Don't change the motor I'd like to see you completely rebuild this car, I love disaster rebuilds
@HARVEYBENNETT-p4f
Жыл бұрын
Rebuild the engine, or obtain a 2nd hand 348 Engine & change the colour to Ferrari Yellow & restore the car.
@sl5946
Жыл бұрын
@@HARVEYBENNETT-p4f Full engine out rebuild, down to the bare block. I'd watch a 5 part series of that
@noth606
11 ай бұрын
@@sl5946 That'd be a bit longer than 5 parts, since at that point you'd be best off doing the whole dang car properly from A to Z, full strip, mediablast, start from base coat etc, rewire with proper cables and so on. Personally I'd prefer seeing it pepped up and modernized a bit, by which I mean shocks, electrics, engine management, filters, oil, honed/ported etc. Probably exhaust, intake, injectors, cams,
@sl5946
11 ай бұрын
@@noth606 The more parts the better, I love watching Scott's videos
@The_BenboBaggins
Жыл бұрын
I'm all for modified motors, but such an original car deserves to be restored imo
@The_BenboBaggins
Жыл бұрын
@@jbphilly1234 it might sounds strange, but that's exactly what attracts me to cars like these - perfectly flawed and faulty! The reliable efficiency of German and Japanese cars is genuinely off-putting to me!
@Felice_Enellen
Жыл бұрын
@@The_BenboBagginsAs someone who owns an NA1 NSX I have to tell you, you don't know what you're missing. The reliability to be a daily driver without massively-deep pockets and a spare car to drive when your baby is in the shop half of the time is wonderful.
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24
11 ай бұрын
It's a pile of shit, probably cost more to restore than it would be worth.
@burville100
Жыл бұрын
You say it was possibly a tsunami car??? Have you checked it for radiation.... It could be a Fukushima car??
@anthonythomas9456
Жыл бұрын
If its from Japan and you think it maybe a tsunami car I would check it from radiation?
@Czechbound
Жыл бұрын
I think I'd get a Geiger Counter out to it. Does it glow in the dark when the sun goes down ? #fukashima
@rolexmd69
Жыл бұрын
I love the old 348’s. One of my top 5. I think all you commenters complaining about subs and what Scott buys, starts, finishes, whatever….. need to just chillax and let the man do what he does. Scott doesn’t need our input people. He’s got this all by himself. Scott, do what you gotta do amigo. Most of us loyal viewers will be back for every video either way. Keep up the magic dude. Paint the 348 blue sera.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
thanks buddy, kind words
@albertoalmeida3424
Жыл бұрын
Dude, if you keep buying old Ferraris every week, you will never end any of your projects.
@rodrigo_realestate
Жыл бұрын
The hunt is just as fun as the build
@SteveLevin-qk4or
Жыл бұрын
I agree all I want to see is this bb back together
@jimzucker
Жыл бұрын
he doesn't care. Everybody's telling him since years. He's just after the dopamine hit. By now he could have had a garage and a million sub probably if he was closing projects and being consistent.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
@@rodrigo_realestatevery true
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
@@jimzuckerit’s a lovely hit
@ingocernohorsky
Жыл бұрын
Have you checked the car with a Geiger counter?
@arconcritter
Жыл бұрын
Such an odd combination of issues 😂 Missing engine parts with the engine still installed but so many interior and exterior bits that you would’ve expected to be long gone. Would love to know the story of how it came to be in this state. I think a proper recommissioning of the Ferrari engine is what this surviver deserves ❤
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Tell me about it
@daquifsta
Жыл бұрын
It's worth a couple of hours throwing your blown up engine back together so it looks ok in an out-of-focus photo for a buyer halfway round the world!
@peterschancel7223
Жыл бұрын
@@Ratarossa Ford Turbo Eco boost swap. Find Wrecked Focus ..
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24
11 ай бұрын
It was bieng parted out by the previous one it seems.
