Ok so about the thing where I suddenly got guests quicker after year 500. As some have pointed out this is probably due to a higher park rating, but the park rating is higher than it should be. In the save files for 2000 and 10000 years the balloon stall somehow got ratings, and its now 0.00 excitement and 9.60 intensity generates another 62 park rating. In the save file in between for 5000 years (not used in the video) it doesn't have ratings, which seems extremely odd but does have an explanation. I only realized I wanted to do 2000 years later on and by that time I had lost the autosaves for 2000 years, so I went back to the 1000 year checkpoint (also unused) and ran it again for another 1000 years. So somehow the balloon stall got ratings between 5000 and 10000 years in the first run and then again between 1000 and 2000 years in the second run.
@Tharronis
4 ай бұрын
Save corruption glitch of some kind? Or some kind of weird edge-case where some buffer overflows and overwrites something it shouldn't..
@Tahngarthor
4 ай бұрын
But what causes it to get stats calculated?
@Bloobz
4 ай бұрын
Could it be it simply because of lag? Because the of the lag the synchronisation is not exactly the same and more guest get stuck.
@P1ankt0nb0y
4 ай бұрын
What happens if you remove and replace the stall while it has rating? if the rating drops and doesn't come back up then we can narrow it down to being related to the calculated age of the stall somehow (and vice-versa).
@Zichqec
4 ай бұрын
Balloon stall 1 looks too intense for me...
@zahnloli123
4 ай бұрын
Guest 23795: "Man this sucks, there is only a balloon stand here. I'm leaving. Why don't you?" Guest 1005: "The thought never occurred to me"
@HappyBeezerStudios
4 ай бұрын
"Every time it comes to my mind, those dazzling balloons catch my attention"
@staticradio724
4 ай бұрын
"I've got to get my steps in, bro."
@familhagaudir8561
Ай бұрын
''Aren't you scared of exploding if you think about leaving the park?''
@mystifoxtech
Ай бұрын
@@familhagaudir8561 "This feels very dystopian" *_explodes_*
@AissurDrol
4 ай бұрын
I think the reason that watching them makes them leave is when you watch a guest for a long time they say something along the lines of: "I have a feeling I'm being watched" and they stop and scratch their head.
@TheOobo
4 ай бұрын
Good intuition, that animation could screw with the timing and desynchronize the stasis-state
@ks_cerealkiller
4 ай бұрын
The Marcel Vos Uncertainty Principle
@chunnin33
4 ай бұрын
Schrodinger's guest
@ambercheshire6881
4 ай бұрын
I think you're right, at least one of the watched guests had that thought pop up not long before leaving
@JNJNRobin1337
4 ай бұрын
wait. thats in the game?
@mjc0961
4 ай бұрын
Leave the computer running for 20,000 hours?! Computer 739: "I want to get off Extreme Heights with only a Balloon Stall 1"
@TheOobo
4 ай бұрын
The ride never ends...
@theuncalledfor
4 ай бұрын
Mr Vos' Wild Park
@frankvandorp2059
4 ай бұрын
It must be so strange to be a guest getting stuck around year 2000, trying to start a conversation with a fellow stuck guest, but finding out you can't understand him because he entered the park during the reign of Emperor Trajan and only speaks Latin.
@Sceptile29
4 ай бұрын
"Salve amicus. Vita est dura"
@Ultimaximus
4 ай бұрын
Well they'll certainly have enough time to learn each other's languages
@HappyBeezerStudios
4 ай бұрын
@@Ultimaximus and the old guest would speak the purest, most correct classical latin ever seen. Well, or it's a moron and he tries to pick up guests with "romanes eunt domus", when we all know that will get him nothing but a response of "romani ite domum"
@rubenvanbelzen1217
4 ай бұрын
At 9:27, the reason why guests leave when looking at them, is because when you look at a guest, they will sooner or later have the thought “I have the strange feeling that someone is looking at me”. When having this thought, the guest stops walking for a brief while, and that stop is enough to get the guest out of the “at stall”rithm, causing them to leave the park Edit: I discovered a typo
@TehButterflyEffect
3 ай бұрын
Edit; you missed a bunch more.
