The eagle should be sitting on the debris with wings looking like landing or taking off, would have been so much better
@jimmysmith2249
2 ай бұрын
Right? That would have been fantastic! Instead we get "the Imminent Arrival to Destination Fucked" birb.
@FPSLiverpoolgamingchannel
2 ай бұрын
@@jimmysmith2249 only without the gift of a case of mid-strength lager on arrival
@Icefear1986
2 ай бұрын
@@jimmysmith2249 that bird is about to end in a wildlife refuge due to a broken wing.
@bulldozer8950
2 ай бұрын
Or just give it a clear stand up thing. Sure it’s not perfectly clear so you can still see it, but no idea why “flying into a piece of metal” was the decision they went with of all the ways to make a dynamic bird
@joel7227
2 ай бұрын
wdym? Attaching the base to the birds elbow makes perfect sense! 🤣
@libraryproject2007
2 ай бұрын
Say what you will about Inquisitor Chungus and bird flying into rock, but at least he comes in a box with *NEW* and *DEFINITELY NOT ABOUT TO BE RESCULPTED* grey knights.
@Xynth25
2 ай бұрын
Grey Knights probably getting a big refresh with their actual codex or in 11th, it's time for them.
@polus134
2 ай бұрын
@@Xynth25 Grey knights vs demons
@BloodyArchangelus
2 ай бұрын
@@polus134 Grey knights vs Fulgrim
@Xynth25
2 ай бұрын
@@polus134 Grey Knights have like 4 models to update, a bunch of units build out of the same boxes. Daemons have way more...and assume each mold costs GW a minimum of $50,000 to make.
@Believer1980
2 ай бұрын
@@Xynth25 Well GW says in the article GKs are next year, So maybe end of 10th.
@lightstealer18
2 ай бұрын
Can't believe this model actually got approved for production
@ShadowPhoenixMaximus
2 ай бұрын
GW missed an opportunity to do a number of plastic kits for Inquisition: - An Inquisitor kit that comes with a variety of options and parts to represent all the major Ordos. - An Inquisitorial Stormtrooper kit. - An Acolyte/Interrogator kit that could function similar to a SM lieutenant (which again would come with options to represent all major Ordos). - Less likely, but it would have been nice to see more dual-purpose armoured vehicles similar to what GSCs have.
@DarkKnightCuron
2 ай бұрын
💯
@drunkenastarte5243
2 ай бұрын
They could easily drop a new Primaris'd version for the DW Kill Teams + Inq Stormtroopers as part of their 11th ed release... Kinda feels like Agents just got shoved into a purposefully dumb release slot being a summer codex, since Age of Shitmar 4th ed gobbled up all the plastic for the entire Summer release window.
@SteelStorm33
2 ай бұрын
yeash screw that coteaz kit, a generic MODULAR inquisitor would sell well, oh, gw doesnt do modular kits anymore...
@spenceremmons6571
2 ай бұрын
They also missed out on doing an Arbites character and detachment. All the Ordos and the Imperial Navy get detachments but the Arbites are just kind of a long for the ride.
@Deadjim17
2 ай бұрын
Variety? You want variety!? Heretic! The monopose mono weapon option takeover will continue and you will like it!
@CuriousLumenwood
2 ай бұрын
I feel like the new Coteaz model is some intern’s first mini. Why would you change his cape to be the over-the-shoulder kind? Why would you have him be looking to his left so that his vision is very obviously obscured by his own fur cloak? Why does he look like he is both striding forward and resting on the hammer? Why would you make him Ultra Widescreen? Why would you make the eagle a separate model with its own base? If you wanted it to be flying, why not give it a clear flying stand instead of this stupid tactical rock?
@kingdom99hearts
2 ай бұрын
I assume the Eagle is on its own base because it's going to be a token for an ability coteaz has. Agree with you on pretty much everything though.
@mouthwide0pen
2 ай бұрын
GW have moved away from clear flying stands as of late, is why. Name a single recent new model on one.
@dziku2222
2 ай бұрын
Lack of vision apparently, and making changes for the sake of making changes.
@RealJahzir
2 ай бұрын
These Boxsets feel like a Store Closing sale. Everything must go
@timunderbakke8756
2 ай бұрын
Except they won’t be priced like that
@JonahShrike
2 ай бұрын
The ordo xenos one is horrible, just random kits mashed together
@hootie1883
2 ай бұрын
Except for the Ordo Hereticus. Nearly impossible to get your hands on an immolator right now.
@stripeybag6977
2 ай бұрын
Yeah this is what I thought too xD
@guillercuastico
2 ай бұрын
@@hootie1883 the ordo hereticus is excellent battleforce. As someone who has no immolator yet, but a sisters, guardsmen and inquisition, and was interested in arbites, yeah, love at first sight. Only "but", I already have Greyfax
@DeathInTheSnow
2 ай бұрын
I can't believe the Tyranids ate all of the Deathwatch. Every last one... Ordo Xenos? More like "Order-up, Xenos!".
@entilzha1283
2 ай бұрын
I'll take an extra spicy, extra well done primaris blasted with a side of Inquisitor fries.
@SafetyBriefer
2 ай бұрын
I dislike you immensely.
@sonicwingnut
2 ай бұрын
Leagues of Votann: "First time?"
@Brettoh
2 ай бұрын
Coteaz looks like he ate all the Tyranids to be fair 😂
@friendlyspacedragon7250
2 ай бұрын
Maybe having tyranids eat deathwatch is one of them big brain moves from inquisitor Kryptmann.
@lorenzkroh755
2 ай бұрын
Damn the cotaez mini looks horrendous compared to the old one
@CatharsisChaser
2 ай бұрын
yeah absolutely goofy proportions and a terrible pose to boot... how stuff like this gets past the 3d modeling stage baffles me
@lieutenantartus
2 ай бұрын
Looks like a combination of Wayne Rooney and a stormcast kitbash
@Merlin10108
2 ай бұрын
It looks like he's wearing a big metal diaper
@bojoggs-ik8tq
2 ай бұрын
@@Merlin10108 4 plus invulnerable save against slaanesh, inquisitorial chastity belt for big inquisitor six.
