It's seems HP "gets it". They seem to have really understood what was wrong with the Reverb, and have made all the right design choices and upgrades on this hmd. While HTC is making bewildering design choices and seems lost in their product portfolio, HP seems to have their finger on the pulse of good hmd design and understands that a good hmd is about the details. If HP continues down this path I think they will be the next major player next to Oculus and Valve.
@lewisveasey1674
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my cosmos elite is a pretty good headset but, seriously why couldn't they include base station 2.0s and some actually good controllers.
@Lord_of_Dread
4 жыл бұрын
@@lewisveasey1674 Probably because they don't own or have any stake in 2.0 or the knuckles controllers. I think those are the least of the issues though. While the elite is really the only reasonable HMD HTC have released since the vive pro, it still has some seriously dodgy things like a tiny sweet spot compared to the competition and even the original vive, light leakage from the flip up design (which was a nice idea in concept admittedly) and worst of all... the pricing is ridiculous. It needed to be far cheaper with all of its issues to be a viable altenative to the index HMD, which is the obvious choice if you can save just a little bit extra.
@Lord_of_Dread
4 жыл бұрын
Between the lack of lighthouse tracking and the tracking cones on the controllers that will interfere with gameplay, I think they're still not really competitive for gaming. If they fixed both of those, they'd be a dangerous competitor, but as it stands not so much.
@xalex7923
4 жыл бұрын
@@lewisveasey1674 why you just bought a index for a bit more? bc your choice is actually the most expensive one really...
@sheeftz
4 жыл бұрын
No they didn't get it. The main issue with Reverb G1 was FOV. And it stayed untouched. It's dead on arrival. I mean it will take a niche, like Reverb G1 did, but it's not next gen. It can't even compete with 1 year old Valve Index.
@tonygmichael6434
4 жыл бұрын
I love how this channel tells me exactly what I want to know being new to Vr and such,thanks man!
@tooreosonecup4995
4 жыл бұрын
TonyGMichael yeah, he’s super dope ^.^
@terrydoescontent2905
4 жыл бұрын
hi twin
@Nobbie248
4 жыл бұрын
If you haven't got a heafset yet i strongly recommend the quest
@PaulWitzelNarratives
4 жыл бұрын
@@Nobbie248 I love *heafsets*
@Nobbie248
4 жыл бұрын
@@PaulWitzelNarratives i love u
@fakedeltatime
4 жыл бұрын
"as we know with the Cosmos, the six tracking cameras were useless", savage Mike.
@TheDarkElk
4 жыл бұрын
I really do hope that this gets wmr farther and more attention from this, ive used my original lenovo explorer for nearly 700 hours and im glad I got one.
@Larry
4 жыл бұрын
It's a shame about the controllers, I was hoping for somethign closer to the index's.
@bunnypeople
4 жыл бұрын
Apparently you CAN get them to work with the headset, but not natively
@David-ty6my
4 жыл бұрын
@@bunnypeople but thats expensive, you need not only the controllers, but also lighthouses. In Germany you cant even get a Lighthouse, all sold out, they are 170€
@jasonmclean7544
4 жыл бұрын
@@bunnypeople what would you have to do to get them to work with the valve index cotrolers?
@jonast96
4 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmclean7544 mrtv has a video about it, but in general you will need to buy some additional adapters. They are usb connected to your pc so that the vive controllers can communicate with your PC
@Nuke21
4 жыл бұрын
If this would be your first VR, is it 600 just for the headset and I still need to buy controllers and the track boxes?
@corem6872
4 жыл бұрын
As more headsets are coming out, I’m getting more and more confused on which to buy
@swagmaster6922
4 жыл бұрын
Just not this one. WMR is disgusting and the controllers use visible light for tracking, which means that even sunlight fucks it up.
@toesnub9676
4 жыл бұрын
@@swagmaster6922 what? how in the world is it disgusting? wmr works fine, it's a fantastic budget option
@literaltoast7213
4 жыл бұрын
@@swagmaster6922 WMR can be found for like 200 usd though
@Ace-nh4vl
4 жыл бұрын
If you have a high budget go for the index If your budget is low the quest is good because your able to use it as an all in one headset and pc vr headset If you only want to use pc vr and have a low budget go for the rift s
@-renoboarder-4820
4 жыл бұрын
Ace *rift s
@sleev1091
4 жыл бұрын
I have a Rift CV1 and have been waiting for a competent upgrade ever since. This has me very tempted. Definitely going to wait for the reviews though.
@silotx
4 жыл бұрын
i would wait for the reviews too but , with the limited vr availability and the huge demand increase it will propable be sold out when the reviews will be out.
@anthony631
4 жыл бұрын
@@silotx Exactly the demand is so high right now. I think it will stay high going into winter as well. 2020 seems to be a big year for VR and I'm excited!
@siimoraba2043
4 жыл бұрын
Same here. This is the first new VR headset that makes me consider upgrading from CV1.
@vincentbrocker8829
4 жыл бұрын
i hope they improve the mixed reality home software
@Bunster
4 жыл бұрын
Is there no way to make wmr headsets to boot into valve vr?
@TinyTroglodyte
4 жыл бұрын
@@Bunster it boots in mixed reality home I think, but you can still easily go into Steam VR home, it's just that mixed reality home is kinda bad, like bad enough that I could 3d model the entire house in about 20 minutes as it's super simple looking with a few trees and that's it.
@Bunster
4 жыл бұрын
@@TinyTroglodyte oof, well hopefully the partnership with Valve will make it possible to boot into Steam VR, or possibly make a better WMR home
@DeviantDeveloper
4 жыл бұрын
“Fall”? COME ON.
@NotGoodAtYoutube
4 жыл бұрын
I really can't wait that long
@mBUSHattack
4 жыл бұрын
I know. I'm struggling so hard between choosing this or an index... both will take forever to come...
@Nick_H775
4 жыл бұрын
Michael Bush index
@ThePandaKingFTW
4 жыл бұрын
@@Nick_H775 But almost half the price for a little less fov? Id only go index if budget isnt an issue
@logiccc
4 жыл бұрын
@@ThePandaKingFTW They also have better controllers and better tracking with the base stations
@MarSprite
4 жыл бұрын
I love that you break your video up into named segments, even though I just watch the whole thing. Keep up the good work! =)
@Recon777x
4 жыл бұрын
Turns out MS Flight Sim is releasing with VR that is ONLY featuring this specific headset. Which is why I came looking for info on it here. Other headsets will be brought in at a later date.
