Happy to see so many of you willing to try again, despite it very clearly being an uphill battle. Will update you all in a few days, we all want to make sure things go as best they can. Stay tuned...
@play_hd3
2 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see what you got cooking
@Kvetc.h
2 ай бұрын
yes
@Limesx2
2 ай бұрын
My body is ready
@Holyadorbsans
2 ай бұрын
Round two square up valve
@Lonqudor
2 ай бұрын
I feel there should be some sort of central hub for people to discuss, and especially organise, SaveTF2 related movements. Maybe a Discord server or something?
@mr.tatortot6469
2 ай бұрын
call it #FixTF2 as it gets the point across better
@dingbing1539
2 ай бұрын
You sir, are a genius.
@enn1924
2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@shadykitty7493
2 ай бұрын
ya i enver really liked save much lol
@lukgacha9397
2 ай бұрын
Yes sir! it no longer #savetf2 its #Fixtf2
@tik2243
2 ай бұрын
FixTf2 Fix Bugs? Fix what?
@WraithTDK
2 ай бұрын
I'be been saying this on r/TF2 since #SaveTF2 started: the GLARINGLY obvious problem with #SaveTF2 was the total lack of planning or organization. It was announced TWO DAYS beforehand. There were no formally stated objectives, not time to plan, no time to get the word out. That means that big KZitemrs & influencers who may have participated and added weight to the movement migh tnot have even HEARD about it until it was too late. And without clearly stated objectives, you can't gage success. So, a second #SaveTF2 is a fine idea...but this time, let's get those "on X date" pictuers circulating at leat a week or two ahead of time, as well as some sort of "here's what we want" list, which should be kept to the bare minimum "must haves." Edit: ALSO, very important: we need to kick the cheater, Monster Yambo. X-D
@aaronlaughter6471
2 ай бұрын
I mean you are correct, and no one will listen. Like for real, how in the fuck was Save TF2 going to work when it was an event that dropped on us 2 days in advance with NO stated objectives while every "leader" was doing there own thing. Oh Valve tweeted something, guess that means TF2 is saved... ignore the bugs, bots, lack of updates etc etc, valve tweeted so that means we won.
@thehansboi
2 ай бұрын
Gotta get this to the top this is so good
@dominikcz198
2 ай бұрын
The best way to save tf2: Revert it to pre-mym and bring back quickplay. Simple.
@isg4
2 ай бұрын
One problem was also that the movement wasn't directly adressing the issue at hand, the bots It was just people going on about how much they love the game Like Zesty Jesus said, you need to tell the fire department that your house is burning down, not to scream about how much you love your house
@temst2561
2 ай бұрын
@@aaronlaughter6471doomposter
@lezlienewlands1337
2 ай бұрын
TF2 Classic got shut-down by Valve, then the devs got fed up by being ghosted and re-released it anyway. Just like WoW Classic. The fire's there. We just need to stoke it and get it going!
@BillyBobBoBilly
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's hard to try and assume that it was simply more radio silence on Valve's part, rather than a weaselly way of getting the fan mod 'competitor' removed with minimal effort. But now I heard some months ago that somebody at Valve contacted the Team Fortress 2 Classic team, along with the Open Fortress team, to roll their mods into mainline TF2? Can't find anything on this since.
@P.H691
2 ай бұрын
One thing that is always taught is that history is doomed to repeat itself. The parallels are so close, it just needs a push.
@Ninjaeule97
2 ай бұрын
@BillyBobBoBilly Valve has a history of hiring mod developers so I wouldn't be surprised.
@MixMasterLuffy
Ай бұрын
@@BillyBobBoBilly For real hope that's true
@Monkey62403
Ай бұрын
This isnt 1999. Grow up.
@Nachotaco101
2 ай бұрын
the bot crisis is a prime example of "the indomitable human spirit" vs "a cold uncaring universe"
@enzoborghetto
2 ай бұрын
even if were not succeding, even if it will all come to an end, at least we had fun along the way
@kaiserwasd
2 ай бұрын
@@enzoborghetto the real anti cheat was the friends we made along the way
@manunova5929
2 ай бұрын
At least we'll have pushed the cart the highest it was ever pushed.
@DaRealDemobird
2 ай бұрын
@@manunova5929*One must imagine the tf2 community happy*
@andreivoicu8892
2 ай бұрын
@@DaRealDemobird despite how unrealistic that may seem...
@TheWhatShow
2 ай бұрын
I'd much rather try and fail then not try at all I said that 2 years ago during the original savetf2 again and I'll boldly say it again. Something needs to be done
@Random-user22
2 ай бұрын
ya
@CoolSs
2 ай бұрын
This what i been saying. Do nothing, nothing happens. Do something and things might change.
@starmaker75
2 ай бұрын
Rather scream and flip the void before then just saying screw it.
@CoolSs
2 ай бұрын
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 oh look. The NPC is here.
@whiteroach3
2 ай бұрын
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 You're even more delusional if you think it isn't at least worth trying.
@CrustyTheMoist
2 ай бұрын
"We can grab our sneako chairs and watch the game get plowed" you're foul for that. Banger line
@stevensilver3093
2 ай бұрын
if valve doesnt listen im gonna have to get involved
@BobThe500
2 ай бұрын
oh damn
@nettalie4435
2 ай бұрын
Oh fuck
@ScorchShotEnjoyer69
2 ай бұрын
Оh Scheiße
@oliverjade6998
2 ай бұрын
dear god...
@Tenninch
2 ай бұрын
How are you going to get involved?
@2LitersOfMilk
2 ай бұрын
" this server is VAC protected " the server : full of bots
@JackCabbit20
2 ай бұрын
*loads in near full game* *everyone is a sniper* *pick an engineer* *Aimbotted as soon as i spawn in* *votekicked out the game*
@Noahs_Chair
2 ай бұрын
"We got 25 fucking letters of the Alphabet left" is actually such a banger line.
@trickstab7903
2 ай бұрын
"It might be only a 1% chance, but how many of you have you unboxed unusuals? 1% can happen" goes unbelievably hard also
@maskofthedragon
2 ай бұрын
@@trickstab7903 Um, ACTUALLY, unusuals have a LESS than 1% unbox rate! (Pulls up glasses and uses inhaler)
@yazidefirenze
2 ай бұрын
@@maskofthedragon And it STILL happens
@PhaloeTF2
2 ай бұрын
@@maskofthedragon sell me your panic attack please ty!
@asfzg2870
2 ай бұрын
PLAN Z I LOVE PLAN Z
@SketchG
2 ай бұрын
"If fighting is sure to result in a victory, then you must fight!" - Sun Tzu
@RStheToon
2 ай бұрын
And we’ll continue to fight as long as it works!
@madcatmk213
2 ай бұрын
and i'd say he knows a little bit more about it than you do pal because he invented it!
@Clazzette
2 ай бұрын
i am seeing this comment at work and this made me cry.
@heartattackphil
2 ай бұрын
@@madcatmk213and then he perfected it so no living man could best him in the in of honour
@amandalowe8483
2 ай бұрын
"Sons, who said that?"- Soldier Tf2
@epicman1470
2 ай бұрын
i forgot this was a video about saving tf2 and not a video essay on the history of WoW
@thetealturtwig5667
2 ай бұрын
"Yea, plan A didn't work. But we still have 25 letters of the F&%king alphabet left." one of the greatest things Ive ever heard.
