Hey all, I hope you find this video helpful. At the end of the day, you can choose to do whatever you want with your money but I do find that many brands that have tactics that match what is discussed in this video tend to prey on less informed buyers. For those more seasoned collectors, I would love to hear your tips in the comments below as well.
@bobiscool1018
4 жыл бұрын
Translation: don’t kill the messenger, but some brands are hot garbage - don’t waste your money.
@antshant1
4 жыл бұрын
Some fashion brands do create really good designs and and that's why I see value in them. However there are some which are big rip-off like DW where the entire watch range has just one copied design and are priced as good as a low end Seiko or citizen. As you have said this space has gone unnoticed and thus many people falling prey to marketing tactics.
@bluelabel222
4 жыл бұрын
Should all buyer think like a collector tho 🤔
@culinarykid92
4 жыл бұрын
I almost bought a dual time MVMT a year ago. I wanted an automatic watch and almost missed the quartz part on the tiny hidden specs of the watch. I decided to buy a GShock Neon Tokyo solar watch since I didn't want to change a battery and couldn't stomach paying for what I wanted in a watch. Lume hands, no day function (date is acceptable), dual time, and blue face. The closest I found at the time was Seiko Presage (but no lume or dual time) or Certina DS Action GMT (not blue). I was actually tempted to get the Sakura Cocktail time because of the textured dial (even though it was white). I did pick up a Citizen Nighthawk in the blue dial with red text and love the two watches. Buying 2 quartz watches for the price of an automatic I would like was worth it for me to find what I love in a watch. Now that I know about watches due to mainly you, I know I would love a Mido Multifort Dual Time in blue. But the GShock is fantastic as a beater watch for me being in the kitchen at work. For now though, the Citizen will be my dress watch. So thank you for all the FREE information.
@NA-sq1qs
4 жыл бұрын
@@bluelabel222 no but do you ever really want a piece of garbage watch?
@umuterdem9317
4 жыл бұрын
Rule number one of spotting poorly made watches : If a brand tell that it is luxury itself it’s actually not stay away from it !
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
The watch equivalent of calling yourself smart to try to prove you are smart as a human haha
@TheTownWatch
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@Aemdz8
4 жыл бұрын
The only brand I'd say is an exception is Frederique Constant, they always say they're affordable luxury and I agree 100%
@mimmo2341
4 жыл бұрын
@P M B Correct
@davidteer80
4 жыл бұрын
@P M B those and many many others
@tusharchipra4834
4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for such a honest video to bust the tall claims from these brands. I'm a regular viewer of your videos and I luv the way u give unbiased opinions on the watches. Tushar. India
@kingnothing2586
4 жыл бұрын
Very good video, especially for those just starting with this hobby. Well done, Teddy
@RATBURL
3 жыл бұрын
I have several Invicta watches and some are on the cheap side and others are pretty nice for the price. Never had a problem with them.
@jackbarker5639
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Great video
@Eseqko
4 жыл бұрын
I personally don’t care much for the idea of luxury, but just don’t get ripped off either. For the price of a DW or Vincero watch, there are better Orients and Seiko watches at the price. Some start getting into Tissot territory which is kinda crazy for a Japanese quartz watch.
@michaelfierman3256
4 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe I’m not going to be a part of the “future of luxury...”
@edwardmullan2724
4 жыл бұрын
If the future of luxury is an Ali Baba watch, I’m happy to pass.
@softballm1991
4 жыл бұрын
The old adage, if you have to ask the price then you cannot afford it, the new adage if they tell you it is a LUXURY item then it is NOT.
@jarradmoore6939
3 жыл бұрын
@@softballm1991 that’s actual bollocks pal.....I ask the price because funnily enough I want to know the price
@LucaPizzoplus
2 жыл бұрын
@@softballm1991 I ask the price for every thing that I want to buy. Even if it's just a simple meal or a book. I don't want to buy overpriced things even if I can afford them. I don't think I would change even if I had a lot more money
@pistonburner6448
2 жыл бұрын
Also, I thought the watch was supposed to tell me the present time... A watch brand telling me they'll let me be part of some vague future sounds like their watches are waaayyyyy fast!
@kongmw
4 жыл бұрын
Unless you *are* the factory, "cutting out the middleman" = "i'm now the middleman".
@rlanger3108
4 жыл бұрын
True. Technically, Rolex and Omega don't have any middlemen.
@BoringUsername2K8
4 жыл бұрын
R Langer yes they do, their Authorised Dealers.
@franciscodanconia45
4 жыл бұрын
Captain Phillips...... “Look at me. I am the middleman now.”
@seabass3373
3 жыл бұрын
What if there was a watch brand that's named "Middleman"? Just a random thought
@mistermood4164
3 жыл бұрын
@@BoringUsername2K8 yes but now they're opening up their own stores
@ArnavSenguptaPlus
4 жыл бұрын
I still can't stop laughing that MVMT has chronographs which have no markers! That's just so darn hilarious! Also, affordable luxury is an oxymoron. Luxury implies it's not affordable and is not for the masses.
@CrookedNose2131
4 жыл бұрын
Considering that next to nobody will actually use the chronograph function on their watch when they can easily use a mobile, is it such a big deal?
@ach6791
4 жыл бұрын
@@CrookedNose2131 It's a chronograph. It should have that complication.
@dograishan8504
4 жыл бұрын
CrookedNose2131 I use Chrono all the time when cooking
@VictorDude98
4 жыл бұрын
I’d problably buy a Triwa, they just look really good imo and isnt too expensive
@hiyukelavie2396
4 жыл бұрын
Various "respectable" brands such as Oris, Longines, Tudor, etc have at various points in the past marketed themselves as affordable luxury It's hilarious how some people talk without knowing what they are talking about
@upan3259
4 жыл бұрын
"cutting out the middle man" when they themselves are basically the middle man.
@earthenjadis8199
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. When you consider "direct from the maker" is basically a workshop somewhere near Shanghai or Beijing.
@dannacht6827
4 жыл бұрын
@@earthenjadis8199 Sweatshop*
@kylewu5675
4 жыл бұрын
@@earthenjadis8199 I agree with your point but maybe not near Shanghai or Beijing, rather some small towns that most of you have never heard of.