@plummetplum
4 жыл бұрын
Booooo
@hallukaksi
4 жыл бұрын
I was hyped for the Quest 2. Was.
@aidenlorello2838
4 жыл бұрын
Nope, I still am. This is a PCVR headset, the Quest sits at its own spot with Hybrid PCVR and Standalone.
@evilhenchman3366
4 жыл бұрын
@@aidenlorello2838 I agree I honestly think the future of vr is wireless. mark my words quest 2 will be totally wireless and have better hardware.
@originsdecoded3508
4 жыл бұрын
@@evilhenchman3366 5g intergration into the wireless VR will be the only way to achieve 4k 60fps+ while wireless. even up to 8k resolution per eye. But they will have to mitigate EMF radiation from the 5G frequencies being pumped next to your skull.
@hallukaksi
4 жыл бұрын
@@originsdecoded3508 EMF radiation? 5G is non ionizing. Haha there's more EMF radiation in visible light than in 5G. EDIT: typo
@openroomxyz
4 жыл бұрын
Yea i am confused if i should get Quest, Rift S, ... idk
@aelux4179
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like an amazing headset for those wanting an introduction to high-end VR, definitely an upgrade other the quest, just not an Index killer. Without higher precision, lighthouse tracking and improved controllers it wont be viable for the more competitive VR games, but given that it beats all the other options, looks like it's going to be a neat little headset with a solid place in the market.
@lewisveasey1674
4 жыл бұрын
I got my old Samsung Odyssey plus to work with light house tracking wasn't too difficult to get going. I'd say it had better head tracking than my Vive. The smaller fov is really the only compromise I see with this headset as of yet.
@pixhammer
4 жыл бұрын
Inside out is more than good enough, i had WMR, and still have friends on WMR that absolutely kick ass on Beat Saber Expert+ the only issue was tracking volume, so now with 4 cameras it's more than good enough. I think the real downgrade from an index is just the non-finger tracking controllers. - I do agree though, this isn't an index replacement, it's a Rift S killer
@Lord_of_Dread
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. If you're going to spend this much on VR for gaming, it seems silly to buy anything other than the index.
@aidangillett5396
4 жыл бұрын
Disagree, as long as they get the inside-out tracking to be on-par with the Rift S performance (that was wonky on launch but got very, very good) and not something utterly dogshite like the Vive Cosmos My favourite controllers are still the Rift CV1's, they are more ergonomic and comfortable than the index controllers, better balanced, nicer feel. They tend to work better as 'game controllers' and not 'pseudo-reality' inputs. At this point in the time the individual finger tracking, variable pressure sensors etc are technically superior but the reality is practically nothing supports it. You can buy straps for the CV1 or RiftS controllers so you can open and close your entire hand if you so wish, but the far lighter/smaller controllers just tend to work better as a daily driver For me the biggest feature of the Index is actually the FoV, I find that is far more noticeable and immersive than the refresh rate or the controllers. If I could i'd get just the headset but stick with the CV1 controllers, unfortunately not possible to do So this Reverb G2 seems to get much closer to my ideals given the controllers seem quite a bit similar, although the battery life of 4-8 hours as opposed to ~35 hours is a bit shit
@Exccentrik
3 жыл бұрын
I know this comment was made 4 months ago so we have more information now but from what I see the G2 is now the best on the market apart from tracking tech and controllers but you can use the index knuckles with them so I plan on just getting those at a later date, dont mind the lower refresh rate for the much higher clarity
@eisley_lastname
4 жыл бұрын
As a hardcore Bigscreen user, I'm super excited for my preorder to come in! Virtual movie theaters are becoming more and more of a reality every year!
@Nekminute
4 жыл бұрын
LCD, 90Hz and only 114 FOV wow that is like last gen... im dissing it since i owned the valve index and i want to see VR move beyond those specs. 144 hz and a greater fov than 130....
@frankknarf1989
4 жыл бұрын
Really amazed by how the screen door effect could be eliminated. Price tag is set properly. Really look forward to playing some of the epic PC titles on it.
@AshtonCoolman
4 жыл бұрын
Oculus needs to get a Quest 2/S out with higher resolution and refresh rate. I like the Oculus eco system a lot so let's get a headset to match.
@tehgusbus2716
4 жыл бұрын
I'd insta buy quest with same resolution
@emperorfaiz
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget better graphic quality.
@RoyHoy
4 жыл бұрын
Likely Spring 2021!
@Enixious99
4 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who often lets me use his Rift S, and man the FOV, tracking reliability, and 80Hz refresh rate are a constant struggles for us... but the software and home are really nice and there are a lot of fun exclusives
@Pyrodagoat
4 жыл бұрын
@@emperorfaiz without the need of a pc
@jhaybiebasco8529
4 жыл бұрын
I’m much more tempted to get this over the Index than I originally assumed going into this video!
@RoyHoy
4 жыл бұрын
@Alonso Reyes But you'll need an expensive PC!
@ELGG1894
4 жыл бұрын
@Alonso Reyes and $1000 laying around on top of the $2000 pc you just bought
@atticusnari
4 жыл бұрын
I'll probably end up selling my Rift-S for this thing. I'm hating the Oculus + Facebook integration and am glad for some good competition :)
@mynews
4 жыл бұрын
Yes that integration sucks. It should be a plus but its not.
@roflBeck
4 жыл бұрын
Tbh I just use my Rift S as a SteamVR headset. Don't much care for Oculus store. I like the actual hardware though.
@harmleyten4
4 жыл бұрын
@@roflBeck true same for me, but i would like some resolution bump i might sell my rift s for the hp reverb g2. Now i can still get a good price while there sold out.
@DryLandCaptain
3 жыл бұрын
I bought my 2nd rift s the other day only to find they are discontinuing them next near. I’m returning it and have just ordered one of these.
