Patiently waiting for The DarkAero 2 (or whatever the next iteration with 4 seats will be called). I have a feeling that these guys and this company are going places.
@PatrickMichalina
2 жыл бұрын
same
@timduncan8450
2 жыл бұрын
I’m 6’5” we’ll over 200, my family are all full size also. Hope the 4 place will not be another dwarf-mobile.
@user-px1wj2uv3r
2 жыл бұрын
@@timduncan8450 Hey, you get the girls, we get the airplanes. Us dwarves need a win too man 😂
@maxboya
2 жыл бұрын
@@timduncan8450 I agree. Lot of pilots are bigger set. Many are smaller too granted but in most planes we fly (comfort isn’t always the priority) so something like this is strictly short run flights. Very short LOL. A cushion on top of a steel plate🥸
@timduncan8450
Жыл бұрын
@@user-px1wj2uv3r haha, I suppose, but prefer to have it all. 😎
@Dr_Kenneth_Noisewater
2 жыл бұрын
This thing will be an absolute rocket. As an engineer, I've very much enjoyed following your prototyping process. Thanks for being so open with it. Best of luck in the coming phases of airworthiness and production!
@Justwantahover
Жыл бұрын
It might be more slick than the Glasssair but 100 hp less power. It should do well over 200 knots at least.
@plainText384
2 жыл бұрын
For all my fellow friends of reasonable units, 750 pounds is 340,2kg.
@jakleo337
2 жыл бұрын
Or as Jeremy Clarkson once said, " In Roman Catholic ".
@simpilot001
2 жыл бұрын
Lol so true. Wish I was raised with the metric system so the scale would be easier to see without having a measuring tape
@Beerbellybilly1
2 жыл бұрын
THX
@danniendorff4815
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it 53.5 stone?
@Beerbellybilly1
2 жыл бұрын
@@danniendorff4815 53.8
@owensparks5013
2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding. It's great to see companies finally decide that a 50 year old convention can be inmproved upon. C8, Falcon 9, and now Darkaero 1. Well done gents. 👏 👍👍
@jamesmccabe5188
2 жыл бұрын
Love this video. This subject is often glossed over but the design principles discussed here are crucial to high performance / lightweight structures of all types. Thank you, this was most informative
@Mariano.Bernacki
2 жыл бұрын
I loved this "deep dive" on the subject of mass! I'd love if you made a few more videos like this about design for manufacturing, cost reduction, finances of the project, modeling decisions, operating philosophy of the company and so on... Maybe once every five or so aircraft videos?
@christopherbeddoe406
2 жыл бұрын
These guys are doing an amazing job. The build quality is great even on a prototype. I'd love to get more information on other design and business aspects of Dark Aero too.
@markserbu
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! In-depth engineering is always appreciated!
@felixcat9318
Жыл бұрын
Very Well Said!
@Project2Aero
2 жыл бұрын
This thing is gonna be disruptive to the fast 2 seat market. What a great example of how to use technology to improve existing concepts as well as set in stone a solid foundation for a great company to flourish. Great job guys! Can't wait until you've got 1000's of these kits pouring out of your facility!
@PistonAvatarGuy
2 жыл бұрын
No, it won't, it's too small. The thing is basically a fast ultralight.
@dougj8186
2 жыл бұрын
@@PistonAvatarGuy Not much utility. Also, few comments about how far away this is from an actual consumer product. My guess is their real business is as a composites subcontractor and this is a showcase for their skills. Whether or not it turns out to be a vanity project or a very expensive toy for the rich, it will take a lot of testing and time to prove it's safe. Being a prototype at the far edge of the envelope, at 260 MPH a design flaw could mean disaster. A simple change like having to move the main gear 2" could result in having to redesign the entire airframe and add several months. Read about the C177 and Cessna, an established airplane manufacturer with money and a team of aeronautical engineers and the things they had to fix after the plane was built, after altering a proven design.
