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@TrueHey
Ай бұрын
I hate that neither parties never said this, right now both communities are attacking and raiding eachother because of their inaction
@Grimmmmy-boy
Ай бұрын
Lmao I saw you in all of those comment sections 😭
@Da_voices_are_yelling
Ай бұрын
Honestly hater communities ruin everything, they just give a bad image of their content creator/devs while the content creator/devs didn’t ask for anything
@JustoneMILK
Ай бұрын
Back round game Is Randomizer
@realyes
Ай бұрын
STAY IN YOUR LANE, THEORY BOY!
@feraBR
Ай бұрын
they should have done like blocktales, make the unfinished state free, and make a donation stand with funny things and little rewards
@lamppost101
Ай бұрын
Maybe? But the type of game it is i don’t think it would work as well
@batl_e
Ай бұрын
@@lamppost101 ......how
@Frogger1400
Ай бұрын
It’s ALPHA, tbh the reason why I like Tower World more is because it doesn’t make it free instantly, because it makes sure that the game is complete until the average players start to flood in. Unlike Block Tales… This is one of the reasons why I don’t really enjoy block tales nowadays. Edit : Holy Sh*t people can’t even take a slightly hot take nowadays? Are you really that offended by an Opinion? Let people have their own opinions, the reason why I want creators to “Gatekeep” games before they’re supposed to come out is NOT just for the average players to NOT flood in, it’s so these players don’t rush the developers for new updates. If you don’t like about my opinion don’t get so angry on it, simply tell me YOUR opinion on MY opinion, you don’t have to complain on hot takes smh
@batl_e
Ай бұрын
@@Frogger1400 you dont like people checking an unfinished game project out without actually paying?
@whatwall-k2w
Ай бұрын
@@Frogger1400 tf why you want them to gatekeep the game away from f2ps for
@yeeternoob2010
Ай бұрын
i still think it really was a miscommunication on eclipse's part. havent watched his videos in a while but the way he formats videos always seem to completly muddy his actual solid opinion. like instead of going "should you buy tower world?" or smth he immediately inflates the problem for all its worth as if he has some "bad things about video game" quota. i genuinely think if he was just a bit more gentle with his word usage and script writing this could have been avoided.
@Grimmmmy-boy
Ай бұрын
He made a click baity titled that called the game that they worked hard on a “scam” so they had a watch party where they said some dumb stuff in the moment without really thinking that was kinda rude, and eclipse took offense to that and made a response to the response… it’s just whatever. Both sides just had some miscommunication.
@PanTostek
Ай бұрын
@@Grimmmmy-boy "IS this game a scam!?" Eclipse himself made a quick rant about that in his response lol. I'm also pretty sure that the usage of "scam" was an obvious rage-bait/joke. I don't think that he actually treats his reviews seriously sometimes. Like, take his take on BSS for example. The whole video is just saying "BEEEEE GAMEEEEEEEEEEEEE".
@Grimmmmy-boy
Ай бұрын
@@PanTostek it was obviously implied that he was calling the games a scam with the click bait title 🗣️
@THEOnlyLightModeUserLeft
Ай бұрын
@2:54 There are game passes, I literally just checked, Small error there, I agree the scam part in his thumbnail was bad and extremely misleading, But I disagree with the point about there needing to be more devs, I think Eclipse's point was that the Tower World devs don't have all the core mechanics/levels/story down in the game yet, and them having all this other stuff is just nonsensical and a bad allocation of funds/resources and money that they are getting from these "donations". From an outsider's point of view, the developers are not doing much towards working on the game with the money people are giving them. That's what he was getting at, Good video otherwise.
@solarsirius
Ай бұрын
If you want my whole take on this situation; I think that Eclipse’s first video is still valid. He critiques what’s in front of him, and then gives his opinion at the end. Obviously, he won’t recommend his audience to buy a game because it could get better in the future. He made a lot of dumb points in the second video tbh (the whole two devs thing you mentioned. i think that he got it from AO only having a solo dev) but also absolutely dunked on the devs because their response was an unorganised mess. As for their third video; it was ONLY made because they didn’t expect Eclipse to respond. Sure, they made good points, but it’s clear they still hate him and are kinda grasping at straws with some of their arguments (the whole “scam” thing, which is just stupid because he’s asking a question, not making a statement). It felt like they were trying to justify the game being paid access, whilst being passive aggressive towards Eclipse. I think that Eclipse will put this situation to rest with his next (and hopefully final) response video.