@BroccodiIe
4 ай бұрын
i never would have guessed today i will be learning about the importance of guests' oscillating frequency and phase... RCT science is beautiful
@frtzkng
4 ай бұрын
What Marcel built here is a notch filter, passing (in analogy, letting guests leave) all frequencies except for one or a few specific ones which get blocked (in analogy, get trapped inside the park); the extreme case of a band-stop signal filter.
@Dupletor
4 ай бұрын
The quantum guests, watching them modifies the outcome and forces them to leave. That's genuinely hylarious.
@SomeRandomPersonOnTheNet
4 ай бұрын
My first thought was the Farnsworth quote from Futurama: “No fair, you changed the outcome by measuring it.”
@mopsnuf
4 ай бұрын
Haha
@QemeH
4 ай бұрын
Watching the guests bumps them out of frequency and/or phase... just your average 1999 video game casually simulating Heisenbergs uncertainty principle...
@blackvulture6818
4 ай бұрын
It is only logical, after all SM64 has paralel universes
@shunkurosaki7449
4 ай бұрын
one day itll be just an empty plot or something
@MarcelVos
4 ай бұрын
Maybe...
@christiankhoo
4 ай бұрын
real
@Panzermeister36
4 ай бұрын
"I beat Amity Airfield with only a garbage can"
@PineappleDealer37
4 ай бұрын
He shall beat a scenario with negative land owned
@a_trauma_llama2991
4 ай бұрын
An empty plot with endlessly dancing animals
@CMKpower
4 ай бұрын
That's some cosmic horror. An ancient amusement park consisting of just one balloon stall and a furry walking on a pile of people who believe they're having fun just enough that they'll never feel like leaving. Many people are drawn to it, but most leave quickly, just a few will get stuck forever, becoming immortal in the process as they enter their own personal purgatory.
@TehButterflyEffect
3 ай бұрын
It's interesting. There was a twilight zone episode with a similar plot. The one with the dad who was going to go commit suicide because his daughter died.
@MuffinOrama
4 ай бұрын
What I learned from this video is that not only do guests exhibit wave-particle duality, but that they are also affected by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle; the more accurately we observe their exact position walking back and forth, the less we know about their exact speed&synchronization with game ticks.
@vdqm
4 ай бұрын
Came for silly little coasters, stayed for computer science lectures and cosmic horrors
@twodumbcats390
4 ай бұрын
I discovered the channel this week and it has quickly become a favorite. Hilarious and fascinating content on this classic game and just how deep you can go
@eriklakeland3857
4 ай бұрын
If you haven’t seen his roller coaster that, with improvements, goes from 12 real life years long to longer than the existence of the universe… check it out! It’s one of my favs
@Paintplayer1
4 ай бұрын
Welcome to the rabbit hole lol
@rubenvanbelzen1217
4 ай бұрын
@@Paintplayer1haha I am definitely stuck here. Last week I had some spare time, and I rewatched most of Marcels videos in that time. They are just that good
@heartysquid
4 ай бұрын
Welcome to the cult, here's your balloon.😂👉🎈
@WackoMcGoose
4 ай бұрын
10:30 has the same energy as "Light Speed isn't fast enough, we're gonna have to go to... Ludicrous Speed!"
@doc.rankin577
4 ай бұрын
When you have to use physics terms to describe guest behavior. Marcel just straight up dehumanizes his guests. They are all just particles to be manipulated and im all for it.
@siclan4wild5
4 ай бұрын
Next week "Here's how I beat Diamond Heights without even booting up the game"
@Foxtrot369
4 ай бұрын
The easiest way to beat *_any_* game, is to not play it. But where's the fun in that? 😉
@TheLetterJ0
4 ай бұрын
It's probably possible to edit the game's saved data to tell it you completed a scenario and add the checkmark in the menu. So yeah, that sounds doable.
@Smothtiger
4 ай бұрын
The kind of sleuthing I enjoy the most to watch. exploring potential bugs or quirks and how that can be used to the users advantage.
@mirjanbouma
4 ай бұрын
On the off chance that you play / like / know about Stardew Valley, I recommend BlaDe! He is a programmer who has forgotten more about SDV than most of us know. He often does completely insane things with his knowledge, like proposing to a villager within 3 days of meeting them for the first time or finishing things that normally take about an in-game year within a few days.
