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@SadToffee
Ай бұрын
Fair argument for the greatest set of all time. I will say however, you have not seen me vs my friend, drunk out of our minds at 3am playing DK dittos.
@sluj9461
Ай бұрын
💪🏿
@SadToffee
Ай бұрын
@@sluj9461 lmao
@slyp4494
Ай бұрын
lmao valid
@user-kh3jj4rx2v
Ай бұрын
You know, he's got a point
@peteranatskiy7897
Ай бұрын
im so happy this is a universal experience
@youraverageguy7842
Ай бұрын
Walt’s in his Summoning Salt phase rn
@Sskipster
Ай бұрын
definitely more of an overt SB Nation reference but yeah kinda
@samd9816
Ай бұрын
summoning walt
@Alexander_Grant
Ай бұрын
@@Sskipster Yeah, these types of videos aren't really Summoning Salt-like. I've gotten kind of tired of any sort of storytelling when it comes to video games being compared to Summoning Salt. Yeah, that dude is okay for speedrun history, but there's so many other greats on this website that do the storytelling thing better than him. I like these better than Summoning Salt for sure. EmpLemon has the greatest Smash video of all time, as well as the greatest video on this website in his Stanislav Petrov one. Jon Bois has incredible stories in his Pretty Good series, the ones he's doing on Patreon are incredible right now. Lemmino is another amazing one. I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but Summoning Salt had great videos back in the day, but everyone else has caught up to him and he's gotten stale. His videos are too formulaic at this point, while with channels like this there isn't that whole "I can tell what's coming next by the way he's wording things" that comes with watching a Summoning Salt video. Bismuth is even a better Summoning Salt at this point for me.
@jackenglish6470
Ай бұрын
@@Alexander_Granthater pilled but you raise good points
@Alexander_Grant
Ай бұрын
@@water0000 It's just a couple paragraphs, not even neatly constructed enough to be an essay. Crazy how people just out themselves as being illiterate.
@miasma1718
Ай бұрын
i could listen to armada talk about melee history for hours
@h3ck774
Ай бұрын
smiling raven is cursed af in a still image change it now
@Appletank8
Ай бұрын
i thought it was an old Armada interview, but i guess Walt found time to call Armada down for a chat specifically for this series?
@turndownforwalt
Ай бұрын
@@Appletank8 I actually shot this interview with Adam back in 2023 but never got around to using it for anything - I knew I eventually wanted to do a piece on his rivalry with Hbox so I’m glad he was so open to talking about it here! (The full interview is available on my Patreon btw)
@brzt4256
Ай бұрын
Juan's reaction to the win, and especially his interview afterwards where he opens up about his father always, without fail, makes me tear up. What a guy.
@phil_matic
Ай бұрын
That reaction was totally forced man. He has had a history of faking his reactions in order to get more attention. He has since reduced it when people started catching onto it.
@frozzle
Ай бұрын
His interview about his biological father passing wasn’t after evo 2016, It was actually after Dreamhack 2015. would’ve been insane if they had lined up, but they were months apart
@strylon2277
Ай бұрын
@@phil_maticHe does, but not this time His pop off at EVO was NOT planned and wasn't exagerrated, you just dont understand how hard it was for HBox to always place 2nd at EVO, to always be in the shadows of everyone else and to always lose to Armada And this set was just insanely stressful And he has NOT reduced it ? His pop offs are arguably bigger nowadays
@phil_matic
Ай бұрын
@@strylon2277 I respectfully disagree. Perhaps it wasn't planned because there's a chance he could lose, but he knew if he was to win, he was going to be super dramatic with his reaction. He has beaten Armada prior to this at Dreamhack, it's not like he never was able to beat Armada. It's completely fabricated. I wouldn't say his pop offs are bigger because he stopped the whole fake crying routine
@flamo2666
Ай бұрын
@@phil_matic As someone who tends to pop off after winning intense sets I just think you dont get it. It's completely impossible to entirely fake pop offs, you can ham them up more, but there has to be some genuine emotion to pull from. I mean, just look at IBDW's reverse pop off, pulling that pop off from nothing made him so lightheaded it he had to hold onto somebody to not fall over. I dont think you understand how much bad faith is required to think that hbox's pop off there was "entirely forced man", you just lack internet empathy and see people on your screen as targets to bring down.
@SSB_Seal
Ай бұрын
God I love this series. Evo 2016 still has such a special place in my heart, being there in person, competing and watching top 8 in the arena was truly incredible. No other tournament that I've been to has had quite the same feeling.