@pizzaboy2303
Ай бұрын
eclipse decided to not respond anymore
@solarsirius
Ай бұрын
@@pizzaboy2303 fr!? honestly, im shocked.
@pizzaboy2303
Ай бұрын
@@solarsirius eclipse probably realized that this is just a nothing burger drama
@Azyraasr
20 күн бұрын
I love click bait
@Kewzip
20 күн бұрын
Objectively, their video is a nothing burger. They state you "don't have to buy early access" but when Eclipse supposedly drives away "potential customers" why would this matter? That entire response from the dev team completely ignores their contradictions. You don't have to buy the game but it seems like if you don't buy the game it'll never be made. This is my quarrel of early access games. There is zero reason to have them cost money when a product is unfinished but "promised." Your whole promise means bullshit if you don't get enough funding. The fact that they're trying to cover their game's ass because it's early access makes no sense when critique is valid. If anything they double down on the players paying the developers for a product at risk in development. What a shitty practice.
@cheebster4015
Ай бұрын
I seen eclipse's video and the discord chat video with the devs and I'm leaning more with eclipse. I paid and finished tower world some months back I can say that JToH or JToH inspired games have much more to offer than tower world for absolutely free. If TW added donations to support the developers then that would be justifiable, but making people pay to play well-polished, but short unfinished game that won't be updated for months to come is ridiculous. This "Pay for early access and hopefully the game gets better and released for free!" scheme only works on Roblox.
@YakouHikoichi
27 күн бұрын
I still don't understand why they made an unfinished game to be payable, why should I pay for a game that's still unfinished? How should I criticize your game when you're already asking something from me? It would've been better if they just made it free and make some donation game pass for it, because at least I'll know what the game is without paying it, and honestly, it's mediocre
@DaRealGeniwerman1156
21 күн бұрын
Same
@Kewzip
20 күн бұрын
This scheme works on every platform. They're normalized and it pains me to see gaming culture lean into such terrible treatment to the community. We shouldn't be paying for entertainment that is being developed. This is like a psuedo exit scam practice that should never be considered "normal".
@KirboGuy37
Ай бұрын
2:48 look at the game pass section to them (yes there are game passes). I thought it didn't to lol, but I went to check just to make sure I found out it did.
@WizardGuyIguess
Ай бұрын
Eclipse is right in my opinion, the devs dont know how to take criticism at all (also the game has gamepasses 5x the price of the game) it costs money and its subject to criticism.
@playfulwaddles
Ай бұрын
Don't buy the gamepasses
@lamppost101
Ай бұрын
Saw your comments on the videos but didn’t expect to see you make a video on it though. I mostly agree with your opinions. Also, 🍿
@_dankRITZ
Ай бұрын
I dont get how people can get into an argument on the smallest stuff 💀
@Some_guy0-
Ай бұрын
Would you let some dude tarnish your reputation, make your whole career look like a bad thing that just shits on games, AND they personally attack you? Fuck. No.
@Erusean_pilot
Ай бұрын
@@Some_guy0-devs second response is actually good
@Some_guy0-
Ай бұрын
@@Erusean_pilot another response? Cool, I won't check it out though but thanks for telling me bro.
@Azyraasr
20 күн бұрын
That's a few cents
@sleet22
Ай бұрын
Both sides have very bad takes, but I still enjoyed sinking in some time on their videos because I just have way too much free time. Let’s hope they stop this tho because this is turning into the type soul drama with eclipse
@WizardGuyIguess
Ай бұрын
Yeah but the type diddy devs actually sucked
@atticuskaeser4260
Ай бұрын
goodjob great vid, but. THERE ARE 2 GAMEPASSES IN TOWER WORLD. One for 2x (genereic currency name =bits) and a buddy rope to turn the game into altatorture. Your take still makes alot of sense, but uhhhh yea there are 2 gamepasses. pls remember. anyway good game, eclipse is a good youtuber and his points genuinely aren't that bad, but he acts in a way that shows him as a guy thats sorta the victim of them, when in reality he was the one accusing them in the first place. However, Tower worlds devs commited personal attacks aganist him, however thats immeaditely counteracted when he does the exact same thing back, and he didn't even address a whole section of the devs response vid. So while the devs defienently feeded the fire a little, they are diffenantly not the worst. Both did bad things and hopefully this gets resolved.