@samtatenumber1
2 жыл бұрын
@@dougj8186 and planes that small and fast, even if they are mechanically and structurally sound, prove to be way to much of a plane to even fighter pilots, ending up in lots of deaths and bad publicity
@dougj8186
2 жыл бұрын
@@samtatenumber1 The only "disruptive" homebuilt planes are the VanGrunsven RV series, 100 year-old technology using aluminum and rivets. I flew up and visited years ago when he was based at his parents farm in Oregon and the aluminum stock was on racks in the field outside his shop.
@ashsmitty2244
2 жыл бұрын
@@dougj8186 Yes, it would be fair to say that this aircraft is one giant resume for getting a government contract (maybe drone) by showcasing their skills. But that’s great business sense and means they will be around for the long term which means support for all the DA owners. I’m sure they are well ahead of anything you have already thought of as potential hurdles in their future.
@jackdotzman2908
2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see it fly. You’re doing a great job os sharing with us, your viewers, your thoughts of how your putting it all together. Thank you. From Missouri
Thanks for another interesting video. You make a dream come true by understanding all the details. This is a tremendously intensive feat, which few people imitate. Congratulations on this milestone.
@Factory400
2 жыл бұрын
715lbs!!!! Awesome achievement! Soooooooo many details to make that happen.
@chippyjohn1
2 жыл бұрын
With regards to Carbon Fibre, have you considered the safety of the occupants in the event of a crash as carbon fibre shatters into sharp pieces regardless of the honeycomb. Also what about lightning strike? What if the aircraft is struck by lighting, if you paint it, the extra insulation will cause a concentration of energy, possibly dissipated by the honeycomb, but also if the honey comb is air tight, the rapid expansion of heated air may cause de lamination and explosion. Unlikely, but possible if a pilot flies through a storm. Also, if this aircraft is flown at high altitude and the honeycomb is air tight, will the structure be able to handle the pressure differential between the honeycomb and outside, or repeated pressure cycles? Also, how repairable is the aircraft, if damage was to occur to a wing, would you have to replace the whole wing, is it removable or is it permanently attached?
@dpear3
2 жыл бұрын
I really like that you brought up the that the application of composite materials is equally or more important than simply using them. A lot of people think carbon fiber is a magic super material that is objectively superior to alternatives, when in reality it has specific material properties that lend it to certain tasks, and it’s construction can further influence its properties. It is a remarkably diverse material, and it has a lot of properties that are desirable in performance vehicles, such as lightness, stiffness, and strength.
@Erik_MN
Жыл бұрын
I used the same tracking techniques to hit correct weight on new locomotives when I worked at Electromotive Diesel, such as SD70ACS and GT38ACe.
@MrPePeLePuo
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the secrets you have disclosed in this video, I am well on my way to building the very first Mach 10 Aircraft!!! Thanks onshape and DarkAero, Inc
@ramr7051
2 жыл бұрын
Damn you could make a documentary or feature film out of this. Have you been in the news a lot? I'm always impressed by the level of polish and professionalism in your work. Always look forward to your videos - and towards the first flight as well, of course!
@erikig
2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Colin Chapman’s obsession with weight and performance in auto racing. Kudos to the team!
@brianb-p6586
Жыл бұрын
This it the third reference to Colin Chapman that I have noticed here. I doubt that many people familiar with the reliability and durability of Lotus cars would trust their lives to an aircraft built the same way.
@cf6282
2 жыл бұрын
I am an engineer myself and close to getting my LAPL. A really good video describing the entire design and build process. Yes many more items can be discussed and need attention. But this video really is a great educational tool. I will sure keep following progress! Thanks for making this video!
@dirtboy896
2 жыл бұрын
Been following for a few years now, glad to see you nearing completion
@felixcat9318
Жыл бұрын
"Simplify, then add lightness" Quote of Colin Chapman, Owner, Chief Design Engineer of Lotus, the constructor of race and road cars famed for their performance, handling and lightness! Your videos are a joy to watch, a real masterclass! Your aircraft will be phenomenal, and by having control over every aspect, your commitment to design and construct the aircraft to the specification you want is attainable. Being meticulously precise about weight, and how to improve design and manufacturing to gain additional lightness is vital.
