Carter quickie release! For ya’ll asking.. we’ll do more with it yet
@landonzimmerman5431
Жыл бұрын
Great video guys!! I came to the same conclusion on releases this elk season and am ditching the handheld. I would love to see some index release comparison videos, especially for the way Dan shoots (pull through style).
@Apollyon-er4ut
Жыл бұрын
Been shooting a Carter for a decade.👍👍
@steven_farmer89
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, good luck on changing releases, I will probably add a strap to my handheld. Can’t wait to see the public land hustle videos.
@kelseymoss1984
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely my favorite release. Try using the middle finger instead of index
@nicholasmenzel8018
Жыл бұрын
Idk why everyone is upset about switching back to an index release. I’ve switched multiple times and the index just makes sense for hunting. Sure the thumb is the new thing and you can claim you’re more accurate. I went to a hinge and then developed target panic. Never had it before then. What works for certain people works.
@kobel9307
9 ай бұрын
I went to a hinge and then back to a thumb. Huge different for sure!
@TimmyTaigen
Жыл бұрын
I shoot the scott talon and love it but I do also like my thumb release
@nicholasmenzel8018
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. What model carter release is this?
@TimConnor13
2 жыл бұрын
Carter quickie
@nicholasmenzel8018
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome man thanks. I had some random thing that popped up as a winner? Was that legit? I didn’t text the code wasn’t sure
@Jbzero999
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to go to a wrist rocket, but my wrist dislocates when I draw from the wrist strap. I keep my hand held in my bino harness haven't had too many issues with it.
@mattpeters9638
2 жыл бұрын
Just use a handheld with a trufire strap
@HuntsT
2 жыл бұрын
Good job guys. Glad to have you back on the dark side. I’ve felt like a leper with everyone going handheld. But I’m a killer and I know what works(at least for me). I run the Scott Silverhorn and it’s about as hot as it comes, but it works for me.
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
Abt
@andrecancilla4901
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been shooting that release for probably 10 years now. I shoot it very well, but might try a stan xtinction next season
@kavak1344
2 жыл бұрын
One of the things I love about bow hunting, is that you never stop learning from stupid, little mistakes! They suck, but I look back at them and chuckle about it. How can you not🤣
@randyhelgeson1254
Жыл бұрын
At least he saw one and had the chance. I haven't even seen one yet. I'm new to hunting.
@Waty8413
2 жыл бұрын
I say use whatever you shoot best with. Anyone who is serious about hunting is going to have situations where the animal just appears and moves through too quickly to make a shot. Can't change your gear everytime that happens. Next time you won't be able to blame the release and you'll want a different quiver. Then your arrow rest will be too fidgety to quickly load an arrow. Then your sight will take too long to adjust. Etc etc etc.
@diggernash1
Жыл бұрын
In my compound days(1990-2000), I was using an old school wide-jawed, index release; directly on the string. If I was in the woods and it was daylight, it was on the string and my wrist. Never saw a reason to take it off. My longest walk was only 2 miles though(in the East). I am jealous of the bows today though. My Jennings was 43 1/2" axle to axle at 83 lb with a 31" draw. Throwing 32" easton 2413s and 2512, resulted in slow rainbows...smooth, but very slow. I think the let off was 55%, so a deer freezing behind a tree sucked.
@chrisstewart655
2 жыл бұрын
If you’re going to run the Carters be sure to keep an extra spring or two in your repair kit. One thing I’d also recommend is not actually gripping the release. Keep your release hand relaxed. Watch Wayne Endicott shoot and you’ll see what I’m talking about. 👍
@TimConnor13
2 жыл бұрын
Wayne is a G
@chrisstewart655
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimConnor13 yes he is 👍
@garedjennings6509
2 жыл бұрын
When you hear the bull coming or anticipate some action going down, first thing you should do is clip that handheld on the d-loop and nock an arrow!
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
In the video - I state that it was hailing / raining and my hands were cold & not working - causing me to fumble with getting my handheld attached. -DS
@caninphx
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure why you keep It in a pants pocket? Side of the bino harness gents. That being said I can understand though the frustration.