@zqc8250
3 жыл бұрын
@@kylewu5675 煞笔
@ryanpeck3377
3 жыл бұрын
They cut out the middle man and keep the mark-up for themselves
@jonahhekmatyar
4 жыл бұрын
MVMT Chronograph: "my goals are beyond your understanding"
@Seqtopus
3 жыл бұрын
"Now is no time at all." -Thanos
@saijinkai
2 жыл бұрын
Mvmt: we are better than Rolex. The middlemen (dhl driver) takes 99.9% of the $. We cut him off so we can sell our watches to you for $300.
@JumpingWatermelons
2 жыл бұрын
MVMT Chronograph: "LOL, just count the seconds yourself this time"
@nycLPplayer
Жыл бұрын
Can't say I didn't set a record if you can't tell the time - Man Who Just Set the 100M Dash record based on MVMT Chrono readings
@robertnorth1681
4 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of companies need more real, natural light photos on their sites. Color inaccuracy is shocking.
@WatchUnwind
4 жыл бұрын
I agree, that is a huge problem when most people are going to buy watches online without seeing them in person first
@xx-----------xx873
4 жыл бұрын
Those photos are almost always renders.
@OffGridInvestor
3 жыл бұрын
I hate when you look on ebay and the "photos" AREN'T REAL but just something that is perfectly done on a CAD program/renders. No reflection or gloss on the crystal and everything is wrong. I mean if they are so good, WHY CAN'T SOMEONE get a photo with their phone or something?
@BruceCross
7 ай бұрын
True, color is a VERY critical factor in a watch buying decision. I always look like for real-life photos of people wearing the watch on their wrist -- both indoors and outdoors.
@doctoralgy8186
2 жыл бұрын
As a watch newbie, I cannot believe I ALMOST ended up sticking with a Michael Kors, a Vincero, and maybe a Fossil..... I am now the proud owner of a Citizen Brycen, Orient Kamasu, and a gorgeous black Seiko 5. I am happy.
@TristenApblanc
Жыл бұрын
Nice watches, good start to the collection.
@devu31
11 ай бұрын
You have no idea how much happier you are with "proper" watches
@agungpanggabean9047
22 күн бұрын
Congrats
@looseunit1615
4 жыл бұрын
I stick to well known older brands. Seiko or Citizen is what I can afford. For my money these brands for me are pretty safe to buy.
@TheTownWatch
4 жыл бұрын
Me too, I agree!
@zogzog1063
4 жыл бұрын
I can afford more expensive watches than Seiko or Citizen but they are the only two brands I own. I may venture to a Casio Oceanus. A bit like cars really - I am only interested in Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
@henryettoit897
4 жыл бұрын
dont forget casio. and its gshocks
@808drahciR
4 жыл бұрын
I freaken love my Seiko watches. In your same boat and totally agree.
@StuntpilootStef
4 жыл бұрын
Seiko is becoming more and more a fashion brand. Look at the SKX replacement. It has a marginally better movement, less water resistance and the same price! I would put current Seikos in the ones to avoid at this point.
@playstation2icon271
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for not making me feel bad for liking Seiko. Update: I splurged a little on a Seiko SKX 013 and Seiko Alpinist Prospex SPB117. Both my dream Seiko’s at the moment and even though I’m going to be paying off my credit for a few months, I wear them with pride ALL THE TIME. Thank you for the support pimps🤙
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
Seiko is a great at what they do. Love the brand!
@playstation2icon271
4 жыл бұрын
Teddy Baldassarre I was going to look into vincero, but I went deep into reading and watching videos like yours. No longer going to give them a shot. As of rn. Thanks teddy!
@15flute289
4 жыл бұрын
SBGA415 and the SBGA211 are my grail for Seiko, although I favor Winter over the Snowflake, check them out if you haven’t already
@TRUYORK718
4 жыл бұрын
Dont.
@playstation2icon271
4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Valentino hey there Anthony, it is. Sorry.
@YoungNewArtist
4 жыл бұрын
I love getting sponsored ads for these types of watches because I just roast them in the comments
@mrgumby552
4 жыл бұрын
Ooh never thought of that. Good move.
@smashexentertainment676
4 жыл бұрын
I constantly get ads on FB for all kind of crap. And if you scroll down enough, you find the watch has PTS movement +20/-40 seconds a day, 36h power reserve. Still people go for it. I don't get it.
@WatchUnwind
4 жыл бұрын
haha yeah it is always funny
@armandosantos8695
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this was more about raising awareness to the real value of fashion brands than how to tell if a watch is poorly made. I expected something more on the technical side, like how to tell good finishing from bad. If people know what is actual value in a watch the rest should follow.
@JumpingWatermelons
2 жыл бұрын
same here
@ZesPak
Жыл бұрын
Idd. This was more of an opinion piece to me than anything else. "they use aggressive internet marketing" "they use generic cheap movements" "their warranty might outlast the company" None of them really indicated that they were poorly made somehow.
@Alamina5.0
4 жыл бұрын
The only “fashion watch” I would have respect for is Fossil. They dont market their watches as luxury or anything and their designs are what they make.
@RooslanKhayrov
4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't care less about Fossil watch designs, but Fossil Group deserves respect for their support of Zodiac alone.
@user-xg6zz8qs3q
4 жыл бұрын
@@RooslanKhayrov I bet you have some fancy watch on your wrist. But the Fossil Forrester is a fine looking watch. It looks even better in person and comes in some cool colors.
@WatchUnwind
4 жыл бұрын
Funny you say that, I used to have a fossil dive style watch I picked up for around 40 bucks at a Marshalls and I used to get compliments on it all the time. More compliments on my Fossil than on my Longines. Also I used to swim with it all the time, no screw down crown and it worked fine everyday
@spenzalii
4 жыл бұрын
I have a Fossil Rutherford that I love. It's no Longines Heritage 1969, but it will do just fine.