@geremynunezortega7346
Ай бұрын
I can´t wait for aMSa vs Mang0 at big house 10, we all know that set has to be in this series of the greatest sets
@Valentinesdayghost
Ай бұрын
“The Most Eggceptional Set In Melee History” should be the title of the video.
@NotYourFriend-YT
Ай бұрын
It's genuinely incredible how long the old heads have been playing melee at this point Seeing baby hbox and armada give me the feels ... still shout "lfg!!!" seeing these games to this day
@Landmasters
Ай бұрын
it is funny, cause while Mango Vs Armada is undoubtedly THE Melee rivalry, in a lot of ways Armada and Hungrybox goes deeper -Armada getting brutalized by Puff at Apex 2010 -Armada picking up Young Link to counter Puff -Hbox struggling immensely with the matchup, only really getting a leg up in one set of Apex 2012 -Breaking out NESS to try and counter Armada at Aprex 2013, failing and falling back to Puff -Then breaking out a Falco and Fox to try and deal with it, while more successful they ultimately fail -Hbox finally conquering the matchup at Evo 2014 -Down 0-2 at Paragon Orlando, Armada elects to bring out his Fox as the new counter -Armada goes on a tear in 2015, winning 5/6 sets leading into Dreamhack -At Dreamhack Hbox brings Crunch to coach him for the FInals and obtains his first Supermajor since Apex 2010 -Coaching is then restricted in some fashion, but Hbox fires off the first half of 2016 to contend as best in the world -EVO 2016, nuff said, only for Hbox to fumble in the last half to finish 2nd to Armada -2017 starts off okay for Hbox, but Armada is looking unstoppable following his 2nd EVO win -Hungrybox proceeds to win a staggering five tournaments in a row to pry the No. 1 spot from Armada's fingers -Despite being in prime position to take the No. 1 spot, Armada elects to retire after Smashcon 2018 (This is a complicated one, as there's a decent argument that Armada's citation for no longer having fun was referring to dealing with Puff. I'm 50/50, cause the most anxiety I've seen of Armada on camera is when he just narrowly made Top 8 at EVO 2018 over Zain) Whereas Armada and Mango were about putting together some amazing sets and their battle of nations, Armada and Hbox feels more personal. This character I don't like, this person denies me my assured victory, they are relentless in figuring me out, describing it as an arms race is spot on
@NemesisCOD
Ай бұрын
You missed Smash Summit 6. Armada beat Hbox and gave off the most emotional pop off I've ever seen him done. I really think once he proved to himself that he could best Hbox in 2018 there wasn't a whole lot of challenges left, and honestly who wants to fight Jigglypuff for every GF moving forwards...
@Landmasters
Ай бұрын
@@NemesisCOD Good point I'd forgotten about that one! There's also Smash n Splash 3 where Hbox finally broke his losing streak against Armada and he popped off MUCH harder (Broke his foot) than when he won the tournament over Leffen so this feeling sounds mutual
@trueblueryu5713
Ай бұрын
Having a rivalry in a game series is a hell of a feeling. While leagues below them, I had a solid rivalry for a while ever since I started going to locals with another player in the region, and I think my time competing would’ve been a lot less enjoyable without that to push me.
@normallyben
Ай бұрын
happening to be on youtube as a walt video was uploaded is the best thing that will happen to me today
@LARAUJO_0
Ай бұрын
Hello there
@Bravenwolf22
Ай бұрын
Thumbnail had me thinking this was False Swipe Gaming lol
@DesTr069
Ай бұрын
HELL YEAH. This is the set that got me into spectating melee. Absolutely incredible gameplay
@MehIFied
Ай бұрын
Immaculate video. Combines awesome narrative of the rivalry, first-hand accounts from the players, great technical analysis, wrapped up in a deliciously edited banger! I'll always hold their EVO set to be one of the best of melee's history and you really showcased why better than I'd ever be able to explain.
@blast_baja_
Ай бұрын
wake up, babe, new walt video just dropped
@FirstName-lg5hv
Ай бұрын
What up sigma😏 Didn’t know you were here
@astres1362
Ай бұрын
I don't know if I would say "forgotten"
@definitelydoctorproctor
Ай бұрын
More like, “brought up in therapy”
@YoungSimbaFGC
Ай бұрын
This is the set that really made me fall in love with melee in specific, and why I'm still around to this day. I love your videos so much Walt thank you
@asg8086
Ай бұрын
This is my favourite Melee set of all time, I'm grateful that you decided to invest time and effort in this. Keep it up.