@dennisrichards2540
4 жыл бұрын
If you've not bought into VR yet then fair enough the Reverb G2 is a good start (along with the index) but like many I've already got a Gen 1 Vive and is still an incredible piece of hardware that isn't remotly struggling to keep up with the available software . . . in fact I would say software IS the problem for VR now. The only way I'll spend another penny on VR hardware now is if a reputable company meaningfully increases the FOV over 170 or even better similar to a PiMax or StarVR . . . other than that these Hardware improvements are the equivalent of a face lift to last years SUV to me, it just doesn't offer any futher value
@Brad.2874
4 жыл бұрын
Only problems I've got with the Vive is the displays, lenses, weight and controllers. Basically everything I want to be good. All the time now we're getting way better hardware for VR at around the same price. I'll wait to see what people say about this headset, but I might end up selling my Rift S to get this, depending on the other hardware available at it's launch. With VR, it is always worth upgrading and getting more immersion. The more immersion you have, the more fun you will have, and the more you will use the headset. Unlike other mediums, the Vive is only going to go down in cost as other better and cheaper headsets arrive on the market. I'd say keeping up with modern hardware is not only better on you, but on your wallet as well, as it allows you to sell your current headset and pick up something 10x better for a few hundred bucks more.
@dennisrichards2540
4 жыл бұрын
@@Brad.2874 I can agree mostly with what you're saying as all these parameters can obviously be improved (and I'd expect them to have by the time I buy my next headset) but FOV is the best upgrade for better immersion for VR right now. I don't agree however that its always worth upgrading for better immersion as I stated the Vive is still a great bit of kit already, so unless you're primarily playing things that aren't designed for VR (like simulators) then an upgrade likely isn't going to be worth it unless there is a great improvement. To put it into perspective Half-Life Alyx is pretty much the cream of the crop for VR games today, My 4 year old first Gen Vive allowed me to enjoy the game perfectly, if anything I think my GTX970 needs upgreading more than my headset does.
@JPWestmas
4 жыл бұрын
Convince me that the controller tracking is good, I would definitely get this one.
@alacan
4 жыл бұрын
It is, I have a WMR and it's a really good value
@TheInfinitySystem
4 жыл бұрын
The tracking is fine. You just have to know how to work with it. Well lit room, avoid mirrors, windows and bright screens. The main troubles with tracking were the 1st generation, which used/required a separate BT dongle. Gen 2 moved to built in BT between the HMD and controllers and things improved MASSIVELY. People also forget that WMR controllers have build in motion sensors in ADDITION to the inside out. The whole "it looses tracking behind my head/shoulder/ect" is BS. I've never found a game that I haven't been able to play. The last 'problem' is just getting decent batteries. Yeah, the controllers will eat AA's... REGULAR AA's won't cut it. Invest in a set of NiZn 1.6v rechargables. They last for DAYS. WMR gets a bad rap because all the Vive Fan Bois are pissed they popped $1k or more for 'brand name' recognition. Hell, the Samsung Odyssey+ still has the best screen on the market, least SDE and deepest blacks due to the OLEDs. You can pick it up for $300 regularly, and it includes far better controllers than the standard WMR. I went WMR with Gen1 (Odyssey original) and just bought the Odyssey+ this year and gave my old O to my son. The only thing that will shift me at this point is a wider FOV.
@supremebaconoverlord
4 жыл бұрын
if it's like the previous mixed reality controllers then tracking is fine but battery life sucks
@StubbyPhillips
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheInfinitySystem I'm only buying OLED HMDs from now on. Once you go black...
@finn5888
4 жыл бұрын
Mike I just wanted to let you know you are the reason I got into VR and the reason I now have a oculus quest
@gavial1448
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ethangoldwyre
4 жыл бұрын
“You’re gonna need a 2080” *sad 1050 ti noises*
@BubsCC
4 жыл бұрын
Ethan Goldwyre you could still use a 1050ti. Steam can drop the resolution of games.
@air_
4 жыл бұрын
@@BubsCC bruh then what's the point of such a high resolution headset?
@Shpongled1738
4 жыл бұрын
@@air_ lets say you have a 2060 like me, you will still get higher res than other vr titles, but not the maximum res
@BubsCC
4 жыл бұрын
@Air_ you may not have the money yet to get a 1080 or 2000 series. WMR does very well on a 1050ti. (I know because I ran one for a year). If you buy this new headset, a few months of 75% resolution on bigger games would be worth it. Atleast until you save enough for a better card.
@terrydoescontent2905
4 жыл бұрын
1660?
@reddblurr
4 жыл бұрын
These specs are insane... HP still hitting hard with their headsets. I respect it! Can’t wait until we get to the point where we have no lens blur, god rays, or screen door effect with a hefty FOV and HP is definitely pushing the line!
@awesome9174
4 жыл бұрын
Screen door effect isn't really a thing on Index or Reverb already. We just need higher resolution now for detailed distant sightseeing.
@petervansan1054
4 жыл бұрын
@@awesome9174 I dont even notice screen door on quest, unless I specifically look for it
@slothsarecool
4 жыл бұрын
seems a bit crazy, if they had foveated rendering you wouldn’t need a 2080, might hold off until something with a wider fov comes along anyway but otherwise it looks compelling
@Dreamwriter4242
4 жыл бұрын
You got that right now if you want, Pimax headsets have up to 170 degree FOV (200 diagonally). And the upcoming Pimax 8K-X has a higher resolution than this one, at a true 4k per eye. SUBSTANTIALLY pricier though.
@toadyep2441
4 жыл бұрын
When you're actually in vr, fov difference isn't very noticable. Also, you don't need a 2080, that's just for optimum performance. You could say the exact same thing about a really simple game.
@Dreamwriter4242
4 жыл бұрын
@@toadyep2441 Totally disagree, double the FOV is extremely noticable, THE virtual world really surrounds you. After using a high-fov headset like Pimax, anything else feels like looking through binoculars
@thespecialist5023
4 жыл бұрын
@@Dreamwriter4242 Nah Pimax has tons of distortion, bleak colors, crappy software and horrible support
@AbdallahTeach
4 жыл бұрын
@@thespecialist5023 I don't think the dude disagrees with you
@brachisaurous
4 жыл бұрын
I like it how this chap reviewed a product without actually using it. Also added some final thoughts. Nice!