@blackjym
Ай бұрын
what i basically heard from this vid, "blah blah, um, blah blah blah, um, blah, um, blah blah, um, um blah blah, um, so, um,honestly, um, blah blah, um". no hate obviously but like crazy how much he says um. Can somebody make an um counter?
@NotOofLegacy
Ай бұрын
@@blackjym you dropped this, king 🤡 🫱
@kandyerzy
21 күн бұрын
@@NotOofLegacy no, hes right
@spookuhh
Ай бұрын
i think
@neelimavaishnavi6520
Ай бұрын
i agree with this take
@Xirken
Ай бұрын
valid
@BasHeen101
29 күн бұрын
true
@x0v8
Ай бұрын
i don't think there's an actual reason on how the game itself is bad besides "it costs money and it doesn't have much content." Other than that the game is extremely good hopefully this drama will just stop when the toxic tower update comes out.
@Antamations.
Ай бұрын
Imo, the worst part of the drama is just how little eclipse knows about towers. He doesnt know that tower obbies can take upwards of a year to make and thinks its as simple as just putting some bricks in an enclosed area and calling it a tower, and using what he thinks is a tower obby to say that the devs have been doing nothing. If you dont know about something, you need to research that topic. Im pretty sure the reason why eclipse hasnt researched what a tower obby is because he thinks he knows what a tower obby is. In his response video, he says that he has played tons of obbies when he was young, and is on a baseline level if knowledge on obbies. But I feel there is a big difference between an obby and a tower obby, where an obby you see when searching up "obby" is just a normal easy obby with checkpoints after every corner, while a tower obby is usually a hard obby where one mistake can send you back a few stages. Eclipse thinks that both are the same thing, and its obvious he doesnt know theyre different. If you check on jtoh.info, he hasnt completed a single tower on jtoh which is really strange if youre saying you know enough about tower obbies to review a jtoh fangame.
@Backpedaled
Ай бұрын
Eclipse never complained about the devs doing nothing. His main point was that the creators of the game were allocating too much of their funds into paying developers that weren’t needed for a pre-alpha game and needed more money as a result in order to compensate. Like he said in his response video, the overspending of a projects funds shouldn’t be put on the shoulders on the consumers to repay. The fact that it costs money already holds the game to higher standards. Like you said, he isn’t too big on tower obbies, but he doesn’t need to be an expert to point out flaws in basic game design, such as when he mentions sections of the tower that feature the hard stages right before the next checkpoint and have the player repeat a bunch of tedious, easy obstacles every time they die. He also mentions other issues such as the killbricks being redundant, the zip lines being a pain, the wall-climbing issues, and other nitpicks he only mentions due to the game being paid. These issues would have been easy to ignore if the game didn’t cost money, simultaneously putting the game up against every free obby out there, and warranting harsher criticism. While his response wasn’t perfect, you do have to acknowledge his valid points and constructive criticism. Eclipse doesn’t recommend this game, not because it’s bad, but because it gets judged more severely due to the fact that it costs money, no matter how much that is. He even mentions that if not for the price tag, he would have recommended it, but is instead disappointed by the overall state of the game in paid early-alpha. While the hardcore fans of tower obbies might find it enjoyable, Eclipse is just the average player, and as such, doesn’t think the game in its current state is going to be very appealing to normal consumers (the target audience of his review).
@valverios
Ай бұрын
glazing is insane bud pipe down
@Xirken
Ай бұрын
Please add spacing between each sentence 🙏
@taxcollectr
Ай бұрын
@@valverioswdym glazing? he just talked about eclipse having valid and wrong points?