@HenryZhaosTextbook
Ай бұрын
There's no player I miss seeing compete more than Armada, and it feels so validating to watch you honor this era of Melee's history that captured my heart
@dinksmallwood5561
17 күн бұрын
I actually had the pleasure of meeting Armada once. I used to live in a small flat in central Gothenburg back in 2009, together with a close friend. We always had tons of people over, several computors and of course an old tv with a Gamecube and Melee. Melee was the name of the game, but we were just casual players who were often drunk or high (or both). The flat was just called "Lägenheten" or "The apartment" by all of it's regulars. One of my friends met this one Melee player at this youth centre and this stranger ended up living with us in the apartment since he had just lost his apartment and we needed help covering the rent. This dude was leagues above us in skill, he knew how to wave dash, and animation cancel, combos and all that stuff. When me and my flatmate went on vacation during the summer, we left this dude to be in charge of stuff while we were gone. After two weeks we came back to a complete and utter Melee fest. The dude had invited over Armada and his brother and some other of the top players in Sweden and they had apparently been non-stop grinding Melee for almost two weeks. Armada and his brother were both really nice kids. It was quite unexpected. He completely wrecked my Puff, which was not quite as unexpected.
@X0v3r
Ай бұрын
that 2016-2018 run is legendary
@FirePuff12
Ай бұрын
Oooh Walt retelling this LETSGOO I can’t wait to see the YL storyline, the NESS vs YL, Paragon 2015 Fox debut, Evo 2016, GT-X, Smash n Splash 4 etc Edit: Closed at Evo 2016 but godamn that was beautiful Walt is so right, not just to the general Melee public but to me too, I’m such a huge Mango fan and always will be, but Melee’s got underappreciation for this rivalry and defense in general ❤️🔥
@kalarse
Ай бұрын
"Welcome, to a moment in history" got me. Love the bits of Summoning Salt and Secret Base, fueled by Walt's and Walt's team's incredible editing and writing skills. God I've been loving this a lot! Also, it pains me that EVO 2016 was freaking 8 years ago :O
@FacadeVT
Ай бұрын
it's gonna be a good day when walt posts another video, also some of the funniest sponsor readings ive seen
@supernova6049
15 күн бұрын
This was the first set I've ever watched of Melee. It's the greatest set ever played, and is the reason I still love the game today.
@RetroPokemonDepot
Ай бұрын
This set will always be the absolute peak of Melee for me. I will never forget me and a bunch of friends gathering in a basement to watch Evo 2016 top 8. The sheer levels of hype and excitement we had throughout this match were unforgettable. This set may be the greatest level of competition I will ever have the honor of watching
@Kamodomon
4 күн бұрын
Major respect to Armada for getting out of the scene and living his life, to start off. He did a lot in his career and he's one of the best the game has ever seen. BUT I gotta say that I super miss watching these two go at it. They were so willing to do whatever it took to beat the other, it's kinda absurd to think about in retrospect. And they were so far ahead in consistency from the rest of the field at the time. I know people didn't fully like watching them go but I did and it was awesome. They just didn't play the game like everyone else and seeing that was just cool.
@Cowboybebub
Ай бұрын
Man what a rivarly. Thanks for the great video Walt!
@Mekorio
Ай бұрын
Incredible video, Summoning Walt
@benoitmarcotte1104
Ай бұрын
Haven't even watched the vid yet but why haven't more people talked about this!! Truly the most insane story and iconic set ever played
@zazenbo
Ай бұрын
I miss my wife
@array969
Ай бұрын
I miss her too 😔
@Roller610
Ай бұрын
We all do
@benJAMMIN634
Ай бұрын
L
@XxKyle318xX
Ай бұрын
She was a great lay 😢
@ProfessorBjorn
Ай бұрын
Jett main in the making
@DerpySuX
Ай бұрын
“I hope he sees me now” always gets me man. This dude was told by so many people that he wouldn’t make it and he never let that or anything else stop him. Seeing that evo set, his interviews, his passion, he really is Melee to me, in its purest form.
@wampty8298
Ай бұрын
ONE OF THE BEST SMASH VIDEOS EVER!!!!
@grandpatrey
Ай бұрын
you are at the forefront of preserving the history of this amazing game, and i'm thankful every time you post. appreciate you so much!
@somniad
Ай бұрын
these two are my favorite long-time top 10 players, and this video was incredible! I've always admired the way they try to pick each other apart, even though it's not the flashiest. the puff/fox matchup in particular is always so tense and explosive despite being lower on the crazy combos
@JCfromJohto
Ай бұрын
This is shedding serious new light into my favourite Melee sets because of the level of mindgames and miniscule decision-making Hbox and Armada needed to make. Each match uncovered new options and avenues for each and they both ran with it to the best of their abilities at the highest level
@internetpotato8948
26 күн бұрын
debatably the best set in melee history but undeniably the best pop off in melee history. still gets me emotional seeing it as its the culmination of all of hbox's pain, hard work, and dedication to this game and then some (a close second is when hbox passed out on stream)
@Shiradrenaline
Ай бұрын
CRAZY that we're getting so much good stuff from you in such a short period of time. Big ups to everyone who contributed
@kevinguimond7711
Ай бұрын
Wow. I already loved this Melee set, but this doc made me realize even more how this was so important and incredible.