@waremergencypower6024
4 жыл бұрын
Skagen is basically Fossil but more minimalist
@henrycollins2478
4 жыл бұрын
These all kinda give off cult like vibes
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t drink the kool-aid
@zayeemrahman8896
4 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBaldassarre what is your opinion of fossil as a brand & can you please make an in-depth video about a few of their offerings with details of the machinery they use & how reliable they are compared to the Citizen myota movent that you showed in this video? Please as a student whose budget is mostly around $70 dollars we don't have a lot to get maximum I can stretch my budget to a $ 100 & fossil gives an amazing offering for that price point but I wanted to know how reliable they are along the years to come
@zayeemrahman8896
4 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBaldassarre otherwise I would save up a bit more & just invest in a citizen because here in India they do come up in a good discount scheme twice in a year
@VinceRegan
4 жыл бұрын
Cults build communities using same tactics. "Sales language" is very similar.
@BadAssEngineering
4 жыл бұрын
Teddy "Im going into your headquarters and make you admit you sell alibaba watches out loud" Baldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😎😎
@BadAssEngineering
4 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBaldassarre When am i going to be allowed to join In House Movement on FB? :(
@GreenTeaViewer
4 жыл бұрын
link to that video?
@OffGridInvestor
3 жыл бұрын
Headquarters = moms basement.
@timmanion7459
4 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for someone on KZitem to do a video exactly like this . I've been collecting for many years and with the advent of internet it seems that new watch companies have sprung up all over . I'm particularly impressed with your age vs. the vast amount of horological knowledge that you've absorbed . I've been collecting since buying my first good watch ( a 5513 submariner I purchased in the main PX in Da Nang) in 1968. I've been fortunate to meet some extremely knowledgeable people thru my lifetime and have learned a lot , but find it refreshing to see someone so young that can still teach an old dog so much . Thanx for making this video and calling out the carpetbaggers.
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this comment Tim! I hope you hung onto that 5513 (I am sure you did). What an amazing watch.
@timmanion7459
4 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBaldassarre Thanx for your response to my comment. I think you're the first comment I've done . And yes , I still have that watch , as well as the Tudor sub that I was issued ( I was a frogman in the navy) and a Benrus Type 1, also isaued . It was those watches that actually started me on a lifelong passion . I've managed to collect a fair amount of peices over the years so as you can imagine, I'm beyond thrilled to see the appreciation of mechanical movements rising in much younger people the last 15 yrs or so . Anyway, it would seen that now that I've broken the ice the genie is out of the bottle . I apologize for my long winded essay. Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy and have learned from watching . All the best .
@cdl512
3 жыл бұрын
with the advent of the internet? you mean almost 30 years ago? ok boomer!
@timmanion7459
3 жыл бұрын
@@cdl512 don't get your point. Or maybe you didn't get mine . But I definitely get people that make comments like that.
@cdl512
3 жыл бұрын
@@timmanion7459 LOL ok boomer, I bet you still use a flip phone
@IRON_NIC
4 жыл бұрын
problem: the audience who follows your videos are already informed, unfortunately it's quite difficult for a newcomer to find a video such as this
@user-xg6zz8qs3q
4 жыл бұрын
It's probably for the best! Any regular Joe would just buy a DW for $200 and be content for many years. Watch collectors flushing money down the toilet with this hobby.
@donjon5442
4 жыл бұрын
000 001 If its a hobby that someone enjoys then how are they flushing money down the toilet ?
@xekantoine2479
4 жыл бұрын
I started to get interested in watches and this video was in my recommandations.
@TimmyTantrum
4 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely a noob, KZitem's algorithm did me right.
@OffGridInvestor
3 жыл бұрын
I JUST DID and I've been into watches for 2 weeks.
Fashion watch brands: The new middle men between Ali Express Drop Ship and the consumer.
@frankbick6953
3 жыл бұрын
My son learned a hard lesson when buying a Fillipo Loreti. He bought a blue/rose gold sport chronograph for $150 or so. When it finally arrived some months after he ordered it, it actually didn't look or feel too bad, but the 2-subdial chrono feature didn't work! Like, at all--pushers did nothing. I told him to return it and get his money back. After some sketchy back-and-forth emails with them, the said they'd refund his money once the received it back. Return address was some eastern European country. So he shipped it back at a cost of around $35-$40. About 8 months later, it came back unopened in box he shipped it in with some label from USPS saying it was undeliverable! What a scam! He has since been happily collecting G-Shocks.
@hunholee9543
4 жыл бұрын
man, i remember when people were posting their DW on instagram like it was the most luxurious watch they ever bought. Honestly, starting somewhere is better than nothing though. I remember looking back when I was young, I was going crazy because my watches were constantly breaking (they were cheap watches from a random deli, or target, etc). That got me to start doing some research behind what makes a good watch - > youtube - > then the watch universe lol. It's been real and every once in a while, just taking a glance at my collection brings a smile :) still young tho, now aiming to get beyond entry luxury (oris) and into more omega seamaster 300 and rolex explorer 1 :O
@hoihoi12250
4 жыл бұрын
Omg when I was 13 there was a little shop on a cart at the mall that sold little snap on plastic digital watches for 10 dollars each. They looked fantastic but kept breaking and I ended up buying maybe 3 in total? My parents watched that (pun!) And ended up getting me a metal Seiko.
@VinceRegan
4 жыл бұрын
I started with Invicta and Seiko, it was like a gateway watch brand
@solo8827
3 жыл бұрын
what's wrong with posting your watch in IG just because you like it and not because it's luxurious. my first mechanical watch is from seagull. the 1963. yeah it's a Chinese watch with Swiss movement, but the history of the watch has story. (just disregard the political issues covering China)
@THX-C
3 жыл бұрын
I had a 14270 Explorer and it resisted the scratches that dulled my Hamilton Khaki auto. It’s a though watch. The new 12470 will come on a much better bracelet/clasp and finally gets lumed Arabics! If you ever get into dress watches, you can always sell the Rollie for a Patek Calatrava.
@menandroplan1554
4 жыл бұрын
I saw a Filippo Loretti ad and they called the Miyota movement a "Mitoya"....how can you trust them if they dont even know whats inside their watches lol
@AldoFelt
4 жыл бұрын
why not buy an Orient, seiko, citizen or even casio. None of this new companies taking my money.
@davidteer80
4 жыл бұрын
Most of your mainstream watch companies advertising and marketing campaigns are anywhere close to these fashion watch companies. That's one of the first issues he addresses these fashion watches pop up all over your Facebook feed KZitem advertisements and so on
@joyanngitau6682
4 жыл бұрын
I'm in the level of casio rn
@JeeGee114
4 жыл бұрын
Oriënt, Seiko and Citizen are regarded as watches for old people. Casio is doing a better marketing job with their G shock Line and retro back catalogue.
