Thanks Brian for the shoutout, happy to hear my video was helpful and I'm looking forward to hearing your own comparisons down the line! It's pronounced "Yeet-zee" by the way, which is based off my family's last name when they came from Italy to America (They Americanized it to Yates). If I was smart I would have chosen something people can pronounce but I never expected to get to the point where people were actually saying it lol.
@schreds
Жыл бұрын
they are actually 550k pots the BumbleBee harness is anyway ,, i have them in two of my LPs 71 custom and a 82 standard ,, amazing tone well worth the money
@huskvarsm
2 жыл бұрын
The Doyle coil are sharper and have greater clarity perfect for blues/rock/jazz/funk so next month my 2022 Gibson les paul 60s std is getting the full Doyle coil treatment ie loom switchgear and pickups exept I want double cream uncovered bobbins.
@jimbeam-ru1my
6 ай бұрын
you'd really spend 700 bucks because doyle coils had a slight edge over $75 japanese pickups? What you ought to do is sell that gibson and get a tokai.
@DogDaze66
10 ай бұрын
Doyle Coils are by far the best Pickups I’ve ever had and I’ve had mostly every pickup from silver zephyrs to Tim Shaws .
@jimbeam-ru1my
6 ай бұрын
you should try greco dry z or dry 1982's.
@brockbarnes9795
3 жыл бұрын
I think I'm leaning more towards the stock pickups on the cleaner and edge of breakup clips... and more towards the Doyles on the more driven clips (where the note separation is a bit more apparent). I can't get over how well they nailed the stock pickups!
@chuckyz2
Жыл бұрын
I have a 1981 LS60. When I bought it, the gentleman I purchased it from had just bought a LS80 Cherry Sunburst and needed to sell the 60 to recoup some of the cost of the 80. It was also an 81 if I remember. It was a plain top with beautiful grain. No flames. We played both guitars and both agreed the tone on the 60 was better. The highs were more burst like and the 80's had a little ice picky shrill to them. I knew very little about anything Tokai then, only that they got great reviews from everyone that owned one from those early years. I know much more now. There is no thin as an expert because very little can be obtained as they are from Japan. But enough has been obtained to satisfy me. Tokai bought a few Bursts and dissected them. Even the pickups. They did this with the ES also from 59 to 61. My picks are the Goto PAF but have the letter D. They read 8 and 8.1ish in the guitar. May come out a tad lower if measured outside of the guitar. But they are not coming out. They sound perfect and put to shame every LP they have done battle with. It is mentioned in the comments that tinkering with pickup height and pole adjusting can bring them to life and I am here to verify that it can completely make a huge difference. Also putting the 50's wired better electronics, OIP caps, better pots, switch and jack is highly recommended. The computer board shit it comes with isn't horrible, yet changing that out made another noticeable difference. I wonder if your tone test with your Goto's was with the stock electronics? That would most definitely give the new Doyles the advantage. Tone is subjective. So much is lost in recording, processing and through each pedal or any type of electronic you use. Not to mention KZitems compression. What we are hearing is almost guaranteed not to be what you hear in the room. Even playback after recording in the room is going to be lacking some of the magic in these wonderful instruments. I'm glad you commented on how they sounded to you in the room. There was a difference on this side of KZitem, but that guitar sounds nothing like mine. And I know that is probably because of all the above. There are so many things that alter tones. I have taken dud guitars that were great after proper setups. The smallest change in one of many places can make huge differences. Even strings can make differences. And taste dictates which are better. The rabbit hole is deep. In this case we have less variables because we are both chasing the burst flavor, of which there are many, but all the good ones are pretty much in the same ballpark with subtle differences. They all do something pretty special with the E B G strings. I would be interested to know the ohm readings on those S branded Goto's. Apparently they used different Goto's in the 60 than in the 80. You would think the upper level ones would get the better sets. Or maybe the D and