Still think Kindle is Tier 2.5. Too good against Lash, Rachel, etc. Not good enough against Max, Olaf, and Eagle. Don't like the nerf to Drake but otherwise a W all around
@zekenotech
Ай бұрын
Me, who has always played Kindle in Tier 2: "They called me a Madman..."
@odilazulixl5351
Ай бұрын
The cruiser buff to the DS version is getting closer by the day
@SteamWolf320
Ай бұрын
One can certainly hope...
@bvd_vlvd
29 күн бұрын
That would be perfect. 95% damage subs have on everything is so cruel!!
@LashBlackHole
Ай бұрын
Tee hee hee! I'm the queen of tier 3 now!
@thunderrex59
Ай бұрын
Grats
@Squiggles01
Ай бұрын
You're getting your time in the sun! I'm happy for you!
@SSJRanulf
Ай бұрын
I and the rest of your army of simps are happy ❤
@bruhchannel1216
Ай бұрын
15% extra firepower on porperties (and 20% on HQ) ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉 ❤
@semajniomet981
29 күн бұрын
@@bruhchannel1216 I believe that AWBW uses the Black Hole Rising bonuses for Lash, so that'd be 30% and 40%.
@kevinmullermendoza8897
Ай бұрын
Mangs, I need more awbw replay comentary videos, I watched every single one of them at least twice, please.
@lpsp442
29 күн бұрын
Simultaneously love and hate this. Love, because thank goodness the team are willing to make changes and shake up the stale metagame. Kindle and Rachel also both really needed these changes. Hate, because Von Bolt and Drake are already struggling in their tier without further nerfs, and in general the principle of these changes is completely *the opposite* of what AWBW needs. The Wars World trilogy are a 20+ year old set of games and by now we've found countless natural balance oversights that the community can address. Fidelity to the cartridge is cargo-cultish at this stage. There is a missed opportunity to create multiple versions of COs - players can pick cartridge-accurate versions that they prefer (multiple even for older COs), as well as pick better balanced COs that compliment the online competitive scene.
@kanrakucheese
Ай бұрын
Now that the seal has been broken, maybe we’ll get DS!Jess and Clone Andy added to shake up Tier 2 (Tier 1 on no airport no port maps?) and Tier 4 (respectively). Maybe also a no CO/The Beast option so they can do a tier 5 with Sonja, Grimm, Jugger, Flak, and The Beast (because nobody will play them in tier 4 standard outside of gimmick alts anyways).
@LopsidedMoz
Ай бұрын
DS Jess is busted though
@WildMatsu
Ай бұрын
@@LopsidedMoz That problem can be solved by putting her into the appropriate tier. No big.
@lordbiscuitthetossable5352
29 күн бұрын
@@kanrakucheese I agree. Playing around with CO’s having an “alternative versions” designed for different tiers. I for two would love to see a DS Jess take the weights off.
@schachmatt1581
29 күн бұрын
Sonja would be completely busted in a tier 5. She's a walking Superpower in Standard - but you shouldn't underestimate her
@dewottgaming1507
Ай бұрын
the thing about drake in RBC: it's just an error in his CO Dossier, he actually has -30% air even though the dossier says it's -20%. the firepower screen does display it correctly and his fighters do 70% to a normal b-copter if you really want to test it. but RBC also mixed up hawke's power and super on his wallpaper. anyway I always felt that Kindle belongs more into tier 2 than tier 3
@theconqueror5113
Ай бұрын
They should probably add the alternate versions of each CO too while they are at it (AW1 max and AWDS Jess for example) might freshen up some tiers
@xelius2683
Ай бұрын
AW1 Max will be looking spicy in tier 0
@alex_zetsu
Ай бұрын
The less I see of AWDS or people trying to use DS stuff against me, the happier I am.
That's not at all what I read from the Rachel patch note. It says that the infantry missile now accounts for all units, with a modifier for infantry. So it targets the highest HP value, including, vehicles, with infantry HP counting double (or triple, no idea) in that calculation. Basically, if you've got a pack with 2 infantry and a pack with 1 infantry and 5 vehicles, it will go for the latter.
@Mangs1337
Ай бұрын
It goes both ways now. Rachel's own infantry also count double but in a negative way.
