I've had my Onyx hub for three years. IMO the finest hub on the market. Riding in complete silence is incredible. Onyx customer support is first rate.
@skibum1976
3 жыл бұрын
You had to use their customer support? I had to do the same with I9, Hope, Bontrager, Shimano and many others - my King wheelset which gets the most use has never needed customer support - funny. I think King must not have any customer service at all given the quality I’ve experienced.
@TexasNightRider
3 жыл бұрын
@@skibum1976 My Onyx hub began experiencing an engagement problem after I made the mistake of rinsing my bike with high pressure water. Onyx cleaned, relubed, replaced the bearings, replaced the free hub body at no charge including free shipping. Been through driving rain storms since with no problems.
@norman-gregory
2 жыл бұрын
@@TexasNightRider...Very good testimony from Onyx. Silence is Golden.
@dodoslovensko
6 жыл бұрын
Onyx finally no annoing noise. Had ck for 20 years I think i can still hear the Buzzing in my head
@ericpmoss
6 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that Chris King doesn't like the 'angry bees' sound, and originally intended to make a silent hub. Existing customers demanded the noise. So here we are. :( kzitem.info/news/bejne/2Xtpq42ijYBjhX4
@DualDesertEagle
5 жыл бұрын
*Overtakes u with his Dirt Jump Bike with an Octane One hub* *RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
@CactusJackSlade
3 жыл бұрын
Onyx, hands down. I have several I-9 wheel sets and now wish they were ALL Onyx! With the new Onyx Vespar hub design the weight difference is now only about 100 grams. I will take that weight for the smooooothness, quietness and less maintenance. Considering the Onyx is only $30 more for a rear hub it's a no contest for me :-)
@mrsmartypants_1
4 жыл бұрын
The weight “disadvantage” of the Onyx means little being centrally located (axle) around a revolving mass (the wheel). The lower resistance of the Onyx may be more significant. That added weight would make a substantial though small difference if it was in the rim. (Laws of angular momentum and rotational inertia). Hence the advantage of carbon rims and aluminum spokes. When price and catastrophic failure are removed from the equation:)
@piggybladder
2 жыл бұрын
True - but you're still hauling that extra weight up hill whether it's at the centre of wheel or on the rim. It's still part of the overall bike weight.
@mrsmartypants_1
2 жыл бұрын
@@piggybladder I’m sorry but you don’t understand rotational kinetic energy. Reducing a wheel’s weight by an ounce (28 grams) is significantly more impactful than reducing the frame by an ounce. Ask any UCI World Tour pro - he/she would sell their soul to the devil to be able to take an ounce off each of their wheels (while retaining the same strength). That isn’t the case with reducing frame weight.
@pakan357
2 жыл бұрын
@@mrsmartypants_1 Piggybladder said it right, you are still pedaling with the extra mass no matter where it's mounted. It's still weight penalty, just not as big as if it was heavier rim or tire.
@phatrickmoore
2 жыл бұрын
Never remove catastrophic failure from the equation!! Lol.
@ericbeech2652
Жыл бұрын
It's only a half pound difference between the onyx classic hub and the hydra. Quit being a whimp!
@bwest6275
5 жыл бұрын
Onyx FTW. All my MTB have them. And silence truly is golden. Only thing that sucks? Riding with friends who don’t have Onyx as their hub noise negate the silence of the Onyx hub 🤦♂️
@hitthetrail817
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe dumb question but do you put them on the front and rear? Or just rear?
@bwest6275
5 жыл бұрын
Jeff Hutchings technically its only the rear hub that would gain your silence.
@flacktastic21
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, but I'm still kind of baffled that you didn't discuss the sound is difference???
@Silvia0073
5 жыл бұрын
Both are fantastic, I for one absolutely hate the sound. Even as a kid on BMX's, my one complaint is the noise. Now it's pure bliss with Onyx.
@edgarsnezinu1439
6 жыл бұрын
Onyx best hubs no doubt
@legoP62519
5 жыл бұрын
industry nine hydra For the WIN
@flacktastic21
4 жыл бұрын
You definitely do feel the weight difference though... I would like the best of both worlds!
