This is useful but I wish it worked on the individual notes as well. Within a chord.
@mixedinkey
8 ай бұрын
How did you wish for the effect to be applied to individual notes?
@keithchegwin1222
8 ай бұрын
I have beem using the MIK software since 2008, it's extremely accurate now 👌. It seems the energy level they give each of my songs is regular way off tho. I'm a mobile DJ, sometimes it days a particular low energy song is like a 7, it seems ti be all over the place when doing that.
@mixedinkey
8 ай бұрын
hey, thanks for your feedback. Can you please share the name of one of the songs that you think the Energy Level was off? We can try to reproduce it on our end and see if we can figure out what's going on and make some improvements on a future update :)
@keithchegwin1222
7 ай бұрын
@@mixedinkey I'm away from my laptop for a while. I can give you an example now tho. Leave The Door Open by Bruno Mars is an energy level 5. Tainted Love by Gloria Jones is an energy level 4. In my opinion Tainted Love sounds higher energy than Leave The Door Open. Let me know what you think. Thanks 👍
@keithchegwin1222
7 ай бұрын
@@mixedinkey Also "Right Here (Human Nature Mix) by SWV is an energy level 7, even tho it sounds more like an energy level 4. Thanks 👍
@vox5505
9 ай бұрын
It's so funny that they chose to make this tutorial for Ableton. Ableton already has deeply integrated into it, a WAY more powerful and easy-to-use system for humanizing, called the Groove Pool. You can literally take a song with a groove you like, analyze it, and shift your tracks' timing to match, all in one in 1 click.
@mixedinkey
9 ай бұрын
Of course we know about Groove Pool, but that's not the same thing. Human is based on the idea that each "musician" (aka Human plugin) passes information to other musicians in the same "band". If the drums fall behind the groove, the bass will slow down to match the drummer's groove. The piano will fall into the pocket as well. Each human plugin is sending data to other human plugins to do "group humanization" where it acts as a whole band playing together. That's covered by a couple of patents invented at Harvard University and Max Planck Institute. The closest thing that existed in Ableton was "Group Humanizer" (Max for Live) device, but that doesn't support audio channels and doesn't work right in all environments. We licensed the patents, and built a much better and easier plugin to handle Audio and MIDI. So while we love the Groove Pool and we use it, that has nothing to do with group humanizing that happens in the patented Human Plugins. Different approach, and completely different sound. Human is more natural.
@vox5505
9 ай бұрын
@@mixedinkey Interesting. I do grant you that this required some coding time.Because of the way you market, and your track record as a company, I don't trust that this plugin is actually doing this, however. Further, I grant that you do have a real idea here, but most importantly, that idea is absolute snake-oil nonsense to anyone with any practical, applied music theory understanding. What you're referring to is commonly called rushing and trailing, and are real phenomena in live music. To pick out the ultra-specific sub-phenomenon that each musician "falls into" and out of "the pocket" at slightly different times as being the one that will make your music sound more "human?" That's an absurd hair-splitty claim, that screams "One easy hack studio musicians don't want you to know to make your music blah blah blah." Your namedrop appeals to authority honestly make it sound even more so. Further, the extreme hesitance you've already been called out for to show this plugin in action? That speaks volumes about how little this does, even if it is actually happening. The ONE CLIP we've actually heard, what you're actually hearing is so obviously very simple timestretching, and not this trailing-leading relative relationship you're trying to hang your hat on. To anyone reading along at home: Even if you believed this snake oil and think it's worth experimenting with this gradual relative per-instrument leading and trailing thing, you can STILL easily accomplish this same phenomenon with the Groove Pool in Ableton. Plus in the same number of clicks, you ALSO get to use with the properties of timestretching and micro-timing that actually DO contribute to making music sound "human" which these total hacks have relied on to try to sell their bad idea to you in their ONE example. Don't give them $50 just because thy relied on obscurity to sell their nonsense.
@mixedinkey
9 ай бұрын
@@vox5505 I think you should do some research and see for yourself what James Holden, Ableton.com and the US Patent office has written about group humanizing. I don't think you're willing to take my word for it, so here are some links for you: www.ableton.com/en/blog/james-holden-human-timing/ (from 2015) and this patent from 2007 onwards: patents.google.com/patent/US20090084250A1/en?inventor=holger+hennig&oq=holger+hennig Thanks.
@mixedinkey
9 ай бұрын
Here's one more from you from the inventor of it: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0127902
@vox5505
9 ай бұрын
Again interesting. To skip right through to what matters: For anyone reading along at home, I've just read the above research article, and James Holden's piece (didn't care about a patent, it's so obviously besides the point.) I'm super glad I read them, very interesting stuff. HOWEVER the MixedinKey guy is trying to get away with smoke and mirrors again to sell snake oil. These things only even attempt to suggest that leading and trailing, which they refer to as stochastic fractal linkage (super rad name, glad I've learned it) EXIST in the first place, and explore what leads to them as an emergent phenomenon. The research paper actually touches on it very little, it's mostly about how timing variations physically occur from a drummer. None of them make any claims whatsoever about stochastic fractal linkage actually making a sequence feel more "human" to any listener, or even something that we consciously or subconsciously hear or notice. If there is such a study, I'll happily read it too. Ultimately, I have to reiterate: Even if you are interested in this idea of applying stochastic fractal linkage to sequenced music and want to try it, Ableton's Groove Pool will accomplish it both more realistically, and easier than this dishonest company's VST.
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