@echoscope4278
2 жыл бұрын
You should be able to call in a bull and be ready at the same time.
@jayoglesby9685
2 жыл бұрын
I switched to handheld because I injured my right hand and lost feeling in half of my index finger so It’s hard for me to feel an index trigger release
@steammaker48
2 жыл бұрын
Throw a wrist strap on the wisechoice and wear it like an index
@Desertkitfox93
7 ай бұрын
I switched back to an index release and my accuracy improved. With a thumb release, I had loose groups. With an index release, I stacked arrows on top of each other.
@keith3658
2 жыл бұрын
I had total knee replacement 5 weeks ago. Thanks for all the content. Y'all got me wanting to hobble out to the woods. Soon I hope
@batcreekriders4977
Жыл бұрын
Never got on the thumb or tension hand held releases. First and foremost a hunter, been using a scott samurai for 8 yrs. May upgrade setup next yr. But it's to convenient to have the release there. Can have free hands but it can be grabbed and ready to go quickly.
@88northoutdoors29
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Rock those index releases. Everything you guys said and more is why I never switched.
@mitchmarohl4200
2 жыл бұрын
Just when I go and try a handheld and think it feels great this curveball comes out 😅
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
What ever works best for your situation
@caninphx
2 жыл бұрын
don’t listen to KZitem personalities/etc no offence meant to elk shape but ya gotta do what is right for you. Handheld, index whatever.
@davidyoung1427
2 жыл бұрын
Was playing around with my Cater 2 shot before season and it shoots the same as my thumb button and my hinge releases . Watching this video was a realization that I had a couple months ago, ver coincidental guys! You’re thinking the same way I was a couple months ago for hunting. Keep up the great videos 👍👍👍
@DavidWilson-ss2dy
2 жыл бұрын
appreciate and like the idea for elk, but back east, love having my carter on the string while my bow is hanging waiting on the next whitetail.
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, for whitetail, I'm using a handheld! -DS
@tjdreyer
Жыл бұрын
I want to know how many people bought brand-new index releases after this video... I might have.
@ElkShape
Жыл бұрын
Lol! We wonder too
@chrishall5346
Жыл бұрын
Yupp been there done that, that's another reason I don't use adjustable sight. Fixed pins only and wrist release.
@lspostma
Жыл бұрын
I've been coaching hunters for over a decade to strongly consider the benefits of purpose driven release aids.. handheld for target, "wrist-rocket" for hunting. Not only does speed kill, but it's more likely that you'll misalign your peep and sight if you try to "shoot" or force a handheld release to go off in a hunting scenario than doing the same with an index trigger release, resulting in a bad outcome.
@HondudeTeamMudhogs
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Shultz does archery. Nice
@ericlind3569
2 жыл бұрын
Your first example is exactly why I never keep my release in a pants pocket. I was honestly surprised to hear you say you did that. Seems like a rookie move, which clearly you’re not!!! I love the Sitka mountains bino harness (I know you don’t) and it’s two front sleeve pockets on the front of the side pouches. They’re PERFECT for sliding a thumb release (I actually carry two, one for back up) in those pockets. It’s right there, no fumbling around. If you ran a Nock 2 It or Carter Wise Choice, you could mount an Ivory Holster’s kydex release holster that mounts to any Molle strips.
@cozycare1655
2 жыл бұрын
TRU-Fire hardcore buckle. Set it cold and you can pull through that trigger nice and smooth.
@ragingmoderate6791
2 жыл бұрын
I would just take my carter wise choice and slap a lanyard on it through the convenient lanyard loop, but I suppose while walking that might get annoying if you're in thick brush. Never been elk hunting though so my opinion means precisely dick.
@brettbeato4774
2 жыл бұрын
Give dual caliper releases a consideration as well. In low light situations they’re easier to hook onto the d-loop along with faster as well. I can hook in while keeping my head downrange to keep tabs on the animal etc.. Maybe accuracy isn’t as good, but dual calipers have been my staple for hunting.
@hoythntr00
2 жыл бұрын
There are a bunch of great release holster options, mine lives in an AJB holster on my bino harness, or tethered to my wrist (UV Hinge 2). Pants pocket is not the move, but hindsight is 20/20.