@hunteran
Жыл бұрын
I think Ed Heinemann had a similar phrase.
@jcims
2 жыл бұрын
14:00 This is something i learned by watching Mike Patey work on his aircraft. A near obsession by optimizing mass for the application everywhere all the time..it adds up. Love the videos you guys have been putting out. Can’t wait to see folks flying this in the wild.
@kraftwurx_Aviation
2 жыл бұрын
Super light also has some negatives. 1. Tossed around by lighter winds. 2. Less inertia when idle during landing so wind gusts can reduce speed fast. 3. Crosswind components will matter more. 4. Will bounce off the runway easier when landing.
@gerrybeylerian5290
2 жыл бұрын
The issues you are describing can be overcome with careful wing loading selection. I don't know the DarkAero's wing loading is, so can't comment on whether it will be more easily tossed around...
@StephensonRaceTech
2 жыл бұрын
Very cool! I did my degree in Aero Engineering, this is the dream I had then. Will be great to see it up close some day!
@GasoliniASMR
2 жыл бұрын
Lightweight and simplicity in design often makes for a beautiful machine but this is stunning. Congratulations!
@grh4721971
Жыл бұрын
I love the progress videos. Really cool aircraft. But I must say the outtakes were hysterical.
@appa609
Жыл бұрын
Your whole company's design philosophy remonds me of our university design team. Really optimizing the product and no marketing bs
@saromarcarian4709
Жыл бұрын
Loved the data filled in on the Onshape ad
@tafaragadze6432
2 жыл бұрын
I love the bloopers at the end. Reminds you that they're just people too and makes them a lot more relatable, as remarkable as they are.
@barirwin8559
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video for any innovator . Thank you for sharing your knowledge, and the very best of luck with the Aero 1.
@danielleriley2796
Жыл бұрын
When Mazda made a new MX5 years ago they wanted to keep the weight right down. They had engineers look at every single part, nothing was excluded, and then reduce the weight even if it was only a gram. I saw this is a feature on Top Gear UK. Mazda managed to reduce the weight of the rear vision mirror by 90 grams / 3 ounces. First off that’s great, second is what was going on in that mirror to start with? You seem to be setting yourself up to do the same. You know what you have and what it needs to do and you control the construction. So now you can get super critical on everything. The Dark aero is a Rapier rather than a broad sword. Both will kill you but ones a refined seemingly delicate design and the other is a beast.
@rogerclarke3291
Жыл бұрын
Awesome Video and aircraft. Your teaching style is clear and easy to understand. Thanks for posting.
@thinkflight
2 жыл бұрын
This plane is incredible. The guys behind it equally so. Wishing much success.
@2thelimitandthensome
2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video! I really appreciate your willingness to teach others. I would love to see a video like this on aeronautical design, sizing, speed estimate, and range estimate. Great Job 👍🏻
@nick37781
2 жыл бұрын
This is the only youtube series that I have enjoyed following in like 10 years of using youtube
@mikelaughlin4470
2 жыл бұрын
We’ll done guys, outstanding as usual! Being a pilot I appreciate the importance of minimizing the empty weight.
@morpheus6394
2 жыл бұрын
Please use the metric system or have the conversions on screen... This channel is for a worldwide audience.
@jackglossop4859
2 жыл бұрын
You’ve clearly got an interest in flying. If you can’t do a rough lbs/kg conversion in your head you might be in the wrong game
@morpheus6394
2 жыл бұрын
@@jackglossop4859 but why do the concernversions for 18min... When the default measurement system Is the metric system. The Egyptians didn't use the imperial system to build the pyramids did they???