@ShivamPatel-et2pl
4 жыл бұрын
Hell get a solid Timex. decent movements, great prices points, heritage and they have some great fashionable ones too.
@vlad9049
4 жыл бұрын
Marinus Antonius I’m 22 y.o. Owner of two Seiko, I received as many compliments for them as for my Tissot Powermatic 80, which is much more expensive. Seiko has very diverse product lines. Divers watch? Flight masters? Casual? Dress watch? Sporty like watch? You have them all.
@p.j.mendes
4 жыл бұрын
This video should be part of a training program to some watch dealers employees. Very educating. Congratulations.
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paulo!
@davidteer80
4 жыл бұрын
I actually had to explain the difference between a quartz movement and automatic movement to a watch store employee. I showed them a few ways to quickly tell the difference just by eyeballing a watch
@venelinhristov270
4 жыл бұрын
Hands up for DW the top of this video list
@cfcblue8
4 жыл бұрын
PP: You never actually own a Patek Philippe. You merely look after it for the next generation. DW: You never actually own a Daniel Wellington. You merely look after it for the trash bin.
@gavinducco7915
4 жыл бұрын
@@cfcblue8 ahahahahaha
@ajaypaulclair8928
4 жыл бұрын
cfcblue8 lol
@thegrandmarauder
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy to me that even in 2020, people don't bother to just pop the brand or the model name into youtube and just check videos about the thing they're buying. Insane
@navyvet05
2 жыл бұрын
well theres people like me who at first didnt care about the quality of watches and just wanted something that looks nice. theres a lot of people out there who just dont care or take watches as seriously as you do. i was one of them, but im getting more and more into them now.
@thegrandmarauder
2 жыл бұрын
@@navyvet05 it's got nothing to do specifically with watches, it's about researching what you're buying. if you were going to spend $100+ on something, wouldn't you want to know that you were buying something of value???
@navyvet05
2 жыл бұрын
@@thegrandmarauder i guess you missed the part about there being lots of people that just dont care or take watches very seriously. they just dont care. they want a watch, and something that looks nice. i have a mvmt field watch that i bought 3 years ago, looks nice, works well and i only paid $95. i have a vincero too that i like. i still wear them, but i just prefer my seikos and wengers more.
@pistonburner6448
2 жыл бұрын
@@navyvet05 Well I don't understand who would buy anything from those internet companies without researching at all, since you open yourself to be scammed and not getting a watch at all, or something that doesn't work / breaks immediately and they don't take care of warranty customer service.
@navyvet05
2 жыл бұрын
@@pistonburner6448 well i dont understand people who fail to understand theres some people that just dont care. besides, you need to do more research, bc mvmt watches are high quality.
@2steaksandwiches665
4 жыл бұрын
I am in marketing (for another industry) and this is a very well done video. Your analysis is applicable to so many other product classes here. Nice work.
@lukas_g243
4 жыл бұрын
I’d take a 50-100$ time x over any of these “luxury” watches every single time
@lukas_g243
4 жыл бұрын
Alexis Nguyen fax
@Matt-yp7io
3 жыл бұрын
Wtf does luxury even mean, as long as it tells the time isn't it doing its job...
@lukas_g243
3 жыл бұрын
@@Matt-yp7io well you do have better build materials, glass that doesnt scratch, better color pallets, better under water protection, more accurate movements, longer lasting battery or wind, as well as more features on the watch
@lunam7249
Жыл бұрын
timex is a good watchs, but you wont get any females🎉🎉😢😢
@CybertroninfiniteOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@lunam7249lmao who said you should uses watches to get girls? Your goals with watches are misaligned if that's what you're striving to do
@arkadipta6667
4 жыл бұрын
The best channel for watches ... the way he shoots the pictures and videos just ... it’s stunning! And his opinion is damn good!
@jaykenigsberg2162
2 жыл бұрын
There was a clothing store in NY years ago called Syms. Its motto was, “An educated consumer is our best customer.” The brands in this video prey on the uneducated consumer.
@Khanh.Nguyen369
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the video but unfortunately in the age of IG I think this is a lost argument. Whether it’s a watch or a tee shirt, it all goes back to advertising and the ability to hype a product. All it takes is a blogger or a one minute video made with a drone for a young consumer to fall for the gimmick. We all go through these growing pains as a youngster to which we all live and learn. Without these fashion brands it could be argued that the common consumer may never wear a wrist watch at all. So maybe they are playing a role into the gateway of true horology.
@harizshahhamin6324
4 жыл бұрын
How to know if the watch is bad is when they are heavily marketed on social media claiming to be "Luxurious goods at affordable price"
@billybenson3834
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite MVMT is the bowel. Really made a splash when it came out.
@SousTerre1
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@rootstone9883
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much all of these tips are valid for any other product out there. The best money saver is to have a well calibrated BS-meter.
@DBSites
4 жыл бұрын
I try to stick with either lower-priced established brands, such as Timex or Casio, or mid-priced brands such as Seiko or Citizen. These are brands that I can currently afford, and with higher income, I’d obtain a Rolex, Omega, or a Jaeger-LeCoultre. A brand that I trust is Hamilton, due to their abundance of information and their transparency with what they’re selling. Their digital marketing is also not as abundant, as their marketing is primarily through Hollywood product placement, but they also let their history speak for itself.
@Winterdrol
4 жыл бұрын
After 1 post of getting paid to show a brand, they will be seen in the next post in a patek 😆
@kennethiman2691
4 жыл бұрын
Great information. The real problem is a $20 quartz movement can be more accurate than a multi thousand high end watch. It may not be hand assembled by Japanese virgins but will keep great time.
@gradywilson9213
2 жыл бұрын
That is very true, but if accuracy is what one is looking for buy a watch which links to the atomic clock or a Bulova Precissionist which is supposed to be accurate to 10 seconds per year. I own two of them the claim seems to be true. I bought a Chinese watch call Boderry it is titanium always wanted one, has a beautiful green face, not the most accurate but gorgeous to look at. Purchased it used hardly worn for next to nothing.