@ShawFujikawa
Ай бұрын
This is correct yeah. Previously Rachel's 1st missile would only consider footsoldiers; it would ignore a block of 13 Mega Tanks just to hit 1 Infantry because that's the only unit with any value. Now it will consider everything, just with extra weighting for footsoldiers, so it's a lot more likely to hit a high value cluster of units with the first missile now.
@robertide5182
Ай бұрын
@@Mangs1337right but you left out the stuff from the comment which is the much bigger change
@i_am_jarvistm7220
25 күн бұрын
It holds footsoldier HP as 4 times the value, this was explained in a video going over the changes, much like how Sturm's indirect Meteor holds indirects as twice their value.
@raderelcaroman1403
Ай бұрын
Small note, calling kindle tier 3.5 would mean she's too weak for t3 and too strong for t4
@cgyh68748
Ай бұрын
t2 is very map dependant, so I think Kindle will fit perfectly.
@Gold_the_Wyvolf
Ай бұрын
A technical buff for Lash? Sign me up. As someone who mains Lash and Grit, I’ll take any advantage I can get, even if that advantage is not having to fight Candy lol.
@vanadlehyde3600
Ай бұрын
seems like they're kneecapping drake on maps he already struggled with for not a good reason
@gigabyte2248
Ай бұрын
I got my wish 😁. Playing against Kindle in tier 3 was miserable and now she's finally where she belongs
@M30W3R
Ай бұрын
I hate the "cartridge parity" argument thrown around, because there are plenty of mechanics that are NOT present in any of the games. For instance, Cruisers should mirror the DS counter part and we still lack Sandstorm weather.
@ericquiabazza2608
27 күн бұрын
Exactly. If "authenticity" was what they wanted it would have been so since the VERY BEGINING. And WHY now? -People complain? -Traffic is down? -Staff has change thus someone diferent makes decisions now?
@M30W3R
27 күн бұрын
@@ericquiabazza2608 IMO the site admins and devs should be more open about the balancing process. Put it to a vote of at least the part of the community that has a high enough ELO ranking to matter, or give the option to play different versions of the same CO and test it over several games before completely changing the meta.
@i_am_jarvistm7220
25 күн бұрын
Hey, AWBW Discord member here who's had a word or two regarding this, it's actually because the devs don't get the opportunities to discuss these changes proper with the OWNER of AWBW all that often, and it's the owner that gets the last word. If there were more discussions between them more often, then we could potentially see more frequent changes like this, but that would involve unnecessary pressure on all sides.
@M30W3R
19 күн бұрын
@@i_am_jarvistm7220 That is so stupid. Even if the owner thinks the changes are necessary, not listening to the community will just make most of the active league players gravitate towards Tiny Wars or that other never ever project of Mangs's.
@i_am_jarvistm7220
19 күн бұрын
@@M30W3R ... Did you not read what I said thoroughly? I said it's the LOW FREQUENCY of their discussions, not matter of having them or not. People have lives outside of their jobs and online activities, you know.
@starempresshel1211
Ай бұрын
It's a win because Kindle/Candy got kicked into Tier 2 and now I don't need to see almost all my tier 3 matches being against her. So difficult to play against her.
@ethanm2926
Ай бұрын
I like that the gates are open for potential changes going forward. Even if it's small stuff and only every couple years I think it's good for the health of the game to shake things up a little. Excited to see where this ends up, in addition to Wars World, which i remember wanted to pursue a more balanced, less cartridge accurate version of the COs.
@inversepie6512
Ай бұрын
I think it's a bad change but mainly because, as Mangs said, it's towards dumb cart balancing rather than away. That awbw nerfed max is proof that the devs would have balanced the COs a bit better if they have more time and experience to do so.
@sebastianlucas704
Ай бұрын
How did AWBW nerf max? They stuck to his aw2 version.
@inversepie6512
Ай бұрын
@@sebastianlucas704 i meant aw2
@Yamihomu
Күн бұрын
@@sebastianlucas704 I believe what inversepie6512 meant was the IS devs nerfed max, and that AWBW chose this nerfed max and that if AW continued, IS would have had more balanced CO's.
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast
Ай бұрын
2:35 I think you meant to say Tier 2.5.
@likky1
15 күн бұрын
that sounds like a mangs issue, dude is pretty bad at math. (disclaimer he might not actually be bad at math i am just making a dumb joke)
@TheOtherWhiteNerd
Ай бұрын
I wish they would’ve chosen the better balanced version between AW2 and DS. Still, I appreciate the attempt at cartridge balance; it gives a consistent balance philosophy if nothing else.