S are not different. Just from a different person that make them. Who knows. As you move up in the line of LS they start using Dimarzio PAFs. And that is what they use also in there flagship LS200. I have a pair that came with my ES-150R. But they came in the case as the gentleman whom I bought the guitar from did like you did and replaced them. He put some OX4 low winds in it. Thank God he saved the originals and included them in the purchase. He didn't change the pots and caps though. I plan on doing that in the near future. I highly recommend the OX4's. They sound amazing even with the shit electronics that come in the Tokais. I do look forward to testing the Dimarzio's. I have heard they are amazing from that era but later ones are not. I just do not want to touch my LS60 because it is perfect. But it would be so much easier to swap them in that guitar than the ES. ES style guitars are a pain in the ass. Especially if you have never done it before. And it sound so good as it is, I am having a hard time getting motivated to do anything with it. I do all my testing straight in. Just on the edge. The best tones will translate the same with effects and gain. And it is much easier to hear the differences in harmonics and the nuances. The Vintage Tokais have gone through the roof in cost just in the last couple of years. And finding them in the States is not easy. I have a feeling they are going to increase in value. I bought mine for 12 and they are going for over 2k now. Yours being the first year with the Les Paul logo is one of the most desired with collectors. So congrats. You have something very special there. I am waiting to find an 80 or above at 8.5 pounds or lighter. Mine is a 10 pounder and that is the only thing I don't like about it.
@user-kx2od2rh5r
Жыл бұрын
I second the amazing tone of the stock pickups on the LS-60. Mine can get all kinds of tone, and are so unique sounding that I find myself speculating that each humbucker might have been wired with the coils that are either unbalanced (modestly different windings) or perhaps with the leads reversed (not sure if it's out of phase). I can get what sounds like very musical out of phase tone (spongy, but still with good definition and attack) on each pickup dialing down the tone, AND I can get musical OOP tone when both are on. Never thought I liked Peter Green tone, but I find I can play happily with it now that I have it on the 60. The bridge pickup can even sound sweet like a nice neck pickup (and I generally don't like neck HBs on Les Pauls). My 60 is the ultimate keeper among many other more collectible guitars. I'll have to check out the letter designation on the pickups now that the discussion has raised that feature.
@chuckyz2
Жыл бұрын
@@user-kx2od2rh5r No reversed polarity on mine. I really never cared for it.
@RICO_SUAVE21
2 жыл бұрын
Both Pickups sounds great.... I just listened to this through some expensive monitors and the stock Gotoh pickups sound almost the same as the Doyles in this youtube video. The Doyles have a bit more clarity and note definition and openness. I wish Gotoh still made these pickup!!
@These_go_to_eleven_1959
7 ай бұрын
that is how i heard the DC's as well👍
@breathtimebreath4934
Ай бұрын
Killer!!! LOVE OLD SCHOOL TOKAI & MATCHLESS AMPLIFIERS!!!!!
@Bob.Silverstein
17 күн бұрын
I thought the stock pickups sounded better but perhaps what I heard was slightly lower output from the Doyle.
@huskvarsm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that I really thought my pickups were ok till I heard those Doyle coils also Doug and pat are fans of Tom Doyle’s pickups.
@These_go_to_eleven_1959
7 ай бұрын
I originally wanted the Stephens Designed 59' set but the wait time is too long. Best set i have heard apart from the real P.A.F'. They are on a vid here on YT that guitar player did and voted his set Best PAF in a shootout. They look identical as well.
@johnmcwhirter2526
3 жыл бұрын
I seriously think stock pups sounded better, not by much, but better to my ears.
@CatchMeOutside361
3 жыл бұрын
It’s all subject. Doyle’s definitely brighter and slightly more scooped. Stock PUs not bad at all tho
@jimbeam-ru1my
6 ай бұрын
they did under some uses. I think the dc's sounded a little better with distortion, but not by much. it definitely wasn't a night and day difference and definitely doesn't motivate me to go spend 500 bucks on dc's when I could buy low end japanese pickups that sound almost as good.