@Pers0n97
2 ай бұрын
That Coteaz mini is downright awful. MY god what the actual fuck is this? He looks so... weirdly bulky, as in his armour is way too thick, and totally devoid of details... He almost look like some generic stormcast character. Even his hammer look lame and you know GW knows they failed here since unlike they always do, this updated miniature doesn't have the "before and after" comparison they always do.
@nielsjensen4185
2 ай бұрын
The Coteaz model looks like it's wearing a golden diaper because there's nothing covering it up like on the old model.
@leos8813
2 ай бұрын
New model is a huge downgrade. I hope this isn't the GW standard moving forward.
@robertwareham8466
2 ай бұрын
The grimdark alt universe version of Captain Underpants: Inquisitor Underpants!
@davidgantenbein9362
2 ай бұрын
I think it’s the fact that his upper body is pushed to the back compared to the diaper. Together with the big I it makes the diaper stick out a lot. Most Marines have the same basic armor design, but they usually are in more dynamic poses (upper body more to the front) or, as you said, use a cloth to make this part more dynamic for this style of pose. But yeah, once I saw what you meant, it starts to really stick out.
@robertwareham8466
2 ай бұрын
@@davidgantenbein9362 To be honest, I think it looks just goofy enough to be a fun model. I've never really been a fan of the loincloths on space marine(esque) models, and didn't particularly think the original Coteaz model was all that stellar. But then, I'm not into the inquisition particularly, so my opinion probably doesn't count. Having said all that, I might buy the new model just for the lulz. :P
@davidgantenbein9362
2 ай бұрын
@@robertwareham8466 Lots of goofy models are beloved, buy what you like and enjoy as much as you can :)
@jeremiegartner464
2 ай бұрын
Basically an army full of unique characters with units that are from kill teams or other armies.
@Naomi27Wargaming
2 ай бұрын
And I love it ❤
@kulman4295
2 ай бұрын
That is all I want
@tastiGMmaster2099
2 ай бұрын
*and then Imperial Agents Somehow sits at the top of the meta* “See?! No one expects the Imperial Inquisition!!!”
@The_Blackshield
2 ай бұрын
The Codex artwork is great! Such a classic. The new Coteaz model though? Absolutely awful! It's a shitty Stormcast conversion at best. It could have and should have been SO much better. But bad times for my Deathwatch. I'm a Deathwatch player, not a black-painted-armour ultramarine player dammit!
@Fortunes.Fool.
2 ай бұрын
I love how Stormcasts in AoS4 got skinnier legs while this guy looks his legs are swollen.
@frogoree
2 ай бұрын
Started playing last year, chose Deathwatch as my first army because I think they're cool and like their lore. Just about finally done collecting and painting 2k points. Feels awful tbh.
@The_Blackshield
2 ай бұрын
I've been playing Deathwatch since their original Kill Team from 3rd edition, so from 2003. I started them around '07, and when the 5th edition Space Marine codex came along I used them as the Sternguard unit. And then they got their own codex and new models, and that was it: my army was finally real! And now, ripped apart. It sucks.
@Fortunes.Fool.
2 ай бұрын
@@The_Blackshield I remember being blown away they could move and fire heavy bolters on suspensors!
@The_Blackshield
2 ай бұрын
Hell yes, suspensor units were awesome! But I guess such a thing would be too complicated for little Timmy these days.
@Depressed_Grimm
2 ай бұрын
I will carry deathwatch on my shoulders until i die, even if i will be the last person playing theme. GLORY TO THE DEATHWATCH
@karomiooo
2 ай бұрын
Im with you, Suffer not the Alien to live!
@filippocecamore7588
2 ай бұрын
Same. Still pissed that my army will be non functional without further expenses.....but Deathwatch is so unique and interesting. I will endure no matter what
@skilledwarman
2 ай бұрын
That ordo hereticus squad feels like a better sisters box set than the actual sisters box set
@OniGanon
2 ай бұрын
Funny, but unfortunately Sisters don't have much use for an Exaction Squad or Inquisitorial Henchmen, unless their rules see some spectacular improvement. And it has the wrong Priest.
@skilledwarman
2 ай бұрын
@@OniGanon yeah but you know what it doesn't have? 15 flyers and a tank they nerfed to hell
@elijahherstal776
2 ай бұрын
I personally am kinda stoked about it, because I don't really want to use Sisters because girls not allowed in my 40k. Just kidding, I'm just probably never gonna use them.
@TheH0ff
2 ай бұрын
@@elijahherstal776 kitbash them into female Custodes and troll everyone
@nikot.9920
2 ай бұрын
Alittle disappointed with the new sculpt for Cotaez, but as a knights player it will be interesting being able to have a battle sister squad or a grey knight terminators squad to ally in. Can't wait to see the incoming Imperial soup lists even if they aren't strong.
@2guys1cliplol
2 ай бұрын
Yeah the eagle being in a different base feels off. I hope ots not part of the rules
@snorri8110
2 ай бұрын
Just be aware that the GK teleport assault rules only works in index Grey Knights, not in the imperial agents army
@jacket2848
2 ай бұрын
@@snorri8110 well, that depends on if they include certain datasheets in the new codex. They might have that as an ability or as part of a special allies rule. Unlikely, but possible
@geneticwolfman
2 ай бұрын
@@2guys1cliplol my bet is it's just a token similar to bomb squigs, plasmacytes, and ammo runts. Probably does something once per battle
@snorri8110
2 ай бұрын
@@jacket2848 yeah I’d be surprised if they do that. Those GK would be better than the Grey knights in the actual GK chapter. 😅 They aren’t bad, but GK get better with their index rules available though.