@starhalv2427
Ай бұрын
Improvement on an idea for my custom ceo: Day-to-day: All transports get 50% discount, +20% defense, and +2 vision Motorised assault (4 stars): Infantry and mech units receive +20% firepower, and they can move and attack immediately after exiting transports Mechanised assault (8 stars): infantry and mechs receive +40% firepower, can move and attack immediately after exiting transports, and mechs receive +1 movement
@audiosurfarchive
24 күн бұрын
Your custom CEO? You on that Grid Of Death, Divine Link infused CEO Mindset? You have the soul of an emperor.
@Ephraim225
Ай бұрын
AWBW wasn't accurate to the cartridge games for that long? Woah
@slapbass9125
Ай бұрын
I'm still really interested in that idea you had to pit the AI from Reboot Camp against the AI in OG Advance War 1 & 2
@thebrazillianguytm2186
Ай бұрын
I cannot for life get the Drake Nerf, like, legit I cannot understand why would you nerf someone you buffed because he was that bad
@jerry3115
Ай бұрын
They're not going out of their way to nerf him, they're just making it more accurate to the actual game. These changes probably weren't originally intended as buffs, they were just silly inaccuracies that never got fixed. Also, the changes are pretty minimal anyway.
@epicgamerzfail4575
Ай бұрын
@@jerry3115right, but then why was the inconsistency there in the first place? If they wanted to go with cartridge accuracy, they wouldn't have changed the numbers around
@jerry3115
Ай бұрын
@@epicgamerzfail4575 the thing is they've never really cared that much about cart accuracy before now. They've known about these inconsistencies (and more) for a long time but chose not to take action for a number of reasons. After all, if awbw works fine as is, why shake things up?
@maudlife
Ай бұрын
@@jerry3115 But it goes against their design philosophy of making COs accurate to their originally seen version. That's why Sonja and Jess don't have their much better Dual Strike versions. This nerf is going from AW 1 Drake to AW 2 Drake. It's absolutely going out of their way to nerf him. And it's a big deal, at least the air unit nerf is.
@jerry3115
Ай бұрын
@@maudlife you misunderstand. Every CO except sturm is based off of their aw2 versions, not their awds versions. Awds is only used for the COs exclusive to that game. And besides, the old drake wasn't accurate to aw1 anyway because drake in that game gained terrain stars, not defense.
@kaio0777
27 күн бұрын
Mangs that picture with lash is wild dude lol.
@Valior-e9q
Ай бұрын
lash mains rise up !!!
@sigmaklim2532
Ай бұрын
I would love to see videos showcasing some of these changes in action with replays!!!
@Gatitasecsii
Ай бұрын
They should make a balanced league where all COs receive buffs and nerfs to make them all the same tier.
@sigurdtheblue
25 күн бұрын
I think that would require a lot of subjectivity. Then again, they could keep rebalancing.
@Gatitasecsii
25 күн бұрын
@@sigurdtheblue Yup, it doesn't have to be only on first revision, they will have to keep suspect testing and making usage statistics analyses
@IceMaverick13
17 күн бұрын
I think that making such a large cast all sit at the same tier would remove nearly all identity from them because it's just simply too tall of a task to find a perfect, equivalent balance across so many different abilities. I think with a cast this large, your best attempts at trying to equalize all of them is still going to have peaks and valleys unless we're trying to just scrap the uniqueness entirely in favor of like flat bonuses and very bland, generic COPs and SCOPs. I think you'll likely only ever be able to crush the list down to like 3 tiers at best if you're still trying to maintain what makes each of them unique.
@Gatitasecsii
17 күн бұрын
@@IceMaverick13 Incorrect. It's all about fine tuning. Yeah I don't think they would all be perfectly balanced but they could be balanced enough to where skilled players can make any of them work. Like adding costs or drawbacks to certain powers, besides changing numbers around. There's no reason why Colin's power should be free, for example. Maybe it should cost defense for a turn. There's many ways it can be done, but saying "it's impossible" is not one of them
@dn2064
Ай бұрын
Goth GF buff 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@alex_zetsu
Ай бұрын
Lash gets 30% extra firepower on cities... and Kindle gets a better version of the city bonus as well as discouraging the other player from placing things on cities. Yeah no wonder Lash vs Kindle was such a brutal matchup. I was so confused when I found out Von Bolt's super stuns his own units instead of only damaging them. Then I remembered I never finished AWDS... and I remembered I never liked that game. About the only thing I liked that came out of it was seeing people play Grimm and Jake against the older COs.