@purplehaze2358
2 ай бұрын
Wait, it's been _2 years_ since the original SaveTF2 movement? Jesus, it feels like it's been so much less than that.
@Fulgoneto_CT_5555
2 ай бұрын
Man I feel old
@mizan9794
2 ай бұрын
jungle inferno was 7 years ago, i feel really old
@mukyuuhikuu
2 ай бұрын
@@mizan9794 i cant believe this. i genuinely didnt believe you i had to look it up, i just got hit in the brick with time god damn..
@mizan9794
2 ай бұрын
@@mukyuuhikuu I can't believe 2017 was that long ago, it feels like just 3 years have passed.
@iskanderrg
2 ай бұрын
And around 4 years since all this shit began...
@BanjoGate
2 ай бұрын
The same thing happened with oldschool runescape. The developers released update after update which nobody liked. A rather large private server of the 2006 version of the game came out, was taken down, then they proposed oldschool 2007 servers and got over 400k signatures... Now oldschool is nearly their flagship product.
@thechugg4372
2 ай бұрын
This is literally the opposite problem that tf2 has, the devs do nothing for the game.
@SturgGaeming
2 ай бұрын
Did you miss the point? This is what can happen if we do enough for the game.
@BanjoGate
2 ай бұрын
@@SturgGaeming No, I didn't miss the point... I was pointing out that community involvement is what brought back WoW classic, as well as oldschool runescape (which came back in 2013, even before the Wow private server stuff went down)
@numbersstationsarchive194
2 ай бұрын
Now ironically the same thing that happened to RS back in 2012 is now happening to OSRS, with the release of bonds, stagnant end-game reddit content, and huge bot farms.
@chefoil3045
2 ай бұрын
@@BanjoGate the difference is that, the community shouting at a wall for so long (savetf2 for example). there is only one dev working on tf2 right now (god bless you eric), so the community wouldnt be able to do much unless more devs come over to tf2, which i doubt that would ever happen since tf2 is a decade old game
@stinkdoodle1
2 ай бұрын
I started TF2 only recently like a year or a couple months backs, but i feel connected to the game and I don't want it to die
@pokemonduck
2 ай бұрын
as long as there are fans like you it will never die :D
@JackieTrippsTheMemeLord
Ай бұрын
God, I hope no one will mention that "sleepy incident" on the stream
@kurutical
Ай бұрын
Are you referring to ZestyJesus's stream? Weezy was on it earlier
@JackieTrippsTheMemeLord
Ай бұрын
@@kurutical indeed sir
@kurutical
Ай бұрын
@@JackieTrippsTheMemeLord Lmao that was a fucking embarrassing shitshow for weezy
@whoisanarnb
Ай бұрын
Sleepy Joe
@txmerity
2 ай бұрын
“grab our sneako chairs and watch our game get plowed.” one of the best quotes i’ve ever heard
@TheDude8008
2 ай бұрын
I just remembered who that was
@critfish7545
2 ай бұрын
I think it's important that we set some clear goals for what we want out of Valve. Remember what we *really* need from them. All TF2 needs, is to be reliably playable for the foreseeable future. This boils down to two demands: - Solve the bot issue, cheating bots primarily but also idle bots. - Restore F2P ability to chat. *We don't need the Heavy Update, we don't need new weapons or rebalances, we just need the game to be reliably playable.* New content only matters once the bot issues have been solved. Let's focus on that before we demand new content updates.
@metric353
2 ай бұрын
One thing that i think must absolutely be pushed for is giving matchmaking the ability to put players into community servers again. Since community servers are (or at least can be) moderated, the bots wouldn't be able to cause nearly as much havoc there, plus community servers can add custom weapons and balance changes, kinda like what creators.tf did years back. It's just that now players would be able to find those servers naturally through actually playing the game, instead of needing to be told about it outside the game, plus it lets valve not work on the game themselves since the community can handle adding things into the game. It probably wouldnt be a perfect solution, but I think itd be the best deal for all involved, valve doesnt need to work on the game, and the community still gets new toys to play with so long as the game itself functions. only problem i see with it being that initially most community servers would be kinda bad for while since so many have just been dead in the server browser for years, but once players start setting up their own servers that would fix it pretty fast
@banguseater
2 ай бұрын
honestly if this doesnt work, there needs to be some third party matchmaking tool with *community official servers* something similar like a faceit client hosted by community server hosters, like a community collective and just replace the valve official servers and keep the vanilla matchmaking experience but with self hosting ones that can be moderated
@metric353
2 ай бұрын
@@banguseater the problem with community solutions like that is that new players wont know about them unless someone tells them, which would slowly kill the game over time with a dwindling playerbase, although it is still significantly better than nothing as titanfall 2's northstar has shown
@LilyZayli
2 ай бұрын
As someone heavily involved in Vanilla WoW, from the private server days to today as a player of Classic WoW, I have also felt an extremely strong similarity between these two movements, especially with the FixTF2 petition. I think this will work this time, printed signitaures, persistance and a clear goal will have a much greater effect on Valve and on the future landscape of this community than forced positivity on a dire situation. While we aren't guarenteed to succeed, the last 5 years of Classic WoW versus the Bot crisis in TF2 tell me that we are finally on the right path. Let's do this, don't stop until the game is fixed!
@GunKick
2 ай бұрын
We should have another person show up to their offices in spy cosplay so they make a second tweet
@013wolfwarrior
2 ай бұрын
He should wear a Gabe mask too and try impersonate him
@GhostyGump
2 ай бұрын
He saved TF2 when no one did.
@TheWardenEngineer
2 ай бұрын
Entire BLU and RED teams cosplays (with Saxton Hale of course)
@vaan_
2 ай бұрын
@@013wolfwarrior come on not every dude with a beard-
@kozmonauta0515
2 ай бұрын
@@vaan_ CAVE JOHNSON HERE
@someguyness
2 ай бұрын
"It's not over til' it's over." If this is going to work we need to rally nearly everyone both inside and outside of the community together. Redditors, Twitter users, Big and small KZitemrs, and fans of the game in general. We need to make our voices heard. Instead of telling Valve about how much we love the game, we need to effectively get the message across and say that the game we all love is broken, at times nearly unplayable, idle-botted to high heck for profit, and receiving little to no actual updates to fix anything. I'm done sitting in complacent silence waiting for something to happen and I'm done being told to "shut up" whenever anyone talks about the bot crisis online, and I'm fairly sure a lot of you are as well. Let us, as a community make our voices loud and clear and not let up until Valve actually does something to fix the game!
@Beutepanzer
2 ай бұрын
HECK THERES BASICALLY A SUB FANDOM FOR TF2 FAN GAMES ON ROBLOX WE HAVE THE NUMBERS ON EVERY PLATFORM
@coffin7904
2 ай бұрын
Redditors unite!
@wormonastring14
2 ай бұрын
Quit the defeatist attitude! only YOU can save TF2!