@lillithara5120
2 ай бұрын
My favorite line from the post is, "Those with full Deathwatch Space Marine armies needn’t worry - they can add the Deathwatch-specific units to a Space Marine army of black-clad units like Intercessors and Terminators, melding the strong foundations and Detachments of Codex: Space Marine." If i wanted to play codex space marines i would play codex space marines. Way to give Deathwatch players a big middle finger GW.
@Dom-ei8uf
2 ай бұрын
They never should have been a full army anyway.
@lillithara5120
2 ай бұрын
@@Dom-ei8uf ok then either should Sisters or Grey Knights. They are under the banner of the Inquisition also.
@ishitrealbad3039
2 ай бұрын
as someone who just likes Chaos mostly, the imperial agents faction sounds like a lot of fun due to variety.
@teejay1646
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I actually really like it. Reminds me of how daemon allies work
@ishitrealbad3039
2 ай бұрын
@@teejay1646 exactly
@danielbalatoni3622
2 ай бұрын
I would love god specific codices, I know a lot of people would be upset, but it would be something new and daring.
@ishitrealbad3039
2 ай бұрын
@@danielbalatoni3622 yeah, sounds like something they should do in the future. splitting up the chaos daemons codex or something.
@AlexAlex-zt3hi
2 ай бұрын
Old Coteaz is FAR BETTER than that thing trying to resemble him!
@RevanR
2 ай бұрын
Rip Deathwatch The Bad news : Deathwatch isn't it own factions, but subfaction to inquisition. The Good news : Time to scour ebay/online store for cheap second hand deathwatch space marines. Copius take : - wait until deathwatch detachment preview for further how they can deployed as full Deathwatch army - there's possibility that Deathwatch -veterinary- veterans rebox with full 10 and/or new upgrade - Imperial knights now can use this as to plug in hole about their lack of infantry unit to secure objective
@JonahShrike
2 ай бұрын
Aye, but sad fact this was coming, GW dont care unless it has a tourney presence these days
@oodlesofnoodles4660
2 ай бұрын
Hasn't the lore of Deathwatch always been more of a small elite group of hunters hunting a very specific target rather than a full battlefield in-the-trenches type of army? I feel that being the elite strike units supporting Inquisitors is exactly where they belong.
@RevanR
2 ай бұрын
@@oodlesofnoodles4660 yeah that's the real Deathwatch lore and gameplay, they as an army didn't do well but as a kill team they are quite a beast
@guillercuastico
2 ай бұрын
You gotta look at the bigger picture. Half the 40k factions are space marines or similar. They were the biggest candidates to go away. It was the right move by GW, even if they are the coolest loyalist marines. I hope they get a new killteam models though. And veeeerry fluffy rules with lots of options of wargear abilities, weapons and more.
@madness9651
2 ай бұрын
@@oodlesofnoodles4660 The Deathwatch is pretty much only formed as an asset of the Ordo Xenos. I don't really get the fuss here, because I don't see why an Ordo Xenos army should look different from a Deathwatch army. Deathwatch, historically always existed so you can play Inquisition without buying Grey Knight or Battle Sisters, which were very expensive back in the day. The existence of Deathwatch standalone in turn is due to a lack of updates on the Imperial Agents.
@piotriniodel5249
2 ай бұрын
The question is, can Joakero be my warlord? 🙉
@Silverdragon83X
2 ай бұрын
he always was and will be, no matter if you could choose him ruleswise!
@piotriniodel5249
2 ай бұрын
@@Silverdragon83X Inquisitor Harambe ready for purging
@crash-testproductions9341
2 ай бұрын
Because yes, a religious order whose whole leitmotiv is purge the xenos, the mutant, and the heretic, have no problem with hiring a sentient monkey to repair their stuff.
@eddiegalvan6284
2 ай бұрын
Monke
@DominatorLegend
2 ай бұрын
Orangutanicus
@JimH.
2 ай бұрын
This is one of the many things I don't understand about GW: their release schedule/priorities. While I'm sure there are many people who are interested in this faction, it's not like it was at the top of the list for things that should be prioritized. Blood Angels, Death Guard, even the new Emperor's Children codex all seem like they would be much more popular and sell a lot more models. AotI just seems extremely niche for a summer release.
@drunkenastarte5243
2 ай бұрын
Makes perfect sense honestly... Age of Shitmar 4th edition gobbled up all the plastic for the entire Summer release window, so 40k got 3 throw away releases of one-and-done model releases. Fall will bring forth the BA's, with rumors of new Sanguinor, new Lemartes, new Astorath, new Sanguinary Guard (but no angel wings!!🤬🤬🤬), plus new BA upgrade kit. End of year/1st quarter 2025 will almost certainly be the slot for Imperial Guard. Plus we still have a huge wave of models for Eldar & heavily assumed Votann 2nd wave The only really huge question/unknown is what's happening with Chaos? According to the most reliable 95% accurate rumors, the Daemons codex is being squashed, and all the daemon units will be folded into their respecitve God-aligned Legion codices... now with how lazy GW tend to be, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine they'll drag things out and wait until the launch of Emp's Children at the very end of 10th to begin the whole conversion process?! (...and if they do, would then possibly mean the DG/WE/1kSons get "new updated" indices for 11th and get to enjoy waiting another 4-6 months at minimum for an actual book release that will likely include 0 new models, because... "you got daemons!lolz!!1!")
@emdeo
2 ай бұрын
lol poor Coteaz became a Stormcast. GW really got confused about which setting they were sculpting for and compensated with extra large purity seals
@Gigasius
2 ай бұрын
Nah, Stormcast look much better.
@Hahaha-yt2id
2 ай бұрын
The 40k sculpts have been awful & low effort as of late all the other games are producing fantastic minis but 40k are just so bland
@captainflapjax7240
2 ай бұрын
That old 3rd edition art brings back memories though
@Fortunes.Fool.