@TrueHey
Ай бұрын
@Backpedaled I mean the devs even said that they don't want "the average player" on their game and that's why it's in paid alpha, their game is in an uncomfortable place for it to be released to the public and they even said in their first response that they think that you should only buy the game if you are a diehard obby fan and have some spare change
@vxwgaming1622
Ай бұрын
without any watchings of eclipse’s video or any past context besides watching eclipse for a while(both agreeing and disagreeing with some of his opinions), I gotta say, I’m on the dev’s side here. I mainly play steam games now, so honestly, paying money for a newer, unfinished game that I’m interested in isn’t a problem for me. I’d like to think of it as funding and supporting developers who often just have a passion for making games rather than the money to do so. If a game cost money and it’s bad, I’m gonna critique it, but not because it’s a “scam”, but as a point of improvement to help out future developers do better. By paying that 50 robux, you aren’t just paying to play a game, but you’re also funding and supporting a developer, helping them make better games and some funds to do it. TL;DR, I support paying for an unpolished game to make it better, idk the dev(or play many Obbies) but Eclipse(as a fan of him who hasn’t watched any other video beside this one of the drama) spends a lot of time dismaying devs and their game rather than actually trying to help and improve them.
@natax1737
Ай бұрын
here's my counter-argument: 1: why make the game paid access?, donations are a thing and buying unfinished games are a gamble, what if the developer just bails, gives up or just stops for whatever reason?, they promote the game and say "it will get better", this is literally a kickstater campaign if you think about it, only difference is that you have some sort of demo. 2: What does, uh, steam have to do with anything?, steam and roblox are different, steam has different ways of payment where it is actual money instead of tokens that often require you to buy a pack of them. And i am unaware if roblox even allows you to refund games. 3: As far as i know, Eclipse did make some critiques and recommended solutions.
@talhayigitcelik1868
Ай бұрын
Bro they dont need no money they got hazem funding their ass 😭😭
@uglybeast650
Ай бұрын
"Eclipse spends a lot of time dismaying devs and their game rather than actually trying to help and improve them." what this is just objectively incorrect, if you watched his video he provides a lot of constructive criticism rather than hurling petty insults unlike the devs
@playfulwaddles
Ай бұрын
@@talhayigitcelik1868If they wanted as much money as possible it wouldn't be a parkour game
@playfulwaddles
Ай бұрын
@@natax17371: 50 robux ain't much even if it's too much for someone they won't buy it 2: they don't refund but again your really losing nothing 3: I haven't watched eclipse critique on tower world cause he sounds whiny
@ExTiger80
20 күн бұрын
Pleeease make a video on Token Traveller 😢. Its literally AF3.
@Da_voices_are_yelling
Ай бұрын
Even if I like eclipse and his videos, the devs are in the right in this situation bc he didn’t do his research, didn’t even tried the other gamemodes, and he also victimizes himself by listing all the times he got "roasted" while he literally said the game that these devs worked so hard on is close to being or straight up is a scam, as his title says in the video. However, I do think the devs should add some sort of donation system to not be paid strictly by the 50 paywall, and do like phighting and their broker coins, something like that (and their first response sucked). Also eclipse stating that the writer should get a lower paycheck bc there is no story CURRENTLY is really rude, and again he didn’t do his research by going in the discord server and seeing all the leaks the devs are posting for the npcs, story, and new areas. I think both parties are in the wrong, this is not a black and white situation in which either the devs are scammers or eclipse is stupid for not doing research, but eclipse is overall more in the wrong than the devs imo since he is way harsher and just states that "every alpha game is a scam" for like half of the videos just bc they usually are scams on roblox, but clearly not in this case.