@dinkleberg3863
4 жыл бұрын
I remember trying out mixed reality back in university, it was a bit weird but damn I really liked it. Hope this gives the platform a bit more visibility in the public eye
@awesome9174
4 жыл бұрын
Why was it weird?
@dinkleberg3863
4 жыл бұрын
@@awesome9174 Just the way i was seeing my surroundings as well as the images from the headset. I was much more used to traditional VR. But either way very cool system and very cool experience.
@awesome9174
4 жыл бұрын
@@dinkleberg3863 I'm confused. What's traditional VR? Do you mean your previous experience with VR was just mobile VR or PSVR or something?
@pixhammer
4 жыл бұрын
@@dinkleberg3863 oh sounds like you used the Hololens, Windows Mixed Reality is just what they call their VR stuff for marketting reasons, it's totally nothing like what you tried :)
@dinkleberg3863
4 жыл бұрын
@@pixhammer oh oops, my bad haha, thank you for the clarification:)
@SustainaBIT
4 жыл бұрын
Mike, I watch your videos silently since long time ago, but I gotta SAY IT HERE AT LEAST once ::: YOU ARE AWESOME!!!
@VirtualRealityOasis
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! I appreciate the comment []-)
@Subhagusbainne
4 жыл бұрын
It’s always a good day when vro uploads
@jamiealner8904
4 жыл бұрын
True true
@martinbaker2322
4 жыл бұрын
I've pre-ordered, pretty much based on forum recommendations. The game I'm really looking forward to trying it with is Flying Circus, a game with WW1 combat planes. This will be my first VR experience other than maybe 15 minutes, a few years back, with the set of a guy I knew. I'm hoping release won't happen too late in the fall.
@jahblo666
4 жыл бұрын
I believe you will be impressed.. never heard of this game thou :D
@martinbaker2322
4 жыл бұрын
@@jahblo666 If you're a bit of a history buff and are drawn to WW1 fighter planes, give it a look! The people who did Flying Circus also have a four-or-so WW1 fighter simulator called "Rise of Flight" and that one is completely free. It's falling behind with stuff like VR but it's still very good.
@jahblo666
4 жыл бұрын
@@martinbaker2322 yes, will do..it looks pretty interesting, thanks for the tip
@Vortex31415
4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Definitely purchasing when available.
@caydenc2591
4 жыл бұрын
Daniel Karinen when are they available cause I’m planning on getting a quest
@arz700
4 жыл бұрын
Legend Fall
@midnightwalker4642
4 жыл бұрын
I have used a CV1 since it came out. Loved it, but the honeymoon was over a while ago. Now, 4 years later, I need the next big thing in VR to reel me back in. Technology has not improving as fast as I hoped. But I can't keep using the CV1. So it's either the Reverb G2 with (supposedly) screen door effect eliminated, or it's the Valve Index with modest improvements to SDE, FOV and refresh rate. I will get whichever one works well with iRacing.
@justwhytho9516
4 жыл бұрын
Man I’m still just going to get an index
@LaLogic2
4 жыл бұрын
o k
@KaiFulci
4 жыл бұрын
O
@KaiFulci
4 жыл бұрын
k
@tacocat9916
4 жыл бұрын
same
@foxyman4136
4 жыл бұрын
I would get the index but I prefer no wires over something that reads a palm as a finger
@vincentkeith5259
4 жыл бұрын
This sounds like it'll be nearly perfect for Sim Racing. Don't have to worry about controllers, high res enough, lightweight, and your ears won't turn into yet another pressure-point sweatbox. Not getting 120Hz is a disappointment. A wider FOV would have been nice but 110 seems to be fairly standard and I haven't heard many complaints (then I've only been seriously looking at VR for a few months). Figuring out some way to get this to work with Lighthouse tracking for controllers would be the ultimate upgrade. If you can use all the various Sim controllers - wheels, pedals, shifters, joysticks, throttles, button boxes, etc. - there ought to be a way to get Lighthouse controllers & sensors to work standalone. What is it about Index controllers and Lighthouse sensors that prevent them from being used without the headset? Just product differentiation? I suppose it could kill the market for the Index.
@joshuacook2
4 жыл бұрын
Okay, definitely seems like the long awaited, strict upgrade over the rift I have been waiting for, but I'll wait to see reviews. I'm a little disappointed that it didn't go for a wide fov like 125 degrees, or a higher frame rate. But it is for sure looking like the headset to recommend. I might wait another year though, especially considering I only have a 1080. But if my rift dies, it looks like I have a replacement.
@kevykevTPA
3 жыл бұрын
I've pre-ordered one, and am hoping for delivery in early December, though I wouldn't complain if it came sooner. My primary motivation/use case is FS2020, which is my new obsession, but I'm quite sure others will follow as well. Cheers to December!
@equious8413
2 жыл бұрын
WELL!? HOW DID IT GO? I'm in the exact same boat. I've just received this headset and I'm waiting in a graphics card. Primarily gunna use this for flight sim.
@kevykevTPA
2 жыл бұрын
@@equious8413 When it works it's amazing. But I've got just enough issues (blackouts, 7-14 error, flickering, a few more) that I'm going to try to get it warranty replaced. But aside from those issues (which are not game stoppers) I love it!
@equious8413
2 жыл бұрын
@@kevykevTPA appreciate the insight! Still waiting on a GPU in the mail, headset next to me, anticipation building. Haha
@TomBombFR
4 жыл бұрын
I 've been using the Quest + Link to play. It's pretty good, but I really wanted a proper PC VR headset, but all of the ones available right now came with downsides. This seems to tick all of the boxes!
@gavial1448
4 жыл бұрын
It sure does.
@Barchueetadonai
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Quest with Virtual Desktop is the best.
@AristotleBabyBottle
4 жыл бұрын
Barchueetadonai it’s bad for recording because it is shakey
@gamingfreako7480
4 жыл бұрын
Almost. Inside out tracking would be nice since I really wanted to get into full-body tracking. Oh well. I'm not dropping $1000 for an index and then even more money to get the full body.
@woopdedo7939
3 жыл бұрын
Good news, the Index controllers and lighthouses CAN be used with this headset. MRTV has several videos on how to do it and how well it works!