@cogboy302
Жыл бұрын
Any cars being exported from Japan since the tsunami have to be checked for radiation contamination to ensure they haven't come from the Fukushima region. If the radiation levels are above a set limit they aren't allowed to be exported.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Interesting to know
@JamesSmith-si2cz
Жыл бұрын
348, so under appreciated. Regret selling mine. Scott - turn it into a 348 Challenge. I dare you 😂
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree its under appreciated, such a great driving car
@AdamC3046
Жыл бұрын
I was about to say "I'll take it" But... maybe not
@manisbho
Жыл бұрын
Heartbreaking to see how tough a life it seems to have led....
@briand7381
Жыл бұрын
I agree, fix it up. Either go K swap, or find a cheap Maserati with a Ferrari engine. Sucks somebody snagged the bits.
@Greig300
Жыл бұрын
Restore it back to original. Shouldn’t be anything else. Great video as usual 👍
@michaelstark5426
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a F136 Maserati engine in that car. That way you keep a Ferrari-manufactured engine in it with much more power and torque. These are also much more obtainable and reliable than the Dino F131 V8.
@BERZERKERSV4
Жыл бұрын
Part it out.. put the $$$ towards the BB
@ronkemp9528
Жыл бұрын
Put an LS in it. It will run forever.
@details78
Жыл бұрын
My all time favorite Smoking Tire video was from 2014 when Matt reviewed the 600hp Twin Turbo 348 Challenge car. A build that started with a rough car that had been sitting outside for a while and ended with a sub-3 second, flame spitting monster. The Ferrari model that many snobs disrespect became the ultimate sleeper. I'd love to see something like this with this build. If it's economically feasible. And one of these projects painted in British Racing Green. 😄 kzitem.info/news/bejne/l4GX0IBtpJ6moHY
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
that was epic I remember talking to Matt about it when we filmed here in the Uk on my cars
@cliftonbrown911
Жыл бұрын
I think most of us would part out this one but then again it wouldn't make KZitem content. 😎
@squareyes1981
Жыл бұрын
You can use black acrylic spray paint to restore your carpet. They’re often acrylic themselves so it binds perfectly
@Gdemon19
Жыл бұрын
Put an alfa romeo Busso v6 in it! Love the content amazing work
@DavesDiscoveriesChannel
Жыл бұрын
Oooosh that poor car was painted by a cowboy 🫣 As it’s come from Japan, maybe you should wave a Geiger counter over it quick 😂
@ism671
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking that...
@hf7188
Жыл бұрын
In an ideal world, this is a perfect candidate for a restomod, putting a 458 or 488 engine in it, and bring the rest to the 21st century.... but, in the real world, i think i would part it out and use the money for funding the F40 build.
@edwardsfamily6184
Жыл бұрын
Get an original 348 engine for her she needs a full restoration man get the Ferrari back on the road Ratarossa you gotta do it
@SpawnyWhippet
Жыл бұрын
Do it giallo yellow. And actually I am surprised that you don't have 50% of the mechanical parts needed to rebuild this already in your garage!
@mlx564
Жыл бұрын
Love it! Love seeing the way you breathe life into what looks to us mere mortals as irredeemable! Can’t wait for the next instalment!
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Yay! Thank you!
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Yay! Thank you!
@yesimhuman
Жыл бұрын
This car looks like a perfect candidate for a race car build.
@neilhurt1992
Жыл бұрын
OMG Scott, you are a very brave (optimistic?) man! What on earth happened to this car? Neglect like this should be punishable by electrodes to the private parts.....Good luck with this in old chap! 😎
@brocco4071
Жыл бұрын
💯
@thenaturecreater8906
Жыл бұрын
Proper auto KZitemr. 15 car projects on the go!😂 love the content. But please don't make it electric. I will send Clarkson to your door and he will slap you silly 😂
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha Toyota MR2 engine it is then
@thenaturecreater8906
Жыл бұрын
@Ratarossa no that's boring. What about putting the engine from the car of the year from the ferrari is. That ragdolled the ferrari of the time around in it. The famous LT5 engine!