@277southtombob
3 жыл бұрын
Those stock pickups are great sounding but the Doyle’s are a bit clearer and have a bit less mids which I do like. I imagine it’s probably a lot to do with slightly unbalanced coils as the 50’s PAFs had. I’ve actually had great luck getting a similar result by raising the screw poles about 1/8 inch and lowering the pickup just a bit.
@paulcowart3174
3 жыл бұрын
Yes actually most of the pics from the 70's most of the LP aces have them fairly low in the mount
@jimbeam-ru1my
6 ай бұрын
the doyle coils sound a little better, but not 500 dollars worth of better. The truth about boutique pickups is that most of what you are paying for is the label. If I owned that tokai, I'd stick with the stock pickups. I think the difference is because goto had to wire their pickups hotter to compensate for the brass baseplate and hotter tends to make pickups less clear and defined. If you check the resistance of those goto's I'd bet its way higher than you imagine it is. A higher grade version of those goto's with a nickel baseplate could have a lower resistance and would probably eat the dc's for lunch.
@These_go_to_eleven_1959
7 ай бұрын
REAL CLOSE! But my vote goes to the DC's! his pu's has that richness i like that i did not hear from the Gotoh set. Those old Gotoh's are killer though! 🤯 I found my new pu's! 👍 BTW $500 for the set is not that unreasonable because WIZZ and 8 Bomb are close to that cost and Gibson is selling a set of 1959 repro's now for $1000!!!!😱 Yeah you read that right! $1000!
@paulcowart3174
3 жыл бұрын
Yes Tanner did a fantastic job on that video and got me on the Doyle coil's...Wizz I enjoyed as well Was actually going to get some Lollar low winds till I saw the demo WCR is good too So many great clones out there right now Haven't pulled the trigger yet for my 2019 HCS Standard When I saw this particular one weighed 8.4 lbs I grabbed it but did get to play it first in a road trip up to Nashville so wasn't flying blind on such a pricey guitar Super happy how she sits right now so taking my time if I do decide to upgrade Cheers
@matthewf1979
2 жыл бұрын
Mojotone ‘59 Clones-Low Wind are a great alternative to the Doyle Coils. 1/3rd the price too.
@These_go_to_eleven_1959
7 ай бұрын
Are they really that good? I keep hearing about those?
@matthewf1979
7 ай бұрын
@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 They are really good in my opinion. A lot of clear, defined high end on the neck pickup and the bridge is still hot enough to drive an amp. The neck pickup is shocking if you aren't prepared for the clarity. A mid to late 60's Gibson T top is the most common pickup I can think of that's in the ballpark.
@These_go_to_eleven_1959
7 ай бұрын
@@matthewf1979 I will have to look into a used set to try thanks
@marais888
3 жыл бұрын
Doyle coils captured more nuances, very gentle and intuitive.
@paulwright7842
2 жыл бұрын
I also have a ‘79 LS80 Reborn. The stock pickups are not only great as they are installed they are out of phase. At some point I was chasing the Peter Green/Gary Moore ‘Greeny’ tone, but I’m some ways this accidental wiring setup is even better to me than just getting the Greeny tone. The out of phase middle position is more subtle and capable of finer nuance balancing the tone and volume controls. I actually wonder if each of the HBs are actually out of phase with themselves. They each (neck/bridge) get spongier and a bit phasey on their own as you go lower than 5 on the tone knob. Way more versatile than I expected but differ from the typical humbucker tonal sweet spots. Been sitting on a pair of Doyles for awhile, and know I can get the great tone and clarity you demonstrate, but I might leave mine original and drop the Doyles in another guitar.