@mtnphysio1440
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha this is great!!! Everyone has jumped on the handheld train and that you can’t shoot as good with an index or that you have to shoot a hinge etc which can’t be any more from the truth! I am a bowhunter and that’s why I switched back. Love my Carter! And if you shoot it correctly it can be very accurate! Nice video!
@matthewbearden251
2 жыл бұрын
I have been using the "WiseGuy" for almost 2 years and haven't loved it. I recently bought the new "Stan SoleX" index release and I am liking it much better. I can actually rest my finger on the trigger and pull thru instead of breathing wrong and sending the arrow.
@bbmas1930
2 жыл бұрын
I just switched to the B3 Hawk after watching Joel Turner talk about index releases. His son shoots one too. He put it up there next to the Like Mike 2 as you can swap out included springs to get a really stiff trigger. You can also adjust travel like the other releases out there but being able to set tension is what makes them unique. I can wrap right around the trigger to the second finger crease without it going off. From there I don't even pull the trigger at all anymore. Its just that pull of your wrist through the strap to get a tension release. I've gone from pretty substantial trigger panic to pretty confident shooting that way. The trigger finger just parks itself around the trigger and just holds that position. I've found the stiffest B3 spring a bit too stiff, sometimes you are expanding and it just will not go off and you feel like you can't draw your wrist through anymore. I have a pretty mangles scapula though and probably dont have the correct form and rhomboid strength to really pull through it like the good guys can. The softer spring is perfect for me. I guess the other positive of the trigger release is that you can punch it if you have to ie windy conditions. But with these new stiff trigger releases you can definitely shoot them by expanding through the shot.
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
B3 is also $$$
@JJ79_
2 жыл бұрын
Our hunting season is mostly with snow and lots of minus degrees temperature so i never saw any other options than index writh strap.
@ep3389
2 жыл бұрын
Just keep your handheld attached to your d loop
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
We talked about that in the vid
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
AND that's exactly how I lost my primary handheld hunting and it sucks leaving expensive releases on the mountain. -DS
@bretheckenberger6044
2 жыл бұрын
Wear it on a wrist strap. It works great!
@gsstyles1
Жыл бұрын
I had an old handheld wrist strap that I put on my Stan Perfx, still shoot my tried and true Jim Fletcher💯👊👊👊
@DialedinHunter
Жыл бұрын
I switched back to an index as well last year. Just way more practical for bowhunting, and if you use it "right," they are just as accurate as handhelds. Stoked to see how these work out for you guys.
@ElkShape
Жыл бұрын
ABT! ✊✊
@rockylopez1371
Жыл бұрын
why not just put a strap on your thumb release . I like to keep my thumb release in my bino harness fits perfectly
@benweber6389
Жыл бұрын
Why does No one talk about the wise guy Keeton? its weird at first but once you get used it......Damn! Try it! love your guys videos. Im pushing for you 100k scribs
@danielroyer1456
2 жыл бұрын
Yep. I've shot quite a few animals with a true ball short and sweet just pulling until the shot breaks. I also shot a doe with a hinge but if you do it right a good wrist strap is the way to go. Take a hard look at the Scott verge
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
ABt
@Orr_s
2 жыл бұрын
You can always just put a lanyard on the release and keep that on your wrist, also can clip onto the D loop like in a treestand but i know thats a major pain having it flop all around on the d loop while moving and possibly noisey. But this jus seems like a vid on how fast things can happen in the woods not about handhelds being wrong for elk hunting lol also mines always in my bino harness side pocket with the thumb barrel sticking out. Love the channel and vids always!
@mikemellon80
12 күн бұрын
i know this is old, but i watched this then looked at your hunting videos from 2023. It didnt look like you used the index release. am i wrong? did you change your mind?
@tylerparker3024
15 күн бұрын
Archery guys are annoying. Who cares what release somebody uses? They all do the same thing people like different things about all of them. Theyre tools just use what you like when you need it. Geez
@garrettlandon
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, I'm running the Carter Like Mike II....you can really crank up the trigger tension on this thing if you need
@DBlakeney29
2 жыл бұрын
Look at the release mounts from advancedoutdoortechnology. They make mounts for the carter releases that go on the front of the bow. My releases is always on the bow ready to go that way.