@RichardRoger1966
Жыл бұрын
Wow, they saw you coming. Given how much you did for the BBi and other projects, I believe you are capable of restoring it. But is it worth it? Personally, I'd take the loss on it and strip it down as a parts car, sell it off. Help other people clear their own Ferrari headaches. You still have a lot of big projects on the go, not the least of which is that beautiful gleaming white stallion! And the original Rattarosa... Which again I WOULD restore and potentially sell for a bloody mint! (Money for other projects? New property with more garage space (as per Tyler Hoover)?
@flippingcarsrepairs
Жыл бұрын
Scrap it
@TheMentalblockrock
Жыл бұрын
I agree, with just the body work, it's a viable restoration, but with engine parts missing and all the gearbox internals and drive shafts gone, it's beyond saving and best broken for parts. the body could be used to re-shell a written off 348. Disagree on the Ratarossa, that is a unique car and the hero car for this channel.
@neal207
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully it's not a Fukushima car that escaped quarantine! Time to borrow a Geiger counter. Love 348s! Hopefully it will be restored to it's former glory. It needs the bottom portion spayed black for the red/black combo!
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
yes many had that lower skirt in black on the very early cars
@Eatongee
Жыл бұрын
Love the side profile of the 348. The short distance from the door to the back bumper just looks so cool!
@julianhoskins5158
Жыл бұрын
It's a no brainier, break it for parts. The engine and gearbox issues is the decider
@chooch_fiesta
Жыл бұрын
Build it into a replica Ferrari Enzo Prototype car.
@godchi1dvonsteuben770
Жыл бұрын
That 430 won't appreciate like that 348 will.Those 348's are poised to skyrocket during the next generation. When Gen Z hits their 30's and 40's, the 348's will be six figure cars... So will the 430's, but how much more does it cost to get, and restore a 430, versus a 348??? The better money is in the 348...
@DutchGuyXXX
Жыл бұрын
Have you taken a good look at the car? Does it glow in the dark? 😄It could very well be that this car is still radioactive. Check it with a Geiger counter.
@psansom
Жыл бұрын
The sparkle on the camera looked suspiciously radioactive
@JAYREAD
Жыл бұрын
Great new project, great video! Thanks chap!
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@arnoldland4864
Жыл бұрын
Maybe this is a Fukushima area abandoned Ferrari 😅
@alperegrine3979
Жыл бұрын
I would recommend you run a Geiger counter over it. Remember it isn’t just Tsunami’s that Japan is know for. Good luck on this one though…. Be great to see what you can do. I’d put a V8 in it!
@matejpotoma3390
Жыл бұрын
WOOOAH I liked a lot. ITS nice. Bro you need bigger shop or garage where you park your italian cars. And do your project.
@idesignyou...9257
Жыл бұрын
Not quite the same condition as your 348 spider back in the day! 😀
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
My first Ferrari mate. 348s are great cars … this one though might be a different story
@idesignyou...9257
Жыл бұрын
@@Ratarossa Always remember that spin up the bypass! 😀
@TerryDeSimone
Жыл бұрын
*** - NO.. sell the Tesla.. use that money to buy the parts to restore it... then sell it & use that to fund the F40 project 😃.. You never said *WHY* you couldn't use the frame/engine for F40 ?? And you shoulda removed the engine and cleaned the engine bay out, so they coulda painted that as well... then fixed up the engine while it was in paint... so we can keep the videos rollin 😉
@IglesiasRaul7895
Жыл бұрын
My great advice is to sell it in parts and you will make much more money than fixing it. You allocate that money to F40
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
I do agree but I just cant bare to strip them when they can be put back on the road
@mbrash9427
Жыл бұрын
Some cars are not worth restoring.
@leeclark6970
Жыл бұрын
A 348 was the first Ferrari I ever drove ...please don't break it for parts! If the engine and gearbox are toast and not financially viable then a small block chevy is the way forwards I suppose, but rather see the proper engine in there...can't you steal the engine from Mat Armstrongs Ferrari? Lol
@aldocastiglioni
Жыл бұрын
I'm really sad to see a Ferrari reduced like this. However, my thought is that you could give it the same work you are doing on the 512BB. Bringing it back to like new might not be very economically convenient, but seeing it shine again would be wonderful, as would following the whole restoration on your channel, which I love!