@jackglossop4859
2 жыл бұрын
@@morpheus6394 don’t get me wrong I think the imperial system is absolutely appalling. 😆
@brianb-p6586
Жыл бұрын
The U.S. aviation industry is extremely resistant to change. When anti-gravity is invented, they'll still be describing its behaviour in pounds.
@willhall4631
2 жыл бұрын
onshape is awesome. The engineering/design firm I work for uses it and its an excellent platform for anyone, but especially when your team is spread out.
@kenvangoe9358
2 жыл бұрын
When you think you're done another idea pops into you're head sometimes good sometimes not so good but those usually are disposed of with hands on demonstration and real world use and safety but not at the cost of reliability and control don't concentrate on just the weight but the integrity of the build this plane is a game changer with the design and technical aspects galore great job
@waywardscythe3358
2 жыл бұрын
It's really cool seeing the stuff my team is doing for SAE Aerodesign carried over to a full scale aircraft. And actually you've inspired me to crack down on our somewhat lax part weight tracking.
@ryanreviews8566
2 жыл бұрын
she is an absolutely beauty! can't wait to see this fly
@nitroxide17
2 жыл бұрын
Good engineering principles being applied here
@artur.bordianu
Жыл бұрын
This project is a piece of art!! Congratulations and good luck further to all the team members!
@alexmontero3642
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Gorgeous, Loved watching how you guys designed and built every part. Good luck on the first flight. Cannot wait to see this Beauty Flying.
@EJWash57
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such a clear and understandable presentation. Getting close to airworthy certification? Nice!
@scott_aero3915
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video - if you want to make a lightweight vehicle with credibility, this is how you do it. I am following a similar process with my drone work. I'll be honest, when I'm looking for money to help grow my business, and someone asks what my plan is - I'm going to say I'm mostly just copying you guys! I hope to see a DarkAero 1 in the UK someday soon!
@russelllowry1061
2 жыл бұрын
as a 61 year old bonanza pilot I love all things airplane. Now that family is grown up , may down size to something like the dark aero for me and the wife in the future. Best of luck to you guys.
@ChristopheD_
2 жыл бұрын
Very good video. like a teaser! It made me understood how much brain and work were involved behind the scene. Thanks
2 жыл бұрын
For me, this is the most exciting project that I'm following. If I lived near Madison, I'd seriously consider volunteering. It looks like a really cool plane and I'm looking forward to seeing it fly, but I'll probably never be able to afford one. Good luck guys!
@billwilber9089
Жыл бұрын
Looking good. You guys have it figured out. Five years from now when you've sold more than a thousand, you will have streamlined construction and working on "DarkAero 3". DarkAero-2 would be done and in production.
@DarkAeroInc
Жыл бұрын
Bill, thanks for the kind words! We'll see how things progress with the DarkAero 1. Hopefully well enough to think about a 2 or 3. :)
@Jimbo-in-Thailand
2 жыл бұрын
👍👍 DarkAero - WOW only ~750 lbs with a 200 HP big fan in the front! My then new 1981 Cessna 172RG only had a 180 HP Lycoming! Can't wait to see a video of your first flights. BTW just subscribed. Regards from STEAMING HOT Thailand! 😁
@ulfbowallius
Жыл бұрын
I’m impressed and really look forward to your next video. My latest airplane was a Glasair 1 TD with a 360 Lycoming. I really enjoyed to fly and weight optimize that plane. Your Darkaero will be something else though. Supercool!
@vmpgsc
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content. Thank you guys. Looking forward to first flight.
@n176ldesperanza7
2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding job. I can't wait to see real world performance numbers. That empty weight is unreal. I built an RV-6A. It came out pretty heavy for a 6A because I kept adding things and performance took a hit. Your weight discipline is really going to pay off.
@markthibault8579
2 жыл бұрын
Impressive! This fits with the Colin Chapman approach to design: Simplify, then add lightness. Also Gordon Murray's obsession with weight too.