@Grimmmmy-boy
Ай бұрын
0:10 RANDOMIZER SPOTTED, FIRE GAME
@CookieMan278
Ай бұрын
W
@neelimavaishnavi6520
Ай бұрын
people seem to forget that the other reason for the paywall is for diehard tower game players to see the game and review it with a expierienced take so when eclipse reviews it. Its gonna be shoddy. Thats the other reason the game has a paywall
@9yiannis
Ай бұрын
jtoh > tower world
@Lean99999
Ай бұрын
Low quality rage bait
@9yiannis
Ай бұрын
@@Lean99999 bruh have u seen jtoh
@Lean99999
Ай бұрын
@@9yiannis comparing a ALPHA to a 4+ year old completed game is kinda stupid of you
@9yiannis
Ай бұрын
@@Lean99999 that's true but tower world is just generic and the gp is boring the obstacles have almost no potential for even remotely hard gameplay that will be in the game in the future and it's just uninspired also the mix of stud and custom textures is extremely ugly
@9yiannis
Ай бұрын
@@Lean99999 tower world feels like it exists just for the sake of a 3d platformer regardless of if it's actually fun or not
@pixelatedluisyt
Ай бұрын
metallic madness act 2 music in the background, immediate W.
@Grimmmmy-boy
Ай бұрын
Same with the randomizer back round gameplay, fire music and fire game
@notepic7612
13 күн бұрын
Ok so there are a bunch of people who just watched this video and not the actual ones in the comments who do not know what they are talking about so here is my perspective from actually seeing the videos 1. The only people saying "wa wa its p2p for alpha" have not even seen the game, the credits literally has so much developers that need to be paid "oh but why cant they just add a donation booth and make it free" Donation booths are HIGHLY unreliable and also are highly risky for a game with over 10 developers considering tower games do not get that much recognition 2. Eclipse did not even play the full game, he just played the towers and skipped ALL the bonus modes which are like half the content People complaining about the response which remind you WAS NOT SCRIPTED was quite bad but then franco made an actually good one, the comments about the response definitely did not watch eclipse's awful response and francos response either and i can tell this because they are complaining that it costs 50 robux clearly forgetting that it is in alpha and franco literally said it would be free in the full release 3. the people complaining do not know the full picture and clearly just saw eclipse's first video and the bad response and not everything else, eclipse did not do enough research on the game and also defamed the game because the thumbnail and game made it look like a massive scam, and no his point on just needing 2 developers is not a good excuse, lets not forget that tower of hell which is an incredibly basic game has much more then 2 devs Finally, stop whining about it costing robux you do not need to buy the game, all your doing is just missing out on early versions of the game, you can just wait for the release and before responding go check the response and maybe ACTUALLY RESEARCH ON THE GAME before sharing your awful responses, opinions are fine but when they are on baseless videos they are not proper opinions just people who do not know what they are talking about commenting their opinions on videos that do not explain the full picture ok thats all bye.
@ssneakyandfriends1626
Ай бұрын
honestly i'd just do what block tales did with my plan for a Tower Galactica like game. just you know without the tower Galactica lore and characters. that being said i cannot do it alone and want to make a team before i or anyone else makes anything really.
@1havecats
Ай бұрын
Can you really blame eclipse here? He's been kinda fucked into a position where most views he gets are on videos he has to spend wayy too long on for an upload schedule like his, and drama, now me personally i didn't watch either video from either party but I do know people gonna be constantly bitching in the comments about how hrs milking and yeah, its what sells and gets view and people like, thats the fucking point, only other thing he can do for view is deepwoken and hes on break from that rn (for the best of his discord dms).
@Lean99999
Ай бұрын
This whole drama is just master clickbaiter Vs talented Devs
@a-guy_i_think
Ай бұрын
nah its more of master clickbaiter vs bad salesmen
@Lean99999
Ай бұрын
@@a-guy_i_think well those ""bad salesman"" made ever 50k+ robux off early access lmao
@mridotprobably
29 күн бұрын
eclipse is getting a bag out of the videos and so are the devs so the drama is pretty symbiotic
@Springfalling
28 күн бұрын
I feel like this isn’t drama it’s just devs being whiney
@poopfloatackedyourmans1115
12 күн бұрын
@@Lean99999No shit, they're bad.