@ipreetesh
4 жыл бұрын
Love the lighting in the background. Appreciate the thought put into the art direction in this video.
@EliteSim
4 жыл бұрын
Some really good information here, I can tell a lot of thought went into this. The fashion watch industry as a whole is full of these tricks and it does unfortunately catch people out, which is why these videos need to exist. Honestly these companies probably spend more money on advertising than they do on watch production and that is a shame because they've probably accumulated enough money to actually produce decent watches, yet they choose the easy way out and keep delivering sub par watches at best. I guess the more videos like this there are, the less people will be misled by clever marketing.
@jaysonj3122
4 жыл бұрын
My Fossil watch is still going strong 10 years on. It actually came with an 11 year warranty which is pretty unheard of. I've been considering getting the new IWC portugieser with the in-house movement, but for now certainly happy with the old Fossil!
@danb8606
2 жыл бұрын
Still have my Fossil Relic skeleton watch, for 7 years!
@Youtubeuser1aa
2 жыл бұрын
They might as well offer a 1000 year one… 95% get thrown away
@kryptonmartinez1659
2 жыл бұрын
Same. My dad got me one for $80 back in 2015. I have some better watches now but this one is still going strong.
@sergiomendez9231
10 ай бұрын
That Fossil still running? My wife (then girlfriend) bought me a Fossil chronograph for our first Valentine's Day. It's been almost 12 years and is still going strong. She also got me a Fossil bullhead mechaquartz chronograph and that has been going strong now for 8 years. Fossil's have much better quality than your average fashion brand. Fun fact: Zodiac is under the Fossil Group.
@jaysonj3122
10 ай бұрын
Yeah man, I wear it almost every day. I'm still want to buy the IWC, but the Fossil lives on! @@sergiomendez9231
@parasite159
4 жыл бұрын
From working in the watch repair industry, something to watch out for when buying these 'On trend' watch brands, is taking a look at the case-back if you have the chance. If you're looking to get a minimalist watch with a 38-40mm dial, and the case-back in anything less than that, walk away. your options for repairs are limited and may end up costing the price of the watch. If you have a fault with the movement, there's no way to replace it without also replacing the glass. this also applies to hands replacements and anything on the dial itself(like a minute marker loose in the dial face) Glass can be replaced fairly easily and cheaply, but it will probably need to be cracked apart to be removed, this can damage the dial or lead to glass dust entering the movement if the repairer isn't careful.
@GS-vb3zn
4 жыл бұрын
I love ya, man, and I really like video but..."luxury can't be mass produced"? Well, I'd like to introduce you to this watch brand named Rolex.
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
Haha true, yet demand is still higher than the production. I think they are one of the exceptions to the rule but I try to avoid blanket terms as much as I can for scenarios like this 😂
@bigdaddympd
4 жыл бұрын
Well get on the wait list!
@softballm1991
4 жыл бұрын
Question because I do not know, is Rolex using mass production methods on their watches? Or is Rolex using traditional production methods, with lots of workers? Seiko uses mass production methods on their lower cost watches Seiko 5, but traditional production methods on their top end watches. But a Good point on Rolex and no I do not own a Rolex, have Omegas, Oris, Tissot, Hamilton but will not pay the premium for Rolex.
@nintendokings
4 жыл бұрын
This video was great to avoid the marketing pitfalls. But if I could go back and educate my old-self (in terms of quality), I'd talk specs: - case: Fully 316L Stainless Steel (or better). ''stainless steel (case) back'' often means the actual case is some alloy. Avoid. - glass: Sapphire is best. Mineral glass is cheap. If you tap on the glass and it sounds thin and fragile, avoid. - movement: Avoid Chinese movements. Quartz is cheaper, don't pay much. Japanese mechanicals is best value. BONUS: - 30m Water resist means nothing. Screw down caseback and crown means decent water resistance. 100m+ is good for swimming. Don't shower with anything non-Casio, hot water/steam is a killer. - If you get a diver bezel, get a ceramic or sapphire insert. Aluminum scratches easily.
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
Great list and agree 100%. Especially good point on water resistance. One of the most deceiving spec points in all watchmaking.
@scottbrandon6244
2 жыл бұрын
In my younger low budget days I used to buy Perry Ellis watches. I never had problems with them. They were well made with a low cost. Most watches capped at $150 CAD. Some were only $75. Sure they were quartz movements, but they were top notch in terms of design.
@r.o.1330
2 жыл бұрын
One of my first watches (I've had it now for 32 years and it still runs perfectly) was a gold, Seiko Quartz Datejust homage. When I selected the watch, I'd never seen or was even aware of the Datejust (seriously), I simply thought that this was a very good looking watch. Today, if I could afford the Rolex I'd buy it (I still think it's one of the best looking watches out there).
@blueicer101
3 жыл бұрын
"The most dangerous lies are ones that are partly true." -some guy who lived at some time.
@SimFlyingFin
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I'm a watchmaker and producing my own watches. From the first idea to the first prototype, it took 3,5 years and now I'm able to produce about 10 watches in 4 months. Everything is hand finished and tested etc. It's hard to compete with these "fashion" brands when they are selling 2$ Chinese made watches for 100$ and I'm asking close to 5000$ for mine :D But that's the name of the game, I wouldn't even want to sell a watch to a person who doesn't appreciate what has gone into making of that watch and why it is costing what it costs. There are people who just wear a watch because it looks cool and there are the "others" who are diving in the deep end with watches and would never wear a 100$ fashion brand watch. And both are ok :)
@Boredandhere
2 жыл бұрын
do you have a website?
@Cloobornius
Жыл бұрын
Do you sell them online?
@highsoflyify
3 жыл бұрын
If I want to have good quality and a nice look for a small amount of cash, I would go for Orient watches (Seiko's small brother company). Their value-for-money ratio is outstanding.
@jh-il5sb
4 жыл бұрын
just amazing in this information age where you can research any and everything that people can be so easily conned by these companies. everytime i hear those hyper-exagerated claims red flags are being raised all over the place
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
It’s hard for us to understand as I am sure you are like me and spend hours and hours on your next purchase but we are not the target demographic. The world we live in is one of instant gratification and they buyers of these watches are people that don’t look for them. The watches come to them in their content or news feeds. And since they are priced relatively low people will make impulsive purchases on them. Not something I would do, but it clearly exists. But hey, if half of those people that get into buying watches from these brands start to investigate further into this it’s a net positive if you ask me.