@ziphy_6471
2 ай бұрын
I want YOU for #FixTF2
@themonkeymang
2 ай бұрын
as long as the game is still on steam there will be a community server with people playing it
@RichterOvertime
2 ай бұрын
title: How we can save tf2 content: *world of warcraft history lesson* Love u weezy.
@DPWLVr
2 ай бұрын
69 likes nice
@source_ethusiast
2 ай бұрын
hello source game man
@perryorbit5304
2 ай бұрын
123 likes nice
@Piercing_Mitez
2 ай бұрын
hello corpse_01 guy
@Mai.Calico
2 ай бұрын
And you make skibidi toilet videos. Are you any better
@aquamarinerose5405
2 ай бұрын
"Plan A didn't work, but we got 25 fucking letters left" PLAN Z PLAN Z PLAN Z
@Carp_surfer1558
2 ай бұрын
ITS LEMON SCENTED
@what982
2 ай бұрын
@@Carp_surfer1558 ITS DIABOLICAL
@ricefarmer-kr4yv
2 ай бұрын
We still have greece alphabet and cryptic alphabet as well
@paulmann8570
2 ай бұрын
@@Carp_surfer1558That’s just the folder containing lewd pictures of Scout’s mother and the Red Spy. It’s Z for “Zesty”.
@Killerstar13
2 ай бұрын
Plan S if you get the reference
@ThatOneHusky
2 ай бұрын
Something I'd like to add to this discussion as well. Even outside another #SaveTF2 movement, there are still things we can do that could help not only mitigate the bot problem but also maybe give Valve more of a reason to pick the game back up on a more active sort of schedule or whatever. First and foremost, we need to try and help newer plays as best as we can to get into the game. Interact with them, coach/teach them, engage with them, etc. I know it's a little hard cus of the newbies cant talk thing (idk if they can use text chat) but making it easier for newer players to get into the game with guides, talking to them, etc. could help raise the number of human players and maybe drown out the bots to some degree. In continuation to that, try to get people into TF2. Now, I don't mean going to every comment section, forum, etc posting about how everyone should play TF2. If you have a friend that likes shooters, try asking them if they've tried TF2 and if not/they used to play, ask them to get back into it/try it with you! Helping the community grow both in and out of game could help draw more attention to the game from both Valve and people as a whole. And then continuing on from getting attention, post! And I mean past the #SaveTF2 stuff! Interact with the community, comment on a cool or funny video, go through the steam workshop and upvote/downvote stuff and then give CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (Don't just say stuff like its bad or good. Saying its just good is fine but try to put into words why you think its good. And if you think its bad, comment about it RESPECTFULLY.). There are surely many ways to go about this that I probably don't realize exist tbh. And there's plenty more (some require throwing in some money here and there) like setting up servers both in game and out (discord), setting up events, and surely more that I'm not thinking of. And like weezy said, There isn't an amazing chance that this is going to work, but how will we know if we don't try? I know it's cheesy but we miss 100% of the shots we don't take. And it's not like trying is going to hurt us anyways either cus the worst that happens is Valve doesn't notice/ignores us and things stay the same as it already has been.
@boqk
2 ай бұрын
"hell yeah" is the only thing I was thinking throughout this video
@bokbliner
2 ай бұрын
i think youve earned the title:"Shortest KZitem video description that still describes the entire video." with this one
@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja
2 ай бұрын
How about "mrrp mrrp meow mrrp meow"?
@MinorInconvenience666
2 ай бұрын
@@Tommuli_HaudankaivajaHow about "Chinese chef killed a man dressed in a large cat suit (furry) "
@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja
2 ай бұрын
@@MinorInconvenience666 That's longer.
@danius_huganius
2 ай бұрын
this kind of reminds me of old english, there was no "A" before so you could see something like, he was good king as it was the case of, "he was god cyning" or "þæt wæs god cyning"
@Professor_Genki7
2 ай бұрын
Based chinese @@MinorInconvenience666
@Lonqudor
2 ай бұрын
This game has a community where if someone makes 2 Save TF2 videos, they get labelled a “doomposter”. For any SaveTF2 movement to work, EVERY TF2 player needs to be coordinated on the idea. I have had shown to me that that is practically impossible. But god damnit, am I willing to try a new approach to this problem!
@prestoncrenshaw2914
2 ай бұрын
Where have I seen this guy before
@exhaustedphobia9304
2 ай бұрын
#SaveTF2
@LiberalOwned
2 ай бұрын
your videos suck
@Able0776
2 ай бұрын
@@prestoncrenshaw2914yea alr buddy
@manhoovy193
2 ай бұрын
Epic gamer, you are
@Cyynapse
2 ай бұрын
seeing Grummz mentioned was like a jumpscare i could feel the baldness emanating from my screen
@danielsurvivor1372
2 ай бұрын
15:15 You don't get this Weezy, WoW succeeded because Blizzard were just stupid, they had HOW many players wanting classic WoW? And what do WE have? Our real player numbers are pathetic in comparison to WoW, they won because there was money in it to make, so WoW Devs swallowed their pride for the dolla. So I'd argue those toxic players who constantly tried to held onto Tf2ubers indirectly had it right, if we want TF2 to get any change we really need to grow the playerbase, obviously don't be toxic about it I hope I don't have to say it. Also video doesn't take into account that CS2 struggles with similar issues with VAC, so if we really want to win, we NEED for CS2 to have their WoW Classic moment, they're the only playerbase big enough to make Valve care. So maybe if TF2 and CS2 players can put their differences aside and work together to demand for better Vac we could get something going. Alternatively I genuinely think it may be possible to squeeze from Valve concessions on autonomy, grow Tf2Classic popularity, by making it closer to vanilla TF2 and then grow it's playerbase and demand Valve to give community more autonomy, they could still have their own unique community crates or other stuff and Valve would still take whatever money cut they need. Seriously the early TF2 was as popular as it was due yo community servers, it's time for thek to come back in strength, focus all strength on promoting one community server mod(and I mean mod, like TF2Classic and not Uncle Dane servers please I don't want endless engies 😢) and hopefully we can cook something. TL;DR 1)If we going WoW route then get the alliance with CS2 community, get them to help us push general VAC update movement. 2)Or we can go Autonomy route and try to push Tf2Classic(or just get a new mod that is just vanilla TF2 with super rare updates)to become new vanilla way to experience TF2. Maybe the Casual button will now auto redirect you to custom TF2 mod that's 90% vanilla or more 3)Or again, go back to our roots and promote community servers.
@shnorglebop1798
2 ай бұрын
I know the games aren’t even nearly as active or alive on the same level as TF2, but Unreal Tournament and UT2004 are both still kicking and the whole reason is community servers. The master server for UT99 was shut down ages ago so literally every aspect of the game is managed by the community, small though it may be. TF2 is lucky to still be supported by Valve, so I think the hope lies in the community really banding together, it’s worked in the past.
@colinmccauley9257
2 ай бұрын
I don't think the "devs" swallowed their pride so much as the C-level execs told them to.