2 ай бұрын
My first GW army back in 3rd ❤
@I_Want_Peace_World_Peace
2 ай бұрын
No new Crusaders, generic Inquisitor, Death cult assassins or Inquisitorial Stormtroopers? Just stormcast Coteaz and some grey knight sculpts you're going to get rid of in 1-2 years? I wish they'd give the Inquisition the attention it deserves, an incredible amount of flavour has been lost from the faction from 7th-10th edition.
@turbobeast6490
2 ай бұрын
As a grey knights player I'm so relieved we aren't getting taken out to pasture, and I am slightly tempted to get the ordo malleus box just to add a bit of variety since our codex isn't releasing for 6+ months
@KRZMETAL
2 ай бұрын
I thought about it too but I don’t trust GW. Gray Knights are waiting for a refresh, and the codex could be the time.
@ElGrompho666
2 ай бұрын
On the one hand, it's cool that you might now see some of those rarely seen models who were kind of in a weird place ruleswise more often on the table, depending on the detachment rules of course. On the other hand, those boxsets really feel like someone at GW said: "Let's pack all those sprues that are gathering dust in the warehouse into one big box (ok, three), make it an army and let the FOMO be strong." It's also one of those armies I'd very be reluctant to collect because it kinda feels like one of those weird subfactions that might get scrapped or really watered down again in the next edition. Looking at you, Harlequins and Ynnari. Also, the choice of making the eagle for Corteaz a seperate miniatur reeeeeeeeally feels like they mostly did it so you'll have to buy the new mini. Luckily though, kitbashing is a thing.
@jeremiegartner464
2 ай бұрын
so sisters can get grey knight terminators, imperial knights can have deathwatch and custodes get sisters? haha
@davidgantenbein9362
2 ай бұрын
Is there a specific value for Custodes in adding a single Battle Sisters unit to the army? It seems to me that there are cheaper screens/objective units among allies and Battle Sisters without Sisters other rules don’t really seem to bring the punch to Custodes. But I‘m not an expert and maybe there is some strength I don’t see. Terminators for Sisters seems to be the biggest here imo as that’s truly different, but not sure how pricey they are for losing GK army rule. Will IK really benefit from these more elite options? It seems like IK usually use agents to fill out the cheap functions and would probably prefer to requisite from the Astra militarum or the Mechanicus, while doing the elite work themselves.
@Highland_Ronin
2 ай бұрын
My Deathwatch army has been 'illegal' for a while now as it's almost entirely proteus kill teams all tailored to specific roles on the battlefield; elite hunters, snipers, objective campers, etc. The 10th ed restriction of special weapons to what's in the box, combi-weapons becoming generic guns rather than being specialised tools, and points being per '5 men' not per model completely screwed up my army. (Seriously, each of my teams had at least one terminator in it. why do I need to pay for 10 men when I only have 6?!). This has just pissed me off all over again. If I'm reading the article right, I wont be able to field my Terminator armour heroes in an Inquisitorial Agents detachment or most of my army in a Codex Space Marines detachment. So I'm screwed either way... I hope I'm wrong and GW will release and article saying 's'all good', but as we all know, "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
@JonahShrike
2 ай бұрын
Yea it sounds like just run a bunch of generic marines painted black, but you can bring ONE KT, so its DW right? Right?
@thebarbarianninja4152
2 ай бұрын
If I am reading this right you can run one of the agents of the imperium detachment rules and you wont have limitations, so I guess you can field full deathwatch under that.
@Highland_Ronin
2 ай бұрын
@@thebarbarianninja4152 But from the article on WarCom, it only mentions Veterans, the Blackstar, Captain Artemis and the Watch Master being in the Agents book. Can I use my Terminator Captain or Terminator Librarian? What if I want to use my jump pack captain leading my Vanguard Veterans, can I use them in my Imperial Agents detachment? There are too many unknowns but I am living in fear my army will be essentially gone.
@Highland_Ronin
2 ай бұрын
@@JonahShrike That's exactly how it sounds and I will not be happy if it turns on to be the case. This is what drives people into the arms of the Dark Gods, Games Workshop!
@madness9651
2 ай бұрын
@@Highland_Ronin I think you will because otherwise it makes no sense to have three different sub-detachments of Inquisition. Deathwatch is the military arm of the Ordo Xenos, so that's what the army would revolve around. Grey Knights also aren't in this book and will get their own, it is likely Codex: Space Marines is similarly needed to play the faction in full capacity.
@sonicwingnut
2 ай бұрын
So I started collecting random Imperial Weirdos wherever I could find them and now I have Ashes of Faith, Agents Boarding Patrol, Exaction Squad, and Blackstone fortress as well as a bunch of Inquisitors (sadly not the old Coteaz sculpt) so I'm pretty pleased about this.
@eeko01
2 ай бұрын
How I read the footnote in the article is that Rhinos and Immolators are restricted to only the **Ordo Hereticus** Battle Sisters and not available via requisition to other armies as such. The army rule states that **Agents of the Imperium** dedicated transports are available without taking an ally slot - indicating units that have datasheets within the codex (such as Corvus Blackstar). How I read it seems to also imply that the Ordo specific detachments have expanded requisition. My guess is that the Ordo Xenos detachment could more or less substitute the Black Spear Task Force and allow most other Space Marine models to be wielded.
@snowconesyrup2698
2 ай бұрын
Well my fellow members of the watch it was fun while it lasted
@JonahShrike
2 ай бұрын
Was an honour to stand vigil with you
@jonniezodiac
2 ай бұрын
I hope the specialist deathwatch box of named characters doesn't go
@karomiooo
2 ай бұрын
The emperor protects brother
@trentathawat6714
2 ай бұрын
@@jonniezodiac It's been webstore exclusive only for over a year. Odds are it's going to Legends. :'(
@The_Blackshield
2 ай бұрын
The Shield has been slaine. :(
@JohnathanCronnelly
2 ай бұрын
Feels like there was no reveal show because this was a bit disappointing a release. Thanks to the leaks we've known this was coming, but its basically a new army and only getting 1 resculpted model? No new Deathwatch models? or even detachment? No Crusaders or Deathcult Assassins? Even the 3 battleforce boxes have old sculpts and a lot of repeated kits. Feels like they could have done a LOT more with this to make it more interesting.
