Adding lubricant to a stud/lug reduces tread friction and can cause an over torque condition. This is how studs become over torqued and potentially stretch the fastener. If you stretch it you charge the pitch of the threads, thus negating the original intent. Plus it gets everywhere and makes a huge mess! 😜 This assumes that the installer didn’t reduce the specified torque value to compensate for the lube) Do we really want 100lb lug nuts torqued to 60lbs WITH lubricant on the threads? I think not!
@rockyourworld5374
2 жыл бұрын
Or worse 155lbs ft on 100lbs ft stud and nut. Then exceeding the elastic limit of the steel.
@philllsxga.7737
2 жыл бұрын
And can cause them to come lose from vibration...
@Pete-in-Essex
2 ай бұрын
Never assume!
@roynichols5212
2 жыл бұрын
As a retired mechanic you are 100% correct. I do use it on the mating surface of where the rim goes over the hub. It's great for that. Anti seize has its place, just not for lug nuts. Keep up the good info.
@MannyAguilarJr
2 жыл бұрын
I do the same
@Synic08
2 жыл бұрын
I call BS... been putting it on studs for literally my whole life....
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't a single person here as a fkg thing about your opinion so stop wasting your time giving it Happy Easter
@1marcelfilms
8 ай бұрын
anti seize and 70% of torque never failed me
@SALEEN961
2 жыл бұрын
The worst part about anti-seize isn't that it's difficult to clean or that it gets everywhere, it's that almost no one seems to know where it does and doesn't belong.
@Enonymouse_
2 жыл бұрын
Stuff spreads like a twisted form of honey, getting it off your hands if your unfortunate enough to not use gloves to apply is a very unpleasant task. It's gross stuff, I use it only in certain areas but learned a long time ago it's uses are extremely limited.
@videomaniac108
8 ай бұрын
I first chase and clean the threads and then spin a small nut of the appropriate size along the whole length of the stud to check for binding due to bolt stretch. If everything is good, I smear a thin coating of anti-seize on the threads and on the lug nut flange. I also clean the wheel hub and wheel mating surfaces and coat them with a little anti seize. Since my wheels are hub-centric, I clean and coat the hub spindle with some anti seize. Finally, I torque the lug nuts to 70% of the manufacturer recommended torque, since the manufacturer's spec is a dry torque value.
@danfarris135
2 жыл бұрын
Another down side to antisieze is that it attracts dirt which in hand attracts moisture. I live and drive on gravel roads and do not recommend putting anything on wheel studs. Just rotate your tires 3-4 times a year and you wont have any problems. Bonus; your tires will wear more evenly.
@whatthewhat11
2 жыл бұрын
Unless you're driving 20k miles a year, rotating tires 4 times a year is absurd. No reason to rotate before 5k
@kd7cwg
2 жыл бұрын
@@whatthewhat11 I’m at 75k miles in 2.5 years. I haven’t rotated as much as I should so 2 tires have more wear. It makes a difference. Some shops rotate tires when an oil change is done
@whatthewhat11
2 жыл бұрын
@@kd7cwg If you're driving that much, you need the highest mileage tires you can afford. The extended treadlife will also extend your rotation intervals.
@obsoleteprofessor2034
2 жыл бұрын
I used to work on airplanes. One of our customers went to the factory in Wichita and picked up a new Beechcraft. On the way home, in smooth air he heard a bang like a shotgun and saw the wing move up and down. One of the 4 wing attach bolts broke. Investigation revealed that a new hire had lubed the bolts before torqueing them. The instructions required they be put on dry. Lube allowed the bolt(s) to be overtorqued. We had a string of the airplanes come in for replacment of all the bolts. We had to pull most of the interior to gain access. The bolts were accounted for and cut in half.
@efish206
2 жыл бұрын
holy crap! 😲
@mikelemoine4267
2 жыл бұрын
Did they at least buy him some new underwear as I'm sure he needed them after that!
@91rss
2 жыл бұрын
100% correct, you go by the book despite good intentions.
@12yearssober
2 жыл бұрын
New hire became unemployed very soon I am sure lol
@seagullsbtn
2 жыл бұрын
@@efish206 The Pilot probably did.
@jeepbruno
Жыл бұрын
I use anti sieze on my lug nuts for a while with no trouble at all, as a matter of fact, it happen to no longer have broken lug nuts ever.
@oemytech
2 жыл бұрын
The best advice I ever got was to rotate your tires on a regular schedule. I also wire brushed the studs and mating surfaces.
@don2deliver
2 жыл бұрын
Keeping the mating surfaces clean is important. One of the reasons for lug studs stretch and failure is corrosion pushing between the rim and brake rotor.
@stevem491
2 жыл бұрын
Lugnuts should always be torqued DRY. Any lube can cause you to stretch the lugs, potentially damaging them. Part of regular maintenance should be checking the torque on lugnuts at least every 3 months. And this means loosening then tightening to SPEC (it's in the owner's manual). Another thing, alloy wheels are more likely to seize than steel due to electrolysis (corrosion) because you have dissimilar metals.