@risinivy
2 ай бұрын
Sounds like you're onto something here. I'm not sure how doable it would be to get enough of CS2's playerbase to band together with the TF2 playerbase, but it can only lead to benefits for both parties. Plus, in the end, even if we don't get our demands met, this alliance could still lead to larger community growth and interaction between bases, which could bolster numbers and morale for another attempt later down the line. You have quite a compelling plan here, and I'm personally on board with it!
@JMAATV669
2 ай бұрын
TF2 is a 17 year old game. Let's make it live longer.
@Demopans5990
2 ай бұрын
Arguably pretty easy when the community hosts the servers. Just revert Meet Your Match and send casual queue into vanilla-enough community servers along with the official ones. After all, it's kinda how CS and Minecraft lasted for so long
@CoolSs
2 ай бұрын
@@Demopans5990 i been saying this for years and i do 100% agree. #BringBackQuickPlay
@JMAATV669
2 ай бұрын
@@Demopans5990 jesus that's genius
@bananapepperben
2 ай бұрын
wouldn’t that just make it even easier for bots to get into community servers? admittedly community servers can have more dictative rules without consequences, potentially kicking more bots, but the servers that don’t pivot to managing the bot count will get infested, leading to even less servers with real people.
@salsamancer
2 ай бұрын
@@bananapepperbenit should be pretty easy to keep community servers free of bots with some active moderation. If it gets real bad you can use a whitelist and have players register with a short waiting period. Combine this with some basic sanity checks to make sure the Steam accounts registering actually belong to a human.
@punstartracer
2 ай бұрын
My biggest problem with the original movement is that it was essentially the bare minimum, chat got disabled, trades got a lot more locked down, all that stuff, but then 3 weeks after the patches the public servers went back to how they used to be and no one said anything, because a lot of the people that wanted "TF2 fixed" didn't play TF2, they just wanted to lend a hand for the game they used to play in the 2010s. A lot more conscience needs to be laid out for people to see and understand the problem.
@bluesides8323
Ай бұрын
That sounds great... SO GIVE VALVE THE PETITION AND GIVE US DIRECTION. You aren't telling people what to do other than 'Say the same thing over and over for 2 months'. Don't wait for the summer update. Get the movement up and running again!
@KelradRez
2 ай бұрын
Roses are RED Violets are BLU Where are the spys? Right behind you.
@BobThe500
2 ай бұрын
A fairly simple idea that I have is a post kick cool down, similar to what CS competitive has. where after being kicked you are given a cool down that progressively gets larger depending on how many times its happened and how often, this would most likely halt how many bots are in the servers, dropping the amount of bots by a significant number. Maybe after 1 kick there's no cool down unless you are kicked in the next 2 games as well, just in order to prevent people who are kick undeservingly by the bots from being cool downed. Another idea is implementing a "bot" label to kicks, allowing for a collection of all accounts that are commonly kicked for being bots to be banned.
@BobThe500
2 ай бұрын
im not good at coding but this could likely be a workshop submission
@Myranos
2 ай бұрын
That is in fact a very good idea, I hope this comment gets read alot, this is a must
@colingaul9579
2 ай бұрын
One issue with this is that the bots could exploit this. I get kicked almost instantly whenever I join a server flooded with bots. Many other people do as well. Those people would be hurt by this change far more than they would be helped. Any change made to votekicks can just as easily be abused by the bots.
@BobThe500
2 ай бұрын
@@colingaul9579 true, maybe a trust factor system could be added, and if it’s low enough then your vote kick privileges could be removed, unsure how this could be implemented though, maybe through play time but even then that could be exploited too
@Myranos
2 ай бұрын
@@colingaul9579 everything will be exploited but we gotta start somewhere
@melonetankberry5211
2 ай бұрын
the answer you presented was: make private servers. the answer you selected was: petition. fumbled on the finish line.
@hotdogman7442
2 ай бұрын
Genuine question, wouldnt a captcha to verify if its a human player when joining the server a solution? We dont even need a full anti cheat just a captcha or human verification method
@susragejr477
2 ай бұрын
Tf2’s community has become the equivalent of a vault society in fallout
@thelivingglitch1371
2 ай бұрын
On a scale of “Control Vault” to “Vault 11,” how bad is it?
@susragejr477
2 ай бұрын
@@thelivingglitch1371 idk whats the worst one
@thelivingglitch1371
2 ай бұрын
@@susragejr477 Vault 11 in my eyes. It’s the one in New Vegas where people had to vote who to sacrifice every year.
@unironiccloudshrug340
2 ай бұрын
The TF2 community hates itself as much as it hates everyone else. The steam discussion boards are a literal dumpster fire that despises everything (to the point that they'll say the bots are good it's the friendlies that kill the game) then you have the reddit that...well it exists.
@unironiccloudshrug340
2 ай бұрын
To add onto this real quick, the steam discussion board fucking despises Weezy and all of his content, they will literally write a 15 page essay on why Weezy is a shitty youtuber, but this is par for the course because they hate every tftuber. It's a little circle jerk of like 3 or 4 people that will flood any fuckin discussion boards page with hate. It's not even funny, it's just sad.
@gaymare6236
2 ай бұрын
I think a massive enemy to this cause is Valve's Flatland policy. Since there are no higher ups to assign you to a project, we'd need valve employees to commit themselves to the treadmill, whereas most would rather work on the newest, shiniest project. Valve is kind of infamous for making a lot of cool stuff and then moving on to new cool stuff. Long term maintenance isn't really their MO
@ewhschrisc
2 ай бұрын
One could argue that Steam is their big long-term maintenance baby though. They aren't strangers to it.
@NoName......
2 ай бұрын
@@ewhschrisc Steam is a much different thing than tf2
@xXTomokoKurokiXx
2 ай бұрын
There is one way out of this, and it's called long-term contracts. I know valve is really reluctant to implement something like that but the fact of the matter is that TF2 _needs_ a dedicated group of devs/contractors to uphold its and the rest of Valve's games' playability.
@MagmaForce_
2 ай бұрын
If it wasn't for the tf2 background gameplay, I would have forgotten it was a tf2 video
@SamOliver4
2 ай бұрын
The WoW comparison is somewhat apt, but what's missing is that (a) the WoW community had a clear idea in mind of what they wanted the vision of the game to be and (b) a segment of the community was applying some legal/PR/business pressure on Blizzard in doing so by creating a private server running an old patch. #SaveTF2 won't be successful if it doesn't have the impetus to materially force Valve to do something, and it can't achieve that unless the TF2 community has their own equivalents of (a) and (b). Oh yeah, and all of this gets even harder if the Deadlock leaks materialize into something real. A lot harder to make Valve pay attention to you while they're developing a game that might very well replace TF2.
@RandomFurry07
2 ай бұрын
I'm very sure we're working on the first part We ain't doing the protest on the 2nd anniversary of the first
@GameBooAdvancePlus
2 ай бұрын
"how many of you unboxed an unusual?" Me: "I've never even unboxed a hat 😢"
@AnyHeroBlake
2 ай бұрын
I learned my lesson on CS:GO, just buy the one want, friend
@Tux7916
2 ай бұрын
All i did was craft and trade for one
@Low-PolygonKnight
2 ай бұрын
As a wise man once said, “That was a hell of a campaign son!” I believe in this too.