@yusufmatini6414
4 жыл бұрын
my IPD is 72mm and from what I hear it's not really a pleasant experience when your headset cant fit your IPD, not sure if there's a bigger amount of people with high IPDs but since they put a manual adjustment option might aswell consider supporting a wider range.
@neongensis1
4 жыл бұрын
My IPD is 70 I believe so the Quest just reaches it but incorrect IPD absolutely kills the experience. Kinda bummed to hear I can't get the G2 due to the IPD limitation. I agree you'd think if companies were going to go the physical IPD route they'd have a wider range to be safe.
@didiodulaw7417
4 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to share my experience with IPD on the Index: I tried adjusting it to the correct value and YES, I found it by just using the slider BUT: incorrect values did not produce an unpleasant experience. Visual quality suffered a little, yes, but not by a lot. I was genuinely surprised, because I thought it would cause more visual distortion or sth. like that.
@theblowupdollsmusic
4 жыл бұрын
This one is really ticking all the right boxes for me. Right price point. High-resolution displays, No Sceendoor effect, works with steam VR. Nice Job dev team.
@beckettbrown7070
4 жыл бұрын
i was gonna get a rift s but i think this might be my next headset
@eptik2k
4 жыл бұрын
this headset brings nothing new to the table just buy the oculus quest and use a oculus link cable to pc or buy the valve index also you could wait for oculus quest 2 tba soon
@diskdrive6113
4 жыл бұрын
Or the Samsung odyssey plus
@originaltrilogy1
4 жыл бұрын
@@eptik2k Unless you want the much, much higher resolution and lack of SDE on the HP.
@hunterm.moreno4201
2 жыл бұрын
I think the slightly lower FOV is completely worth it considering it's almost $700 less than the competition. I think it's overall amazing and is really pushing VR headset price drops. Yes, sometimes the tracking will glitch when directly above your head, but how often do games require that? All equal trade-offs, in my opinion, for these high-quality screens.
@caffeinecreature
4 жыл бұрын
Well, with Oculus no longer being an option this might just be the headset to go for.
@ELGG1894
4 жыл бұрын
Oculus is an option, actually.
@TheGunterGlieben
3 жыл бұрын
Lucky for us, Facebook (and oculus), are optional now.
@aledrinker666
4 жыл бұрын
PKCell 1.6V NiZn rechargeable AAs are the batteries I have found work best across WMR and Oculus controllers. They have a tendency to go from low battery warning almost immediately to empty, but the runtimes of about 8 hours per charge is worth it.
@r1pperduck
4 жыл бұрын
"In collaboration with valve" ...no index controllers... I was looking forward to more than the awesome speakers, feelsbadman
@wolvzie172
4 жыл бұрын
VRShenanigans nope it said in the video it has to have base station support for it so it’s only able to really connect to vive headsets since they use base stations
@wolvzie172
4 жыл бұрын
they should just allow the support cos the controllers are way too expensive to put with a mod range headset
@frankmario6747
4 жыл бұрын
Does the new controller touch sensitive like on the rift ? I can see the copied a LOT on the rift controllers (same exact grip & grip button) but it's not a bad thing since a LOT of poeple praise Rift controllers including me.
@r1pperduck
4 жыл бұрын
@@firewulf1 i mean the kit would be sure, but the index is also only 5 or 6 hundred without the base stations and controllers.
@brickman409
4 жыл бұрын
@@wolvzie172 you can buy base stations separately and get the index controllers to work with headsets that don't natively support lighthouse tracking. I believe it's been done with other headsets before, but it's really expensive and clunky, at that point you might as well just buy an Index.
@ksiyaskid
4 жыл бұрын
After 4 years I'm officially at the reccomend level for gaming, lol. Now I have an excuse to blow 1300 on a 3080ti.
@aoliravioli
4 жыл бұрын
ok 😐 didn’t really care
@memesnob8883
4 жыл бұрын
@@aoliravioli shutit
@Kin-bd2vd
4 жыл бұрын
Y a y
@Navhkrin
4 жыл бұрын
You mean 3090
@VlastimirStankovic
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, this being a consumer headset, there is really no need to be disappointed for the G2 not supporting Lighthouse tracking. One reason for me selling off my Vive was that the lighthouses are a PITA - just like Oculus' camera based system. If you want to have a convenient gaming experience, nothing beats a portable inside-out (SLAM) tracking system. The deficiencies of SLAM (occlusion etc.) is something that game designers should be taking care of.
@ElgarL
4 жыл бұрын
Yay for removable batteries. Built in batteries make the controller a consumable/disposable item and Its the main reason I didn't bite the bullet and buy an Index.
@andrewwexler4779
4 жыл бұрын
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@ElgarL
4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewwexler4779 When the Index controller sits for a while and the battery dies its not a replaceable item. You leave it for a few months of no use, come back and it no longer takes a charge, the whole controller is now junk. Replaceable batteries means you get the full use from your controller as long as it physically lasts.
@-renoboarder-4820
4 жыл бұрын
ElgarL yah but just like most things with an internal battery, you can usually get the same battery online and replace it yourself. I have no experience soldering but after a couple videos, a $5 soldering gun off eBay, and a $10 battery, I replaced the battery in my Astro A50s pretty easily.
@awesome9174
4 жыл бұрын
@@ElgarL That's not really a problem unless you plan on keeping the controllers for 10 plus years or something lol
@ElgarL
4 жыл бұрын
I do. I expect my purchases to last as long as the materials they are made out of can last. These (index) controllers cost more than most people pay for their mobile phones but are basically disposable when the battery is internal and not designed to be replaced.
@blindsay
4 жыл бұрын
Watching the video at first and I'm like 'Ill stick with my Index' but i didn't think until you said it as an option for someone who maybe is looking at a Rift S but wants something a little better. While I love the lighthouse tracking of my Index I can appreciate the inside out tracking for its convenience, especially for less tech savy folks. The promise of no SDE is interesting as well. I don't see myself replacing the index anytime soon as a lot of checkboxes would need to be checked to beat it. Resolution/FoV/SDE/Refresh rate/Controllers/Tracking/Audio. There are some headsets that might beat the index in a single category but it does a very good job at all of them.