@Jarekthegamingdragon
Ай бұрын
The two sets that stand out above all others are this one, and zain vs mango at summit. Both insane sets, both have a back story to them, both incredibly important to melee's future.
@RyanMcLeanau
Ай бұрын
Walt, this is THE BEST VIDEO YOU’VE EVER MADE! And that’s saying a lot because you have a lot of bangers. This is summoning salt quality. As a HBox fan in 2016 this is my favourite set of all time and this video does it justice. Keep it up.
@illusionSquared
Ай бұрын
Really got to commend the quality of this series so far, awesome stuff
@josiahmacfarlane4344
Ай бұрын
The frame Mang0 got his shield up at the first in person Summit Post-Covid Game 10, Grand Finals was the most money lost in a single frame, so that one takes my vote as the most significant frame.
@brianlemos6487
Ай бұрын
Glad to see a video on this, one of the most underrated sets in the conversation for greatest set of all time.
@Materialist39
Ай бұрын
This really was a great set and has aged extremely well with time.
@GetOffMyLog
Ай бұрын
HMW being so pissed at the time outs is hilarious
@ayzel6688
Ай бұрын
been loving the secret base/jon bois-like editing recently, with the google earth animations on tdfu and the deep rewind style of this video
@hopeiscute4772
Ай бұрын
I love this video and it brought me back to watching a lot of these sets live back in the day. Though at the end when you said "and this is why this should be considered the greatest set of all time." My brain frame one was like "but did you see mango at royal flush though?" Thanks for all the great videos!
@mrmajikjr
11 күн бұрын
EmpLemon's Hungrybox video is still the best Smash documentary.
@boqk
Ай бұрын
To date, this is still my favorite fighting game match ever
@KubPlays
Ай бұрын
Evo 2016 was one of the first big tournaments I remember watching in all of smash and they're some of the most vivid memories I have as a spectator. Staying up past midnight on a school night to watch the whole top 8 but specifically hbox vs armada's game 10 grand finals gave me chills. I'm far more disconnected from competitive smash nowadays since graduating from college, but this grand finals is something I still think back upon fondly from time to time. I never knew most of the history leading up to that moment but now that I do it makes the moment even more historic. Great video
@XinfestedFalcon
Ай бұрын
Love love love the style of video like SB does on the Deep Rewind of “moments in sports history” for this type of video, perfect subject to do it on.
@donkylefernandez4680
Ай бұрын
We've seen HBox's heartrate go well over 120bpm nearly killing himself at 180. Standing up is literally a power play from HBox that Wizzrobe needs to adopt. Like taking your belt of at the buffet, players that have the Blackout Factor literally can't spare any blood in their bodies or they risk passing out from being unable to absorb oxygen.
@TempRawr
Ай бұрын
Always making such analytical and human stories. Thanks walt
@matlit1859
Ай бұрын
I still remember watching that set and talking about it in class the next day--finding out a bunch of people who watched other fighting games pay attention to Melee. Good times
@wasamamaya2010
Ай бұрын
These videos are awesome, thank you Walt
@namechild
Ай бұрын
Loving this new style! Keep it up Walt
@nfisher5685
Ай бұрын
I miss armada bro, hurts to see my gods retire. The new generation is great but the gods and the peak of melee will not be replaced
@beegmacc
Ай бұрын
Thought I was watching an SB Nation/Secret Base rewinder video when I heard "Welcome to a moment in history." Great video as always Walt truly my goat
@luismarioreyes7033
Ай бұрын
I love EVO 2016 Melee Grand Finals
@greatbrandini3967
5 күн бұрын
I never was a big fan of the faster paced matches in Melee. As a kid, I always played against the AI in slo mo mode, and I think HBox's slower, methodical approach always appealed to me. Pretty sure that's why he's always been my favorite Melee player
@myb5558
Ай бұрын
Im glad to see he still has the leather jacket. That thing is iconic
@donkylefernandez4680
Ай бұрын
It still blows my mind to this day that the best Melee player in the world is a Tap-Jumper.