@FlygonkingVGC
Ай бұрын
If I had a nickel for every time Nintendo made a character named Drake that was a sailor and debuted on the GBA I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
@quietone610
28 күн бұрын
LMGTFY: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake
@sigurdtheblue
25 күн бұрын
Drake means duck, idiot. Nintendo has tons of games.
@yofyo
Ай бұрын
that drake nerf is pretty drastic..
@oof5992
Ай бұрын
DRAKE BROS NO
@doggydog490
Ай бұрын
This video misses some points. Kindle is still hovering t3 for fog cause its harder to play aggressive due to vision. Drake losing that firepower on bombers now cant one shot andy neos on plains during super which is huge.
@SteamWolf320
Ай бұрын
Balance changes across the board will probably never happen on AWBW, but I’m hoping when Wars World comes out they’ll offer a good alternative meta for people to play with.
@bienhy5120
Ай бұрын
I wish they could copy tinyward / DoR system where most OG CO has 2 version of them (faithfull and balance for those needed)
@M30W3R
Ай бұрын
This
@DarkOrderSolDjango
Ай бұрын
@@bienhy5120 I wish they would just put all version of each characters. Imagine playing a tier 4 match with AW1 Olaf (can only make snow). Tier 0 would have AW1 Max even with just one power. Would be neat.
@jjsfifth
Ай бұрын
What is wars world?
@SteamWolf320
Ай бұрын
@@jjsfifth from what I've gathered Wars World is a new open source game similar to AWBW that is in development. Mangs has made a few videos about it if you want to check it out.
@Xahnel
29 күн бұрын
I certainly see a couple of buffs in the thumbnail.
@JoseMoreno-gu2bf
Ай бұрын
I think this is the first step towards a balance patch. We needed to get closer to the cartridge so when the balance changes come, it still look very similar to the original game.
@Bobby-ls4sk
Ай бұрын
It's nice to see that they decided to make changes, that means we could have more balancing in the future if it's needed
@PatchWorkExe
Ай бұрын
This video came at a wild time as in the current global league match I'm in I'm a Rachel verses a Lash.
@bloodtingeproto
29 күн бұрын
I'm pretty new to the competitive scene, just started taking matches on global league a few days ago. This announcement comes right after I started a GL T3 std match as Kindle vs. Drake. Guess this'll be the last match I can see those two in their original forms
@patrickvasconcelos3001
17 күн бұрын
Got baited wiht HUGE Lash milkies :3 but stay cuz she does receive some good changes ( considering the meta games changes ).
@Kantbei
16 күн бұрын
Kindle SCOP was far from never used. High level fog meta in large maps (Stalingrad) is that Kindle SCOP is way stronger than COP.
@dabombboyable
26 күн бұрын
Mangs I think u should make an awbw podcast and have different players come on etc. host it with deejus or the penguin guy idk , would be really cool
@cynical_boy
Ай бұрын
Kindle's SCOP used to be buffed with only cities AND HQs, just to be clear.
@PershingDragoon
Ай бұрын
Lash playable now? Maybe I'll start playing again then
@TheFanaticsPlay
16 күн бұрын
I still dohnt know why Jess in AWBW is the AW2 version, not DS
@AADP
21 күн бұрын
I think AWBW should focus in more important things like the date simulator with a story mode
@bvd_vlvd
29 күн бұрын
Wait Kindle is Tier 2? Ok I think I'll get back to this game
@dstreetz91
29 күн бұрын
Yeah I remember playing tier 3 matches and basically every time it would be wow, they picked Kindle. What a boring choice.
@bvd_vlvd
29 күн бұрын
@@dstreetz91 I know!! I actually added a GL game and got matched up with a player with 39/139 Kindle games, with the next T3 CO being Rachel at 3/139. And yes, it's a T3 game from the get go. My win rate in other tiers is about 80%. My win rate in T3 is 43% (3W-4L). Let's hope we can improve these numbers now that the tiers are balanced and player skill becomes more important than Tier imbalance.
@PrincessRinsicles
Ай бұрын
If they wanted to make more original changes instead of going for cartridge accuracy, I think it should be a separate thing, like an option you can toggle
@KwarterCraft
29 күн бұрын
I think it's important to respect the intention of the source games, but balance changes are good to encourage variety.