@rv6ejguy
2 жыл бұрын
Great job in hitting your weight targets and another great vid explaining how you accomplished that.
@fsierrai
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Absolutely hats off! What a beauty of engineering. Congratulations to the whole team.
@DK-Design
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy Onshape! The last assembly I was working on was 1,576 parts, and it was chugging hard. I need to work on my best practices.
@66aviator
2 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC video guys. Love the outtakes at the end too!
@chibooga
2 жыл бұрын
What an informative video. Thank you!
@Pedro5antos_
2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME! Congrats to all the team
@AirwavesEnglish
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so, SO excited for you guys. Can't wait to see a massive success from this!
@timgarrett203
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! With your cad model volume, what is your total vehicle density? Density is another good way to compare vehicles. Also, add in the Zenith aluminum airplanes for comparison. They are very light, too.
@DarkAeroInc
2 жыл бұрын
Good call! The Zenith CH 650 would have been another low wing 2-seat kitplane we could have added to the comparison. Total vehicle density would be an interesting comparison. 🤔
@herrjonna2007
2 жыл бұрын
This is so exciting! It's coming together!
@AF_CSL
Жыл бұрын
Congrats guys. This is an exciting project! Good work.
@Giovanni.Tedeschini
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much - this was an amazing summary of what I really always wanted to know about wings.
@darklyte24
2 жыл бұрын
So proud of you guys cant wait to see it fly.
@sailor5026
Жыл бұрын
Comprehensive. Thank you.
@christianbowes7907
2 жыл бұрын
Best ep yet. Enjoyed hearing about the design principles
@randomthings2711
2 жыл бұрын
In terms of your weight to HP graph, do you know roughly where Mike Patey’s Scrappy and former Draco would fall?I feel like those planes would be up near DarkAero 1. There is no doubt both your team and he and leading revolutionary changes in GA for the better! Keep up the amazing work!!
@PDZ1122
2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing lightweight about Scrappy. It's the equivalent of an aerial monster truck. Only the ridiculous power makes up the power to weight ratio to anything reasonable.
@jcims
2 жыл бұрын
@@PDZ1122 it’s light for its capability buuut its a flying firetruck so…
@makethepart
2 жыл бұрын
What an insightful review of some of the uniqueness that makes the Dark Aero 1 so special.
@JDK73772
2 жыл бұрын
Yall are truly inspiring. Your pride in waht you do shows in the final product.
@curvs4me
2 жыл бұрын
Exceptional work brothers. Really quite an achievement. While I understand you were simply following the Colin Chapman playbook, it's not something so easily done. You had to obsess over everything to get there. Of course there are always lessons learned and grams found. For the first iteration, it's nothing short of incredible. Zylon is another material with super strength and even less density than carbon. 3rd party producers list Aramids as Zylon but it doesn't compare.
@jlunde35
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, guys, for teaching us about aeronautical engineering. Fascinating.
@TIO540S1
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll never build an airplane and this isn’t the airplane for me (I fly a Cessna 441 / Conquest II) but I love your channel for its deep and detailed explanations. I wish you every success!
@baomao7243
2 жыл бұрын
Worlds collide! A twin turboprop is a sweet ride. Modern high-performance singles can be sweet. I like both paths to higher speeds - they both channel my inner engineer. On the other hand, the potential safety of a twin is t lost of me. 👍
@effortaward
2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Thanks so much going through the process. Can’t wait to see it fly, and then the awesome cross country trips you’re going to have
@gerrycooper56
2 жыл бұрын
Simple explanations of a complicated process - thanks.
@morganwilliamson6393
2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see that thing fly. Keep Grinding it fellas!
@dereksellars
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update. Very informative :) Can't wait to see it Fly!~!
@robertoruisanchez4949
2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations. That is a great milestone achievement at the 1st prototype stage. You are building way more than an airplane ✈️, this solid foundation in design and manufacturing effectivity will lead to
@robertoruisanchez4949
2 жыл бұрын
future options and other products. Thanks for sharing your path and hope your certifications comes soon.