@JustMe-JustBecause
Жыл бұрын
If you have a 2009 -2014 Ford F150 it is required to use it. I've twisted a 4-way lug wrench like a corkscrew trying to get them broke loose on the shoulder of a highway in the middle of nowhere. They had been torqued to spec with a wrench not an impact when installed. Had to get a wrecker with a 1" air impact to get them off. This happened twice before i started using anti-seize. "
@FordBossMe
Жыл бұрын
Nahhhh not true
@stevec8861
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding warning from anti-seize manufacturer not to use on wheel lug nuts or studs, I was never in US military service like you but have done technical writing submitted to DoD. Learned very quickly if my DoD submission had a warning, it would get kicked back for re-write if the warning wasn't immediately followed with a explanation or example of why the warning was important. Have long since been doing that with all my technical writing for anybody, not just DoD.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Guys look I don't care what your reasons are for using anti-seize it's just not a good idea I don't care what you do to your own vehicle just don't do other people don't hurt other people because of your stupidity Now that being said I don't have time to respond to every single person on this so if you legitimately need my help here's my email Poissorichard.rp@gmail.com If you just want to talk s*** I'm not interested I ain't got time for that the channels growing too fast the videos are getting more views now than ever I just don't have time for it
@bobimbordino3024
2 жыл бұрын
The link to discord discord.gg/9ZSYr8THb4
@Robs_Got_A_Gun
2 жыл бұрын
Now that i think about it, You wouldn't want to use Anti Seize on a 2 Piece Lug because it might work loose? But i never had any issues out of the 1 Piece Solid Lugs on both Steel, Aluminum Rims. I guess it should be stated if someone doesn't know not to Over Torque then yeah it could be pretty Dangerous
@downeastoutdoors8713
2 жыл бұрын
Because of a possibility to be over torqued, and also working loose. Makes perfect sense to me. I've never used that on studs/lug nuts what so ever could be very dangerous
@Robs_Got_A_Gun
2 жыл бұрын
I guess i will agree with Ford Boss Me in the End. Sometimes i forget that alot of "Average Joes" are the ones working on their own cars, and may make mistakes with Lugs Over Torqued, Wich is Dangerous
@bricegraham8256
2 жыл бұрын
Lol at first I legit thought this a video that was gonna say you should use anti seize on lugnuts. I was confused because I've never heard of anyone using anti-seize on their lugnuts until I watched the whole video. I'd imagine using it cause also cause them to slowly back out too, I could be wrong though. But yeah I can't believe people actually think it's a good idea to use anti-seize for lugnuts. It makes sense why I never heard it being suggested for lugnuts though.
@badlybent1959
2 жыл бұрын
Good information ! The warning on the anti-seize container must be relatively new. I checked my supply, and the warning is not there but my containers are probably 20 years old.
@dwightmitchell1464
2 жыл бұрын
They probably got sued...
@riceburner4747
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with YOU!! They ALSO say it affects torque if u use anti-seize. I use anti-seize on ANYTHING I loosen. I live in the rust belt! I am in my 70's & have NEVER had an issue. Even my mechanics who do my serious jobs appreciate wrkn on my car BECAUSE its so much better to work on. Hard to break an old dog on new tricks. 😁
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you watch the video to the end I show what the torque specs doing when fluid is added
@ToAstYNaChO
2 жыл бұрын
torque on a fastener is a product of friction. Lube removes friction, allowing for over torquing that the fastener itself often cant handle. I wish guys would get that.
@Robs_Got_A_Gun
2 жыл бұрын
No Shit. Thats why when you use Anti Seize you follow Precautions to NOT OVER TORQUE IT!!!
@gmctech
2 жыл бұрын
I took a Caterpillar course once and the actual clamping force diference betwen lightly lubed and not lubed fasteners at 100lb/ft was shocking and scarey! CAT has a video showing this.. As you stated, the torque value is nothing more than a measure of the interference/friction betwen the interacting threads... lube it up and the clamping forces and stretch the bolt experiences to obtain that desired torque value is multiple factors higher...
@ToAstYNaChO
2 жыл бұрын
@@Robs_Got_A_Gun that isn't how that works. With antiseize, to achieve the same torque on the fastener, it physically had to get "tighter". A wrench set to 100Ftlbs that is used to tighten two lug nuts, one lubed and one not. To the operator, the wrench clicks at the same perceived torque. But the fasteners are actually at [for conversation sake] 100 Ftlbs on the dry fasteners, and 130 on the lubed one.
@Robs_Got_A_Gun
2 жыл бұрын
@@ToAstYNaChO all i know is you can look up the Anti Seize torque Ratios for regurlar "Dry" Studs...........
@Robs_Got_A_Gun
2 жыл бұрын
@@ToAstYNaChO anti seize absolutely does an amazing job at preventing Rust and Corrusion maybe check out "Project Farm" Videos!!!!
@unknownindividual731
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting out this video. There are many out there who just don't understand the mechanics of the project and do some really dumb things. The one thing I didn't hear you mention was that Ford warns you that improper torque on ford wheels with disc brakes is the quickest way to warp your rotors. Once you lube the studs, it' s no longer possible to know exactly what your final torque readings are. So, go ahead and lube your studs and wait for the pulsating brakes that will follow.
@jonathansherwood5841
2 жыл бұрын
I was guilty of this for the longest time. I had learned this early on from other mechanics in the field and adopted it, no questions asked. Heck, even customers wanted it put on their lug nuts, with some of the older ones watching me make sure I put enough on! Did this until I was sent for tire training about nine years ago. It was a short class put on by the Tire Industry Association (TIA) for commercial tire service. I changed that practice real quick once I saw the safety implications! I had thought for years I was doing a favor to others! You know, to make it easier on the next person who will have to take the wheels off. What a misconception that was! Both oil and anti seize will, not if, change the measured torque value on lug nuts. Good reminder for us all.
@edvinasm7902
2 ай бұрын
And what about rust on bolts? It significantly increases friction and decreases clamp force. With the same torque you will get way smaller clamp force.
@charger19691
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve just used a dab of wheel bearing grease on wheel studs, just a little to keep them from rusting. It’s never done me wrong. I was told that permatex puts that disclaimer on their anti-seize because of people using their product incorrectly and not torquing the wheels properly. So, they just don’t recommend it on wheel studs anymore. But I guarantee that any mechanic that uses it properly and knows what they are doing will never have a problem. A little anti-seize compound GOES A LONG WAY.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Propoer maintenance you won't need to do that
@charger19691
2 жыл бұрын
@@FordBossMe , I can’t argue with you on that. I just personally like a little light lubrication on my wheel studs. It’s a personal preference. I know the experts will say it’s wrong, that’s ok. Your an excellent mechanic and up on all the latest technologies and techniques. I’ve been out of the business for 14 years, many things have changed. So from an older mechanic to another younger mechanic who knows his stuff, You have my respect.