@RobDaCajun
4 жыл бұрын
It falls into a psychological term called parasympathetic relationships. The people feel a friendship with the influencers they follow. This in turn leads to a certain amount of faith on what an influencer peddles. That’s why so many of these companies use influencer affiliates. Think 🤔 of how many watches MVMT sold sponsoring Joe Rogan.
@dimman77
4 жыл бұрын
I think part of it is a pricing sweet spot for their target customers. They charge as much as they can while staying under the average buyer's impulse-buy vs "Hmm, that's a lot of money I should research this purchase." limit. And even if that price is fairly low, it's still a multiple hundreds of percent markup over the cheap wholesale price of the watches.
@korencek
4 жыл бұрын
Omega watches are made so well you can't tell if it's 3D render or a real watch.
@samdryden7944
3 жыл бұрын
"If you're ever first coming on a watch" - I don't like them THAT much.
@KayD14
4 жыл бұрын
Have to give credit to these “luxury brands” marketing. Daniel Wellington was the first brand that got me paying attention to watches. While I condemn their sly marketing and selling less-than-decent products, hopefully it’ll bring more people into the hobby and encourage people to put their money on more reputable brands
@ashishshukla2469
4 жыл бұрын
Save precious 17 Minutes of your life- 1. Big Claims, Exaggerated Digital marketing. 2. Poor Information about Movements and material.Hiding info about watch movements. Buzz words. 3. Lazy designs. Overly minimal & clean basic generic looks. Fake chronograph markings. 4. Production & Warranties. Hiding production place and Long warranties like 8-10 years. 5. No organic coverage. No serious reviews just influhencers promoting it. 6. Too good to be true. Overly big duscounts like 50% -70%. 7. No actual pictures of watch just computer generated 3D images.
@yveswilliner9936
4 жыл бұрын
Hello, first of all really great video and now about the topic swiss made. It is true, in general 60% of a product must be made in Switzerland. But for watches there is a more precise gradation. Here is what I found on wikipedia: Swiss watch: A watch is considered Swiss, according to the Swiss law if: -its movement is Swiss and, -its movement is cased up in Switzerland and; -the manufacturer carries out the final inspection in Switzerland Swiss watch movement: A watch movement is considered Swiss if: -the movement has been assembled in Switzerland and, -the movement has been inspected by the manufacturer in Switzerland and; -the components of Swiss manufacture account for at least 50 percent of the total value, without taking into account the cost of assembly. From 1 January 2017, the law set the minimum at 60 percent. If a watch movement is intended for export and will not be cased-up in Switzerland, but it otherwise meets the criteria to be considered a Swiss movement, the watch may say "Swiss Movement" but it may not say Swiss made on the watch case or dial. A watch that says "Swiss Quartz" is considered to be a proper Swiss watch. However, it is often improperly used by foreign manufacturers to merely indicate that the quartz movement is of Swiss origin.
@MIKEJUGGALO17
2 жыл бұрын
I was never a “watch guy”. Got an Apple Watch for work, don’t have to bring my phone while fishing wire it attics/tight spaces and I use it to call my helper. Then I felt naked without a watch, but didn’t want to be the guy wearing and Apple Watch while in a suit. Got a $120 MVMT watch, really liked it. Fiancé bought me another $120 MVMT, I like that one as well. Now I’m ready to jump into the real watch collectors market. MVMT may not be the best but they served a purpose for me. Got me into watch collecting without breaking the bank on my first watches.
@TomasDeMeulemeester
3 жыл бұрын
I bought my first mechanical watch when I was in high school, given my budget at the time I bought an Invicta Pro Diver. This is about 7-8 years ago now, still runs really well and it got me into the hobby. Go for it.
@lunam7249
Жыл бұрын
i prefer a jaquet droz.....but honestly s0me invicta are beautiful, and iwould take one over a rolex!!😮😮❤🎉
@MrDeengels
Жыл бұрын
Invicta 🤮
@vanillapaste9671
3 жыл бұрын
If the watch says MVMT, Invicta, Daniel Wellington, Vincero, Filipo Lorreti or a brand name like Guess, Tommy Hilfiger, Tom Ford, ANYWHERE on the dial… its SH*T
@tjwright
3 жыл бұрын
Lots of brands are guilty of the high MSRP thing. I recently got a Seiko SNK807. I paid around $80 for it, which seems to be a good deal, but not a crazy unheard of deal. They aren't hard to find at $100 or so. The box says MSRP $195 on it. So in the case of this watch the everyday going rate is 1/2 of the MSRP, and it's not hard to get below that.
@datutturugang666
2 жыл бұрын
the thing with seiko is, they can afford to even lose to a fairly large number of watches, considering their budget and sheer history and name, they know they gonna have other assured ways of profit. there are people who only wear grand seiko during their lifetime
@viperocco
Жыл бұрын
SNK809 was my first automatic, purchased for around 100 bucks. Very happy with it
@jonathanurbano5476
4 жыл бұрын
If you’re getting into watches dont settle for shitters... you can probably afford a Tudor black bay, a speedmaster or a seamaster at 4K just by saving up. If you want to save up even more than the bare minimum, you can get a Rolex steel sports such as an explorer 1. Spending 3-4K on a watch is justifiable and is possible to save up for because they are pieces of quality and real history and not disposable and completely wear out like a Seiko (unless it’s a Grand Seiko) or a Timex because a Tudor or an Omega will last you merely a lifetime if you decide not to sell them (they can also be investment/money retainment pieces where your money is safe). If you want watches that are artistically made for a lower price (horte horology) then get a Breguet or a fifty fathoms second-hand. Piss off with homage watches such as Steinnhart’s GMT or even the Seiko King Turtle or even a Seiko King Turtle. There’s things to appreciate with cheaper watches but it’s not the same. Sorry but they are shitter watches folks, especially if they have eta, Valjoux7777 or miota movements. There are few watches worth buying with generic movements depending on how much you appreciate horology (not like TGV of course 😂)
@ratitabaco
4 жыл бұрын
12:35 Best part of the video 😂, totally true tho
@seanmbranch
3 жыл бұрын
My frustration with this video is it focuses mostly on marketing aspects of these companies. But how do new watch enthusiasts even know if, say, a certain Hamilton watch is any good? Because a bunch of "watch experts" SAY it's good? Based on what? That's the knowledge I desired. Who's to say some "respected" brands are actually making crappy watches and relying solely on brand reputation/history?