@Davtwan
4 ай бұрын
So technically, the guest is in a cyro-state. Never getting hungry, never feeling truly tired, never aging. All they can do is walk and enjoy their balloon.
@TheExileFox
4 ай бұрын
Cryo*
@weatherby2378
4 ай бұрын
They don't buy balloons, so no joy for them. Just walking.
@HappyBeezerStudios
4 ай бұрын
You will look at the balloons and you will enjoy it!
@unfoldingspace8
4 ай бұрын
8:34 Love the Smosh reference there with Keith 😂
@canolathra6865
4 ай бұрын
The fact that 1: this trick requires a specific level of energy to achieve the correct frequency while also being in phase, and 2: that attempting to observe the effect causes it to break reminds me of EM experiments. Just like here, you can create a magnetic "box" that traps electromagnetic radiation of an exact frequency and phase, and they will be trapped forever as long as you keep pouring energy into the magnetic box (otherwise entropy takes over and they lose energy), and while you can know exactly what the frequency and phase are using math the moment you try to read the frequency and phase in the experiment all of the em radiation escapes because reading it changes it.
@nicholasbeck2649
4 ай бұрын
Guests have quantized energy levels and change behavior when observed. RCT guests are photons confirmed.
@AaronRotenberg
4 ай бұрын
Every time I watch a video like this, I keep expecting the Mario 64 file select music to kick in at any moment.
@trolololo720
4 ай бұрын
Pannen and Marcel share the same energy
@NarokathCrimzonAE
4 ай бұрын
So let's look at it from the side and let's look at it from above
@amg7222
4 ай бұрын
If the devellopement team of this game was still active, you would be Chris Sawyer biggest nightmare.
@michaelmoses8745
4 ай бұрын
Bug tester is more likely in all due honesty.
@amg7222
4 ай бұрын
@@michaelmoses8745 He would be their most effective contributor
@PaulCashman
4 ай бұрын
"I REALLY need to use the bathroom after 5,000 years of holding it in, but wait, that entertainer has made me forget everything and I'm happy!"
@glebglub
4 ай бұрын
9:06 never thought I'd see an example of the quantum zeno effect in RCT2 of all things
@SirMrDrProfRick-fq2lm
4 ай бұрын
The fact you guys find new and crazy stuff like this still is so incredible amazing to me. And makes me love this game so much more. They don't make them like the used to
@TheZombiewill
4 ай бұрын
Looking at the guests changes the results. Presence of an observer changes reality. We're in some quantum physics stuff right there.
@robertsullivan4706
4 ай бұрын
It's amazing just how far the understanding of the game can change the way you play.
@greenboots_4661
4 ай бұрын
I love that observing the behavior changes it, like quantum guests.
@Aukejorrit
4 ай бұрын
You cannot keep getting away with this! This is capitalism in the worst possible form. You are morally a terri.....Hey a balloon!
@GamerNebulae
4 ай бұрын
9:05 Quantum peeps have been discovered
@BruceReggieDebbie
4 ай бұрын
We are through the looking glass here people. \(o.o)/ The forbidden knowledge of the universe feels right around the corner. Marcel is ascending into becoming a being of pure RCT knowledge
@RyanEdwardsVA
4 ай бұрын
This is mad genius applied to investigation and I love it.
@JesseFeld
4 ай бұрын
You have founded making RollerCoaster Tycoon a science and now mastered it
@daanwilmer
4 ай бұрын
I kind of want to srt up an old laptop, running RCT, with this scenario, amd let it run to completion without spead-up. I think that's called art?
@MarcelVos
4 ай бұрын
Should theoretically be possible. Two years is a long time, but not impossibly long.
@vincehomoki1612
4 ай бұрын
See you in 2026!
@cattrucker8257
4 ай бұрын
For what it's worth, this is in the spirit of the park, it's pretty darn extreme.
@daemonofdecay
4 ай бұрын
November 2024: “I beat Amity Airfield by doing nothing at all”
@Zelinkokitsune
4 ай бұрын
1:00 That park is using very efficient engineering principals
@phlogchamp
4 ай бұрын
I had no idea you were a Smosh fan! 6:00 - Shayne Topp 6:17 - Courtney Miller 7:07 - Damian Haas 8:10 - Olivia Sui 8:34 - Keith Leak Jr. 8:50 - Noah Grossman
@MintyMimix
4 ай бұрын
Man, Twinleaf Town sure is a lot smaller and more sandy than I remember!