@shanestout3543
Ай бұрын
I believe use of your realease MAY very depending on the bow and how solid the back wall is.. i have a Hoyt Torrex and there is a little sponge at the back wall and i noticed the timing changes a little when you try and pull through your shot.. so it will change you impact point....
@kylemacdonell1450
Жыл бұрын
The guy in your video at the 6Min mark is actually pulling the release with his index finger.. That my friend is a SLIPPERY slope.
@ChoppingBlockTree
Жыл бұрын
Index for the Win! Sometimes you gotta trigger punch when it goes down quick . When bull fever hits you, your effective range will be cut in half. If your not shaking when the 6 point shows up, you better give your tag to someone else who loves it more than you do! I loved my black gold dual slider this season! Easily sets to 20-40 and the gap for up close stuff.
@kingn00b99
Жыл бұрын
If it’s brown it’s down oh no let me stay inside
@seanlincicome7328
2 жыл бұрын
After 6 months of trying to like a thumb I have switched back to a trigger. I was able to get my old one back from family and my shooting improved instantly.
@outdoorsmanofmichigan3858
Жыл бұрын
Tim Gillingham approved! 🤙🏻
@ColeLewis-ct7kb
Ай бұрын
Always used an index release it’s the best for hunting period. Convenient speedy and accurate. Also what’s the thing called that y’all were using to test your release in the house?
@sarahgoldfarb913
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, my take-away from the season was the key "skill" is quickly pulling all the gear together to shoot when a surprise opportunity presents itself. Can't be digging through your pockets for your release!
@WolfinWolvesClothing713
Жыл бұрын
Yep, I walked into a clearing this season just before a ten point walked in at 40 45, he realized I was there before I could draw. Stared each other down forever, then he turned to keep walking and gave me a shot. If I had to look for a release or even try to get one locked on my string wouldn't have happened. I use a wrist strap with a hook. Just hooked on and drew on him.
@Carrera21
Жыл бұрын
Sorry guys but I stick with my strap release, I will not hunt with hinge,thumb release or back tension, to fancy for me. I put down a Bear at 80” with my Spot Hogg wise guy, I’m very accurate with my strap release don’t need fancy releases. You guys are awesome 👏👏, thank you for all your videos 👍👍
@darronlundy-ml5ne
6 ай бұрын
I love my wrist strap. Problem with it is finding a glove that will work with it. My hand usually freezes. Someone needs to design a glove that would work better with a strap early to late season, left or right-handed, maybe both. Just a thought.
@daxadkins9758
Жыл бұрын
Nothing breaks as clean, consistent, and unknown as my UV2 hinge. Clicks soon as I anchor as I have it set, and takes less than .14 thousands of shot rotation/pull to break. Do you, but. I’ll do me. Hunt with it, shoot indoor with it, and shoot 3D with it. If I have to manually let the arrow go on command I can, but during my normal Shot process… it’s a surprise everytime mainly even after 1000’s of arrows.
@brandonshanks1077
2 жыл бұрын
I lost my hand held this year and had to buy a wrist strap. I bought the Scott echo. Then killed my first archery big game animal and missing and elk with the hand held before that.
@nathansampson4162
10 ай бұрын
How about Dudley’s back strap? Index back tension? Anybody try one? I’ve shot an index for 20 years, I’m interested in the index back tension. Just not sure if I wanna put the cash and than not like it.
@johncarpenter6219
Жыл бұрын
I went full circle starting with an index, spent close to thousands of dollars on different handheld releases from hinge to thumb button. Shot 8 holes on the shop walls, signing all of them…target panic was a “bleep”. I could not get that accuracy I needed for competitive archery. Contemplated hanging it all up, but the Pro I shoot with said go back to the index. I did and now archery is freaking fun again!! My scores have gone up dramatically as well. Currently using a Scott Little Goose, but have a Carter Like Mike 2 on the way.
@brettwelch8368
Жыл бұрын
If your still in love with a hand held, bow decides has native wrist straps that are pretty amaze balls. They hold the release and have an elastic strap to hold the release to your wrist when walking around.