@Fulgoneto_CT_5555
2 ай бұрын
o7
@Cacaman536
2 ай бұрын
THIS CAMPAIGN ISN'T ENDING SOLDIER, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER AND GO DEFEND OUR BELOVED GAME
@brandonkoh8361
2 ай бұрын
Me : Wait's it was all bots Other me scrolling through player data back to meet your match: *Always has been*
@EchoMk2
2 ай бұрын
TF2 ain't TF2 without a bit of insanity
@No_Life_Alex
2 ай бұрын
ok, here's an odd idea that's so silly it might actually work: so one of the things that got blizzard to make WOW classic was having the physical representation of the signatures in hand. What if we as a community, on top of posting hashtags, made a real petition instead of an online one. We all send letters to valve with our name signed on them so that their mailbox is completely full. We could even just make one document to share around, all you gotta do is print it out, sign it, and mail it.
@GoldSpangledBananaBoy
2 ай бұрын
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 You might just be saying that to be a shitter, but i gotta admit the idea got a chuckle outta me.
@strayorion2031
2 ай бұрын
Probably email is enough
@No_Life_Alex
2 ай бұрын
@@strayorion2031 I mean the point is that it's physical
@blunestinredintel
2 ай бұрын
"Hello, would you like to sign my petition?"
@kaiserslavaniaashur1623
2 ай бұрын
@@blunestinredintel “Sign my petition damit or will it be your surviving family members?”
@gamersdisconnected7755
2 ай бұрын
i have never witnessed the glory of a tf2 update. THAT is on my bucket list, please make it happen guys.
@ditom86pl66
2 ай бұрын
This would be a quite difficult tast But if we would succeed in fixing the bots, then maybe?
@karlisulmanis3810
2 ай бұрын
I remember first playing during Meet your Match,mere months before Jungle Inferno.. I would've never guessed that that would put me in the nowadaus fairly exclusive camp of people who have "experienced a major update." Honestly, it just feels wild.
@DeathBringer097
2 ай бұрын
Same I joined tf2 right after blue moon so seeing a tf2 update is also on my bucket list too
@QWERTY708100
2 ай бұрын
lmao good luck with that, yall will never see that in your lifetime
@louctendo1321
2 ай бұрын
Same
@Comaxwolf
2 ай бұрын
I may have only joined the community this year, but I've been watching tf2 stuff for a few years now. I'm up for anything if it could mean saving this game that we hold so close to our hearts.
@thefantasticpug
2 ай бұрын
I remember staying up all night in the summer just to play MvM. I remember the window slightly open, the sun rising, the birds chirping, the cool breeze that I could feel with every breath, and that sweet summer morning temperature everything felt almost perfect in that moment, I’m glad that I took a minute just to sit there and look out the window just to take it all in. I look back on that night pretty often.
@Mud-Brain
2 ай бұрын
It's funny hearing the WoW story, considering RuneScape went through the exact same thing just a few years earlier. If I'm not mistaken, OldSchool RuneScape is the first official "Classic" MMO revival, or at least the first notable one. Private servers were already around, but when Jagex released a massive combat overhaul in 2013 that fundamentally changed the game, players rioted and left in droves. All those private servers began popping off like never before, offering the gameplay that was now gone from the main game. The difference here is that the community rallied together with a specific goal, and the company actually listened. After polling interest, Jagex immediately dug up a game backup from 2007 and got a classic server up and running, which eventually got its own series of updates. Nowadays it's considered the definitive version of the game, with 4x-5x the playerbase of the "main" game. At the moment, Valve is kinda sorta listening. We need to be organized and vocal, and hope for the best.
@woahbro665
2 ай бұрын
Everquest has had classic era progression servers and resets before OSRS came out, but Everquest is "niche" compared to Runescape and WoW so you don't hear much about it.
@boofhitter21
2 ай бұрын
mud brain appearance
@HeabSaysNo
2 ай бұрын
Snapple-fact of the day: Everquest (the Wow before Wow - legit half the wow team came from EQ) ---- has been doing "timelocked progression servers" since 2006 as well - I understand lots of people under the age of 35 might not have ever played EQ, but it set a precedent also.
@SoulBL4D3
2 ай бұрын
Osrs was also possible because even within the company itself the dev's didn't want the update as well. They knew it would "kill" the game and could motivate the idea for a legacy server to the higher ups. And to relate this to tf2 there is only a single dev on the game just shouting at him won't do anything good. The main culprit is Valve their flimsy anti cheat which is causing issues on cs2 as well. Valve should redirect their attention to updating and fixing that and apply it to both
@scoutgaming737
2 ай бұрын
i don't understand why the zesty video was a shock. You could've seen that the player count was bullshit by looking at the graph for a single second
@LordlyTV
2 ай бұрын
Most sane TF2 players don't know how to even read the playtime graphs in the loading screens :/
@emirturkmen4524
2 ай бұрын
Most people just don't look at it except to go "Holy shit we broke the record player numbers!!!" when updates happen, I'm guessing
@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD
2 ай бұрын
It was less of a shock and more of unnecessary. The contents of the video was basically a swift kick in the side, even though we were down.
@dazth3legend670
2 ай бұрын
The big playerbase was one of the main arguments some "fans" used to shit on other games, with that gone they have almost nothing
@ThrashRats
2 ай бұрын
Ignorance is bliss for this playerbase.
@BeanKing-Lord-of-Beans
2 ай бұрын
I didn't get the cast member dying bit. Anyone care to explain it?
@chamitoempire1672
2 ай бұрын
What does any of this have to do with MvM?
@mrstudent9125
2 ай бұрын
There was also a rumor of new hero shooter by Valve. They might step on TF2's toes.
@truestbluu
2 ай бұрын
team fortress 4
@ThrashRats
2 ай бұрын
I really hope that if this ends up being real and coming out, TF2 fans don't cry and try to start shit.
@misspotato813
2 ай бұрын
its a 6v6 3rd person shooter. I don't think there will be much overlap between the player base. Sure some TF2 players will try it, but the people still playing TF2 are probably going to continue playing TF2 once they realize the new game doesn't do what TF2 does.
@Labyrinth6000
2 ай бұрын
@@ThrashRatsjust you wait when bots flood that game. They already can’t fix CS2 hackers and cheaters problems, what makes you think they can release this without issue?
@Cinnamowo
2 ай бұрын
I literally heard about it for the first time not so long ago and it was in form of "leaked screenshots", but I hope they were fake, because it looked really generic and unimpressive
@FSRiko
2 ай бұрын
This is inspiring! Been playing TF2 since 2009. Definitely my favorite multiplayer game, and it's a shame what it's become. I'm eager to see what you're cooking and hopefully I can contribute in some way! 🙏
@assiddiq7360
2 ай бұрын
When these things are done can you make weapons that are good at MVM but bad at casual?