@oui_chapeau
Ай бұрын
still my favorite set ever as someone who watches and follow the scene since 2015
@CrosserxD
Ай бұрын
You really gotta respect hbox growth and passion for this game, the dude went from a melee killer to one of its biggest representatives, he's so fun to watch now
@ChrispyChken
Ай бұрын
Hbox Armada is my personal favorite rivalry from my time watching melee. It never got the praise that I felt like it deserved, so its great to see it get some justice.
@diegoramirez8816
3 сағат бұрын
Seeing where hungry box has dk and seeing dk now is crazy
@CasualScrub
Ай бұрын
Taking a random guess at what the remaining 7 are because I think that'd be fun 1) Mango vs Amsa Big House 10 2) Mango vs Zain Summit 11 3) Axe vs Wizzrobe Summit 8 4) Mango vs Armada Royal Flush 5) Zain vs Cody Shine 2023 6) PPMD vs Leffen or Armada Apex 2015 7) Mango vs Armada Genesis 2 (or 1 or 3?)
@nastynate1956
Ай бұрын
i c ur editing style has improved a lot! using summoning salt music is unique/basseeeddd and what god tier youtubers do fsho 😎😎
@ChronoSquare
Ай бұрын
Back before Brawl, when i tried to do Melee in high school, i gravitated to Puff as my character. That first time Mango beat Mew2King on Corneria was SO DANG HYPE. Made me feel a little bit betrayed to hear he went to Fox later, so HBox was the one for me. I didn't actually follow Melee throughout the years though. Only in the last few have i found these wonderful documentaries on KZitem, on both the games and the players. All the Gods of Melee deserve those titles, plus the ones who weren't around at the time and are just below or now up and coming. If you told me there'd be a Yoshi and DK winning major tournaments back in 2007 I'd call you crazy. I hope Smash doesn't end with Ultimate. I know it probably will never have that same roster given the crazy DLC licenses, but still.
@patrickhamning1734
Ай бұрын
I really appreciate that evo match even more now that I know all this back story
@kinanschannel6016
Ай бұрын
The crazy part is the 17-18 Rivalry is just as good
@john-qp3wm
Ай бұрын
everytime i see that hungry box pop off after he wins evo i get a little teary eyed. its melee and sport at its truest form
@yotsuba_agi
Ай бұрын
I just realized that this is like Rewind from Secret Base lol
@mettataurr
Ай бұрын
it’s hard to watch this whenever the music is iconic to summoning salt
@DOOM-zw7tx
Ай бұрын
I love this series so much
@donkylefernandez4680
Ай бұрын
Melee is represented by the White vs Blue matchup; Fox vs Marth/Falco But the best players in the world were a PinkGreen match up.
@DesTr069
Ай бұрын
23:40 wow… I can’t believe I haven’t seen this shot yet. Iconic
@alejogomez3496
Ай бұрын
Im waiting patiently for an amsa video for this series, please
@yomammasaurusrex9571
Ай бұрын
Great stuff from the gang once again
@bushidobrown9857
Ай бұрын
As someone that is born and raised in las vegas, that is such a dope title shot location
@TheThirdPrice
Ай бұрын
This was great, I hope it does really well!
@ganglyman22
Ай бұрын
I wonder if Armada ever thinks back to Evo 2016 and regrets allowing Hbox to go back to Battlefield for Game 5 of the first set..
@ghostbaleada
Ай бұрын
I love the illustration style of the thumbnail.
@loveislife77
Ай бұрын
@22:21 - this the moment hbox gained many fans. seeing that reaction of overcoming a major foe is priceless.
@Nigglai
Ай бұрын
I miss the Hbox & Crunch Bromance
@nemezis_prime
Ай бұрын
Bro, amazing video, keep it up❤
@a_little_flame589
Ай бұрын
if there is such a set that is the greatest of all time it's this one if my friend is getting into melee this is one of the first sets I recommend it's just so exciting and interesting
@MrKing_MC
Ай бұрын
It's not always the set itself, its the history behind it.
@humanperson001
Ай бұрын
ad read went craaaaaaazy
@WonderMotion
Ай бұрын
shoutouts to Jackie Peanuts for an incredible script here 😤
@milesfernando
Ай бұрын
Why did you change the thumbnail? The art was wonderful
@grashoprsmith
Ай бұрын
bros feeling these docs at this point. S Tier
@LEcarlosGD
Ай бұрын
This is the best melee ever played period.
@superspartan127
Ай бұрын
"welcome to a moment in history" he said the thing!
@jettbeems1919
Ай бұрын
Good lord I love getting baked and watching your videos
@Vagabor123
Ай бұрын
I miss the good old days of melee
@sentientmeat96
Ай бұрын
Previous thumbnail was significantly better weirdchamp
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