@thelongestnameinthecomment9677
4 жыл бұрын
@@flacktastic21 well that happened already 😃
@R6trackaddict66
5 жыл бұрын
Bought a used Devinci Wilson that came with I9 Gravity wheel set, and absolutely love the I9 Torch hub.Lighter and easy maintenance.. Also, love a loud hob!!! I9 FTW.
@R6trackaddict66
Жыл бұрын
@@Pens4Life85 😂A loud hub is like a loud exhaust on a motorcycle, the louder the better Mr. hearing sensitive to cool ass loud hub sound. Lol✌
@schlooonginator1227
2 жыл бұрын
Love my Onyx hubs. My bike is a very weight conscious Sniper trail and the extra weight that all the negative nannies holler about was factored in my decision to choose these over the competition because it's in the center of the wheel where it's least felt(variances in tires can effectively be as impactful). What sold me was the obviously superior strength of its design, not just the double row of Sprags but where it sits inside, protected and supported by bearings on each end, no contamination is getting in. The instant "clutch" as opposed to "clunk" engagement makes for a much smoother overall drive train experience, and the silent, friction free rolling VS all other high engagement hubs are just the cherry on top. It's one component where I don't sweat a hundred gram penalty in exchange for knowing it's not going to suddenly pop or grind in the middle of nowhere.
@ParkImaging
5 жыл бұрын
Love my Onyx hubs. I9s are beautiful for sure but I cannot stand all the noise (Hope hubs are the worst). And I could not care less about the 180 grams of weight difference. My Onyx are also paired with bullet-proof Light-Bicycle carbon wheels for an amazing complete package. I9 makes some really cool spokes that I might like to use in my next wheel build though.
@mschumacher1095
6 жыл бұрын
Onyx for my MTB and fatty because I like to sneak up on the competition and then give a nice "ding" with a bell. On the road bike - louder the better (I9) because I want the guy to know I am there so they don't make sudden line changes.
@FreemanVDO
4 жыл бұрын
Although I've been one of those MTB riders who, yeah, likes the loudest hub sound possible, but considering the advantages of Onyx hub that engages instantly and zero drag, it's hard to deny that I have to look at this silent hub before building new wheel set.
@jeremyprovonsil7886
2 жыл бұрын
The weight “penalty” is 1/3 of a pound. (.33). A half full water bottle, multi-tool, etc…all weigh more than that. If you’re after flawless high performance and the most engagement with the least (if any) maintenance, go Onyx. If you are after very good performance, usual occasional maintenance, very high engagement, and actually seeking or don’t care about constant buzzing sound, go I9. Both hubs should help up your game, or at least up your Instagram bike check posts. Some people are paying $450 for a buzzing sound. That’s funny. Brass tax is: the performance, weight, and ease of maintenance is lost on most riders. If you have an extra ~$500 to spend just buy what you like and enjoy it. As long as you’re enjoying trails at the end of the day you really can’t lose. 👍🏽
@ericpmoss
8 ай бұрын
My only concern with the Onyx weight is how it affects suspension response to high frequency chatter. My application is a weird one, to be fair. I have a fully suspended “all road” bike, and the lighter I can get the wheel, the faster the suspension can respond. OTOH I haven’t seen any numbers telling me if the extra 6-7 ounces really matters - maybe all the chatter I’m thinking of gets addressed by the tires. Too bad I don’t have the $ to try them all.
@rekamniar
5 ай бұрын
Love how strong my light bicycles 27.5 33mm wheelset. Its been 2 years and i still dont need to firm up the spokes.
@borismartin
5 жыл бұрын
Onyx all the way. Silence is golden. Every time I hear someone with a loud hub, instinctively wanna knock them off of their bike. So annoying.
@DualDesertEagle
5 жыл бұрын
Dirt Jumper with an octane one rear hub overtakes u *RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR* If u don't like it, wear fuckin' earplugs! I do like the sound and I'd take it and a little bit of slack over heavy-ass hub with fragile parts anyday!
