“Life is pain… anyone who tells you differently is selling something.”
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Amen to that
@zappyapp
Жыл бұрын
Unless they're selling you drugs
@TheZetaKai
Жыл бұрын
Nerves + Entropy + Memories = an accumulation of suffering
@BidwellRunner
3 ай бұрын
I just realized Westly is the Buddha.
@zmeebojazz8774
2 ай бұрын
@@BidwellRunnerPrincess Bride
@TheZetaKai
Жыл бұрын
According to Christopher Booker, the author of The Seven Basic Plots, there are 5 stages for a proper Tragedy: 1) The Anticipation Stage: The hero gets set on their course of action, incomplete and unfulfilled. 2) The Dream Stage: At first, things go almost improbably well for the hero, so he's getting away with it. 3) The Frustration Stage: Slowly, almost imperceptibly, the Hero is starting to experience difficulties and annoyances. 4) The Nightmare Stage: Things are now slipping seriously out of the hero's control. 5) The Destruction or Death Wish Stage: The hero's death or destruction releases the world around him from the darkness he had wrought, and the world without him rejoices.
@Dark_Peace
2 жыл бұрын
My favorite moment in a tragedy is right before the finale, all the characters have an important dilemma and/or they feel like they have no choice and everyone takes the decisions that are gonna lead to the tragic end. Sometimes they know it but carry on, sometimes they think they make the right choice for salvation, or both with 2 opposite parties. And there might also be a character that understand how it's gonna end because they just gained important info and they're trying to stop the others in time. I don't have an example, except for the song "ready as I'll ever be" from Tangled, which is exactly the feeling I'm talking about. Édit : "ready as I'll ever be" along with "crossing the line" and "nothing left to lose" highlight perfectly all the tragedy arcs you talk about
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
I know the moment you're talking about. It's a grim, tense feeling, like reaching the top of a broken roller coaster.
@cosmicprison9819
Жыл бұрын
Instead of “All is Gained”, you could also call this the “Supposed Victory”, which usually comes before the “All is Lost” moment. And then, the “All is Lost” moment is the end of the story.
@Ayyavazi13
2 жыл бұрын
Also important to note that a key aspect of Greek style tragedy is the foreknowledge on the part of the audience that the story is a tragedy. This changes the nature of tension in interesting ways.
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Great point. Creates a lot those "No, don't do it!" moments when the protagonist is heading down the wrong path
@georgebailey8179
Жыл бұрын
Shakespeare used that same approach. The prologue in Romeo and Juliet pretty much lays out the story in the lines: "A pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life; Whose misadventured piteous overthrows Do with their death bury their parents' strife"
@samcantanswer
Жыл бұрын
"What could of been", the song that I think is the epidemy of tragedy, it could have been avoided.
@Fancast100
Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t that song played at the end of Arcane?
@samcantanswer
Жыл бұрын
@@Fancast100 Its actually what I was referring to haha
@Fancast100
Жыл бұрын
@@samcantanswer cool. I actually saw it and I loved it
@TheBluenyt09
2 жыл бұрын
Awzum tips! 😎👍 Tragedy is also common in horror
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely. Tomorrow I'm dropping a video that discusses The Shining, which is one of horror's most popular tragedies
@afifaimanazli4287
8 ай бұрын
Final Space did a tremendously fantastic job at doing this
@TrevorDuran3390
2 жыл бұрын
When you distinguished when to write 'all hope is lost' vs gained, that made TOTAL sense for me. Ive always wondered when each was appropriate. Great stuff. Would love to see you go further into the diff types of stories i.e. 'rags to riches,' the 'voyage and return,' 'the quest,' 'overcoming the monster.' Ive only seen vague descriptions of these. Ive seen these categories highlighted by someone named Christopher Booker. Not sure if you're familiar.
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Haven't heard of Christopher Booker or those categories (although I've seen similarly named categories in Save the Cat and 20 Master Plots). Did Booker write any guides on the craft? And what else would you like to see from a "Different Types of Stories" video? I feel like I can take such a video in many different directions
@TrevorDuran3390
2 жыл бұрын
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty I would assume he just stole them from save the cat. I should really just buy that book already haha. But if you know of some more categories aside from comedy/tragedy I would love to see a vid on that.
@TrevorDuran3390
2 жыл бұрын
"The nine basic plots" its called. If you type Christopher Booker nine basic plots, it should pop up on google images. For reference. Also I see a book by him called 7 Basic Plots.
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
@@TrevorDuran3390 Sweet. Just slapped The Seven Basic Plots onto my wishlist. And is this the article you meant: www.how-to-write-a-book-now.com/basic-plots.html
@TrevorDuran3390
2 жыл бұрын
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty thats the one!
@hand-drawnanimations8763
Жыл бұрын
This is a wonderfully informative and efficient video! Thank you so much for making it!
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jellybee5194
Жыл бұрын
Life is just something that goes on if you really understand it you will be lost..
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
What's your favorite story that's a Tragedy? Let us know!