@jessebasile7302
Жыл бұрын
Not quite sure how to say this but I went to full shaft instead of the nylon straps it was quicker to get on my d loop when I was stalking
@jebediahbritt5851
Жыл бұрын
I know y'all are big on Carter, but just for poops and giggles tru a longhorn hex. Best of both worlds, you have a strap and a hinge. Click/no click either or. I had an issue with punching a trigger and the hex shrunk my groups @ 65 yrds by almost 6 in.
@3vo408
15 күн бұрын
The old Fletcher Shorty was my favorite
@dangdang8106
11 ай бұрын
I have always been a stooge like archery to me has never been about money. Like you don't need the best to be good. But recently after years of watching Cameron Hanes and seeing him use the sport high wise guy release for years I thought there has to be something to this....well I bought one and its a ripper its touchy but its so much more comfortable and holding at draw is comfortable letting down the bow is comfortable highly recommend it.
@SandySmith-qd1ku
Жыл бұрын
My son pulls 80lbs hunting Romanian Rusain Boar and he would never use a hand held thumb realeas. he always hunts with strap index finger. keep the thumb button for target. The thumb button has no place in the mountain
@kylefrye6265
2 жыл бұрын
I shoot a UV Hinge Original during the off-season for target, training purposes, etc… but I shoot a Scott Little Goose index while hunting, I customized my index with D-Loop material instead of a hard attachment to wrist strap. This allows me to use my middle finger for trigger and anchor/aim point is identical to hinge, same process pull through shot surprise brake; punch if needed in certain situations! Keep up the good work and awesome content!
@mikemeigs6862
Жыл бұрын
I shoot 60yards confidentof kill shot with a trigger release it’s what I was thought on growing up and i hit taget 100plus yards out all day to be confident at 60 I find a good rule double ur yardage for practice. I hunt thick woods trigger the only way
@cwalter2013
2 жыл бұрын
The original Like Mike doesn’t use a smash spring so don’t have to switch springs or worry about break in.
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
I kinda like that - noted! -DS
@anthonylubic
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing…I really like the B3 hawk
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
So does body & Joel turner!
@joeyfuentes1051
Жыл бұрын
It’s just a release I use a cheap index and kill everything with it not a chance I’ll ever buy a 400 dollar hinge
@mrjaycamoutdoors
Жыл бұрын
And here I am looking to go handheld because my wrist strap won't sit still. Makes my anchor too inconsistent.
@tylereddy5048
Жыл бұрын
That story in the beginning wasn’t the release’s fault. You could have just as easily not had your wrist release on or had your hand release in a better place. All good though, you do you.
@timbow50
2 жыл бұрын
After getting the strap length set I throw a few stitches in it to lock it in place. Been using the Carter quickie plus for years. The thick heavy spring is just too much for me. I like just a small touch of travel, just enough to know my finger is in position. Luckily, I can switch from the Wise Choice to the quickie with no sight changes needed. Took awhile to work all that out but it can be done. Did it on 2 PSE bows and now the Elite Ritual. Another good video guys. Nothing wrong with experimenting- ABT
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
Stitches I like that, thanks for suggestion - tc
@brpnw4r94
2 жыл бұрын
I've also replaced the wide webbing with paracord. A modified prusic through the head and back through the clamp. ZERO torque
@blazingnate2
Жыл бұрын
Dammit, I just bought a handheld, I guess it’s going on Craigslist…I don’t want to be the lame guy at the range with the thumb button.
@KenHicksJr
Жыл бұрын
Your points are the same for whitetail rut. I use joel turner finger position because looping my finger around is problematic for me.
@DieselArcher
Жыл бұрын
Carter wrist straps are comfortable but clunky. I shoot a 2 shot and swapped it to a Scott NCS strap.
@999jbrooks
Жыл бұрын
My wrist dislocates with a wrist strap, so I have to use a hand held. That said I practice a lot of just setting, resetting, and attaching my release
@ElkShape
Жыл бұрын
hand helds are great
@huntingtheshinies4216
10 ай бұрын
I have a wrist strap for my handheld release so that doesn't happen and I can still use my handheld.