@TheCrmerry
2 ай бұрын
Well, I guess we shouldn't expect Immolators back in stock anytime soon unless we want to buy a whole box.
@OniGanon
2 ай бұрын
You could make the most ghetto conversion by slapping two heavy flamers on a Rhino turret (where the HK missile is supposed to go), swapping the Stormbolter for a Heavy Bolter, and adding various decorative bits.
@jimmysmith2249
2 ай бұрын
@OniGanon Use the razorback turret, load in heavy flamers instead of the lascanons.
@timhorsburgh2193
2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I’ve always thought that Death Watch (and Grey Knights) should have remained single squads you ally in, rather than entire factions.
@tiedyediscoguy4450
2 ай бұрын
When GW says don't worry you should worry
@kaon8460
2 ай бұрын
Glad that daemonhunter artwork is getting some more publicity. Easily the best 40k art piece of all time
@gyulajakab5852
2 ай бұрын
What I'm most looking forward to is seeing the new best thing that will ally into every imperium army until the first balance pass is done a couple of months after release.
@Darkshadow64540
2 ай бұрын
Imperial knights now gets a space marine division.
@Xynth25
2 ай бұрын
Just going off the rumors Deathwatch is like 4 datasheets total in the book. Is what it is.
@JonahShrike
2 ай бұрын
If thats true they just put us in legends and be done with it, theyve made it quite clear "not played at tournaments therefore we dont care" with DW
@Xynth25
2 ай бұрын
@@JonahShrike The kill teams probably will be Legends, but all of the individual models are still perfectly usable in Space Marines. Sometimes the best answer to being bad at balancing something is to scrap it and start over, crappy as that is for people playing that thing.
@Swampert919
2 ай бұрын
@@JonahShrike really depends on what those 4 datasheets are, it could be possible that the various kill teams are just rolled into one datasheet that you can mix and match… in which case while not perfect it would let them be playable as their own thing when partnered with codex space marines (or the ordo xenos detachment depending on what that does).
@aaabbb-zc7sx
2 ай бұрын
well,time for the good old "hey guys,these is my homebrew chapter i call this,death watchers" strategy.good luck convincing everyone that space marines aren't space marines gw
@teejay1646
2 ай бұрын
Have y'all ever looked at a deathwatch data sheet? There's more text in the weapon profiles alone than a modern Yu-Gi-Oh card. You'll be fine. I don't understand why y'all are upset about belonging to a much bigger, more dynamic army now
@RowdiesFan1
2 ай бұрын
I'm soooooo ready to see the Imperial Navy detachment rules in full. But this is all very exciting for my Boarding Actions Agents army in general.
@monkeyhammer
2 ай бұрын
I do like the idea of being able to add a small amount of marines (gk or dw) to guard to make them seem super elite in comparison
@thehursk1935
2 ай бұрын
all old sculpts and finecast and could end up with 4 set of kt inqs, the new single model are very very cool, i just hope they kept kt cassus
@Hairy_Phils_Lament
2 ай бұрын
I love the arbites in kill team. The ability to arrest one of your opponents models is hilarious. If they add in the ability for the arbites to arrest Ahriman or Cato Sicarious it’s an auto buy for me.
@supershot9729
2 ай бұрын
Rip deathwatch
@niccolo6865
2 ай бұрын
They basically said "you have a 2k points list of DW? AH get fucked and buy normal marines"
@olabolob
2 ай бұрын
Already was that, basically
@BloodyArchangelus
2 ай бұрын
While we had kroot army because reasons. Yes KROOT ARMY. when it is more niche than f8cking Inquisition and Deathwatch.
@JonahShrike
2 ай бұрын
No one played DW at tourneys, GW only care about tourneys
@neverendingribbon
2 ай бұрын
Definitely feels that way for most space marine armies.
@Thiccron
2 ай бұрын
That definitely sucks I’m lucky because i just have a couple squads of kitbashed primaris DW veterans which I’m happy to bring along with my other imperials
@BucketPls
2 ай бұрын
I was kind of hoping when I saw the book title at first that it would allow us to truly make any mix we wanted within the Imperial set of factions. Like Guardsmen with Sisters with Grey Knights with Imperial Knight with a Inquisitor or some ungodly combo like that. Seems like such a fun idea to get combos like that boarded and to get people playing the game by just buying a bunch of their favourite Imperial models instead of more faction specific choices, but I bet I am not seeing any problems such ideas could cause on the rules currently in place and all.
@michaelscaplis
2 ай бұрын
Perhaps Eisenhorn will be part of the Imperial Agents CP seeing as we have the other inquisitors in the Battle Force boxes.
@saintmichaels418
2 ай бұрын
Auspex starts talking about the Alpha Legion and then suddenly the Inquisition appears in full force. Coincidence? I think not!
@aaabbb-zc7sx
2 ай бұрын
this is a lie.i would know,because i am alpharius
@AncientIrishCelt
2 ай бұрын
Inquisitor Codpiece!
@aidan-h3p
2 ай бұрын
tis indeed a beautiful codpiece. We need more of them in 40k.
@viktorhermansson2284
2 ай бұрын
Would be fun if they ever made a rogue trader inspired set, probaly better as a killteam, so minis for abelard, cassia, Yrlet and the squad. Also be fun to have rules reflecting the Lord captian aswell do that might be more unrealistic
@Thiccron
2 ай бұрын
What were they thinking when they designed Thicc Coteaz?! 😂
@Silverdragon83X
2 ай бұрын
It's a bit strange, that Deathwatch is now included in this codex, but you can't field a full army of them, as it seems. But I like the new concept, the three Ordos are back, but based on Inquisitors with their entourage and additional Space Marines or Sororitas for the special tasks!