@jaredtown8947
2 жыл бұрын
@@charger19691 From my understanding on the matter, lubricant reduces the amount of torque necessary to achieve the appropriate clamping load. From reading comments, it seems that if you calculated what stretch the bolt needed to be at and then achieved that lubricated and measured your new torque, you couldn't safety and reliability torque your wheels with lubricant.
@charger19691
2 жыл бұрын
@@jaredtown8947 , this is all probably correct, I’m just saying that any wheel studs that I lubricated never resulted in a wheel coming off or lugs loosening up. This is from personal experience. Did I mount those wheels wrong? That’s up for debate I guess, but I’ve never had an issue. Keep in mind I’ve never over used any lubricant. It was all used sparingly.
@andrewt9204
2 жыл бұрын
@@charger19691 I use it on my studs as well. But like you, I put the smallest amount on, like half a pea size bead. Just enough to get the thinnest film on. I under-torque everything 20-30%. I also check the lug tightness once and a while to make sure nothing has loosened, so far I've never had a loose lug. I don't re-apply every time either, only when its dry. I don't want that mess everywhere. I don't rotate my tires all that often (10-15K) since 90% of my driving is on straight flat highways. My tire wear stays really even. The anti-seize helps with the longer intervals, especially in the winter with salty roads.
@mikelemoine4267
2 жыл бұрын
I live in Florida so rust is never an issue, but I did get a taste of stuck lugs. I was on my way home for dinner with some BBQ chicken that smelled soooo good and saw a lady and her little girl with a flat as I was turning into my neighborhood. I was beat and hungry and really wanted to get home and eat, but couldn't pass by without stopping. She was in tears and very stressed out as they were dressed very nicely and on their way to a school function. She said she had been trying to get the lug nuts loose for 45 minutes and nobody was stopping to help, and AAA was still a couple hours backed up. The lugs were so tight I actually googled just to make sure that her Lexus didn't have reverse threads, even though I couldn't imagine it would. I finally told her I could force it at the risk of breaking the studs, but the only alternative was to get it towed and let a shop possibly break them instead. She said to go ahead so I gave it all I had and did manage to break them loose. The car actually rolled back and forth in the sand with the parking brake set I cranked so hard on it. I got big hugs from both of them for my efforts, despite being completely soaked in sweat from the only 5 or 10 minutes I was messing with it in 97 degree heat with 100% humidity. It was a newer car and dealer serviced. I suggested when she takes it in for the tire repair to tell them how overtightened the lugs were, and ask them to remove them all and properly re-torque them so they can safely be removed if they get another flat. Plus, if any of them break it's better to break them in the shop.
@vanseelife493
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It seems more shops use the same air gun to put the lugs back on, over-tightening them. I’ve had a stud shear off from overtightened lug nuts on all the cars I’ve ever had, until I started putting antiseize on the studs and the hub flange where the rims mates up against. Too many times had all the lugs off and the rim is rusted onto the hub.
@bernardocisneros4402
6 ай бұрын
I never use anti-seize on the studs and lugnuts but I always use it between the mating surfaces of aluminum wheels and rotors. Before using anti-seize in this area, I would always have to use a sledge hammer to hit the tire to loosen the wheel from the rotor when removing the wheels to rotate the tires. This is due to galvanic corrosion between the aluminum wheel and steel rotor. The anti-seize becomes a thin layer between the aluminum and steel to prevent galvanic corrosion between the 2.
@charlesb4267
2 жыл бұрын
What is interesting and also an item that has confused even some tire shops that deal with both heavy trucks as well as light automotive is the fact that the newer ( its been out for many years of course ) hub piloted wheel end hardware for most highway tractors are to be lubed before installation. Having said that NOT anti seize on the threads as that is a no no but without a doubt the manufactures of that style of wheel ends instruct to put a couple of drops of 30 weight engine oil on the threads and a drop or two on the swivel portion I will call it of the two piece flange nuts to reduce that friction for the proper torquing of the lug nuts. Then torqued typically to 500 foot pounds for an m22 stud size. So one tire shop in the area refuses to put the oil on my highway tractor or trailer studs and the nuts, I think its one of the long time partners of that shop that has this mind set and the end result is under torqued wheel ends, especially if the threads and the two piece nut swivel surface were void any residual lubrication when it came in to get tire work. Other heavy truck tire shops I go to have their squirt can out and are dabbing the oil on every stud and nut. I don't mean to confuse anyone by what I said here as this is a certain procedure for a certain wheel end hardware and NOT for personal passenger vehicles as they are to be installed dry as in no oil and without a doubt no anti seize.
@Gchethan31
4 ай бұрын
Forget the anti sieze , Some Mechanics here in India, even dealers use grease. I was shocked, seriously? They all have their own explanation for that. No one bothered
@ryangoodfriend7258
2 жыл бұрын
Even the science of putting anti seize on the stud makes no sense. I’m not sure on the number by I saw somewhere that around 80%-90% of the resistance of a nut to spin, comes from the friction between the bottom face of the nut and the clamping surface. Putting anti seize on the stud would do practically nothing to assist with removal of the lug nut but more with denying rust on the stud.
@tx4runner459
2 жыл бұрын
Had a BMW with aluminum wheels. Boss said lug nuts were seized. Extracted 3 “seized” lugs. Looked at the wheels and found whoever installed previously had tightened them to the point where it was biting into the wheel. Ended up with a damaged wheel afterwards. Vehicle was crashed anyway but that’s beside the point
@isawthelight
27 күн бұрын
Best thing i did too make getting lugnuts off is buying a torque wrench haha. I remember tightening the nuts as hard as I could before i knew better. One day a mechanic told me i stripped the bolts. Torque wrench is where its at.