@stuff2watchnowmaybe
4 жыл бұрын
honestly I can't see headsets taking off that require a pc. The quest and link, "switch style" headset is the way forward. I love the idea of being able to plug the quest into my laptop for higher quality experiences, but then unplug it for bringing it to friends and parties.
@user-zy7xy8sf9o
4 жыл бұрын
stuff2watchnowmaybe laptops for vr are not going to perform very well
@stuff2watchnowmaybe
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-zy7xy8sf9o agree but that's all I have at the moment lol. Although the blade 15 (1060) has performed surprising well. Personally I'm happy as long as the game runs with stable FPS. Once the headset is on me I'm immersed and i don't mind the visual quality. Of course a desktop will perform better but I need the laptop for work for mobility. One day after I stop moving from house to house, I'll hopefully have the pc to drive top quality vr.
@matthagge4792
4 жыл бұрын
While I wholeheartedly agree that the Quest form-factor is the future of VR, I just don't think it's the present. Until mobile chipsets are powerful enough, or remote-rendering is viable enough, then PC HMDs will remain at the top of the stack when you're looking for the best experience. However I can't wait for the day, and the product, that changes that paradigm.
@originaltrilogy1
4 жыл бұрын
@@matthagge4792 But if you can connect the new Quest to the PC anyway, then there is no reason a new Quest can't be as featured as any other PC HMD.
@professorpiggos
4 жыл бұрын
If the next Oculus Quest (Pro/2) doesn't have Display Port Alt Mode Input for Link, this will definitely be the headset I buy.
@dl6216
4 жыл бұрын
You need to do a vid on the effect of Covid-19 on VR...i ordered a Rift S on 22nd March and was delayed to 22nd April,...Now still delay further to 17th June and that's not even guaranteed due to stock availability
@DreamsDiabolic
4 жыл бұрын
I feel you. Wanted an Index but it currently has a 16 week wait due to the Covid crisis. I instead bought a Vive Pro, bought it and had it delivered in 5 days. Love the headset with no regrets. Going wireless with it also beats the Index.
@roboslobonator
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm really curious how/if hp will pull off even the initial pre-orders of this considering all other manufacturer's delays.
@gaiadrazer
4 жыл бұрын
8:49 the “6 cameras were useless.” Much savage
@B00h44
4 жыл бұрын
still waiting for amazon to send me my rift s :( by the time I get it I'll be ripe for a museum.
@BrotherO4
4 жыл бұрын
1. there needs to updated to use Steam api not window mix. 2. it needs to be able to support the index controller. 3. Oculus already proven IR is the way to go. that is about it.
@noahbeep3426
4 жыл бұрын
Background music in this video is pretty great
@psistorm04
4 жыл бұрын
As someone who's bought into the rift s, this might just be my upgrade since I found the rift to be somewhat lacking, and the oculus software to not really play all that nice with steamvr either. Had major trouble running both while doing pcars 2 in vr until i disabled the steamvr overlay since the two were fighting somehow. Higher res, bit more refresh rate, IPD slider.. this might be my next headset and get me back into VR more actively
@ihasgoose8933
4 жыл бұрын
so I am getting a oculus quest but I check oculus for the first time and they where sold out, 10 minutes later I got one so is that luck or good timing?
@patrykmarciniak9362
4 жыл бұрын
luck, mate.
@ahphodg260
4 жыл бұрын
I would recomend wait fo the Quest2. My main complaint is that its very front heavy and bulky also the procesign power is really outdated as of now. The quest is the future of VR if they manage to improve on it.
@silvercloudj
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t wait for a Quest 2. With the pandemic and everything going on, it’s better to get the Quest now and sell it when the 2 comes out (Since I’m sure the Quest will be out of stock for a bit!)
@AdmiralBison
4 жыл бұрын
I will not be upgrading from my 2016 HTC Vive until standards of Field of view is at least around 200 degrees in the majority of headsets. So it maybe a few more years. Also VR treadmills to solve locomotion with moving treads, not "slip and slide", lift legs in one place would be a massive part of the whole immersion VR. Yaw motion simulator has essentially solve the seated, driving, flying of VR with reasonable prices, functionality and features.
@pompommania
4 жыл бұрын
Byebye Faceculus, hello HP Reverb.
@nathaniellong4281
4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to get into VR, but my ipd is a cursed 55. I looked everywhere for a headset that could fit, watched multiple videos, read multiple forums, even contacted and asked companies like Oculus and Valve directly. The only one that was not insanely expensive and could fit me was the HP Reverb. I was going to buy one, but then priorities changed. Now I want to buy again, and when I heard there was now a Reverb G2, I was hopeful. And then I watched this video.
@rinkumultani6515
4 жыл бұрын
Naaaaaa if it was 150ish fov with same display i would have called it dream headset. Waiting for next gen again
@MaaZeus
4 жыл бұрын
If it had the same displays stretched over wider FOV then it would look like crap, SDE everywhere. You need more horizontal resolution, which then requires more GPU horsepower and this is already pretty power hungry. If you want something similar but wider FOV then Pimax 8KX is what you want. It has the same vertical resolution as Reverb but bigger horizontal res and much wider FOV.
@rinkumultani6515
4 жыл бұрын
@@MaaZeus valve index have lot less res and have wider fov people say its the best headset. so even if its was 130 or 150 fov i think it would have better res then index after stretching the display
@kapt980
4 жыл бұрын
Fresh Quest user here. It was waaay beyond my expectations :D this is sooooo fun. Vader Immortal was...DAAAAAAANG
@matthiasice
4 жыл бұрын
Well, they lost me by maxing the IPD at 68. I'm at 69/70 IPD
@tombutts919
4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@ezzahhh
4 жыл бұрын
I'm at 56 lol
@brucelongdog
4 жыл бұрын
yup.....I'm a human too!
@jerryhatfield1404
4 жыл бұрын
The sweet spot where the lens gets a clear image on the G2 is very large. I'm sure that it will work for 69 and 70 great. You can order it and return it if it gives you issues.
@prinzeugengaming6821
4 жыл бұрын
I bought the first HP WMR and I had tons of problems, mostly with the controllers. I just bought a Rift S Friday when it was back on sale for an hour. Wish I heard of the HP G2 when I bought the Rift 2, oh well I'm still glad I bought the Rift S though
@joshuarogers3918
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the reverb g2 seems very good for its price, and I think oculus might be beat.