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
It’s a really cool idea. I need to cost it all up. But I’ll mention this in the next video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@benbennit
Жыл бұрын
All Ferraris look like this very quickly. It's a FIAT option.
@jimcabezola3051
Жыл бұрын
I've no doubt you'll bring this up to a high standard. I just hope you can afford the TIME. We, your audience, will never lack for inspiration. You'll never lack from our encouragement. Aloha.👍👍
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy
@GazLock-f5k
Жыл бұрын
Surely you break the Ferrari down to recoup your outlays.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
I really could do that and most likely make more money. But I really hate to break them apart when they can be fixed
@thenaturecreater8906
Жыл бұрын
@Ratarossa I feel you brother. Sad to see this fine automobiles the parted out
@markscarborough1018
Жыл бұрын
I bet it'll stay red otherwise you'd have to strip & paint the whole lot for a colour change. That said, I'd like to see it come back yellow 💛😎
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Yellow does look great on 348
@markscarborough1018
Жыл бұрын
@@Ratarossa Maybe this could be the Ferrari you actually 'Rat'? Strip the paint, make it rusty all over like at lot of folk do in the VW Audi crowd. Bag it so you can park it with crooked / slammed suspension. Ratty Rusty Rossa!
@godchi1dvonsteuben770
Жыл бұрын
Targa, with the black prancer??!? Restore that thing, tuck it away for a few years, or make it a show/weekend car, but getting it cheap with those options, and a clean history?!? Restore that car, it's got everything going for it!!
@Anders_HeymSR30
Жыл бұрын
What a bloody nightmare! Part it out, get rid, this is just a basket case!
@andrewlaw
Жыл бұрын
Agree 100%, it's a dog.
@chrisrawle2967
Жыл бұрын
Depends on what the buying price was - much of this work would need doing any way. It doesn’t really matter if the paint is really bad vs bad if you are going to paint it some with leather etc
@TheMentalblockrock
Жыл бұрын
I agree, with just the body work, it's a viable restoration, but with engine parts missing and all the gearbox internals and drive shafts gone, it's beyond saving and best broken for parts. the body could be used to re-shell a written off 348.
@pikeg123
Жыл бұрын
Take the 348 to @Electricclassiccars and convert it to Tesla power like their Testarossa.. Crazy fast and future proofed.
@pjspowerwashing
Жыл бұрын
I slapped my head, hard!! when I saw the turbo nozzle fire up, before it hit the paint work….all part of the plan I guess👍
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
That paint was seriously to far gone, Owain did me a favour removing some with the pressure washer
@JureŠujica
Жыл бұрын
About those steering wheels... they are generic momos. You might find it in mazda 323f etc and just put ferrari cover on
@novasportregister8685
Жыл бұрын
Great to see you saving another one and not going down the route of cashing in and breaking it up for parts. Loved the Spyder build and seeing that done, enjoying the 512, but this is what Ratarossa is all about, buying a rough diamond unseen from overseas and fixing it up.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@Elberoth
Жыл бұрын
Putting a non-ferrari engine would make the car worthless (basicly not worth the $$$ needed for a rebuild). Personally, I would turn it into an electric.
@ferrynpalmer3875
Жыл бұрын
Electrification makes complete sense in this scenario. It'd be beautiful and a fantastic daily, dead reliable, and fiscally sound. Plus the how to involved would be a gold mine. Do it!
@ThriftMachine
Жыл бұрын
F355 wheels look great on 348 . Here in the states we had the Jeep Grand Cherokee with identical wheels
@conniebenny
Жыл бұрын
Another project to keep you busy, Scott? You're a glutton for punishment! Mind you, the 348 is a very pretty car. It's really grown on me over the years, so it would be great to see this one restored to its former glory. I don't really think an electric motor or an MR2 engine should be anywhere near a Ferrari though, so if you're going to restore it rather than break it up for parts, I hope you opt for 'full Ferrari' 🙂. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing this project progress.