@satin227
2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna have to take a closer look at the anti-seize our company provides us because they want us to use it on every vehicle.🤔
@dasworkshop4967
2 жыл бұрын
About 20 years ago my son uncharacteristically called me a work and asked if I could grab some GM wheel studs at lunch (dealership was nextdoor), the Doorman's he bought were pulling apart before reaching torque. My first words were "stop lubing them". And that was it. He was using wheel bearing grease on them to keep out corrosion. Anti-seize will do the same thing.
@charliedee9276
2 жыл бұрын
In Michigan it's good to put it on any bolt going through a sleeve, control arm or shock bushing. That is usually the sleeve and the bolt body that is seized, not the nut on the end. Cover the shoulder but keep it off the threads. The only threads I really use it on is a spark plug going into an aluminum head.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
The problem with using on on spark plugs as I get misfires in the shop all the time for people doing that pulled plugs out clean them off clean all the anti-seize off stops misfire
@charliedee9276
2 жыл бұрын
@@FordBossMe They are obviously doing it wrong, I have been doing it since the 70's without a problem. Get it all over the end, yes they will misfire. I was a fleet mechanic at a police dept, cannot tell how many plugs I changed on 4.6's and 5.4's, but I can tell never had a misfire issue due to anti seize.
@marinablueGS
2 жыл бұрын
I was a maintenance tech in manufacturing for 38 years. All the literature I saw on torque settings specified dry threads. I can't say for automotive, cuz I never looked it up.
@madog1
2 жыл бұрын
@Barry Osborne Everything I've ever read and taught; all torque specs are for clean, dry threads.
@jonnyg9330
2 жыл бұрын
Wow thanks for the info been putting anti seize on my lugs for over 10 year and never knew(my dad taught me to do it). One thing though, it’s hard to hear the manufacture recommends/doesn’t recommend because they also recommend long drain intervals on fluids and fords are picky about fluids(just one example)
@fatherguidosarduchi5204
2 жыл бұрын
Have always used anti seize. As long as its locked on to the wheel with compression it is fine. And if your responsible you should be checking weekly. It has worked fine for me all my life so far. But do as you wish.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Just don't go telling other people that use anti seize because it don't belong on wheel studs I don't care who uses it it doesn't belong there with proper maintenance there's no reason for it to be there
@christiancooper9420
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for providing correct information. Lug studs clean and dry medium strength thread locker is fine. Heavy duty encapsulated nut with washer 1 drop of oil between nut and washer. Most tire shops are notorious for over torquing wheels thus causing damage to studs and nuts. If only torque wrenches were used to install wheels 🤯🤯 you would not have a removal issue.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't say anything about medium strength threadlocker so let's not go there please
@capnpugwash5403
2 жыл бұрын
Joining in with what others are saying... Reducing the torque effect on the interaction between the stud and the lug nut allows the nut to be driven home with a higher tension on the stud which may cause fatigue and failure in the stud.
@brockwaymt
2 жыл бұрын
Former mechanic and auto engineer. Customer vehicles I'd do by the book by my stuff always gets a little on the threads. Never on the mating surface of the nut. Back the torque down 10%. Retorque after a few miles. Never had an issue with one coming loose. Also have never twisted off a stud when antiseize was used. Can't say the same for dry lugs. A daily driver that gets regular service it's not so important. I think antiseize is more important on the seldom used - like the boat trailer that gets the lugs removed every 5 years because you change bearings with the tire on. IMO it's all lawyers.. I don't blame Rich for going by the book. But I don't think that antiseize on lugs is a guaranteed fiery death. I do know that when dealer techs do remove my wheels they may towel off some of my antiseize. But I've never had one be so concerned that they brakleened it off the studs and out of the nuts😅
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah unfortunately I still can't condone anybody doing it I just won't do it so I respect your opinion and what you do I just hope you wouldn't do that to somebody else's vehicle that's all I have to say on this matter without incriminating myself
@xioux24
2 жыл бұрын
I have and always will wash all traces of antiseize off wheel studs, nuts and wheel bolts, BUT I will apply it on hub-centered wheels on the mating surfaces only…
@johnroberts3824
Жыл бұрын
I saw a video that advocated using antisieze and then under-torquing the lug nuts to compensate. While in theory it may work, the problem is that when you go and buy new tires the tech is going to torque to the factory spec and then the lug nuts are over-torqued and possibly damaged. It's just not worth it.
@FordBossMe
Жыл бұрын
Beyond what you just said it's just not smart to do anyway you don't ever want to under torque your lug nuts it's not bright and eventually it backs off
@slimsautomotiverepair8714
2 жыл бұрын
man on point as always torque specs are there for a reason and warning labels are needed more then ever due to the tide pod generation
@jasonw2696
2 жыл бұрын
The reason I use anti-seize on a lug is to prevent corrosion. Some places have a habit of dumping a bunch of salt on the road in the winter and everything has a tendency to corrode or rust together.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Says right on your antiseize bottle to not use on lugs
@benca6151
2 жыл бұрын
Well I'm probably jinxing myself but as a son and grandson of truck mechanics, we've oiled studs for years. Never used never seize. Never seize went on lightly on mating surface of rim to hub. And here's why we use it there. They will corrode together. I dont care where you live. I dont care if its steel rim to steel hub. Aluminum rim to steel hub. They will corrode together. I recently had two on a truck that could only be loosened by loosening lug nuts one turn and drove it slowly about 500 feet to break them loose. Sledge hammer did nothing. So that's my personal experience and education.
@jamesamber6009
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@amitrkolte
2 жыл бұрын
Quick summary, I work at a Jeep dealership. I had a customer bring in a 2013 Wrangler (don't remember exactly, from a couple months ago now), needed rear brakes. 4 of the 5 lug nuts on the Rear Left wheel were on so tight that the top half of the nuts broke off leaving the bottom cone part on the stud still holding the tire onto the hub. Tried impact-top half broke, Tried Breaker bar- same result but after the top half broke I noticed whoever originally put the tires on smudged anti-seize on all of the studs like no tomorrow. I have to agree with everyone talking about how it is not recommended to use lubricants on studs plus like what Ford Boss Me said at 0:47, they bite into the Aluminum so much that they don't to let go. Bonus - the Wrangler had all Aluminum Rims with Aluminum Lug nuts. I hate aluminum because it is not heavy duty unlike iron, steel, Cr-Mo, Cr-V etc. Yes Aluminum has its uses but only when used correctly, not with anti-seize or over-torqueing, but that's just the beginning of it.