@madness9651
2 ай бұрын
But what would an Ordo Xenos army even have besides Deathwatch marines?
@Silverdragon83X
2 ай бұрын
@@madness9651 Deathwatch Marines and Inquisitors with Entourage... I only meant, that Deathwatch was a playable army for the last few editions and now they are only support for Inquisitorial armies, while Grey Knights and Adeptus Sororitas still are full armies on their own. I like it ruleswise, because it's not another Space Marine Chapter with little changes, but still feels weird for me!
@ryanearley8748
2 ай бұрын
Copium: a new Death Watch kit for Kill Team (the game) would be a logical release that could backdoor update the DW veterans kit down the road. And it would make sense if DW got to shine in Boarding Actions.
@Swampert919
2 ай бұрын
The fact that they haven’t brought out a deathwatch kill team for kill team is honestly a crime, seems like such an obvious thing to do
@DeusBlackheart
2 ай бұрын
Huff harder.
@jonathancamp7292
2 ай бұрын
This sucks. As a deathwatch player for years, I've basically got over 3k points of useless primaris killteams. No primaris Watch Master and a captain that no one wanted to take anyway.
@verigone2677
2 ай бұрын
I actually like the Idea of Ordo Xenos detachment for Deathwatch to work from, should be more competitive to make big Proteus Kill teams but have access to many cheaper units for chaff and point holding instead of having to pay for full priced space marines.
@robbynito
2 ай бұрын
I'm sure somebody else said it already but he's literally just a Stormcast
@aidan-h3p
2 ай бұрын
and thats a bad thing?
@robbynito
2 ай бұрын
@user-ck6qb1qz9g I don't think it's a bad thing, but I do wish there was a bit more to distinguish it, y'know? Nothing against the sculptor but I feel like it's a little too Stormcast-y, like if the big I was not present I don't think you could distinguish it, Inquisitiors to me at least draw a good line between fantasy and grimdark future, Greyfax is a great example of this It's a fine sculpt but I personally feel like it doesn't fit
@aidan-h3p
2 ай бұрын
@@robbynito He is unique among the 40k range, and that's all that matters to me. Better he look like a stormcast than a space marine. I can appreciate wanting something entirely original, tho. Have a wonderful day.
@robbynito
2 ай бұрын
@user-ck6qb1qz9g You have a good day too! And I'm glad you enjoy the new model
@chetmanley1885
2 ай бұрын
He's not a stormcast. Stormcast have good sculpts.
@thefloridaman41
2 ай бұрын
If I can build an Arbites army I might give this a shot but I have to see how this “army” even functions. Pour one out for the Deathwatch fans.
@Deesar_
2 ай бұрын
For me someone like me, I actually love the idea of this book. I have so many marines that the idea of committing to a full deathwatch/grey knights army is a non starter. So being able to take squads is huge and make sense lorewise. Finally a way for me to run an awesome model like castellan crowe. Also I love the idea of running a whole detachment of various weirdos and freaks from all the kill team boxes as a cohesive army. Outside of the coteaz downgrade (I dont think it's a terrible model. just a downgrade.), this all seems like a huge win for imperium players.
@joegroves2517
2 ай бұрын
Would it be bad if they treated Deathwatch like another chapter, so it wouldn't be an ally but if you have them you can't have any other chapter specific characters? That's what I kind of thought they meant.
@zaganim3813
2 ай бұрын
that what the index does
@jmixer08
2 ай бұрын
I was at the Tacoma Open, I believe the reason why they didn’t do a reveal because they didn’t have an auditorium to show everyone. They only had a signal floor for the tournament. The floor below at the convention center was taken for some type of talent show or cheerleading competition.
@stephenball-qo7ug
2 ай бұрын
3 knight lancer, 10 man term block. = 1700pts loving the 4+ invul.
@benjaminfrancis8274
2 ай бұрын
As a deathwatch player, this honestly hurts. 😅
@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber
2 ай бұрын
Is it still worth me trying to become the Deathwatch guy?
@DisasterLord
2 ай бұрын
Never give up on the quest to exterminate the xenos I just hope this "focus" on the inquisition leads to more deathwatch stories
@alexlerouge1170
2 ай бұрын
How about an ordo Xenos guy? Deathwatch is looking sad.
@Lirretobb
2 ай бұрын
Well you complained about the difference in points costs between some equivalent units in SM and in DW... now there won't be any points disparity! 😅
@Kaadri
2 ай бұрын
Be the Ordo Xenos guy!
@teejay1646
2 ай бұрын
@@alexlerouge1170I don't understand why people are sad about belonging to an army with more options
@hellsong23
2 ай бұрын
So, an actual Deathwatch army has been relegated to the usual Space Marine detachments and you can add some from the Agents Codex with some different rules?
@MasterofMistakes
2 ай бұрын
Deathwatch player here, I'm still NERVOUS!, I dont care if we get a Mini-Faction Book let me keep my Proteus Boys!
@markhohenbrink5230
2 ай бұрын
I feel kind of bad for the sculptor for Coteaz. They probably put a lot of time in this sculpt and liked it, only for it to be completely dunked on. That must be soul crushing.
@alexknudsen2759
2 ай бұрын
It’s so bad though
@BloodyArchangelus
2 ай бұрын
Do your work properly. Look on new sister mini. NOBODY. NOBODY SAID Anything bad about her. Just do your job and people would love you.
@markhohenbrink5230
2 ай бұрын
@@alexknudsen2759 I agree, but some poor sap really thought this model looked good. Imagine if you did something that you were proud of only for it to actually suck. It doesn't feel good.
@alexknudsen2759
2 ай бұрын
@@markhohenbrink5230 I paint minis for fun man, that’s my life haha
@Fortunes.Fool.