@briancarter4729
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Brian! I enjoyed your demo on so many levels. Your guitar looks and sounds fabulous with either set of pickups. I think the Doyle's just edge in front because of the note separation and a bit more clarity but the guitar just sounds great either way. I'm a huge Tokai fan. Bought my first 1982 Tokai Strat on July 13th 1985, Live Aid morning, and I still have it. I also have a 1981 Tokai ES150 with original pickups and they really do sound like a great PAF. I have had several high end sets in that guitar but the originals just suit it the best. Then of course Gotoh went on to "improve" them over the years! I won't go there. I also watch Yeatzee and I liked the Doyle coils the best in his Goldtop too. Enjoy that guitar of yours for many years to come AND keep hold of the original pickups! Regards, Brian.
@bryanwilliams3665
2 жыл бұрын
Well done on getting a great "1979" Les Paul... The Set Neck Tokais were really good and you have a beauty here ..Generally better than the Norlin Gibsons of the same era which were often over weight pigs with those gaudy "Clownburst" finishes ..
@aaronbrown0417
2 жыл бұрын
Those old tokai guitars were outselling gibson for a reason in the 70s... because they sounded better than the stuff of its day and like the originals. The stock don't sound bad at all
@13aphomet
Ай бұрын
Did you have to drill out the Tokai for these pots?
@mickbuckley9257
3 жыл бұрын
Think the new pickups have a little more clarity and sustain to my ears but they’re pretty close
@Funkymojo75
Жыл бұрын
Lovely tone and playing and your 79 Tokai Reborn LS80 is killer. I have an 80 Tokai Reborn LS120. It's probably one of the best Les Paul I've ever owned. Better than my 81 Gibson Les Paul Custom, 2008 R8 and 2014 R9. My LS120 came stock with DiMarzio PAF which sounds really good but I'm planning to change pickups in the near future. When you change the stock pots with the circuit board with CTS pots. Did you enlarge the holes on the guitar? And did you need to change the knobs as well? Thanks...
@danielcarter3928
2 жыл бұрын
the Doyle Coils definitely sound better in my opinon
@ChrisHendrix117
3 жыл бұрын
Killer axe Brian! Makes me wish I still had my Tokai tele...
@wttone
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris! This is the only Tokai I’ve played but it’s got the magic in it.
@edtriv
2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned a video about the guitar but I can't find it. Just got a 79 LS 100 with stock Dimarzio "PAF" Do you know if these guitars have a long neck tenon and Brazilian board? Thank you.
@zacharykim295
3 жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever played with Dynasonics/DeArmonds? Very interesting pups, curious to hear your opinion on them
@DogDaze66
10 ай бұрын
You need to use an old JTM 45 or a JMP 50 or a Two Rock . Not whatever you are plugged into.
@wttone
9 ай бұрын
Those are some expensive items that you say I ‘need’ to have. FWIW, I do have a Two Rock (TS1), and I have a JTM45/100 (technically a Super 100 JH). I don’t exactly remember what I used in this video, but it was most likely a modeler, which makes it a lot easier to keep things consistent when doing A/B comparisons.
@jimbeam-ru1my
6 ай бұрын
what, you can't tell the difference in tone if it isn't plugged into a marshall?
@danielcarter3928
2 жыл бұрын
awesome video!
@EstebanOnGuitar
2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid! Would you happen to know the dcr of the doyle coils?
@Charly-ul9qe
3 жыл бұрын
Is it made in Japan? Surely is amazing!
@bmitchellmusic
3 жыл бұрын
FIRST
@garethnaicker4225
3 жыл бұрын
You don't count 🤣🤣🤣
@ChrisHendrix117
3 жыл бұрын
Well played...
@stevenplacke5709
3 жыл бұрын
Ok but third
@malthus101
2 жыл бұрын
not much in it
@jamiemorgan4146
10 ай бұрын
Your dream guitar was a Tokyo???? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Any aftermarket PAF will sound better than Goto..
@jimbeam-ru1my
6 ай бұрын
and yet a 500 dollar pair of boutique pickups sounded almost exactly the same
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