@vaughndibble4598
2 жыл бұрын
i had that same thing happen on a jeep liberty
@footpathjunkies1051
2 жыл бұрын
Just finished torquing lugs w new torque wrench and this is the first video I see..crazy...didn't use anti-seize...thanks for all your valuable info sir
@drewnicest4319
5 ай бұрын
30 yrs later and I never stripped or broke a wheel stud using antiseize. The key is to get the lightest coating possible just to stop corrosion, not to lubricate. I'm in the northeast, you or the bottle can't tell me otherwise. If you go globbing it on there like a clown you might have torque issues, which is permatex concern. But my concern is the lug nut literally welding onto the stud from rust. And with any factory vehicle that's pretty much guaranteed to happen here no matter what you torque your wheels to. So that's why no mechanic in the northeast really gives af what the bottle has to say about it.
@goldentrichomeshydro4260
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clearing this up. Anti seize increases the clamping force yielding lug studs or stretching the stud threads to the point that the stud threads will stretch and won't spring back.
@matthewq4b
2 жыл бұрын
Nope. The additional torque applied from having lubricated threads will not push a wheel stud or bolt past or even close to the yeild KSI. But removing seized on (especially with a snipe) lug nuts and bolts can easily be pushed past their yield KSI.
@unknownindividual731
Жыл бұрын
When a piece of steel is stretched to a point where in will not return to it's original shape before the stretch, it has failed. Any structural engineer will confirm that. This is exactly why you cannot reuse the original head bolts on a 6.0 Powerstroke Diesel. When they were originally installed, they were torqued to a point where they can no longer return to their original shape. They have structurally failed and can not be safely reused.
@keithwiebe1787
2 жыл бұрын
I've been a mecahnic for 40 years here in Kansas and wince when I see it done. Just makes a royal mess of things. If some lube is needed perhaps a drop of motor oil. Nothing more.
@mariodiy4517
2 жыл бұрын
Only time I've used any lube, Loctite/thread locker on a stud was when instructions specify to do so. That varies on many vehicle applications. I would think with anti-seize the same applies. When in doubt follow the directions. I'm not a pro, so thanks for the PSA.
@dillonostrum9264
2 жыл бұрын
I spray my Hub face with fluid film and run the Lugnuts down with a cordless impact they're torqued properly when I check it with a torque wrench and after I break them loose I can unthread them by hand
@jaredmayer3960
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve tightened literally thousands of bolts with anti seize on them. Not one has ever come apart, I highly doubt if one was going to come apart it would be a wheel lug. Do whatever the fuck you want. It will hurt nothing.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
I don't care what you've got away with bud It doesn't mean it's the right thing to do
@jaredmayer3960
2 жыл бұрын
@@FordBossMe you’re a plug.
@Graham_Langley
2 жыл бұрын
I'd ask why they warn against using it on wheel nuts and bolts but not on other threads that are 'torqued to spec'. There's probably something else going on here that's not about over-torquing them.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty obvious it's for safety reasons
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Whenever you lubricate threads as I clearly said in the video when he even showed the spec you cannot torque the wheels to manufacture specification and most people are not going to be able to figure out what the conversion is by lubricating the lug nuts so it's a dry spec for safety reasons and they don't want people stretching the lug studs
@Graham_Langley
2 жыл бұрын
@@FordBossMe I'm not picking a fight, just wondering why they only mention wheel fixings. Back when I used to write technical manuals I'd give the reason for a warning or prohibition.
@2020HotShotTruckingLLC
2 жыл бұрын
Like the old saying, "you can't fix stupid". but I have to hand it to you. You really try your best to educate your viewers and in doing so may very well be saving someone's life! Keep up the great work!!!
@chrisburrell8489
2 жыл бұрын
Well you answered my question. I didn't think of the corrosion factor. Still when I get my vehicle back and lugs are rounded from the shop over torquing it is a irritation for sure and if they rounded in removal I'd pay for new ones.. obviously I don't want a tire to come flying off at the same time if I get a flat I appreciate the ability to not have to go wwe on the lugs to remove and put on the spare .. so is there a way to ensure torque and ease of removal that I haven't thought of? As always thanks for the information and have a good day
@jeremyg9240
2 жыл бұрын
There are a few solutions to your issue. The first being that you should not take your car to the cheap quick lube places because 9 out of 10 of those guys are fresh out of high-school or prison. The likelihood of having issues is high. Second option is do it yourself in your garage. If you rotate your tires every 4-6 months you won't have corrosion issues and you'll know exactly who torqued it and what the specs are. Although not everyone has floor jacks and torque wrenches in their garage. The third being my least favorite (from a technician perspective) is watch the tech do the work from outside the bay and ask him the torque spec before he finishes. ****But DON'T hover over him and critique his every move! He will throw a wrench at you and wrenches hurt!
@frankwu5831
2 жыл бұрын
He is right................it is not the studs..........it is where the steel nut contacts the aluminum/mag...................galvanic action = corrosion. I do it on my Toyota and voila I can remove the nuts AND the wheels DO NOT FALL OFF while driving down the road!!
@JRUTHLESS_GARAGE_AND_CUSTOM
2 жыл бұрын
man, best I seen 20yrs ago a guy came in with his wheel bearings packed with antiseize. when asked why he said because I had a wheel bearing seize and don't want that to happen again.
@Enonymouse_
2 жыл бұрын
Steel + Aluminum + Water/Salt over time = a chemical weld via corrosion.