@НикитаТараповский-д1х
Ай бұрын
9:51 that’s not what he said. He said a game needs a scripter ,an animator ,a designer and a writer which is correct because clearly you don’t need 15 people working on one game
@GoldRNG
Ай бұрын
the last time ive seen eclipse is when he made a entry point video edit: if yk thats fair 👀
@mridotprobably
29 күн бұрын
can you make a video where you play with another developer tic-tac-toe on eclipse’s forehead and whenever someone wins the framed photograph of eclipse placed on a shrine gets a kiss on his forehead?
@NotOofLegacy
29 күн бұрын
@@mridotprobably no bro that's retarded 💀
@mridotprobably
29 күн бұрын
@@NotOofLegacypoopy pants😡
@sneakysnake3555
Ай бұрын
is notooflegacy a fraud?!
@Ikworsu
29 күн бұрын
Yet another person with the uncapability to read 5:45, Eclipse titled his first video "IS THIS (Indication that this is a QUESTION, not a STATEMENT) a scam?", he literally even pointed out that he never actually called the game a scam on the 2nd video, but I guess It's a little hard to use your eyes or ears instead of the obviously easier option to just make bs up. Also, a big part about the price issue is that most games on roblox are free, and making a game cost ANY amount of money already rises expectations dramatically. Overall, saw a pretty big bias towards the tower devs team just 'cause you know them a little and probably some animosity towards Eclipse for past takes you didn't agree with (In the sense you favor them more than him due to personal bias and such).
@neelimavaishnavi6520
28 күн бұрын
Im not trying to be rude but this comment feels like it’s being biased towards eclipse
@neelimavaishnavi6520
28 күн бұрын
This comment feels very aggressive for some reason
@Ikworsu
28 күн бұрын
@@neelimavaishnavi6520 I feel like I just pointed out 2 facts this guy completely glossed over (Since I just pointed out and corrected things he said wrong) and gave my personal opinion at the end of the comment which is mostly unrelated to the 2 facts above. About the aggresive thing, think of It as you will, if you want to interpret It as super aggresive and whatever, you're free to do so.
@neelimavaishnavi6520
28 күн бұрын
@@Ikworsu you do you I guess
@tsaroftheunion
27 күн бұрын
Was there for the Entry Point drama with Eclipse. Now this. And this was the guy using a loud drill in stealth and then saying "I wish the drill didn't trigger loud" (there was a silent drill.)
@DaRealGeniwerman1156
21 күн бұрын
I think its funny how in one clip he uses a drill in front of everyone
@tsaroftheunion
21 күн бұрын
@@DaRealGeniwerman1156 "Nobody will notice."
@Blockbuster1776
Ай бұрын
stopping idiots from saying first
@RgalGae
Ай бұрын
keep towering all over this world or something (i still dont know what that means)
@pillarp1441
Ай бұрын
Getting scammed out of 50 Robux?!?!?! too much robux. (The games not bad but like it's literally just 50 robux)
@CitizenCashier
Ай бұрын
Roblox inflation hella horrible
@talhayigitcelik1868
Ай бұрын
Im not paying 50 robux for a obby game that lasts 1.5 hours that will become free
@Xirken
Ай бұрын
50 Robux is still not worth it man.
@tyrannomon267
Ай бұрын
@@talhayigitcelik18681.5 hours😂
@tyrannomon267
Ай бұрын
@@talhayigitcelik1868Bro is a speedrunner
@justpurpled
Ай бұрын
🍿
@actinion6334
Ай бұрын
where were you when we needed you most (erion vs deeterplays
@NotOofLegacy
Ай бұрын
i came
@Azyraasr
20 күн бұрын
Its so cheap I don't even care
@Chaos_man12
Ай бұрын
nice
@senorcat2535
Ай бұрын
Eclipse channel went from having fun playing games to bitching in every video Bro really fell off
@Chaos_man12
Ай бұрын
ikr lol
@darkeryzz
Ай бұрын
Eclipse was like this 2 years ago what yall yappin about loll
@feraBR
Ай бұрын
i prefer that way than playing deepwoken (i don't like that thing)
@Chaos_man12
Ай бұрын
@@darkeryzz nice ragebait
@darkeryzz
Ай бұрын
@@Chaos_man12 it’s not rage bait lol, eclipse has been rage baiting for 2 years since Roblox Is Unbreakable lol
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