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
@Rando Yaguchi You know, I haven't seen that one, although I'm very familiar with the RfaD song (who isn't?). Gonna put this one on my list and try to get to it one of these days
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
@TheStinkyPoopooHeadz Comedies are far more prevalent, so no worries
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
@Rando Yaguchi I'll try to watch it this weekend. Had to rewatch The Shining for tomorrow's video, but now I have time to give it a look
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
@Rando Yaguchi Just watched RfaD. It made me want to quit drugs, and I don't even do drugs. Hell, I don't even drink. But man, that ending was TERRIFYING. Jared Leto's arm, Jennifer Connelly's prostitution ring, everyone assuming the fetal position in their final scene after their lives have been ruined... Yikes. I'm so glad you recommended this one to me. It's rare that a movie shakes me up like that.
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
@Rando Yaguchi Yeah, I want to watch it again because it's one of those movies where the ending elevates everything that comes before it. Great call.
@MalcolmMaynard-l2x
Жыл бұрын
Another aspect of ancient tragedies (The Bacchae is my favourite) - think about what YOU would do in a damned if you do or damned if you don't situation.
@lordebrazen
2 жыл бұрын
Can I use both in the same story? I mean, making a character give in to one flaw but also overcome another, so it makes a bittersweet ending?
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Sure can. I’d say that Breaking Bad does this with Walt overcoming his flaw of being a wimp/pushover while succumbing to his flaw of hubris and/or greed
@TheZetaKai
Жыл бұрын
Overcoming the wrong flaw sounds like a brilliant way to frame a tragic story, with a protagonist who has multiple flaws. Just be sure to balance out those flaws with other appealing traits that make the audience like them enough to root for their victory, so their inevitable failure to overcome the fatal flaw has the proper emotional impact.
@nyurma_eden
10 ай бұрын
Why is there 21k likes but only 9k views? Your videos are gold!
@jesusromanpadro3853
6 ай бұрын
In the movie Perfume the protagonist become a serial killer because he has to create the unknown perfume out of women he smells it on them. He not only manages to create the perfume, but it makes other people adore him to a point where they will do anything for him. But, at the end, he fell empty.
@brucifer97
2 жыл бұрын
This is a really fantastic video
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@The-L-Factor
Жыл бұрын
Heat, is a tragedy, for Robert Deniro's character. He was able to make it out of every score, knew when to abort a job. But not being able to give up the one principle he lived by, "abandoning any attachment when you feel the heat coming around the corner", is ultimately what got him killed when he tried to tie up what he considered to be a loose-end.
@ShivamDhankar-ve9nr
Жыл бұрын
Breaking Bad is a very 'complete' example of a tragedy, if that makes any sense. And what else you could have touched upon is the minor characters' arcs. They often include the effects the protagonist has upon the minor characters and how often their lives and relationship with the protagonist deteriorates as a consequence of his falling actions. Just like Jesse Pinkman from BB.
@ctsuhako1
2 жыл бұрын
My favorite tragedy would have to be "Leaving Las Vegas."
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Haven't seen it. Need to add it to my list
@TheZetaKai
Жыл бұрын
Unrelentingly depressing.
@angeliquebacker8522
2 ай бұрын
Is there a type of story where the character is morally ambiguous or good (usually a child or mentally ill adult) who suffers to the end because of loss and grief due to no fault of their own?
@J_303
Жыл бұрын
what if the climax of this tragedy happens at the 95% mark? I have a plan for my debut trilogy of novels that leads my 3 protagonists to a very high climax ending where the main character succumbs to rage (his fatal flaw) and ultimately gets what he wants, but does the exact opposite of what he intended. my plan would be to make my main charactercharacter lose everything he loves (the two other protagonists +1) because of his uncompromising nature. would this work?
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
Жыл бұрын
Climax usually happens around the 95% mark so I don’t see why that would be a problem
@J_303
Жыл бұрын
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty Oh alright, thanks!
@johnsenunas2258
2 жыл бұрын
Select Travon Walker number one overall
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha... that one hurts
@elshebactm6769
2 жыл бұрын
🤠👍🏿
@WriterBrandonMcNulty
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Soyouthinkyoucanact420
Жыл бұрын
It has to be in your story or you don’t have one. I’m trying to put some in my own personal novel I’m writing.
@Iheartyt5596
10 ай бұрын
Oh wow! Very insightful video. For three years I thought I was writing a tragedy because my story didn’t have an happy ending the character didn’t get what she wanted in the end, however she did have personal growth and made a sacrifice for the greater good (she went from selfish to selfless in the end) but in being selfless she didn’t get what she wanted but did what needed to be done. Since my story fit so much better with the Nutshell’s technique for tragedy I wrote it in that structure. But since my character did not leave the same way, I guess I have a comedy after all. I always thought they needed happy endings. Edited: now im towards the end and wondering if I may have a tragedy after all since my character has what you called the Disillusionment Arc. She overcame the lie she always believed but she did learn a harsh truth in the end but it led to her making a sacrifice for the good of others. 🫠🫠
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