@jamesmedina2062
2 жыл бұрын
I dont put oil or anything on my hubs. When a tire shop did it on my VW Passat wagon rims, it did not seem to help because the heat and washes will push anti seize out and I still got corrosion between hub and rim requiring lots of kicking of tire to pop loose
@justinpaone2227
2 жыл бұрын
And because any lubricant reduces the torque. To achieve correct torque you're actually over torquing the fastener putting far too much load on it. Now using lube is the most accurate way to get the correct torque because of the nature of friction which is why you do not torque head bolts dry but that torque spec and procedure takes into account the lubricant used on the bolts.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
That's why they tell you not to use it because they're relying on that friction to hold everything together
@fsu3784
2 жыл бұрын
I live in the rust belt and I’ve never used anti seize on lugs. Never crossed my mind honestly. Then again, I don’t crank the holy hell out of them either 😂😂
@JT-lq4yd
2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to believe that people want to have wheel studs lubricated with anti seize or grease. I am paranoid about a wheel coming off the car so much so I brought my torque wrench to work to check the torque before driving back home, one of my coworkers laughed at me for doing that.
@UberArchangel
2 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way about big rig axle nuts. Everyone has that one thing they hate or are paranoid about.
@mikelemoine4267
2 жыл бұрын
My in-laws drove down to visit for the holidays a few years back. They said they kept hearing a weird clicking sound but couldn't figure out what it was. I hopped in and drove it a couple hundred feet and heard a clear tick tick sound from the driver side rear. Checked the lugs on a hunch and all 5 were very loose on the rear driver side. They had just had it in for service to include a tire rotation before making the 1100 mile drive. It was just dumb luck that they didn't lose a wheel at highway speed. Further back, I had an 87 Blazer (full sized w/ 6 lug wheels) and had gotten new rims and tires installed. I heard a pop and then another so I stopped and found I was missing 2 lug nuts and the rest were loose. I tightened them all up and moved on until I heard a pop again. Missing another one and the others were loose again. Babied it since I was close to home and stopped to check and was down to only 2 lug nuts left and one was bent as it was getting ready to snap the stud. Called a flat bed. The shop had to replace all of the studs as most had actually broken off. Never had another issue but never figured out why the lugs kept loosening the first time around, maybe they used the wrong kind on that wheel. So, I don't blame you for being overly cautious:-)
@JT-lq4yd
2 жыл бұрын
@@UberArchangel The problem is that people don't think about the potential for damage or injury to you or others. A 22.5 and tire loose on the road doing 60 mph will destroy a car and cripple a big rig. I rather have rusty lug nuts and have a hart time removing them than loosing a wheel on the road.
@whatthewhat11
2 жыл бұрын
Lubrication will not make your lugs back out more easily. There are bolts holding pistons to your crankshaft that are constantly lubricated that never back out
@JT-lq4yd
2 жыл бұрын
@@whatthewhat11 @whatthewhat11 I am not up to date when it comes to mass engine assembly but I am certain that the equipment used to assemble the engine is setup and calibrated to set the bolts to the correct torque specification to keep them from backing out. Back when I took engine repair classes, we used locktite or some type of thread locking compound for the connecting rod bolts and crankshaft, but this was a long time ago. The problem now is that when you have new tires installed or rotated by someone who doesn't know or is in a hurry, the mating surfaces on the drum/rotor and wheel might not have been cleaned properly, so when the tires are installed and tightened, the surface corrosion comes off and then you have loose lug nuts. As it may, I just don't want to be on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck, if I can help it. Edit: I forgot to mention that bolts stretch when bolts are tightened, you over tighten them, they stretch even more. Do this many times and they will shear off.
@garyanthony8044
2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, unless otherwise specified, threaded fasteners should be clean and dry when they are torqued. Also, where the lug nut contacts the aluminum rim can become galled which can cause it to bind or even come loose. This happened to my sons 2006 Caravan in less then a week after we put the winter tires with factory aluminum rims, and they were torqued to spec.
@charliedc2A
2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy this is gonna be interesting to read all the comments on this one. 👍
@kristinabrown4951
2 жыл бұрын
I use anti seize only in the hub mating surface to ensure the potential for oxidation and decay of the surfaces of steel and aluminium.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@sk22ng
2 жыл бұрын
Every machine thread fastener on a vehicle should either get Anti Seize or Loctite. Never leave them bare.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Wrong
@sk22ng
2 жыл бұрын
@@FordBossMe I felt so stupid after posting this because I commented part way into viewing your video. When I saw the rest of the video, I learned a lot and will never put this on my lug bolts again. Please keep posting.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
@@sk22ng I'm just trying to point people in the right direction
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
@@sk22ng I want you guys safe
@johncheney4850
2 жыл бұрын
I have seen several vehicles come in with misfires due to anti size on the plugs.
@warrenself
2 жыл бұрын
One of the first things one of my professors taught me was never use anti seize for brake parts lube, and never use it on the lug nuts or studs. It’s just like people jumping cars by going battery to battery, supposed to be red-to-red and black-to-engine ground of dead car.
@Schmitty71
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Rich, good info as always. Hadn't considered the corrosion on the tapered seat being the cause of the seized nuts. Makes sense though, because when they crack loose, they spin off easily. Now, that being said, on the flange style nuts on the Super Duty's, I seem to recall service info recommending a few drops of oil on the threads as well as between the nut and washer. Different animal I know, just wondering if that was your practice as well.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
As I have stated in previous Videos the only thing that you need a drop of oil on the manufacturer says is the taper part of the pivot ring on the super duty lug nuts one drop of 5 W 30 and that's it nothing else
@Aaronsmith467
2 жыл бұрын
So what if you put a little grease or antiseize on the tapered part of the bottom of the wheel nut where it mounts to the wheel? Would that help or cause any issues? I would think it would ease removal.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Part of how that lug locks in is by biting into the Rim - no lubricant and general tire rotations is key
@Aaronsmith467
2 жыл бұрын
@@FordBossMe Oh I see. That makes sense. If the wheels come off periodically for maintenance the likelihood of seizing is decreased given no lube and proper torque.