@impracticalKim
4 жыл бұрын
It's at least going to be some competition.
@supremebaconoverlord
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure because of the minimum system specs. Some people like myself would have to upgrade their PC. Even my Gaming laptop which I bought in 2018 doesn't meet the specs. Video card and Ram do but not the processor which is an i5. It will probably sell well to the hardcore VR enthusiasts who can't afford an index. Like mentioned if the Battery is the same then that would suck. Had to replace them like every other day sometimes daily on my Lenovo Explorer. If it cuts out in the middle of a game I would sometimes have to go through the room setup again because it sometimes doesn't detect the controller anymore after replacing the batteries. Still though I'll wait for reviews before I upgrade and take the plunge.
@Barchueetadonai
4 жыл бұрын
How does this beat Oculus? The Quest is still better in so many ways that I honestly don't think it would be worth getting this even if priced the same as the Quest due to how good the tracking is and how good Virtual Desktop has gotten.
@LHokiH
4 жыл бұрын
Oh my god. The line is so cool where you separated intro and other stuff :D
@montanazh
4 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for an fov about 140 so I'll skip this one
@ricardosendes776
4 жыл бұрын
i hoped it was an index 2.0, but its kinda different, there are some points that really make me not buy this, only inside out tracking and the controllers for example. but i can really see this headset being used by the sim Racing community alot, since they care more about visual clarity than refresh rate. The price caught me off guard, i thought it would be more expensive than the index, but 400$ cheaper is quite amazing, i can see myself recommending that headset to alot of people! Great review VRO
@genshin.sonata
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone gangsta, till the minimum to run this headset is GTX 1080, well, i'll pass
@jacooosthuizen3593
4 жыл бұрын
i can run it. suck it peasant xD
@psistorm04
4 жыл бұрын
I guess it's just the raw numbers. You need hardware beefy enough to push 90 fps on those 2160x2016 per eye displays, that's a lot of pixel pushing
@verbosi7y275
4 жыл бұрын
There will probably be an option to lower the resolution in the future.
@TheBaldr
4 жыл бұрын
At $600, if you aren't even running a RTX 2060 why are you even thinking this is an option?
@connor.77
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBaldr would a 2070 suffice? I'm in need of a new cpu and prob some more ram, but I not gonna upgrade my gpu for atleast another 3 years.
@ghostazp3377
4 жыл бұрын
Just pre-ordered.My main headset is the o.g. reverb so I hope these upgrades are worth getting a whole new headset for.The new controllers look alot nicer and its cool they will sell them separately so if the upgrade over the previous version isnt that great I can cancel and just buy them!
@Miller6616
4 жыл бұрын
"Wilcome to thee owasis"
@spencinator1616
4 жыл бұрын
“No compromises” -Only 90hz -Only 114FOV (Same as last model and lower than Index) -Worse controllers, probably can’t buy headset separate from them for knuckles use So this is basically Valve Index Lite / S. Price is nice at least.
@anon515
4 жыл бұрын
the resolution is the best part, and no screen door effect
@sheeftz
4 жыл бұрын
@@anon515 Resolution and SDE wasn't an issue in G1 as well. Basicly G2 is a good update for G1 and nothing more. It's no near next gen in any aspect. Only good for the price and that's it.
@spencinator1616
4 жыл бұрын
Veridian that is true
@ELGG1894
4 жыл бұрын
Well most people dont have 1000 dollars laying around for a new toy
@sydnergi3287
4 жыл бұрын
That moment when you don’t have a gaming computer
@gavial1448
4 жыл бұрын
@Alonso Reyes wtf?
@starmole5000
4 жыл бұрын
You're a good lad Mike. With a strong name.
@aublak7492
4 жыл бұрын
My Odyssey+ has only been getting better as it gets updated. I'm really excited for the future of WMR.
@SOULDEZIGNER
4 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to buy the "reverb G2", but there's just not enough good games in VR yet. I was SO stupid and bought "oculus rift dk2" too early. Now i just can't go back to flatscreen...EVER again, and there's just a few games in VR, that i really enjoy. It's like shooting myself in my own leg. Now i'm stuck and just waiting for more good vr games. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ VR games, that I like : Robo Recall War Dust Contractors Pavlov Onward ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I want games like : ARK, Borderlands 3, Battlefield 3 & 4, Cyberpunk 2077, Left 4 dead, Saints Row, GTA, Dying Light, Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Dead Island, Rust, 7 Days To Die, Far Cry, Cod, Bulletstorm and so on.....IN VR. I am REALLY looking forward to "Low-Fi" though. That VR game, look SICK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you SO MUCH for the video. ALWAYS a BLAST
@FatterTony
4 жыл бұрын
You still have the dk2? It'll be an emotional day when you see something like the reverb for the first time. Start saving, you're missing out on so much. The v2 reverb was a massive step up in clarity over the rift s even
@rascuvalentin
4 жыл бұрын
Finally a worthy sucessor to my cv1 , cant wait to see if the screendoor is finally gone.
@WikiPeoples
4 жыл бұрын
Why wasn't the Index a worth successor?
@Zenroy
4 жыл бұрын
@@WikiPeoples lol because its very expensive
@rascuvalentin
4 жыл бұрын
WikiPeoples too expensive for what it is and not in my range, im excited for the no screendoor claim, a thing ive been waiting since i first bought my rift headset only kit.
@WikiPeoples
4 жыл бұрын
@@rascuvalentin Fair enough!
@jeverbever
4 жыл бұрын
Your video editing and hosting skills are phenomenal. Thank you for the effort that you put into your videos!
@VirtualRealityOasis
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chipmunk. I really appreciate the comment mate []-)
@kobaltstaub287
4 жыл бұрын
I don't get the fact that some peoples like rechargeable controllers better, I have an old Rift CV1 and what I like most is the ability to change the batteries on the fly WHILE IN a game and continue for many more hours while you HAVE to stop with the index rechargeable controllers to recharge them. I think this is an awesome move from HP
@hmiguellima
4 жыл бұрын
I sold my Samsung Odyssey for a Rift S, and the main reason was the controller's tracking and ergonomics, I actually expected a much better experience from Oculus, but looking back I think that unless you stick inside the Oculus ecosystem, the experience for example related with steam integration is very comparable. Unfortunately for PC gamers it seems that Oculus/Facebook is more interested in investing on their own ecosystem, which makes sense for them ofc, but I hope to see innovation also come to PC, so kudos to hp, microsoft and valve !