@riammey
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t hate me then, I make my hub loud as possible 😬 I just like it
@tristanwwsd
4 жыл бұрын
@@riammey And you double down with cards in the spokes of both wheels !
@weathdone
Жыл бұрын
but u would have to catch me first... lmao n dat def not gonna happen ;) y'all goona say u like silent motorcycles N dirt bikes too.. oh n silent cars SMH..
@mickeymouse9654
10 ай бұрын
ONYX!!! 😃
@marklee3570
4 жыл бұрын
Grizzly and Black bears in Canada, so although I like the silent and instant engagement of Onyx, I'd have to go with a loud hub. CKs or I9s.
@believe8263
3 жыл бұрын
Just put cards in your spokes like the rest of us.
@riammey
4 жыл бұрын
I mean I like both the loud sound of a hub or complete silence it depends, if I’m on dirt jumps or just freeride jumps I like to have the buzzing sound of a loud hub, if I’m trail riding or downhill tech I like a silent hub
@paradox963
6 жыл бұрын
Imagine how much nicer sounding a busy day on the trails would be if everyone ran Onyx hubs instead of the pissed off bee hive that is the i9.
@DualDesertEagle
5 жыл бұрын
Wear some earplugs if u hate it so much! I'm not gonna spend a sh!tton of money on a hub that looks like it could break under any decent load just coz some wimp doesn't like the sound of my octane one!
@Gungarr
5 жыл бұрын
@@DualDesertEagle You havent held the onyx hub then, because its stiff as fuck, you can kill someone with this thing.
@dkgray828
5 жыл бұрын
@generaldwarf Of course you can kill someone with it... it's heavy as a brick.
@minituck04
4 жыл бұрын
@@DualDesertEagle Near every BMX runs them and they are putting out way more wattage than any rider on any circuit
@DualDesertEagle
4 жыл бұрын
@@minituck04 I highly doubt that coz apart from taking the slack out of the first pedal stroke (and using a fragile looking mechanism to do so) this thing does the same job as any single speed hub, which is transferring the forward torque coming from the sprocket to the wheel and allowing the wheel to spin forward without forcing the pedals forward with it!
@TUONOv4
3 жыл бұрын
Shimano offered a roller style clutch hub long ago. Much lighter and lower priced as well. I expect they will answer with an updated version soon.
@kbd13-n9c
2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t they abandon that design?
@TUONOv4
2 жыл бұрын
@@kbd13-n9c Yes, they did. I blew a couple of them out.
@harrylarry1490
5 жыл бұрын
Onyx! I wonder why there are not more hub designs like these from other manufacturers.
@troyesch6203
10 ай бұрын
Because they have it patent protected I’m sure
@adaminzunza2721
4 жыл бұрын
I want trail walkers to hear me coming so I wouldn’t go silent
@01nmuskier
4 жыл бұрын
Say hi?
@denoki
3 жыл бұрын
you make them crazy with that noise and they jump right in front of you
@adaminzunza2721
3 жыл бұрын
denoki lol not even. They hear you and move out the way
@denoki
3 жыл бұрын
@@adaminzunza2721 you know that what i wrote is true.. they here it much to late and do panik
@adaminzunza2721
3 жыл бұрын
denoki lol you must not ride much
@smbmx6581
4 жыл бұрын
Favorite hub: Profile Elite
@Rose_Butterfly98
5 жыл бұрын
Onyx. Honestly the i9 doesn't look super durable, that ledge design looks like it'll wear out. Plus I've always wanted a silent hub. Some of my friends like really loud hubs , I like the really quiet one's. Kinda stems from the time I raced my bike at night with some random people for fun. Having a silent hub helps with over taking downslope or in a corner because they can't hear you coming.
@augustwagner5462
6 жыл бұрын
Love my profile elite hubs with 1.7 degrees and 204 points of engagement. Dead simple to maintain and service and sound amazing
@austingodii4747
6 жыл бұрын
August Wagner profile hubs have the must drag out of any high end hub. So cheers to that.