@JimmyMakingitwork
2 жыл бұрын
it's amazing to me how many people don't know the basics. Keep at it Rich.
@TheBattleMaster100
2 жыл бұрын
This is why I tune into your channel. Straightforward analysis.
@rposton919
2 жыл бұрын
Once at work I asked a new engineer working on a project if he specified torquing fasteners dry. He didn't quite understand. Lol...another new college edumacated engineer asked how many watts a particular electric motor put out. They are among us....
@don2deliver
2 жыл бұрын
A watt is a measure of energy and can directly be converted to horsepower, so they are technically correct, but it gets confusing and it is used more for consumed electrical energy.
@rposton919
2 жыл бұрын
@@don2deliver Ohhhh boy. You're one of them....
@don2deliver
2 жыл бұрын
@@rposton919 At least I don't put antiseaze on lug studs or spark plugs, I do use penetrating oil if they appear excessively rusty or dry. But yes I have some engineering credits along with a lifetime of mechanical experience.
@rondo29
2 жыл бұрын
I sometimes use anti-seize on the back of the wheel and Center hole, but not on the studs
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
That's the only place it belongs
@tonycolca2241
2 жыл бұрын
A wrecker driver told me that front wheel drive cars are bad about lug nuts coming loose or completely off I know that's not what you are talking about but it came to mind thought I would mention
@MrTheHillfolk
2 жыл бұрын
About the dumbest thing ever was when I got a Mk4 VW Jetta back in the day, and figured I'd buy the shop manual because I do my own work. In the manual it said to NOT use lubricant on the wheel lugs. They've never been to the northeast. So when I had the wheels off, you know what I did. It's no fun changing a tire on the roadside because of stuck lugs. Anti seize sucks ass, grease or something like that is fine. CV joint grease is a nice one.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
I live in the salt belt I don't use anti seize with proper maintenance and tire rotations you dont need it
@AQSKY
2 жыл бұрын
I don't lube the threads only the part of the lug that touches the aluminum wheel , lightly . Like he said it at this point of contact gets all f up .
@andybub45
2 жыл бұрын
A guy where I work was rotating tires on a Highlander, there was anti seize on all of the lug nuts, you could hear him cussing all the way across the shop. That stuff gets everywhere.
@brianhook2108
2 жыл бұрын
The only time lubrication should go near wheel nuts and studs is on the the tractor package (not sure if that’s actually what it’s called but the package with the polished aluminum wheels that look like they were off a tractor trailer) on the f350 and larger trucks and heavy duty applications where a two piece wheel buy is used. The washer that the nut rides on needs to be lubricated so that it doesn’t bind on tightening but the stud stays dry.
@agoodneighborautorepair2176
2 жыл бұрын
Hi,I been removing a lot of wheels with that products and either red grease, very nice information, blessings.
@jeremyg9240
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I've been trying to explain this for years and nobody believes me! You're like famous and shit so they might believe you.... no... actually they won't. Nobody is smarter than the internet forum guys....
@idropagearbabye6822
2 жыл бұрын
1st thing I did with the lug nuts on my Ford was throw them away and buy solid 1 piece lug nuts bc the factory nuts corrode between the stainless covering and the nut causing them to swell, making it near impossible to remove them with the factory lug wrench..not a good situation to be in if you get a flat.
@stevec8861
2 жыл бұрын
Not in rust belt, so mine didn't swell, but found taking off wheel to put on donut spare, had to be very careful to keep wrench aligned to avoid rounding off those cheap OEM two piece covered lug nuts. So have now replaced with solid one piece lug nuts same as you.
@nbrowser
2 жыл бұрын
Come to think of it...as long as I've been in the auto repair business fixing cars and light trucks...in all the service data I've seen for all makes I've dealt with they always say not to use any chemicals on lug studs/bolts. Always keep clean, dry and free from oil or lubricants. I once caught an apprentice years ago putting the silver paste that gets everywhere on wheel studs...that was the last time he did it in my shop at least.
@LymerPnB
2 жыл бұрын
I never use antiseize.. if people are having trouble. Just just some locktite, and torque to 20 ftlbs
@randyoliver4973
2 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when people learn from the internet. The old guy is old for a reason. He will teach you pre technology...aka old school. The little things
@randywl8925
9 күн бұрын
"Old?" ....... he's far from old 🤣
@ronwest7930
2 жыл бұрын
I use to do studs dry until reading about using a small amount of lube. More problems are caused by people using sir tools and over-torquing lugnuts. People find this out when they need to change a flat on the side of the road. Corrosion is not a big problem in the desert.
@ronaldpierce4087
2 жыл бұрын
I do it on lugs and around the center face of rims. Especially on trailers. Will always do it....
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Not a bright idea
@rooster3019
2 жыл бұрын
I agree; don't use it unless specified. Lug studs should be clean and dry and it is good to remove corrosion that is there already. Putting antisieze on them results in an applied torque of at least 30% in excess of spec. If you drive regularly and ROTATE tires on schedule, the danged thing will not be so corroded between removal, cleaning, replacing.
@ernestoarroyo6121
2 жыл бұрын
What about the use of torque sticks and proper torquing of lug nut or stud?? I worked at a shop where they had the proper tools, but never used them. They would just drive them in with impact, this tightening the hell out of the nut or stud. You have a flat out on the road, good luck taking wheel off.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Torque sticks can be used but if you use an underrated one and then finish with a torque wrench
@menguardingtheirownwallets6791
10 ай бұрын
I just watched a video that shows that when a person uses anti-seize on the lug nuts, the tension applied to the bolt /stud increases from 5,500 lbs of preload up to 8,200 lbs of preload. If you apply only 70% of the torque to the nut with the anti-seize on it, you will end up with 5,700 lbs of preload, which is around the same as the DRY nut's preload. So anti-seize is okay, just reduce the torque you apply to only 70% of what the manual shows. My manual shows 75 ft-lbs, so I will torque the nuts up to only 55 ft-lbs instead of 75 ft-lbs.