@eduardohenriqueoliveira5082
4 ай бұрын
Bro is literally a RCT scientist at this point
@mirrorsandstuff
4 ай бұрын
Guests have energy levels, phases, frequencies and behave differently if you observe them. Guests are basically electrons, combined with quantum effects.
@Hurricanelive
4 ай бұрын
walking back and forth for eternity in a complete state of orgasmic elation? I suppose there are worse things... like drowning. Or instantaneous combustion on a ride.
@Roman8707
4 ай бұрын
I've been watching a lot of your videos over the past week or so, and I've been enjoying them a lot! Takes me back to me playing the original RCT1 and 2 in the early 2000s. Was(is) one of my favorite games. One thing that has always illuded me was how excitement rating was related to raising guest happiness/energy. I was wondering if you might ever consider making a deep dive into what a ride's excitement actually does as that's never really explained more than "gives guests higher chance to say ride was great".
@carlstenger5893
4 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Great video, Marcel. Thanks!
@L1mJahey
4 ай бұрын
🎶In the year 8192, If peeps are still alive, if balloon stall can survive you will find.....🎶
@bsmith9765
4 ай бұрын
Hey, it's still on theme. Those balloons go extremely high.
@Mrunibro
4 ай бұрын
I wonder if OpenRCT2 could be made to run the game without the GUI. If the render of all those peeps is decently time consuming relative to the tick, it could bring you to the goal in a tolerable time. Then for the last leg you launch an autosave normally and voila. This is really getting in the territory of using games purely as computer programs which are fed input to manipulate the internal state, like the SM64 A Button Challenge. Its really cool!
@IncoherentOrange
4 ай бұрын
They don't see an empty park. They see a clean and tidy park with nothing in it. Big difference, I'm sure.
@radrezi
4 ай бұрын
this is great! but why is that one guest named Nudist
@lazykatie42069
4 ай бұрын
lol I see what you did there, naming the guests after Smosh members
@Wolfburns
4 ай бұрын
Balloons really do make people wanna stick around. I wonder how many guests had their hair standing up from static lol
@piano42
3 ай бұрын
Pro tipp: You should use headless integration tests (against the source code) instead of leaving your computer running all night. It's also much faster. Also, did you heard of agent-based model and multi-agent systems? That is what you are actually doing but without automation. PS: Did you also hear from TAS (Tool Assited Speedruns) for SMW? This is more like end2end testing but simular thing. But since the source code is available...
@TS_Mind_Swept
4 ай бұрын
If you had made them green, then you could say Luigi won by doing absolutely nothing LUL
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK
2 ай бұрын
Guest 241543903: I don't get it. This park has been running for thousands of years, and all it has is a balloon stall. Why are there so many people here? Guest 1337: Thou may findeth our ways strange, young one. But through them we have achieved eternity.
@thethunderbird4844
4 ай бұрын
i feel like this one tile path strategy changed rct2 forever
@Celastrous
4 ай бұрын
I knew my EE degree would one day help with RCT 2
@martinligabue
4 ай бұрын
In physics, the observer effect is the disturbance of an observed system by the act of observation.
@fromthegamethrone
4 ай бұрын
Next Marcel video: can you beat Forest Frontiers while the game isn't even installed
@claudetheclaudeqc6600
4 ай бұрын
oh, watching the guests might trigger the though "I have the strange feeling someone is watching me" and they stop when having this though
@zbigniewchlebicki478
4 ай бұрын
One must imagine Guest 1005 happy.
@RevJacq
4 ай бұрын
Balloon stall 1 looks too intense for me
@arandomperson12345
4 ай бұрын
Wow. This is some pannenkoek-level nonsense. Well done.
@jwhite5008
4 ай бұрын
I was not expecting standing wave, phase and such things discussed in RCT video... interesting...
