactic bulge regulates ice age/tropical age. With our current eccentricity being at perihelion tropical age. Covid1984 like CO2 is a LIE built upon an inconvenient truth. Covid being the baby Boomers turning into the Seniors Bust due to the usual suspects of seasonal Flu/Pneumonia and old age. The mask/Mark of the beast is just a pretext for the FINAL SOLUTION to the Goylim/Gentile problem. Jesus loved all races because there is only one race with only one minority. HUMAN race INDIVIDUAL human!
@pranays
Жыл бұрын
Delusional rant. Try and stay on subject next time.🤡✝️
@inept_
3 жыл бұрын
i wish you would go back to uploading history videos instead of debunking videos
@jdnw85
3 жыл бұрын
Very few people is debunking the charlatans, we need more people doing so, not less.
@eightfootmanchild
3 жыл бұрын
Studying history - or anything, really - is worthless without a foundation in critical thinking.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
You mean my travel videos? I have to get back to traveling first. Just waiting for things to open up.
@damaracarpenter8316
3 жыл бұрын
@@jdnw85 I agree! We need more educated folk combatting the misinformation 💙💙💙💙
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