2 ай бұрын
There must’ve been a time crunch, that looks like an hour of effort so I don’t feel very bad. Everyone can just a Stormcast or one of the awesome AoS witch hunter sculpts.
@jaegerbomb269
2 ай бұрын
Deathwatch got done dirty.
@jimmysmith2249
2 ай бұрын
Nah, they just went back to being what they are in the lore: small teams of specialists sent to do a mission. Get in, do crimes, get out (maybe). An army of spec ops is a waste of spec ops.
@karomiooo
2 ай бұрын
@@jimmysmith2249no1 yapper right here
@KC-kl6qc
2 ай бұрын
@@karomiooo He ain't wrong though, plus Deathwatch is one of the least played armies in the game right now. Why should GW support an army that only 3 people play?
@benlewis2130
2 ай бұрын
@KC-kl6qc because they created an army which consumers buy and play, don't need a full codex but some support would be useful
@benlewis2130
2 ай бұрын
@@jimmysmith2249that's just bullshit though, a 2k game isn't a planet spanning battle for gods sake it's an isolated battle with a reinforced detachment of space marines so that logic is bogus. By that logic and scale gaurd should have tens of thousands of troops on the board
@nightingale4632
2 ай бұрын
I always thought, Inquisition should be a codex with three detachements, Xenos with Deathwatch, Hereticus with Sisters, and Malleus with Grey Knights.
@theStamax
2 ай бұрын
Being able to ally them into any imperium army really kills any hype i may have had for this. Just means everything has to be balanced around other factions abusing their best units and therefor everything will have to be balanced around that fact, meaning the unique army components will 100% suffer because of this.
@MarlboroFed
2 ай бұрын
that's the thing that bothers me the most about this whole decision, I would be hyped that my first army (DW) got some decent rules and some flavor but none of their units are gonna be worth while because now they all have to be balanced around other Imperium armies.
@theStamax
2 ай бұрын
@@MarlboroFed Yeah :/. GW hasn't really done allying right this edition at all (and frankly without adjusting point costs for allying, I'm not sure they really can. It's fundamentally a broken system). Glimmer of hope is of course that there'll be strong enough rules support (army rule, detachment rules, etc.) for the units so they'll have to be expensive compared to their raw datasheets, in which case allying them in will be more niche.
@AncientIrishCelt
2 ай бұрын
Auspex obviously on the good space coke getting this out before 6pm.
@d-rex7043
2 ай бұрын
You mean 'Stims'
@thebreadbaron2027
2 ай бұрын
Insane how agents get a codex but not Harlequins.
@D4RK_FL4M3
2 ай бұрын
Well to be fair the inquisition is alot more relevant in lore when compared to harlequins.
@Bitt3rSteel
2 ай бұрын
As a Guard player, this has me EXCITED
@DeusBlackheart
2 ай бұрын
Why? Genuine question. What about this has actually changed for you? You could still ally in Agents before, or are you happy that another army was gutted so you could take Space Marines in your guard army?
@Bitt3rSteel
2 ай бұрын
@@DeusBlackheart As an enjoyer of tiny human models in service to the Emperor, I rejoice in being able to paint and field more of them. I've always pictured my army is an inquisitorial warband, a mix of unlikely allies. Now I can actually make it happen
@Benjgj
2 ай бұрын
The battle forces look good, I feel sorry for the Ordo Malleus because the new Coteaz is bringing its cost up and value down....Ordo Heretics box set I think will be the winner overall
@icklemoo
2 ай бұрын
be good if GW did a buy back scheme for dead armies , so at least people can update into something current and get a discount ... but its GW right :) keep spending spending
@isaacgraff8288
2 ай бұрын
I love the assassins, but nothing about the imperial agents really interests me.
@dylanhartmann351
2 ай бұрын
Coteaz looks like Golden Freddy without his mask
@Mediocre_Chairman
2 ай бұрын
It never made sense for Death Watch to be its own proper army. But it sucks that they made it that way and then took it away.
@hannahgeraghty4201
2 ай бұрын
We 3rd edition now, boiiiis
@LysimedVenteel
2 ай бұрын
The issue is, I don’t see how you could field a substantial Inquisitorial army that actually works. At maximum, you can have two squads of henchmen without repetition - unless you’re good at converting - and they haven’t been made a generic inquisitor, let alone inquisitorial stormtroopers or any generic choices for the standard rank-and-file. Without substantial release, it’ll feel like a patchwork army.
@stripeybag6977
2 ай бұрын
You know I'm not saying I saw this coming but I find it funny how in a campaign I do whenever I'd roll up what type of force the Space Marine inspired group sent out I'd always ignore Deathwatch.
@TheLongVigil
2 ай бұрын
Well, Rip. My army is now dead. I can't field a full 2k army of deathwatch anymore. At most I run standard space marines and I get the privilege of using 2 kill teams, and 2 characters as allies. Thanks GW for fucking over me, and every other Deathwatch collector. Yeah I can paint everything up to look like Deathwatch but the reason I played them was to have unique armies of killteams, unique strats and fluffy rules. If I wanted to play another space marine detachment, I would have been...
@Typhosion
2 ай бұрын
That really sucks. Deathwatch is my first army and looked like I won't be able to do a deathwatch only army now. Well looks like they'll be collecting dust on my shelf once I get them painted
@arthurbrugge2457
2 ай бұрын
Soo... Deathwatch is squashed, and the "new" faction is cobbled together from already existing assets. And yet I'm guessing prices will be higher than ever😂😂
@JonahShrike
2 ай бұрын
Hate to say it fellow DW but it seems the writing is on the wall for us, demoted to a couple of datasheets by the sounds of it, dont be suprised if we arent even in 11th... This may very well be the codex that makes me finally quit 40k altogether, the only army ive found cool reduced to this
@CastironWhisky
2 ай бұрын
Well I have a 1k DW army that I'm almost finished painting... if my Intercessors and Aggressors aren't legal anymore for DW that would be hilarious to me but we will see... worse comes to worse I'll just keep playing with the index rules since I don't play tournaments.