@augustwagner5462
6 жыл бұрын
@@austingodii4747 not going to deny that, it's in the design of the hub. For what I do... downhill, enduro, and xc racing as well as dirt jumps, they're perfect and the sound let's people know when I'm coming
@Chretze
6 жыл бұрын
Looks amazing! Do they make one that fits a single speed? I don't actually ride a single speed, I'm interested in the Pinion gearbox system, that way you also only have a single cog on the rear axle.
@LightBicycleOfficial
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, both Industry 9 and Onyx have a single speed option for the freehub. We can get a single speed hub in for you. It would just be a special order. You could email sales@lightbicycle.com for more details. Cheers
@monkeyboy991000
6 жыл бұрын
LightBicycle Im looking at the onyx fat bike hubs and I see they have 2 options, 1 for xd and hg. I wanna go with HG because that uses shimano?? what cassete and derailleur does that use??
@PghMtbRides
2 жыл бұрын
You also have roller bearing hub like prescision/box and Star rachet hub like dtswiss
@weathdone
Жыл бұрын
@@monkeyboy991000 HG is old shimano.. micro spline is the standard 4 shimano now.. Sram is XD
@mtbboy1993
5 жыл бұрын
It's time for i9 hydra vs onyx, but a comparison of how much engagement it actually is would be nice i know onyx is almost instant, but i9 got it pretty close too. For me these år ethe main choices.
@greatdimitri1049
5 жыл бұрын
If you have ridden Onyx there is no comparison...it's INSTANT vs everything else that tries to be.
@mtbboy1993
5 жыл бұрын
@@greatdimitri1049 have u tested i9 too? I might get onyx then, I nned reliability I don't mind extra weight if I gain engagement, cus that's important. So far my hope wheels have been doing good, but lack engagement, but not so bad it's unbearable, but not great, but it has been reliable, but nice i9 switched to leaf springs, cus that's easy to work on.
@mtbboy1993
5 жыл бұрын
@@greatdimitri1049 so far it seems like it's the only choice, do far.
@greatdimitri1049
5 жыл бұрын
@@mtbboy1993 I've ridden, i9, Onyx, Project 321 and Hope. Reliability goes to Onyx as I have 3 friends on them... we've all broken i9s...I even stripped the ring gear out of a Project 321. If you don't mind the extra weight...ONYX is legit and there is ZERO delay in power transfer.
@mtbboy1993
5 жыл бұрын
@@greatdimitri1049 I hope the new i9 stuff will be better, shame ppl had to deal with that.
@ap1reviewsadventures96
4 жыл бұрын
Industry nine hydra for the win. Hail hydra!
@mtnbikerva1
2 жыл бұрын
How are the hubs now. Lasting, durable, high maintenance , no maintenance, seals, grease, free hub body, flanges...? I know I9 switched to hydra hub. Drag, over time.
@LightBicycleOfficial
2 жыл бұрын
Here is our Hydra vs Torch overview video kzitem.info/news/bejne/t2ps4KKEfmapl34&t=
@charlesmansplaining
5 жыл бұрын
I built up a set of disc wheels for my cyclocross bike using the I9 hubs and I'm not really that happy. For one thing they are expensive. I don't mind the noise so much because I wear earbuds and blast jams to cover it up and when other people are in my path the sound alarms them to get out the way. But I do feel a bit taken by the price. I wish I would have known more about the ONYX hubs before making my choice. I built up another set of wheels using the White Industries CLD hubs and for the money I am totally pleased with those. I will never buy Industry Nine hubs again. Update to my comment made four years ago: I have gotten the Onyx Vesper hub and Wow! I like the silence much better. The instant engagement is also very noticeable and I like that part too. I have been so happy with Onyx that I ordered another rear hub to build a wheel with a less aero aluminum rim. Weight isn't everything and should not be a reason to not buy the Vesper hub.