@viviblue7277
Ай бұрын
Why is kindle still fog tier 3? Why is fog tier 2 still awful Olaf mirrors constantly?
@devinbannish1469
Ай бұрын
Kindle in FOG is much worse because in standard you can see what units are on cities and which aren't. So in FOG your power is just a guess, when in standard her Power is just kinda insane.
@viviblue7277
Ай бұрын
@@devinbannish1469 I know, as much as I find fogs gameplay more enjoying the CO choices in tiers 2 and 3 are often such non choices. As much as kindle would be useless in tier 2 she’s kinda unhealthy in tier 3 in my opinion as a fairly mediocre player (around the 1100 level). Tier 4 and Tier 1 are where all the interesting CO choices happen in fog.
@rattled6732
18 күн бұрын
Look at how they massacred my boy Drake
@LaterXavier-TX
Ай бұрын
I like playing Kindle, but I am so damn happy Drake got nerfed. I've always hated fighting against him with his really obnoxious naval units and usable air units. Pretty happy to start using Lash more.
@danarc5042
Ай бұрын
It would be cool to see co+ a buffed version of a certain co like tinywars has.
@fluhfie4602
Ай бұрын
Personally, I believe Drake air are still perfectly fine. They do the job of not dying to tanks and what more can you really ask for them?
@Feyyore
Ай бұрын
As a mostly Rachel Jugger main this is good news to me. xD When I am not maining Jugger, Rachel has been surprisingly capable in most situations. I still think Jugger needs a FULL rework to not be just a Flak 2.0 xD
@bantyone5299
Ай бұрын
Awesome coverage. Very clear and concise
@jafergaming1329
22 күн бұрын
this is the advance wars equivalent of chess getting a balance update good changes tho
@wyvernJC
Ай бұрын
Welcome back egg! 🐲👍
@gligurr
Ай бұрын
I haven't played in a long time so my opinion doesn't matter, but T2 Kindle seems dumb, especially in combination with a Drake nerf. T3 seems miserable now. It just makes Andy the clear best CO in the majority of circumstances
@the42ndgecko21
Ай бұрын
I think it's the right way for AWBW. I hope they continue to pursue cartridge accurate, and then hopefully that project you've been working on gives us a more experimental feel.
@ShawFujikawa
Ай бұрын
WarsWorld is not Mangs' project.
@the42ndgecko21
Ай бұрын
@@ShawFujikawa I thought there was a project that he was recruiting for? Was he just advertising for wars world?
@ShawFujikawa
Ай бұрын
@@the42ndgecko21 WarsWorld is Femboy's project, Mangs is just giving it some spotlight and probably helping test it out a bit, he isn't involved with actual development.
@devinbannish1469
Ай бұрын
Christmas came early, so long Kindle.
@junkolover9518
27 күн бұрын
You know, they could've just put different versions in different tiers. Why buff or nerf, when you can have both? You can have all three balancings - AW1 Drake, AW2 Drake, DS Drake. This would've also added a viable Jess for a higher tier play. I suppose this would make it weird if this wouldn't change tier at all, and you'll have two or three Drakes in the same one, but still.
@jacka7275
29 күн бұрын
I really hope they let players choose which edition of CO they play as. Imagine AW1 Max v AW2 Sturm. While this wouldn't be a big deal for COs like Sensei or Colin it would certainly benefit Jess.
@magicalcapi9148
Ай бұрын
No Sonja reduce opponent's defence stars? What a travesty! 2:25 FINALLY Probably the most requested change. Strange the tier change not being cited in the changelog. Also, placing her above Max? I don't know about that About the other changes: - Drake being nerfed is huge. Although he's intended to be a naval CO, it didn't matter much because air units are the most affected by fuel cut and damage. Doesn't matter 80% power if the enemy have 8 HP. - Von Bolt is correctly bottom tier, as shocking as it is. He already struggled with the other tier monsters, and now is going to be a little more difficult - Rachel, I don't know. I would guess same as Von Bolt, but let's see if is a buff or nerf - Lash is a tough call. Her daily is insane, but her powers are really awful. Kindle not being around helps tho
@rishnix
24 күн бұрын
I almost forgot that Mangs is still around. Hasn't been making many videos lately.