@jonathanwheatley1424
Жыл бұрын
There’s a yellow modded one that someone reviewed in the states and it was SOOO much better looking than a 355, just a few tasty mods completely changed the car.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
yes i remember that... I think it was my buddy Matt Farah on Smoking Tire that reviewed it !
@sp4nkz0r
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see you build a track car out of this one. A suitable engine swap and a livery. Sell of your original parts for a profit and make something you can have fun with
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Now that’s a pretty cool idea. Hadn’t really thought track car !!!
@MrJunf
Жыл бұрын
You're going to need a huge place to store those whole lot of prancing ponies, @Ratarossa
@sp4nkz0r
Жыл бұрын
@Ratarossa You're welcome. And perhaps, if you want to upset the whole Internet (and beyond), make it a diesel 😈
@TheBerzerker666
Жыл бұрын
It’s a no brainier,sell it for parts,sometimes old scrappers,regardless of who manufactured it,deserve to go to the great scrapyard in the sky
@unavailable8681
Жыл бұрын
360 engine & box will fit, right? Might as well go faster while you're at it. And maybe some brake and handling upgrades? Aparently the early ones handle badly, but the later ones are updated, but I'm sure you know more about that.
@mattfritch6375
Жыл бұрын
What about a dedicated track car? You can always K24 swap it like the Stanceworks 308 time attack car.
@paulclaisse6732
Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work. Brave man.
@bymohenski
Жыл бұрын
I hope you choose some shade of modern white Ferrari color, that matches the black leather interior and go bold with some big screen 9-inch Android unit! Bring this SURVIVOR to 2023, I'm sure it would be one of a kind and it would look just perfect.
@patrickhostler5939
Жыл бұрын
Man, you sure do like a ‘made to measure rod for your very own back’… THAT is a project… but, seeing the frustration, hair tearing and sheer pain of the build makes for great entertainment for us lazy so n’ so’s sitting back and watching your brilliant films!!!❤
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@suecobandito8954
Жыл бұрын
Good project. Electrolysis. Bane of British cars too. LS swap. Good luck.
@michastoute1050
Жыл бұрын
It would be hilarious if you put a Viper engine in it but seriously it would be great if you can find parts for the engine for a reasonable price. U wish you good luck with this project and can't wait to see what you going to do.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Cool idea
@Back_Road_Hero
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure you’re heading this way but one word, “Teslarrari”. Keep up the hard work. Cheers. Ed
@billvanderpol
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see this one EV swapped but done in such a way that it can be reversed if that ever becomes an issue. Restoring that engine and transmission is going to cost a fortune. Maybe a little trip to Electric Classic Cars in Wales to get some pointers from Richard?
@hoost3056
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, you said "cheap" and Ferrari in the same sentence. Just like messing with a woman you know belongs to the streets.
@JallyTee
Жыл бұрын
With all that space up front it could fit a lot of batteries, stock looking 348 but rapid fast electric power would be fun. Or a Honda engine (k24) like the Ferrari 308 at StanceWorks.
@milothetinker
Жыл бұрын
I would go back original but if that’s not possible, I’d stuff a Lambo motor in there to upset the purists
@ThanassisBB
Жыл бұрын
We believe in you! Please try to restore her properly!
@ThanassisBB
Жыл бұрын
👍
@richardmartinez4145
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely a part out car. Restored to original and you just have a newer Mondial. Not worth the time.
@macdapimp83
Жыл бұрын
348 is one of my favourite ferraris. When I see the 355 it doesn't have the same appeal and it's essentially only minor changes but what a difference it makes. Definitely didn't get ripped off there and at least it's red not yellow.
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
They have really grown on me in the last few years ❤
@macdapimp83
Жыл бұрын
@@Ratarossa for me the 288gto is my number 1 but 348, testarossa/512 & f40 are definitely very close
@Mrmartins345
Жыл бұрын
Well good for you hope it makes the little fella down there look bigger. but one could find a million other things to buy than a clapped out ferrari but good luck though👍
@Ebil-One
Жыл бұрын
With the engine and box like that I’d have parted it out, but watching someone else make it run again… priceless
@BM-pp3tr
Жыл бұрын
do NOT put an MR2 engine into that Ferrari.