@casualsuede
4 жыл бұрын
This is not only a watch thing, it happens all the time in the fashion industry, in the beverage industry, the cosmetic industry, the footwear industry. Think about Supreme brand. Their $5 shirts are selling for $100 and they are nothing special. I think people should spend on stuff they find appealing, nothing what you or I say will change that. We can just shake our collective heads. The problem with brands like seiko, orient, citizen and timex are that their comparative designs are quite untrendy and have no clout with the younger generation who are the target market for brands like mvmt and vincero. The funniest example of that is that people in the watch community tell the fashion watch buyer that they should buy the casio duro because Bill Gates wears one. Have you ever seen him dress? He is a horrible dresser and looks like he gave up on maintaining his personal appearance. To someone who wears Supreme shirts, Gucci fanny packs and some type of Nike collaboration sneakers, mentioning someone as uncool as Bill Gates is like mentioning donald trump at a Bernie Sanders rally.
@dimman77
4 жыл бұрын
I think that's one of the most overlooked parts of the 'Fashion Watch' criticisms. The fashion. You're 100% right. No one interested in fashion is going to buy a higher quality, 'legitmate' watch if it's unfashionable.
@JeeGee114
4 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of young people wear a Casio nowadays. Probably because of the eighties vibe ;which is still trendy over here; and cheapness at their entry level. DW is dead
@user-xg6zz8qs3q
4 жыл бұрын
@@JeeGee114 DW is so dead! Casio is so trendy where I live.
@luislinan2266
4 жыл бұрын
I wear Supreme, Gucci and Nike collabs and still dont like MVMT, Vincero or DW 🤔 I just ordered an Orient Bambino and Im excited for it...
@user-xg6zz8qs3q
4 жыл бұрын
@@luislinan2266 I saw a DW in person and think it's brilliant. It's one of those rare quartz watches without a seconds hand. More brands should just yank out the seconds hand! Seriously! It cheapens the watch. Moreover, the slim case on the DW actually looks really nice. I wouldn't pay 200€ for one though!
@xqiuvmah
4 жыл бұрын
I recently got a forge and foster "specter" watch. I found a promo code that combined with a site wide sale that saved me over $100 from their asking price (260ish). I chose the specter because you can actually see the automatic movement. They claim it has 21 jewel movement (whatever that means, not a watch expert) and i can see a few points of color that might be rubies or more likely synthetic. However, i like the way it looks and with the discount it was within my budget
@cedarcanoe
4 жыл бұрын
This is thé video everyone should see when they’re getting into watches. Very well done @Teddy
@qsdfcvgyjmkl
2 жыл бұрын
I have been bingeing your channel recently, and while I trust your judgment in the quality of watches and of these companies, I think this is one of your worse videos. If I were a new collector, why should I trust your tips and advice over the tips and advice of someone else who genuinely believes they got a good watch from one of these newer companies? For example, just because they market their watch aggressively does not guarantee that they are of poorer quality, and just because their brand is already huge and they don't need much advertisement does not guarantee that their quality will not drop or has not dropped already. I agree with your point that the best way to prevent yourself the hassle of overpaying for a poor quality watch is to research and know what makes a watch good in the first place, and that's what I thought this video was going to be about. Your video on what makes a watch good was much more informative and provides actual evidence as to why a watch is high quality, such as the polish brush strokes or milled bracelet clasps you mentioned. This video, however, merely states that these companies have poorly made watches without giving information on why they are poorly made. Do they always use worse materials? Are their movements less accurate? Do they have worse quality inspection? Sure, big claims and long warranties for a company that's only existed for 12 months may be indicative of something fishy going on, but it's not guaranteed that the products they make are bad. I think the only thing I saw in this video that was objectively proof of bad quality was the ridiculous chronograph with no markings. I think it would be great if you could go into a little bit more detail about the actual qualities of a watch that make it bad rather than the tactics that the company uses to sell their watches, because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the company does. The watches will speak for themselves in your hands.
@blakestar4100
4 жыл бұрын
My girl cousin gave me a fashion watch for my birthday a few years ago. I felt so bad that she actually spent money on some booboo. I would've been happy with a chickfila giftcard.
@lunam7249
Жыл бұрын
enjoy it...❤ after a long time its love will grow....you will like it😮
@TheBelse
3 жыл бұрын
MVMT ...fancy word magic only ..it worked for them though. I think the name describes the cheesy element to what they're presenting ...not tasteful ....3am shopping channel stuff....i bought the red ..i bought the blue ..hahaha
@Zeeraha
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I see also from brands like Omega, JLC, and Zenith not presenting real photos of their watches on their websites. Usually they just post a front facing photo, and JLC now posts renderrings. Honestly, this does not bring much confidence in those brands anymore, though I know they are good. Why they do not present representable photos? What are they hiding?
@ivangulevski6959
4 жыл бұрын
Same with Rolex, AP, Patek... they’re not hiding anything, we all know those watches are made with perfection, Same with Omega, Tag Heuer, Grand Seiko... its called history and reputation.
@golden.lights.twinkle2329
2 жыл бұрын
A watch is poorly made if it doesn't reliably keep accurate time or if when you look at it, its hard to tell what time it is. Examples of the latter would be black hands on a black face or a watch with no (or indistinct) markings at the 5 minute divisions.
@guccimotorz976
4 жыл бұрын
dont forget another tell of a cheap watch is really short hands
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
I think parts in general that don’t fit the design is something you’ll see. Hands that are too small for the dial/case is one of those.
@GeorgeFrideric71
4 жыл бұрын
That's also the sign of a cheap president.
@TheTownWatch
4 жыл бұрын
This is a good point! Short hands are terrible!