@Nick_strats
24 күн бұрын
Love the changes. Though I would not mind if they added a separate ladder where they go crazy and completely rebalance each commander and then after a year or so they rebalance it again. This way the people would have to figure out what is strong and what isn't. There would be no tier system and you could pick whatever against whichever CO.
@GreyWind1988
Ай бұрын
Here's a question Mangs. Do you think that CO's that are different from 2 to DS, Sonja, Lash, Jess, should also have an appearance in AWBW? I think Sonja, for example, with her defense reduction would be a really nice buff to make her playable
@mrcaos999
Ай бұрын
Sonja is also more playable. Sonja can dominate on air maps now. Drake no chance. Lash not wants air battle. Andy is her only worry now. Sonja biggest issue was kindle too. Her match up against Lash was always fine in fog and drake was okay too. Only kindle was a problem and andy a Issue if she allows him to stall
@OtherScott64
29 күн бұрын
Wish they'd go the tiny wars route and add + versions of COs. Even just DS versions of COs would be great.
@sigurdtheblue
25 күн бұрын
I thought Drake should stay strong and was the last I wanted reverted, but I never actually played the website. I wanted to start with Reboot Camp multiplayer and I lost the best time to try probably.
@cheeze1t256
23 күн бұрын
So to explain the weapon triangle thing, robin has swords and that means that robin beats bartre who uses axes, and bartre beats oboro who has lances and ninja stars, I'm glad to be of help to you.
@JellyPaladin
Ай бұрын
No more Kindle in tier 3 = maybe I'll actually play again. Tier 3 games were such groaners for me before.
@booman3138
20 күн бұрын
Good decision. Awbw should stay true to the cartridge instead of going into business for themselves
@kriltic9454
Ай бұрын
I'm so confused by this. I get the idea of making them closer to their original release but surely it would make more sense to actually try and balance the COs in general. I get that is what the Tier system is for but it's a poor way to fix a game. It prevents certain COs from facing one another unless one playeris willing to play at a disadvantage.
@maudlife
Ай бұрын
It also doesn't match Drake's original release... It's pretty arbitrary.
@devinbannish1469
Ай бұрын
@@maudlifeIt's not arbitrary, it's his Advance Wars 2 release, kind of like every other CO in AWBW. Besides Sturm for some reason.
@Komatik_
Ай бұрын
@@devinbannish1469 I want my 120/120 boy.
@whichDude
28 күн бұрын
I personally would like if they added different versions of the same character if the character got big buffs later. I'd love to see DS Jess as a playable CO.
@EnRandomSten
Ай бұрын
I dont even play advanced wars but any buffs to Lash makes me happy lol
@TheBikeOnTheMoon
29 күн бұрын
would be nice if they rebalance Eagle and Olaf by making them exactly like from DualStrike
@brandonalsop1281
29 күн бұрын
Olaf gets three days of snow in ds
@Capris9x
29 күн бұрын
These changes are a bit discouraging. It means that there won't be much of an effort for AWBW to have it's own independent balance changes, which they desperately need. If anything, every tier 1 CO should be nerfed and every tier 4 CO should be buffed. As for tier 0 COs, they would need some more drastic reworks.
@DarkOrderSolDjango
Ай бұрын
Well I didn't like the comtower being a thing in ranked match as it buff/nerf some CO and these changes don't make me happier. I'm sure Kindle will get crushed in her new tier because she can't compete against Eagle nor Max, Olaf will destroy her because if he can make it snow I doubt that you'll see her SUPER, her SUPER will mostly happen during a counter attack as most high level player who pick Max/Eagle/Olaf will tend to have a big first strike. Honestly they could just add EVERY version of the CO and "balance" them in the tier list, AW1 Andy would only have a POWER so he'll be lower in tier (or you make him clone Andy), AW1 Max will be tier 1/0. And Mangs will probably play the DS version of Jess. Imagine 3 version of Sturm in different tier: the one we have, the +20 attack and -20% defense, and the +20/20. AWBW didn't follow the cartdrige version by the book since they gave Sturm a meteor strike that deal 4HP.
@Keeki95
25 күн бұрын
Maps with stealth fighter's being tough for Drake? I think you underestimate how miserable it will be to deal with fuel drain on those gas guzzlers.
@brandonalsop1281
29 күн бұрын
I still think drake copters will see a limited amount of play as in your typhoon turn they are going into 8 hp units with 80% attack assuming no comm towers. I would often spam drake copters on fog before the change as it was a great way to build unit count and have a super powerful typhoon turn. I think that tactic is now a lot less viable but not dead
@OtherScott64
29 күн бұрын
This feels like they're doing this so that people cant use these COs as counter arguements when team says something is the way it is due to it being cartridge accurate.