@MorgBallEntertainment
4 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to get one of these
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4 жыл бұрын
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4 жыл бұрын
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4 жыл бұрын
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4 жыл бұрын
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4 жыл бұрын
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@darkmaster2110
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm in the minority with wanting more traditional controllers for the Index. The Index controllers are great when they're used properly, but a lot of games I feel like they're unnecessary or sometimes hindering. Beat Saber is a good example, I much preferred my old Oculus Touch controllers for it. If Valve or someone else came out with Steam VR compatible controllers that were similar to oculus touch with a physical grip button and no knuckle strap, I'd probably buy them if they were around $200 and switch off and on with them depending on the game I'm playing. Hand sweat is also an issue for me with the Index controllers. Sometimes my hands get too sweaty if I'm moving around a lot and it effect my ability to grab things. That's where the physical grip button would really help. Also not to mention I'm scared to click my thumbsticks too much so I don't break them or get stick drift like tons of people complain about. I got my Index back in November and I plan to try to RMA my controllers before my 1 year warranty is up just to make sure I get the most out of them and also hope that Valve has revised the issue better by then in new builds of the controllers.
@Thomasito44
4 жыл бұрын
I pre-ordered the Reverb G2 and hope to use it with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020
@iglooom
4 жыл бұрын
Wow, timestamps/chapters now inside timeline, nice.
@HiCZoK
4 жыл бұрын
The lcd is great in theory and while I liked the screen door on Rift S, the LCD black levels are terrible and made me wish to go back to rift cv1. When the screen is not totally black but grey, the fov seems smaller because the screen is visible compared to black inside of the headset. Dark flashlight scenes in Alyx looked terrible on Rift S compared to cv1. So all in all, even that S was clearer than cv1, I preferred oled colors and black much more. The immersion is just better with oled. Or maybe they can lower the brightness of the lcd like on vive... S is always FULL ON BRIGHT. I think quest is the only OLED headset right now?
@Zenroy
4 жыл бұрын
no the samsung odyssey and odyssey+ have oled screens, i would just buy that and pair these controllers with it.
@xalex7923
4 жыл бұрын
For me the controllers last 8-10h so... Not a real problem anyway, except you do 24h VR stream or something (using rechargables AA 35€ using microusb charger)
@didiodulaw7417
4 жыл бұрын
To clarify: are you referring to the controllers of the G1?
@xalex7923
4 жыл бұрын
@@didiodulaw7417 Every WMR headset except HP Reverb G2 have all the same controllers yes
@noahchristensen7170
4 жыл бұрын
technically you can use the other steam vr controllers with this headset if you have base stations, someone did the Knuckles with a rift S.
@TheGameGuruTv
4 жыл бұрын
I found that super tedious to set up
@TheRexTera
4 жыл бұрын
I think the lack of trackpad on the controllers might be a problem in games that doesn’t support WMR. If a game has comparability with SteamVR movements usually is defaulted on the trackpad. If I play Doom VFR it uses both the analogue sticks and the directional controllers on my Odyssey. Analogue for smooth movement and turning, directional keys for dash and teleportation. Wonder how that would work with WMR controllers without the trackpads and directional keys.
@firemj6761
4 жыл бұрын
I like how he added the steps and shows what steps there are
@ericslingerland5472
4 жыл бұрын
so when I clicked on the video I was 100% sure youtube had it listed as an Eric for President video. the intro really threw me. just to clarify, not disappointed
@trufflles9495
4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip kind of if you have an Xbox one with Xbox controller charging station just put the battery’s in the Xbox controller then put on the charging station and let them charge then take out battery’s and put in VR controllers and they should be charged
@mikkoisokangas8680
4 жыл бұрын
That will be my next VR headset!
@humorgep
4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that timestamp indication in the video is great!
@dnzrdm
4 жыл бұрын
You know what? I'm more excited about the 6m cable than anything else.
@TuTAH_1
4 жыл бұрын
This seems like an good upgrade from CV1. For the first time, it's definitely better than CV1 in all respects
@attq3980
4 жыл бұрын
Next gen vr headsets needs to be 120hz minimum and wirelessly connected to the PC.
@Zenroy
4 жыл бұрын
lol no, there arent even good wireless monitors and its not possible at 120hz wirelessly in our current state.
@gavial1448
4 жыл бұрын
and 4K per eye, at least 8 cameras for tracking and full body tracking would also be great...
@qChumber
4 жыл бұрын
im surprised that microsoft didnt wanna colab on tracking. Or at least controller support
@SingleRacerSVR
4 жыл бұрын
POSSIBLE VIDEO IDEA?. Hey Mike, this video prompted a video idea suggestion - that if you thought of the right title to give it - could be a long running yearly series (possibly?). So to give you my suggestion, imagine that you had the Reverb G2 tomorrow. And the key was you thought it was good enough to REPLACE the Valve index (it probably won't, but lets just pretend ; ). So my idea is just like the "Car Leader Board" on the TV show Top Gear - where the fastest car replaces the next fastest on the board. How about a possibly yearly series of video's to say when you are finished recording the next video for the channel - and you JUST want to play some games for yourself personally. Having some sort of leader board for what you use to play what sort of game. EG :- You want to play Beat Saber & Superhot VR - then your current "Leader Board" choice is THE QUEST / you want to play a detailed Racing Sim - so your current "Leader Board" choice is THE VALVE INDEX - another example could be why you MIGHT use the Pimax 5+ to play a particular game, etc, etc, etc...…. just a suggestion, as this Leader Board idea, could go on for years, as each headset gets replaced/updated by something better in the future???
@qd22knfm89
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a cheap standalone HP WMR headset off of eBay. It didn't come with the controllers but I'm going to wait now that these new controllers are coming out instead of buying the old WMR controllers on eBay. The G2s controllers look rather promising.
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