@LuisManuelHdez
4 жыл бұрын
Like both but bought the torch set in that wild purple .
@bukho2731
3 жыл бұрын
Superb.
@LuisManuelHdez
Жыл бұрын
I9 all day🐝🐝🐝🐝
@SourPatchPuss
2 жыл бұрын
It seems its the bikers who have the maturity of a 5 year old that like the loudest possible hub sound 😂
@albertmanzo9510
3 жыл бұрын
Looking for lightest sooooo I9 is the winner...Onyx is 150gm heavier ?
@monkeyboy991000
6 жыл бұрын
Can somebody help me? I new to all the hub stuff and I'm planning on buying this 20" fat bike called the buzzraw, it has cassete gears, using the saram x4 8 speed and uses 190mm x 9mm rear hubs, but I can only find 190mm x 12 by onyx? would it be compatible? Also there the XD and HG which refers to sarams xD and Shimano hyperglide cassette? I'm confused!!!
@LightBicycleOfficial
6 жыл бұрын
The SRAM X4 PG850 8 Speed Cassette uses the Shimano HG (Hyperglide) freehub actually. Most Sram cassettes do use the Sram XD freehub body, but the one you have uses the Shimano HG style. For 190x9mm I beleive they are referring to Quick release, here is the hub you're after: onyxrp.com/store/fat-bike-hubs/fat-iso-hg-190-qr/
@LightBicycleOfficial
6 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Thanks for your questions. ONYX only offers the 190x12 for fat bikes. XD is the Sram driver body and the HG does refer to the Shimano hyperglide. Here is a link to our website if you would like to see some other hub and rim options for your fat bike. www.us.lightbicycle.com Feel free to ask any more questions. Cheers
@monkeyboy991000
6 жыл бұрын
LightBicycle Thank you so much!! I appreciate the help! 😃
@austingodii4747
6 жыл бұрын
Good thing I have both 😛😊
@mikegraham4059
3 жыл бұрын
Good for you, tryhard.
@ElevationStation1988
5 жыл бұрын
Nice channel! Cheers 🤘🏼🐻🤘🏼 I want a silent hub!
@vladislavkhobot2731
2 жыл бұрын
Does an I9 Hydra have little resistance as well, and does the Onyx Vesper hub have only a bit less resistance that i9
@hulkster4374
2 жыл бұрын
The drag on a onyx hub is minuscule while i9 hydra has a lot more drag it’s noticeable if you were to ride a bike with an onyx hub and one with an i9 Hydra
@u.e.u.e.
Ай бұрын
Onyx! I come from a time and country (1980's East Germany) where NOT ANY hub made any sound and a wheel was spinning for 5 minutes. I'm absolutely not understanding why loud and more friction is in any way "better" on a bicycle. I simply don't get it! 😵💫
@believe8263
3 жыл бұрын
This is what Onyx hubs sound like " ". Nice isn't it.
@LightBicycleOfficial
3 жыл бұрын
👍😴 Quiet enough to take a nap while out riding lol
@weathdone
Жыл бұрын
if ur a sleeping Infant ya!!!!
@thibautnoah2599
6 жыл бұрын
My god, so onyx rear hub is 200g heavier than a dt 240 rear hub, that's quite a lot of weight
@towerful1
5 жыл бұрын
thibaut noah And totally worth it.
@deepsquats11
5 жыл бұрын
Not worth it to me...that's a tank of a hub regardless of the performance measure. I've always had great performance with i9 ..and I'll take the weight savings too
@taagerickson
4 жыл бұрын
@@deepsquats11 from what i understand, the onyx free hub is milled stainless while the I-9 is aluminum. If you're a bigger guy like me, there are definite advantages to the stainless vs. the aluminum. I have a tendency to roll the splines on my standard 11 speed setup over the aluminum I-9's making it extremely difficult to remove cassettes when they're ready for a change. I like my I-9's, but have been drooling over the onyx because I would never roll the splines over the stainless. Cassette changes would be a breeze... Understand the weight question, but for some riders it may be worth it.