@U.Inferno
2 ай бұрын
At the beginning, one thing I thought could be done as an extension of #SaveTF2 or as someone else mentioned #FixTF2, was a one two punch of drumming up support and tip of the hats style charity event. I know TotH ended in 2021, but the prospect of gaining large scale attention by tying the cause to a charitable outlet to me seems like a mutually beneficial solution. People who don't necessarily care about TF2's state can support a good cause regardless, and #SaveTF2 can get its voice heard at all. Maybe collaborate with other charity events. Maybe Riff on the Splatfest model from Splatoon if we want to tie in game interaction. Although be careful in its structure so it can't easily be hijacked by the bots we're fighting. Community servers are pretty bot free all things considered so maybe use that as its core. It's one thing to be a fanbase whining about hackers, it's another to funnel that energy for something beyond us. In the end, even if TF2 never gets fixed, at least we'll go out helping real people.
@Larmichim-sj6st
2 ай бұрын
SaveTF2 quickly became a circle-jerk, that when it was trending - People were more happy about the fact that the movement was on trending, than having it to get Valve's attention and bring change. The usual content grifters were like 'OMG I love TF2' then moved on and talked about something else, not to mention that the TF tubers or whatever were using the movement just for clicks and attention. I loved the game too but TF2 community, you kind of blew this. Any movement you start next will not have the same impact that the initial one had.
@thelifeless125
2 ай бұрын
Fuck, has it really been 2 years? But no matter, I'm down, let's fucking do this! #Savetf2
@Trynt33
2 ай бұрын
* #FixTF2
@RStheToon
2 ай бұрын
#Savetf2
@user-ss6co6vj5f
2 ай бұрын
There already was a actual good idea in TF2reddit and TF2modders (not the botting one, i am talking about mods/maps and etc.-devs), simply: Do what L4D2 did recently with "Last Stand" DLC/Update - which was basically a HUGE community fix-update, and some new maps/tweaks, and etc. Do the similar thing, guys. Go to the Valve - ask about Community Update similar to L4D2, and after Valve agreeing - do that thing.
@lumilauraa
2 ай бұрын
"and we played that card too early" holy shit. LMFAO
@MIKEJONES-ob7ct
2 ай бұрын
that was so out of pocket lmaoo
@luzthebuz2452
2 ай бұрын
Main difference between TF2 and WOW is the subscription, even the classic version needs a sub fee
@LobsterDado
2 ай бұрын
Spread this video around, otherwise Valve won't do shit.
@HowToMolly
2 ай бұрын
"TF2 community we hear you."
@kyperactive
2 ай бұрын
They aint doing it anyways so... share ahead, it changes nothing.
@SIMIFU
2 ай бұрын
2 years ago...
@vinnyandlin8510
2 ай бұрын
Keep the pressure on Valve. Do not let the cycle of radio silence continue
@AngrySeal8232
2 ай бұрын
You know what? I will share it with a TF2 friend. Will not do anything, but why not? I mean, I have nothing to lose for this game.
@silly4380
2 ай бұрын
i’m not a tf2 player i’ve been trying to get into it but with the issues with it the game has been hard to get into so i’m all behind fixing the game i love watching tf2 content i love the characters too and a lot everyone deserves to have that good game once more i hope the sequel to save tf2 works good luck
@dizerelj5678
2 ай бұрын
Unbelievably based. As someone going into social work and has studied how to actually change people's minds and create movements for good of everyone, your approach to this is amazing. Positivity, more than anything, is what drives people to change. There is a lot of anger and vitriol brewing in the community, and some creators are fanning those flames, but the amount of work you put in and the responsibility you took with making this video, let alone all the things I can imagine you are planning in the background, truly makes me proud. This is the first ever video of yours that I have watched and you instantly earned my sub because of it. Keep up the good work, stay positive, and LETS SAVE THIS GAME!
@temnost2
2 ай бұрын
I genuinely hope this works out for all of you tf2 players. Ive played since 2011 and got so sick of recurring bot waves that i just quit. Sold my entire backpack, removed from library. Never going back adter having played for 13 years
@Trynt33
2 ай бұрын
Jesus chill
@bignose1752
2 ай бұрын
I dont think its likely this will amount to much, but I still think its worth trying. Just like with gamblers, 99% quit before they win it big. We will win it big brothers.
@YouLikeBosch
2 ай бұрын
I think gambling is kind of a bad analogy here. This isn't about whether or not the house wins, it's about asking the house to put security guards back at the doors because the casino is being ransacked by retirees with sniper rifles.
@abox7935
2 ай бұрын
You’re not supposed to take that meme as actual advice lol
@zonary8148
2 ай бұрын
"It might only be a 1% chance, but how many of you have unboxed Unusuals? 1% can happen." IS A SICK FUCKING LINE, LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@Roquet_
2 ай бұрын
Your main argument is WoW at the time it was getting regular DLCs and you want to apply that to a game that makes much less money, much smaller percent of it's company's money and hasn't seen a big update since 2018. 64 bit update is a huge thing it didn't just fix issues, it added many new issues and most of these haven't been fixed for a month now.
@myyoutubeaccountgotsuspend8666
2 ай бұрын
Totally agree. WoW classic represented a lot of money that Blizzard wasn't capitalizing on, so they capitalized on it. We'd essentially be competing with the steam deck. I know the tf2 community is big but I really doubt it's big enough to represent a significant revenue stream for valve.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
2 ай бұрын
@@myyoutubeaccountgotsuspend8666 In fact, the community is but a speck of dust on Steam
@Mr.Kawaii
2 ай бұрын
@@myyoutubeaccountgotsuspend8666 I thought the same thing, while it was a good card to pull out, being your main argument felt kinda wrong to me because blizzard and valve are two completely different beasts. Blizzard doesn't have the basically money printing machine that is steam, so I would say that trying the same tactic that the WOW community did would have a way less chance of succeeding, even though the problem tf2 faces is much more easy to fix.
@Snaccubus99
2 ай бұрын
Fuck it, the hell would we even lose if we tried to do it again? I'm all for it!
@HomebrewForever
2 ай бұрын
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460as if we had those to begin with!
@yazidefirenze
2 ай бұрын
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 No mercenary has all three. We can afford to lose some.
@fantastikboom1094
2 ай бұрын
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 I have none 😁
@purpleday12275
2 ай бұрын
@@yazidefirenze Said like a true Mann Co. Merc!
@yazidefirenze
2 ай бұрын
@@purpleday12275 Thank you! (dies on the spot)
@TheBlobManGuy2
2 ай бұрын
I miss jungle inferno
@jamesmeow3039
2 ай бұрын
Back when you had hope
@starmaker75
2 ай бұрын
for me, I just wanted the major heavy update 2
@irregularassassin6380
2 ай бұрын
@@starmaker75 Heavy may have gotten (arguably) the best new item in that update, but he still needs more love. As a Medic main, I would personally love a new weapon in any slot. Medic has so few options.
@starmaker75
2 ай бұрын
@@irregularassassin6380yeah as a medic main, medic needs some rework with his weapons and one or 2 new weapons to make things interesting
@NandolfBlockbuster
2 ай бұрын
@@starmaker75 I'm gonna say le big bad, but none of Medic's melee options and potentially added new ones can shine as long as the Ubersaw remains in its current state. Same goes for needle guns and the crossbow. The only spot where Medic doesn't have a "straight-up upgrade" is in his Mediguns where all of them are viable (Quick-Fix my beloved).