@rugu6869
Жыл бұрын
So many project cars Scott. Lots of mechanical work to be done. I'm guessing with it being sent off for paint you've figured out the powertrain issue (rebuild or replace). GL and can't wait for the final BBi video and the F40 build!
@Ratarossa
Жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy
@akros9333
Жыл бұрын
1UZ FE ....easily can get 450hp out of it and it sounds amazing
@eliotmansfield
Жыл бұрын
Just in case someone else tries it - that was a “turbo” or rotating nozzle on the pressure washer and it can easily strip the paint on your car - use an ordinary nozzle. Turbo nozzles are great on block paving mind.
@Bobajobbob007
Жыл бұрын
Didi it come from Fukashima?
@pollatso
Жыл бұрын
Love a good project.👍👍 MASERATI engine & box ?????!
@mikkelsrensen1077
Жыл бұрын
Out of curiousity, what would be the purchase value of a car in this state? How cheap is a cheap Ferrari?
@bongdelonge8668
Жыл бұрын
90s Ferrari's are in my opinion the best looking. I say definitely get a replacement 348 engine. The cost of a swap would run within a couple of grand of an actual replacement engine and would effect the value significantly. Feels like the car is too complete to turn into a track toy.
@adriansmith8555
Жыл бұрын
Have you seen the stanceworks Ferrari on KZitem with the Honda k series in? K swap it?
@stephencharlesworth2231
Жыл бұрын
Unless it was free, struggling to see how it's worth rescuing this one. A fantastic restored one was on eBay for £50k last week and went unsold.
@TheMentalblockrock
Жыл бұрын
agreed, the missing parts and re-spray could easily come to £50k.
@plumpii7177
Жыл бұрын
Breaking seems a waste, so some tlc and you can sell someone the dream.... its currently a nightmare..
@TK-11538
Жыл бұрын
You Brits pronouncing “leather” and “lever” the same. :P
@dannyrighi
Жыл бұрын
Ls swap it then for the carpet buy clothes dye spray bottle hot water spray the whole carpet and job done just like new
@cwakadrake
Жыл бұрын
Considering the condition I kinda gues that the car is from Okinawa, that would explain why It got bleached in the sun and also the rusting on the sill plates (nice fresh salty island air). It probably got bought during the economic boom in Japan and abandoned after that for years when the economy collapsed. This car deserves to be saved in it's original condition however putting a 3SGTE engine it without modifying the structure is also a very cool option and kinda an homage to where the car spend most of it's life. And if done properly you could always convert it back to the original engine anyway.
@gordonmackenzie4512
Жыл бұрын
Ye get Moggy to help do a Tesla swap. He has been swapping Teslarossa’s recently.
@ianmangham4570
Жыл бұрын
For fastest resale/fun project I'd turn her ELECTRIC 🤠🙏 🌩⚡⚡
@iandalton3839
Жыл бұрын
I'd break that one for parts and cut your losses, too much to do IMHO.
@connormaishman8278
Жыл бұрын
Definitely E.v be far more desirable than a mr2 and beats the ulez BS
@Alfierk
Жыл бұрын
Whatever you do please do NOT electrify it! I'd rather see it crushed
@curvs4me
Жыл бұрын
V12 from an FF is the obvious choice 😂. They are roughly the same money or less than a 458 motor which is less than a 348 motor. Syvecs can source the ECU to run everything V12. Kotouc or X-Shift can sort the sequential gearbox. definitely helical cut gears. Straight cut is obnoxious for street use. Will be 1/10 the weight of an FF dual clutch. Not to mention you'll get a clutch pedal that you only need to take off.
@curvs4me
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Big enough channel now they might could do collab on a hypercar killer wide body 348¿?
@stemartin1726
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Fix the rattarossa this can be the new one don’t change the engine in its try and source engine parts and gearbox be a shame not to get it back running
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