@sierraridgereaper
Жыл бұрын
Ive been using a handheld index release since 2001. I still use it everyday. I did go thru a period of bad target panic with it so I use a bt hinge for target practice then switch back to my handheld for my last 3 target shots each session. Wont use anything else..
@Joelramonrojas
Жыл бұрын
So what Cater index release would you guys recommend ?
@riverman4179
Жыл бұрын
Love the content guys! Gotta realize there’s a big leap between grinding in the woods and shootin paper trust I I’ve had the experience too. Good luck this year !
@ArchieRodenbo
7 ай бұрын
OK so how much does that change your point of impact? That's what we want to know.
@dallinwilliams5633
Жыл бұрын
Just picked up a Carter Like Mike, came to the same conclusion this year
@SheepdogConservation
Жыл бұрын
Dan I keep my carter thumb button strapped to my wrist because I’m guilty of losing one clipped to my string.. have you tried the wrist strings they give you? 80% of the time I just keep it in my hand but that does get sweaty so I let it dangle until it clanks something 😂 there’s always a darn trade off huh?!
@SheepdogConservation
Жыл бұрын
Ah shoot just got to the part where you acknowledge the handheld wrist straps!
@brpnw4r94
2 жыл бұрын
Been shooting the RX-1 for hunting. Love my Carter
@thomasolden7482
Жыл бұрын
Why not go buy a wrist strap for your hand held if you feel more comfortable and accurate with one
@SquiresOutside
2 жыл бұрын
Yeeeehaw! Welcome to the dark side brother! 🤘🏼🇨🇦 Hard to find a better elk hunter than your pal, Cam… wonder what he uses 😉 Great vid, takes a man to admit he was wrong about something… a wise man can change his mind. 🏹
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
ABT
@michaelcolthart4006
Жыл бұрын
Y’all know you can get a wrist strap of a hand-held, no?
@stevecrader3479
Жыл бұрын
Takes a lot to make what is arguably a very tough call, strong guys. I shot the RX-1 for years and loved it, still have one as a backup. Problem for me was I had to take my eyes off the target animal to hook it to the D loop, which I can do by feel with my Perfex. Both great releases, and as you guys say, we all have to do what works best for us, but we have to actually tinker to find out what that is!
@ericlee808
Ай бұрын
get the stan axis , thumb release with a wrist strap
@paulvalencia2676
2 жыл бұрын
What is the name of that release you had in the video? Also thank you for all the awesome information you put out there. And I can't wait for the new PLH vids. Thanks
@TimConnor13
2 жыл бұрын
Carter quickie
@paulvalencia2676
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome...thank you
@davidgunderman3968
2 жыл бұрын
I love my B3 Hawk with the flex connector. I can get it nice and short so I can wrap my finger around it. I can also set the trigger heavy so I don't have to worry about it going off with just a touch.
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@chrisochoa1222
2 жыл бұрын
If you really want to improve the wrist strap game make a wrist strap out of diving webbing it does not stretch or move and is a real game changer! Feels identical to a hand held especially if its around the lower palm of your hand and not the wrist!
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
Noted
@fuenstock
Жыл бұрын
Any draw length change between say a too simple and this index finger release? I got a short draw like Dan and don’t want to give up draw length.
@shanedavis6306
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve made the same switch this season.
@250zxSkeeter
2 жыл бұрын
Elk hunting is so difficult because every encounter can be so different. That's why using every method that reduces or eliminates failure points like lost handheld releases! I shoot a Carter evolution and a hinge also, but use a wise choice as well for hunting just to simplify which really is key at stressful moments. Keep up the good work and ABT!
@lostntinz406
2 жыл бұрын
Bout time u came back to the darkside!!
@ruebencaballero9511
2 жыл бұрын
Dan gave Jake a black eye cause Jake wanted to use a mechanical lol. Good video you found a need for something different and explained perfectly why.
@ElkShape
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks RUBE
@jeffeager9779
Жыл бұрын
The old saying simpler is better sometimes.
@stephkeithtoon1974
Жыл бұрын
you could get a hand held and connect it to a wrist strap
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