@scpowered
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the details and sneak peek into your design methods! Well done and put together 👍
@thoward0
Жыл бұрын
This is hopefully the beginning of an era of general optimization and consolidation.
@terryboehler5752
2 жыл бұрын
715 pounds is single place Pitts Special weight. J-3 weight. It makes me sooooo happy to see such weight discipline. It's the key to everything. Good job. I'm still pushing for augmentor tube exhaust. Specifically for the cooling advantage. Especially during long taxis on hot days. Yes, it works also at very low power settings. It's free performance.
@ashsmitty2244
2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure you could have one of your own considering it’s in the experimental category.
@TheLastCrankers
2 жыл бұрын
Collin Chapman is smiling from above on this project. Very interesting!
@db58
2 жыл бұрын
Burt Rutan was once asked how a builder should decide if they should add something to his aircraft's plans. He said, "Throw it up in the air, if it comes back down, don't add it to the plane."
@tomcoryell
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for the inspiration.
@sfixx
2 жыл бұрын
“Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” From Airman’s Odyssey by Antoine de Saint-Exupery
@GravityKnightFlying
2 жыл бұрын
Neat build guys! That is pretty darn light!!
@charlesblithfield6182
2 жыл бұрын
This is a very cool video that explains a lot of interesting engineering solutions in a concise clear way.
@BillCutter310
5 ай бұрын
Good grief... the wing is so light that two guys can carry it around. I work only on the Cessna 310... the wings are bolted to the fuselage. Just one wing is so heavy that it takes an adjustable cradle to support it while it's removed from the fuselage, and a crane to lift it. Crazy good work there, guys.
@ralphheadrick325
2 жыл бұрын
Perfection is reached when nothing else can be removed. Ya Mon!
@Shadowboost
2 жыл бұрын
This is essentially the Gordon Murray approach, being applied to aircraft! Very cool
@Mad_Dirty
2 жыл бұрын
@11:00 - Lets talk about that WRT54G dinosaur router kicking around back behind the CNC.
@divarachelenvy
2 жыл бұрын
thank you for explaining all of this...
@Sirmellowman
2 жыл бұрын
this is going to be the most fun airplane to fly ever made. some motorcycles weigh more....that is WILD
@davidrobins4025
2 жыл бұрын
It will be an exciting day when you share the first flight of DarkAero.
@experimental_av
2 жыл бұрын
Wow didn't know it was so light. Have you considered targeting the European microlight market? Wouldn't work as a kit but people already pay serious money for racers like the VL3. CS and retracts are common and don't break any rules like in the US.
@moriarteaa4692
2 жыл бұрын
Maximum weight for two seaters is 450kg Takeoffweight. That is not reachable with this concept. Maybe a later, smaller Dark Aero with less engine power and less reach could work
@Mike-oz4cv
2 жыл бұрын
Won’t work, everything is in imperial units.
@experimental_av
2 жыл бұрын
@@moriarteaa4692 was recently increased to 600kg
@moriarteaa4692
2 жыл бұрын
In whole of Europe? I heard it was germany
@BrotheuZ
2 жыл бұрын
Stall speed is too high for ultra's under EASA regulations 🤔
@Maviation
2 жыл бұрын
Will be a nice machine when finished. Some questions - Will it be IFR approved? - What do you calculate for Fuel consumption in cruise? And ofcours - Cruisespeed? - I have a hard time do belive that the aircraft will cruise at 275 MPH most of the times. MOGAS? - Any thougts of offering a "all inclusive" kit? Engine, brakes etc? Then a small note, please update your homepage to knots and Nautical miles, and preferably so that you can easily convert to worldstandard measurements (mm, cm, liters..) it´s a mess trying to do it myself to find out if the plane fits me :)
@lukeb1807
2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone seen how Gordon Murray has gone about making his T.50 car so light, its really interesting I’d recommend you watch the video on it.
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