@RiskE80
2 ай бұрын
this put a large amount of hope into my soul that wasnt previously there before
@flydarios0805
2 ай бұрын
Being 'alive' isn't necesarily 'living' if you aren't really living out your life. Even if there is a good chance of failure, it is much better to try to 'live' then to just stay 'alive' slowly rotting away. TF2 is THAT kind of game that has the chance to 'live' again. Just as Sun Tzu said, "If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight!"
@aowest5904
2 ай бұрын
18:11 we can grab our sneako chairs and watch our game plowed.☠️
@Popceto
2 ай бұрын
a year late to this joke bro
@ssharkiggo6432
2 ай бұрын
3:29 actually a sick line
@Kidgoo
2 ай бұрын
Love your pfp, lol
@FMGT97
2 ай бұрын
Where and how many times do I sign? I really, really, really miss enjoying this game. I play it still to this day 14 years later. I really, really, REALLY wanted it fixed. Pretty please.
@Nephalem2002
2 ай бұрын
The whole server recreation concept makes me hope that happens for SWTOR down the road when it inevitably goes offline
@s4videos
2 ай бұрын
2 years already? I hardly remember what I did the first time around. I think it was a poetry video. The first savetf2 event occurred very quickly after it was announced, I didn't have the time to do anything more elaborate.
@gergoo007_
2 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie I kinda like the music ESCAPE THE MATRIX plays over vc What's it called?
@foofuufou
Ай бұрын
whats the song at 11:35
@RobiePAX
2 ай бұрын
7:11 the irony of this video coming now of all times. This "fire dragon" is going to destroy Classic WoW and what made it special for the second time in few days.
@Dimumouto
2 ай бұрын
And the people that complain about Cata can go and continue playing on the Classic Vanilla servers and stagnate till the end of time, wailing and gnashing for a 'restart' when all they really want is that 2004 experience that they can never get again.
@dogf421
2 ай бұрын
yeah, but they got another whole decade of life out of their game, and maybe they can fight for it and win again.
@Dimumouto
2 ай бұрын
@dogf421 So they can repeat the same thing over and over? Sounds like the definition of insanity to me.
@Mr.Mediackre
2 ай бұрын
@@Dimumouto"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙚𝙭𝙥𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙙𝙞𝙛𝙛𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙪𝙡𝙩𝙨" Those guys did it once, it worked, and now then seem to expect the same solution to never not work. Not to necessarily agree with such a method, all things considered, but by that definition alone, they seem pretty sane to me... Edit: made excerpt bold for emphasis.
@Dimumouto
2 ай бұрын
@Mr.Mediackre the different results is the experience they want to relive. Which is funny cause there's the Classic Era servers right there, and SoD, and Hardcore. 3 flavors of that experience. To want to continue to go back to an unchanging, eventually stagnant game and world thats meant to grow (its an MMORPG) is insane to me, especially since it hasn't even been 5 years (and as I said, the era servers are *right there*).
@spartan132
2 ай бұрын
I've been protesting TF2 since February 29th of this year. I've uninstalled the game and sold off my keys. I got sick and tired of BOTH dealing with votekicking all the bots, AND playing "Armchair Detective" to the massive amount of closet cheaters. I just don't have the mental energy to deal with it anymore. I've played TF2 since release. "Meet the Heavy" came out when I was in middle school. Words can't really describe how hyped I was for TF2. It was unbelievable how a video game could look like a Pixar movie. The first class I played was Engineer. I was totally shocked that I could build stuff on the map. I never played TFC (Team Fortress Classic), So this was a new concept to me. I had such a blast watching my sentry gun turn the enemy into chunky salsa in record time. I was around through all of TF2's updates, watched it slowly grow into the nightmare it's now become. I remember when the Pomson was added. The long stretch on Badwater Basin was nothing but Blu and Red laser beams going back and forth. It looked like an episode of GI Joe from the 80's. I remember when the Stairstab Spy meta appeared out of seemingly nowhere. I sat for hours watching Stairstab frag videos, studying them. Learning how to counter this insane craze I was witnessing. I met some amazing people through TF2. Some I still speak to. I have so many good memories involving this game. It really does make me sad seeing Valve do NOTHING to fix this game. Also, with the recent leaks from Valve. Apparently they're working on a new Hero Shooter! Wow! If only they had a game under their belt that started that trend in the first place! Oh wait..... I do hope this movement has some sort of impact. I'll be watching from a distance. I have no plans to return to TF2 unless the game is truly fixed. No more copium for me. The worst part about this mess, is that Valve actively accepts your hard earned money from ingame purchases, and has the gall to allow bad actors ruin the entire game. Valve should not be rewarded for this behavior. If you're gonna boycott, please don't buy keys or anything else. Don't buy anything. Do not reward Valve for letting them neglect this game.
@SketchG
2 ай бұрын
Oh an oldschooler! I unfortunately stated playing only after Jungle Inferno in 2018. But it's great to still see people who played the game back when it originally released but what unites us all is the love for TF2. Well as the video said, boycotting Valve is not a good idea because TF2 is not a high priority to it, so for now what can help the game most is getting oldschoolers like you on board with SaveTF2. The more people the better and it gives the movement more legitymacy with people who loved the game from the very beginning! So good day to you sir, let's both hope that TF2 gets trully fixed!
@kyperactive
2 ай бұрын
It wont, but keep dreaming 👍
@bobcrafttheking2014
2 ай бұрын
Well atleast your doing something, that speaks volumes than the walls of text from doomposters or others
@superswogg
2 ай бұрын
if valve stops making money from the game they'll kill the official servers
@pokemonduck
2 ай бұрын
@@kyperactive nothing better to do than being negative in the comments of a video on a game you don't like?
@Useott
2 ай бұрын
I'm a new player, I have no idea what is going on, but I'm enjoying TF2 so I'll try to do something about this
@highlordlaughterofcanada8685
Ай бұрын
Basically a massive aimbot problem that makes nearly every official server unplayable
@Coryn02
2 ай бұрын
Is there something I can personally do, despite not being super active on social media? I don't play much TF2 but still have fond memories, and I don't play primarily due to the bot crisis restricting me to community servers.
@theyoshiadventures5841
2 ай бұрын
Honestly in my opinion this video is such a breath of fresh air, most TF2 videos regarding the game’s state either seem way too optimistic or way too pessimistic but this I think balances the both out fairly well. Sure the original SaveTF2 wasn’t as big as a success as the community wished it to be, hell it’s debatable if it was even a success at all, but just because we didn’t get the desired outcome the first time doesn’t mean we should just sit on our behinds and watch the game suffer. Criticism is great and I’m glad that some KZitemrs are speaking their true feelings on the matter, but actual action is something we need instead of just wallowing in despair. The same goes for positivity, but at the same time some people need to be realistic about the situation and realize that what we’re getting isn’t sustainable as well as the fact we have to do something about it.
@manunova5929
2 ай бұрын
It feels like white knights and doomposters both don't want to do anything about the game's state. Perhaps they don't even play the game or in the worst case are bot hosters and cheaters.