@totalglitch
4 жыл бұрын
You will never ever notice the weight. It's unsprung. And ontop of that the i9 will have drag and you will feel that while pumping and free rolling
@tristanwwsd
4 жыл бұрын
@@totalglitch It's not unsprung. Everything below the spring is sprung.
@wesleygamboa2475
5 жыл бұрын
You need to update this video with the new I9’s
@aamgdp
5 жыл бұрын
DT Swiss
@ptrtng6307
Жыл бұрын
can't stand noisy hubs...it becomes really annoying after a couple of rides.
@CaBdosdos
5 жыл бұрын
I get people wanting silence but its just not a bike without a hub buzzing around, great for trails trafficked by hikers and the such to.
@LeoInterHyenaem
5 жыл бұрын
Both are beautiful, as are the Chris Kings and the Tunes and the Race Face's Vault line as well as HEDs, ENVEs, Corimas, Campagnolos, Mavics, Poggipolinis, etc. carbon hubs. The best as far as I'm aware. Second place I'd give to the likes of ExtraLite, AbsoluteBlack, White Industries, Zipp, & Hope, Shimano's best (the polished, anodised gun grey XTR & Durace Ace hubs) and NukeProof's Horizon hubs. The likes of DT Swiss hubs look pathetically mediocre (and thus ridiculously overpriced!) in comparison: Rotor's, Halo's, the old Spinergy hubs and even [some models of] the chinese PowerWay and Weapon hubs look considerably more appealing. One thing I lament - is the resort of all these companies to limit their hubs' disc brake interfaces to the 6-bolt system almost exclusively: for instance, there's only one model of Chris King that has a centrelock adapter. I personally am not fan of the 6-bolt system: I much prefer the CentreLock standard - both visually and in terms of engineering, it looks considerably better (a bit like the Lightning Port, compared to the ugly, wiggly, non-tactile and relatively sharp-edged USB-C) and takes much shorter to install or remove the rotor.
@timlobo2340
5 жыл бұрын
Dartmoor real pro 120 vs hope pro 4 review pls.
@dannywilliams1045
5 жыл бұрын
Which color onyx is this?
@ABDELLAHBOUGHROM
3 жыл бұрын
Can they be installed on road bikes wheels?
@LightBicycleOfficial
3 жыл бұрын
For our road wheels, there are options to choose Industry Nine Torch or Industry Nine 1/1 hubs for road. Depending on the wheelset there are also some Onyx options from the North American warehouse. Contact support@lightbicycle.com if you need help ordering.
@OayxYT
5 жыл бұрын
This also means it’s probably expensive
@LightBicycleOfficial
5 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily! The current generation of Onyx hubs is $637 for a set and the new generation will be $690 which puts them less than Chris King and inline with Industry Nine.
@mr.hotdoghighlighterr
2 жыл бұрын
Onyx
@outbackwack368
5 жыл бұрын
i9 is like a woman with a super annoying voice that won't shut the hell up. Silence is GOLDEN!
@weathdone
Жыл бұрын
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yall silent whining alll time is more annoying then aa I9 buzz LMAO
@Byrnzy
5 жыл бұрын
are u a robot
@Hawlkeye-e9p
4 жыл бұрын
Novatec. 30 dollar hubs...thx
@Type1on2wheels
3 жыл бұрын
come on guys, if you're going to make a video and expect people to take you seriously then don't put a bunch of coil springs next to the pawls of the inine hub.
@SeaCowsBeatLobsters
5 жыл бұрын
I9 sounds so much better though
@DualDesertEagle
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like that sprag clutch stuff's gonna budge if high torque is applied... What the fuck is up with all those wimps who get upset about loud hubs? Stick some fuckin' earplugs in ur ears if u don't like it!
@weathdone
Жыл бұрын
Lmao yup..lil sleepin Infants whinnin LOL
@Mile-long-list
5 жыл бұрын
What is wrong with your video angles who made that choice ? Lol honestly, stop making videos
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