@NogrimStoneson
2 ай бұрын
wow with that many special characters im sure its very well balanced and isnt going to jack up balance with every single imperium army all at once....
@TheFanaticsPlay
2 ай бұрын
So... deathwatch doesnt exist as a space marine sub faction anymore? Like i cant just use the index rules as they were?
@Duppyman695
2 ай бұрын
No! 1 character and 1 squad in a 1000point army or 2 characters and 2 squads in a 2000point army!
@TheFanaticsPlay
2 ай бұрын
2 squads of what. Like my current deathwatch army is 3 marine captains 30 vets 3 x10 terminator kill teams Corvus blackstar. and whatever im feeling with the rest of the points. So this is no longer a legal army?
@Duppyman695
2 ай бұрын
@@TheFanaticsPlay no! and it sucks... 2 characters and 2 squads of any DW!
@TheFanaticsPlay
2 ай бұрын
@@Duppyman695 So... my kill team terminators are basically worthless now?
@Duppyman695
2 ай бұрын
@@TheFanaticsPlay If you don't play at tournaments just use them, it depends how you play ... Underground 40K or Commercial 40K.
@OptimusMonk01
2 ай бұрын
LOL at squat inquisitor
@elijahherstal776
2 ай бұрын
That Coteaz miniature is posed like he's some dad and someone changed the thermostat
@Meuduso1
2 ай бұрын
Man I really hoped that the Imperial Agents codex would let us make fully mixed Imperial armies, like 2000 points of Marines, AirCav Scions and a Knight or something
@zaganim3813
2 ай бұрын
you mean like 8th edition? :)
@Meuduso1
2 ай бұрын
@@zaganim3813 I've heard about some past shenanigans before I joined in 9th so I'm not sure if you're referring to that but maybe? Even in 9th you could put together a certain amount of allied troops. Of course it wasn't effective in 9th but still
@mickwinters3509
2 ай бұрын
As a Deathwatch general, I’m cautiously optimistic. The Primaris kill teams weren’t all that usable in 9th and 10th anyway. If souping in 20 veterans and a Watch Master into other Imperium armies is the best we get, that’s going to open up some interesting options. Definitely planing on picking up the Ordo Hereticus box to continue to build out Sisters army and add a second unit of Arbites to the collection
@aaabbb-zc7sx
2 ай бұрын
did these clowns seriously get rid of the dw combat patrol and shoved them into the ia codex ? not even the space marine codex ? the f*cking ia ?
@Duppyman695
2 ай бұрын
CLOWNS is right! although I would probably use other words but ..... really, really bad words!
@tyjames3339
2 ай бұрын
damn BIG L from GW. -The new inquisitor looks ridiculous, its a straight downgrade from the old one and how it even made it past the design stage baffles me. Even the eagle looks dumb with how its posed on the tactical rock. -They just gave a massive middle finger to DW players, because apparently if they don't get played at tournaments they don't need rules. "You can add deathwatch units to an army of black armored space marines," If they wanted to play codex space marines then they would play codex space marines, they're playing Deathwatch for a reason. Tbh I never thought that Deathwatch needed to be its own army, I always thought it could just be a space marine detachment like all the other chapters, but to give them a full army then take it away is fucked. -All three of those battleforce boxes are awful, and they'll likely cost a little bit more than they have in the past too. Like seriously, all 3 of them just SCREAM excess stock. "nobody bought enough of these kits, so lets cram as many as we can into a discount box, because these idiots will buy anything as long as its slightly marked down." Straight up just don't buy these, and if you REALLY want one, just wait a few months and you'll find one for dirt cheap because there's no world in which these sell as well as GW apparently expects them too.
@Torchbuscus
2 ай бұрын
For the combat patrol, I found one on the 40k app. 1x Rogue Trader Entourage 1x 10-model Voidsmen-at-Arms 2x 10-model Imperial Navy Breachers
@d-rex7043
2 ай бұрын
That's a White Dwarf combat patrol
@daroth7127
2 ай бұрын
deathwatch got the harlequin treatment
@RagingHorn7795
2 ай бұрын
I'm gutted about deathwatch, mildly excited about the Malleus set as a consolation prize I guess and might be a start for me with Grey Knights.
@thebarbarianninja4152
2 ай бұрын
Since deathwatch units are on the codex, and it says you can field as many agents of the imperium units as you want with their detachments, I believe you are likely able to field a full deathwatch list under the agents of the imperium detachment. But I guess we would need to wait and see if thats possible when the codex drops or more is informed.
@DeusBlackheart
2 ай бұрын
@@thebarbarianninja4152 It will be Deathwatch "flavoured". Essentially it will be Space Marines with some vets thrown in. It's completely crap as the existing rules allowed you to do that anyway, so making it out as a special deal means they intended to gut the faction. I predict that "Deathwatch" will get 4 datasheets total: DW Vets, Watch-Captain, Captain Artemis, and the Corvus Blackstar. I fully expect for them to at best send all other sheets they have to legends, and at worst, entirely remove any support for them.
@chetmanley1885
2 ай бұрын
I wouldn't start Grey Knights until you've seen the full rules
@majorchaos8105
2 ай бұрын
Coteaz looks like a Stormcast. Even the head looks like a younger Space Marine.
@Ruggedtoaster
2 ай бұрын
They really missed out on having the eagle clawing at a heretic, so some kind of banner to set it on top
@Laz2074
2 ай бұрын
I'm so hyped for this, ever since the boarding patrol came out for Agents I've been in love with the faction
@powrongster
2 ай бұрын
still waiting for an actual deathwatch kill team in KILL TEAM
@supershot9729
2 ай бұрын
Coteaz’s bird really should’ve just been resting on the debris looks weird as hell flying into it
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