@magmarxiogaming6717
2 ай бұрын
the petition route is a must if we do another save tf2 and add that with better planning and more clear intentions and it could work.
@fnacman124
2 ай бұрын
Im all for it! There was definitely something more we could do back then, so trying again this year wouldn’t be a bad idea
@iandig
2 ай бұрын
"We can grab our Sneako chairs and watch the game get plowed, or we can do our best to intervene." holy shit
@LiterallyInternet
2 ай бұрын
25 more letters. 25 more tries. Some call it insanity. We call it determination and perseverance.
@SilvorAltAccount
2 ай бұрын
The spineless will quit at 1
@kyperactive
2 ай бұрын
Actually, its delusion, but call it what you want.
@LiterallyInternet
2 ай бұрын
@@kyperactive isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result? Sure that might fall under delusion but that doesn’t make it not insanity.
@ricefarmer-kr4yv
2 ай бұрын
You fool, we still have greece alphabet
@LiterallyInternet
2 ай бұрын
@@ricefarmer-kr4yv we need all the alphabets up in here
@summers232
2 ай бұрын
Came for a TF2 video, stayed for a WoW history lesson
@Iorworth_Falcon
Ай бұрын
3:57 could someone please explain to me what happened here? is it rick may?
@TheWeird05
2 ай бұрын
this time i get to participate, last time i didn't even know that much about it (let alone played the game) but now i can and will fight for this beautiful game
@parkeddoor
2 ай бұрын
I've been here for almost a year, being a f2p, and I don't think i've heard a more genuine plan to keep pushing. This community is one of the most dedicated and (mostly) mature people i've ever met. This game feels like a family member I come to every once in a while to have fun with, if I want it to die, I want it in blazing glory. Thank you for this. Also the WoW struggle comparison was absolutely beautiful. I played it for a while during 2017/18 and honestly this makes me want to boot up my old account again. UNITED WE STAND, SAVETF2!
@Dr_Dan_
2 ай бұрын
i really feel like the issue stems deeper into steam (the ease of access and account creation and bypassing bans) rather than the games themselves (cs, tf2, whatever) and the movent should kinda include this part
@Dr_Dan_
2 ай бұрын
like really you should not be able to play any games untill you pay for the account (before commenting search up "steam 5 dollar policy")
@soupcan
2 ай бұрын
@@Dr_Dan_ would be quite a kick in the balls for f2ps tho...
@Dr_Dan_
2 ай бұрын
@@soupcan you still will be able to be a free to play in tf2 if thats what you mean. but if youre a man good of heart, you can pay those 5 dollars to get acces to everything (you do that anyway because its a policy) . its just hilarious that you can just go to a site, type some info and gey a 1000 accs fresh out of the oven.
@Artician
2 ай бұрын
@@Dr_Dan_ That would be like being a store owner and shooting a nuclear warhead at your customers because you suspect one of them might steal something, it would fundamentally destroy the dominance that Valve wants Steam to have
@Dr_Dan_
2 ай бұрын
@@Artician no its like having a security guard in front of your store so dickheads would get some sense before they try to do anything stupid
@wolffang489
2 ай бұрын
Jagex did the same thing with Old School Runescape but without much of any petitioning. I remember for a bit they even had a Runescape Classic server for members. OSRS has it's own team and dev cycles in parallel to RS3 and everyone seems happy with it.
@me-qx9fi
2 ай бұрын
15:44 That broght me back to a time that i will never forget. It was the when i found my first and only unusual hat from opening just two crates in a row. Aye, the memories. :) #SAVETF2
@antoniocialfi77
2 ай бұрын
The effort we put in got us a tweet from Valve, the first time the #savetf2 hashtag went viral. Enough people spread the hashtag that big streamers like moistcritical and the wonderful VA's for the game showed solidarity, and put some attention on it. The second half-assed savetf2 wave had nowhere near the level support the first one got (because of lack of effort). Therefore, by that logic: more effort = more results. If people went out of their way to show up to a physical location to make some noise about the issue, then Valve would have to put some acknowledgement towards the issue at hand. It would look bad on them if they ignored actual people showing up to the place. Even if only 50 people showed up, imagine the news that would come from it, not to mention people on social media showing support. It doesn't even have to be a week long protest. Ideally, people show up for a day, and make some noise, (and be well behaved enough that they don't resort to rioting/violence) then leave. It's a statement: "We showed up because we could, but there are more of us out there that care just as much. Please do something about the game that so many of us hold dear. We are here, and we are waiting for you to do something about it. We want answers." We tell them what we want, and put the ball in their court. Then we should get a definitive response. It might be: "We have no further plans for tf2 and we have decided that it's finally time to release the source code for the game so the community can take care of the game in its end-of-life." Or "We would like to be transparent and let you know that we are currently working on other projects for the next (insert lenght of time here). We are indebted to our investors and shareholders, and we need to address them first. We currently do not have the resouces to divert to development of the TF2. Once these projects are finished, we will resume development for bug fixes, exploit fixes, and add more content to the game. We appreciate your passion, loyalty and admiration for the game, but most of all, your patience. We look forward to being able to work on the game once our affairs are in order." Or "Hello TF2 community, it has been a long time since we gave the game any content or fixes. We are working on other projects that take first priority. However, we recognise that the game currently has lots of issues, and the problem has gotten out of hand. As TF2 has been a long standing source of supplemental income to the company via the players purchasing cosmetics and tour of duty tickets, we feel indebted to the playerbase for keeping us afloat. In an effort to curb the onsalught of bots, we are going to temporarily outsource the manpower needed to maintain the playability of the game. We are outsourcing the work to (XYZ company) and you should expect an update (insert time here). We intend to return to the IP at a later date, and provide a proper content update at a that time. Thank you for your continued support and patience." Or it could be any variation of those examples. the worst thing that we are dealing with is this vague, wishy-washy, bullshit saying "we hear you.", but not doing anything about it. Then silence We can force their hand if we at least try to make our voices heard. This game means a lot to me (as evidenced by all this shit that I wrote) and so many others. I cared enough to write this, and I know that there are plenty of others that would show the same support. The only thing stopping us from doing this the lack of organization on our part to actually execute this. Is it easy to be pessimistic towards this situation? Yes. Is this naïve thinking? Maybe, but, you lose 100% of all the Payload games that you don't rally your team together in the last minute for one final push where you mindlessly throw your body on the cart. Countless games have been won this way. We should take a page out of the merc's book.
@NoName......
2 ай бұрын
Showing up to valve hq would make us look bad and make valve less likely to actually listen to us. They would more likely shut the game down. We need to covey ourselves in a way that makes people want to join our movement. Harrasing valve employees who don't have anything to do with this will not help.
@CyclicEngine
2 ай бұрын
Very well written!
@KyleDavis328
2 ай бұрын
Valve isn't a publicly traded company, btw. The private investors, while unknown for certain, are more than likely just the top brass of the company, like GabeN himself, and maybe a few other private shareholders.
@antoniocialfi77
2 ай бұрын
@@KyleDavis328 I know they are not public. I was referring to their private investors.
@karlisulmanis3810
2 ай бұрын
Wait, isn't Valve a private company? Pretty sure they don't have any public shareholders to appeal to..
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