@PSChrisDC
4 ай бұрын
Marcel is to RCT what Neo is to the Matrix. I'm sure he also sees the raw code instead of graphics
@Artaresto
4 ай бұрын
This is fantastic
@SemiHypercube
4 ай бұрын
One day he'll beat a scenario with nothing or by doing nothing (actually I think he's already done those)
@michaelmoses8745
Ай бұрын
Indeed. The do nothing challenge is a thing that exists.
@Hanmacx
4 ай бұрын
They are in Sync with the Universe 😅
@wastedbread8036
4 ай бұрын
my kind of park
@SyntheticWitch
4 ай бұрын
it could be a "fun" project to have a computer with the game running on it with this setup, and just leave it running at 1x speed for 2 years, streaming the game to twitch. Call it the RCT2 Extreme Heights Slowrun World Record. Just gotta hope you never experience a power outage or anything like that during those 2 years
@PhilipMurphyExtra
4 ай бұрын
RCT KZitem videos are always lovely
@BeefIngot
4 ай бұрын
We surely are getting to the end stages of finding tricks like this. One of these days someone will figure out how to do this with just the one tile, a rubbish bin and a bench, and that'll be it. RC2 will be finished. 100% completion.
@nicknevco215
4 ай бұрын
That is a quantum guest
@JeffGoldblumsChest
4 ай бұрын
Schrodinger's guest: simultaneously leaving and not leaving the park
@jasmijnariel
4 ай бұрын
18.000years😂 cave men next to people with jetsuits😂
@HazmanFTW
4 ай бұрын
Welcome to the -Hotel- Theme Park California
@The2econd3vil3xes
4 ай бұрын
Huh. Wouldn't have tapped Marcel as a Smosh fan, lol
@lilwyvern4
4 ай бұрын
Is advertising not available in that scenario? If it is, that could probably shorten the time significantly with the increased guest generation.
@aeolus7762
4 ай бұрын
Boy, those names are quite... smoshing.
@juliantheivysaur3137
4 ай бұрын
i have to ask, building while the game is paused... is that an openrct feature?
@soogymoogi
4 ай бұрын
Guests are electrons. Holy shit. I wonder if you could legit run some kind of atomic simulation with rct2 ala the calculator 😂
@emmata98
4 ай бұрын
10:48 you should have done prime numbered years^^
@heartysquid
4 ай бұрын
Balloon Stall 1 is great value!
@L2Lipread
4 ай бұрын
Couldn't you look away from the guests to reduce lag so the speeding up works still?
@MarcelVos
4 ай бұрын
I did look away when doing the run.
@DogsRNice
4 ай бұрын
I beat every scenario using the "win scenario" button
@blake1346
4 ай бұрын
How does this interact with guest cap?
@uploadsnstuff8902
4 ай бұрын
Can we appreciate the quality of content without having paid ad segments in the video?
@Retroist2024
4 ай бұрын
isnt roller coaster tycoon 1 and 2 were programmed in Assembly code? Why the C++ code?
@YpipY
4 ай бұрын
I spotted the hidden easter egg, it was very good :)
@eeweeweew
4 ай бұрын
Why didn't you use the RCT1 scenario Arid Heights for this? It has a guest goal of 2000, so it can be properly beaten this way.
@MarcelVos
4 ай бұрын
Because Extreme Heights is much more iconic and recognizable.
@mickearrow8035
4 ай бұрын
I discovered other random bug when play the original game. I think that was not legal copy. But it happens when start the computer after it has been turned off for the day the game still running so it had done several years over the night.
@SteverenoOFFICIAL
4 ай бұрын
Wait, you arent going all the way? Does this mean Marcel doesn't have a dedicated RCT testing computer!?
@KarelCudej007
2 ай бұрын
Quantum guests
@SlingshotFooty
4 ай бұрын
I wonder what Chris Sawyer thinks of all this!
@pikmin_79
4 ай бұрын
Extreme Heights Balloon Fest 24'
@Mylittleponyplushies
4 ай бұрын
OK I have a super large park people get lost I don’t wanna resort to drowning because it’s high maintenance is there a way I can build exits In my park that people can leave who are lost the problem is once they leave they’re stuck so is there a way I can build an exit that they can go out of that they can drown That way I can generate new guests
@Pizzaboy609
4 ай бұрын
Can you beat extreme heights without opening RCT2/OpenRCT2?
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