@user-dr7tb4xf4o
4 жыл бұрын
Stop hating on the 214270 Mk1! LOL
@guccimotorz976
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-dr7tb4xf4o no ones hating on it but im just saying that 90 percent of the time short hands are really bad
@screenPhiles
3 жыл бұрын
I'm normally very discriminating…except for watch adverts. I have no idea why (though I'm learning). For instance, I own way too many Invictas that I've had various problems with.
@okihaveaname
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine buying a Baldassarre watch: 36000 bhp, 3 case sizes, 100m wr, +/- 3s, sapphire, small seconds, polished markers, date, open case back w/power reserve for $499! 👍🤓
@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw
4 жыл бұрын
Have Courtney promote it and I’m sold!
@cheezybred
3 жыл бұрын
Stainless steel, reputable auto mvmt, sapphire crystal. That’s all you need to know if a watch is well made.
@zigmanzapolovich9048
4 жыл бұрын
In the end, it is important to ask what your doing and why when buying a watch. Are you a collector? Are you a horology buff? Are you just looking for something that tells time? Are you buying bling to impress? The true "watch enthusiast" emphasizes heritage, reliability and a real curiosity about the watch he or she wants to buy. Also keep in mind that most people, unless they are "watch enthusiasts", don't amalgamate the thought process you have presented when buying these generic products. Nevertheless, excellent and well thought out points for discussion. Thank you Teddy.
@c.w.9615
4 жыл бұрын
The "future of luxury" sounds horrifying.
@Deathworg1
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds positively pyramid scheme-y
@nickbezmaterny5567
4 жыл бұрын
I can watch this dude talk about crooked watch companies and their lack of transparency for years.
@viktorkongskov5692
4 жыл бұрын
I unfortunately bought a MVMT watch back when they started. I was so disappointed in the quality. The crown was skewed and the ticking could be heard from the other side of a quiet room. Yet still, when i see their watches online i think "damn that's a good looking watch" cause they really are nailing that department. It's just sad that they are so terrible at putting them together.
@nick4uuk
4 жыл бұрын
I really feel like 'luxury' should have a legal framework around it forcing them to correct themselves to 'luxury style'. So many cheap and nasty items carry the label luxury, it's quite upsetting.
@CrookedNose2131
4 жыл бұрын
If you have to be told something is luxury and aren't smart enough to decide for yourself, you deserve to be parted with your money.
@johncaron4888
4 жыл бұрын
ORIS is an authentic affordable luxury watch. It is also an excellent entry-level luxury watch.
@salty-as-heck9915
4 жыл бұрын
There's no way to get luxury without spending cash. On the Japanese side, you need some higher level Seiko in the price range of $1,500 or higher before the watches really start to get special. A $250 Seiko, while a nice watch, is not luxury. In the Swiss side, you need to spend $2000 before you start to get into entry level "luxury", ie. Longines, Oris, Rado, etc. There are many brands below that level which are considered nice watches, but I wouldn't call Luxury, such as Tissot or Hamilton. Especially when you can find all their models at many generalist watch shops at the malls, selling right next to Invicta and a host of fashion watch brands. The movements in Hamilton and Tissot are also mostly undecorated ETAs, while higher up at the level of Longines and above you get a lot of fancy decoration and brand exclusive ETA derivatives that you can't find in any other brand also using ETA, which is why I would call them entry level Luxury
@gongfu4562
2 жыл бұрын
If you wanna watch with both low price and dignity, just buy a Seiko.
@cdl512
3 жыл бұрын
this sounds like much ado about NOTHING! watch snob is going to snob!
@paulchristian5375
3 жыл бұрын
Just like whiskey. If there's an ad, it's probably shit.
@hansobermann4871
4 жыл бұрын
The underlying problem is that people has a problem with accepting higher prices. They are suspicious that their 10K go into the hands of greedy people. The often tell me: why money buing for a teaspoon of iron. They cannot understand
@chronos4573
4 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing these kinds of off-brand watches in slick gift magazines stuffed into the back of airline seats as far back as the late 1990's. One brand that comes to mind is Steyr. They even had a deal where you can pay for the thing in several installments. I never bit on that hook and was rocking a Seiko instead, a real quality made moderately priced watch.
@bigmeech8715
4 жыл бұрын
A guy that I worked with who wore a AP told me “it’s not luxury if everyone can afford it.” Used to think he was arrogant but now days I believe those words to be true.
@user-qi5jw2hg1c
4 жыл бұрын
You say that yet nearly every 'luxury' brand offers finance to make their watches 'affordable' to the average man
@nrbrown5985
4 жыл бұрын
Another point about longer warranties. If you sell a $2 watch for $250 then your company can afford to replace that watch 10x and still come out way ahead.
@VintageDigitalWatches
4 жыл бұрын
One thing people NEED TO NOTICE about the video: Bad publicity is STILL publicity, lots of MVMT turd.
@wongtouski
3 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing is "affordable luxury". Just remember that. Quality lasts so if you want luxurious stuff, save up.
@MrChainBlueLightnin
3 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%.
@seanforlenza7028
4 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine asked me what I thought about MVMT and I told him I thought they were poor quality watches. When I saw him next I noticed he was wearing a MVMT Chrono. I asked to see it. Pushed in the pusher... nothing. I asked him what was up, and he said it came that way! The watch was delivered broken. Not only can you not actually use the chronograph fucntion because there are no indicies or numerals... they often don't even function! Anyway, useful video. Recently someone else asked me what I thought about Vincero and I was able to guide them away.
@123ocelot
3 жыл бұрын
I like bulova and Seiko cause I'm middle class gezzer
@victorbgdream8328
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Teddy, thanks a lot for addressing this, not because I was ever tempted to get one of those, but because I am building a watch brand myself, these points are very valuable to me. thank you.
@triniboy05
4 жыл бұрын
Grand Seiko annoys me to no end with the photos they use on their website. Obviously great luxury brand, but they shoot themselves in the foot more times than not it seems (see: bracelets/straps, sizes, etc.).
@TeddyBaldassarre
4 жыл бұрын
I agree that they could do so much more with their press photos. I have always been way more impressed with them in person. Actually it’s not even close.
@TheGrenadier97
2 жыл бұрын
12:45 - Couldn't believe that this was true, but it actually is. What a joke, and i don't give any damn for Rolex.
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