@FordBossMe
10 ай бұрын
No it's just flat out not necessary
@Topdog677
Жыл бұрын
I use anti seize in a socket for when the lug nut caps swell and then hit the socket on with a hammer it will flatten the cap back out
@TheBeingReal
2 жыл бұрын
Unless exactly specified, threaded fasteners should never have lubricant on them. Almost all are torqued DRY.
@bradbradley353
2 жыл бұрын
I have never known a technician that has used anti seize on lug nuts…fortunately…for a reason…biggest issue is not using a torque wrench to properly torque the lugs. Usually just slam the lug nuts in with an impact…
@2wheelhoon813
2 жыл бұрын
Don't care what anyone says. I seen the guys comment below about the bolt that snapped on the plane. That doesn't mean fuck all. The spec was calculated with dry threads. If it was calculated with oiled, greased or whatever else it would not have been an issue. Anti seize displaces water. A very thin layer on a bolt or stud is the "correct" way to run down almost any fastener aside from very intricate stuff. Composites etc. Most new aluminum wheel lug nuts have "2 piece" washers on them as well as a taper. Again. I understand your probably a master tech and you know how to read a list of liabilities on a bottle but your wrong. Never run a lug on dry. Especially with an air gun your just asking for trouble. Generations of my family have done this with nothing less than excellent results. I have also installed 10's of thousands of wheels this way with again nothing but good results. 20 year old wheel studs that have been torqued hundreds of times probably. Every chance I get I use permatex. My stuff and my customers stuff stays tight and comes apart real smooth. Another big thing is using to much in a blind hole. False torque readings, stripping and cracks can happen. A little goes a very long way with the stuff. And once it's applied as long as you don't wipe it off it's good to go for a few uses. Ispecially on wheel studs. I've seen 1 application remain for a decade on my father's truck.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Don't use it on lugs THATS THE SAFE WAY
@ChrisPBolsak
2 жыл бұрын
Why don't these people just get a breaker bar, and then properly torque the lugs back on? It can't be that hard
@emirkazic4493
2 жыл бұрын
I also found that using a breaker bar on the lug nuts has prevented them from swelling. Break the torque, then impact the nuts off. My 09 focus and 11 fusion started swelling. I switched to this method and it stopped. Both of my 2018 F150’s have not had any swelling yet.
@whatthewhat11
2 жыл бұрын
Don't use anti-seize, the 20 extra ft/lb will compromise your studs *Uses cheater bar and pipe to reach the 200 ft/lb required to torque off a seized lug*
@mattmccarty72
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, question answered without the BS
@rhekman
2 жыл бұрын
Biggest issue I have is with Ford's stupid two piece lug nuts. Ditch 'em and get solid ones. Anti-seize on drum brake faces, and hub-centric rings only. Wheel studs clean and free of dings, with wheel pockets and lug nuts also clean and free of corrosion, dings, and burrs.
@keithwiebe1787
2 жыл бұрын
Yes and no. I work in a major used car dealer and you wouldn't believe the amount of lugnuts that need replaced and I'm not just talking Ford. On my own cars which I also drive in the salt at times and use an impact to remove them I've never replaced a lugnut. My 96 Mark Viii has almost 300k miles and the 2 piece lugnut is ok.
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Probably half of the manufacturers if not more use two-piece lug nuts so it's not just Ford all these manufacturers are having these problems and I hate it
@rhekman
2 жыл бұрын
@@keithwiebe1787 fair enough. The two piece lugs aren't unsafe. But having one time where you've had to beat a lug wrench onto a swollen cap on the side of the road, then have to get said cap back out of the wrench is enough for me.
@keithwiebe1787
2 жыл бұрын
@@rhekman Yes. I don't understand why some have problems and some don't. I suppose it's the amount and time they are exposed to salt. We put some solid chrome nuts on my son's 93 Mark VIII and I was worried that they would show rust on the edges but they're holding up fine after 5 years. The 2 piece use a stainless cap with a steel nut which theoretically shouldn't rust and the steel nut should work fine.
@UberArchangel
2 жыл бұрын
I hate the 2 piece lugnuts as well. I had to fight with the parts department when I was at Ford to get them to start stocking solid one piece ones at first then they found good cheap ones and could make more money of of them. Suddenly it was recommended any time we had 2 or more "swollen" lugnuts.
@dentalnovember
2 жыл бұрын
If you rotate the tires frequently then it is no problem. If they seizing then press in new studs. Sorry! Lube messes up the torque, do you want a wheel to come off, or be impossible to change with a flat?
@jeremylandphier692
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been using anti seize where the rim meets the rotor and drums for over 20 years and on the lug nut bevel !
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
That is acceptable but it's not acceptable on the lug or the nut
@justinhartley1537
2 жыл бұрын
If people didn't crank down so hard on the damn lug nut it wouldn't be so hard to take off...,..
@dondownriver3464
2 жыл бұрын
Been using a dab of wheel bearing grease for years. No issues
@FordBossMe
2 жыл бұрын
Not recommended
@dondownriver3464
2 жыл бұрын
@@FordBossMe been doing that for 35 plus years. Not one wheel has come off or loosen up yet. And a thin bead on the hub so the wheel and hub doesnt lock up.. Might be the policy on newer vehicles but this is a 27 yr truck all steel. I'd rather be able to get the wheel off then bust all five studs then labor hours for that to come off
@thetruthserum2816
2 жыл бұрын
Takeaway - Don't lube your nuts or studs...
@thetruthserum2816
2 жыл бұрын
I now wonder why we don't use washers on the lugs... Seems like a fix for the dissimilar metals issue. Maybe even a crush washer or lock washer...
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