@ja1369
Ай бұрын
So why not provide real balance changes. I mean lash could be more viable say if she can use her Co powert at 3 stars instead of 4
@OrlandoAguirre222
Ай бұрын
Lmao, I don't play Advance Wars but I would find it funny if IS just decided to tweak FE game balance after years. Basically, I find this funni to change it after so long that I'm all for it, although my opinion ain't matter much as a mere spectator of Advance Wars
@ascrein5247
Ай бұрын
Regarding these changes... I have only one thing to say. F. I am currently using Drake in competitive in fog and I am facing Andy. This feels like it is going to screw me over. Rip.
@kent7057
29 күн бұрын
I like these changes. Not so sure Kindle should be T2 now, but, hey, I guess we'll see!
@onEmEmbErstudios
Ай бұрын
Drake, poor dude
@SteveMorris-c2r
14 күн бұрын
The fact that a patch was required to change the meta suggests serious stagnation in the communities ability to innovate. Its an unfortunate fate for any well known strategy game. Everything becomes text book and no one is willing to question what is or isn't possible any more. Sadly when that happens the game stops being about strategy and starts being about rote memorization. The truly sad part is there are people out there that know this game so well that with a little effort and ingenuity can turn the game on its head.
@Zelgius1
19 күн бұрын
I do agree, that it is a good change to move Kindle alongside the same tier with characters like Olaf. That is a W for sure. Drake was really bad with air units already, but nerfing those even further, just makes his air units not worth building in my opinion and losing out on 15% defence on naval units as well, isn't too big of a deal, but it makes naval combat in general less favorable for him. ....At that point i am questioning myself, if a naval map might be better served with a CO like Olaf, instead of Drake. This is a questionable L at best. The changes to Von Bolt and Rachel favors a more proactive aggressive playstyle and even allows for a more aggressive use. It is a W for people using them.
@makohidari4723
28 күн бұрын
harsh one for Drake but Kindle should have been moved to tier 2 earlier really. And anything that can boost Lash is a good thing of course
@JestaShezarrTeamA
15 күн бұрын
Wheres the Jess fix to inf in AWDS
@myst6673
26 күн бұрын
AW newbie here, and I have to ask, why did those differences exist in the first place? I can understand Rachel and Von Bolt (that kind of targeting can be tricky to implement), and Kindle was maaaaaaaybe a misunderstanding, but where did they get the Drake changes from? That feels like too obvious a change from cartridge to be a mistake.
@epicgamerzfail4575
Ай бұрын
Shame how some of the changes to be more cartridge accurate resulted in nerfs. I do hope one day someone makes an awbw equivalent with proper balance changes to help change up the tiers a bit; it'd be interesting to see what meta changes could result from it
@JuanDi_SDK
Ай бұрын
wars world is already a project that exists and they are aiming to do exactly that
@kent7057
29 күн бұрын
Don't tell Mangs that Dual Strike Lash is coming.....
@maudlife
Ай бұрын
I don't see how the Drake change is more cartrideg accurate. It's Advance Wars 2 Drake rather than Advance Wars 1 Drake, and they've supposedly been sticking to a philosophy of sticking to COs as they were originally released. I don't know, this seems like an arbitrary nerf to Drake.
@raydespoir
Ай бұрын
Maybe they secretly hate Drake lol
@devinbannish1469
Ай бұрын
No, all of them are their Advance Wars 2 versions (unless they weren't in advance wars 2 obviously)
@maudlife
Ай бұрын
@@devinbannish1469 What about Sturm?
@devinbannish1469
Ай бұрын
@@maudlife Sturm is still his Advance Wars 1 version, yes. He is now the only outlier. But considering he's tier 0 at 80% regular firepower, making him the Advance Wars 2 120% firepower would be ridiculous.
@maudlife
Ай бұрын
@@devinbannish1469 If he's already tier 0 and thus not played on the ladder, would it make that much of a difference?
@HisCoconutGun
Ай бұрын
Isnt Clone Andy identical to Andy?
@anachronity9002
29 күн бұрын
Jess updated to AWDS stats when??? They're doing my girl dirty. I wanna see her up in tier 3 where she belongs.
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