Very thoughtful review. I think I agree with everything. It's so cool to see the world building/conclusion to the Golden Path. But it's a lot of people standing around talking philosophy. Very interesting ideas but not "fun" or as you say, "entertaining". It's also really long! I loved the relationship stuff. That was tragic. While Duncan wasn't the same, I felt that was the interesting part. It's like cloning your favorite dog over and over for Leto. The forgetting was the hard part. The Museum Fremen were WILD. I'm glad I read it but I'm not itching for a reread.
@BenjaminsBookclub
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I feel like with Duncan the idea is fantastic, but the iteration of Duncan we see, this copy, was really boring, I think I would like the idea more if we saw several copies one after another, and then could compare them and see how they reacted differently/the same and through that could explore a lot of cool ideas. Oh and yeah the museum freman are probably my faveorite part of the book, if we had spent more time with them Nd especially with Duncan living among them trying to teach them what he knows of the freman, I would of enjoyed it more. I agree I am glad I read it, but I was expecting more. Perhaps in a year or so I will give it a re-read and see how it stands up then.
@kingkusnacht
4 ай бұрын
This is also my least favourite of the six original books. Like yourself, I enjoyed the philosophical themes and some of the interests concepts and ideas explored, however the story itself is not as compelling as the others. Nonetheless, I still enjoyed it overall.
@BenjaminsBookclub
4 ай бұрын
I think I would of enjoyed it more had I not been so excited to get to it, with everyone loving it so much. I agree though, the ideas and concepts are fanastic, just nothing really happens story wise that's compelling. Oh well! Not every book is everyones cup of tea I suppose! How did you enjoy Heretics? I am considering diving back into Dune soon
@kingkusnacht
4 ай бұрын
@@BenjaminsBookclub Heretics and Chatperhouse Dune return to the more common style associated with Frank Herbert seen throughout Dune and Children of Dune. I think you’ll enjoy then a lot more
@BenjaminsBookclub
4 ай бұрын
@@kingkusnacht Fantastic! Thanks!
@KALIONKA099
Ай бұрын
Interesting and also boring because of the length of the internal philosophical conversations and there are no intervening doses of action to restore enthusiasm. I see that everything in this book is explained from a macro perspective of organizing humanity over generations and ages to reach a specific goal (the golden path). The ethics may raise questions and the method is not entirely morally acceptable, but we are not talking about individual rights and also the one who manages this goal has an absolute truth and a noble goal that he seeks, so there is no room for moral debate based on an individual perspective. The one who runs the project is the most knowledgeable, capable and worthy in the galaxy and has no equal or competitor. He contains within him countless generations of previous human experiences and accumulated information and has the ability to know the future with certainty and the power to rule and implement. He does not look at individuals or just the human collective, but rather looks at the development of humanity as a race over the ages physiologically, mentally and psychologically. He plays the role of natural selection to qualify humanity for the golden path that ensures their survival. Therefore, he has an objective truth that justifies his actions that he may not accept as an ordinary human being. Commenting on his view of women and men in a societal system, I think he looks at it as we look at societies of elephants, wolves, chimpanzees and bonobos, for example. And how do these societies interact in which leadership is male or female? Apart from our individual views on the subject (including the author’s view), women and men differ in the way they solve problems and interact with different situations, negatively and positively. There is also the rest of his human side, which shows us his personal suffering as the world changes around him and he becomes increasingly isolated, alienated, lonely and in pain. Humans are not meant to play the role of God, as they are not prepared for that.
@BenjaminsBookclub
Ай бұрын
I agree, it was a long book where almost nothing happened. thinking of Leto thinking about humans as we would think about animals is very interesting, I hadn't considered that it makes a lot of sense. The book was super interesting, but just also very dull, and I was pretty disssapointed by the ending.
@Anduresu
5 ай бұрын
I felt that though when I found out the worms go away for a while it really hit deep cuz it’s like all of my love for dune came from arrakis and eveything it was with the worms, it’s such a sureal type of ghetto feeling I get thinking about how diversified the fremen are yet how harsh living conditions are for them in this infinite desert. Just thinking about nights on arrakis may seem dreadful for others but is something I wish I could legitimately experience. The characteristics of the worms and spice have a even harder grasp of my curiosity so when I find out it goes away, it’s kind like the planet just gets destroyed. Everything that grabs ahold of readers is basically gone by god emperor
@BenjaminsBookclub
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, The Arrakis in this book is a far cry from the one of the first three for sure. There are hints of it still, which makes the changes very sorrowful I think, really hit me how much the Freman had lost of themselves and their world. Can't argue that the planet is better to live on by the time of God Emperor, but it's lost its soul.
@oiPhantom
4 ай бұрын
Great video and I feel the same way. Loved a lot of the ideas and world-building but reading it as a narrative really was a bit of a slog. Interesting thought about how our expectations may change our experience with the book. I also came into it really excited, knowing a lot of people considered God Emperor the pinnacle of the series. Unfortunately after getting through it my appetite for Dune is blunted somewhat. Gonna take a break and then some before reading the last two books.
@BenjaminsBookclub
4 ай бұрын
I agree, my appetite for Dune definitely took a hit. I am just now considering putting Heretics of Dune back on my shortlist pile of books to read soon. Thanks so much :)
@zombiehampster1397
5 ай бұрын
Heresy! l actually loved God Emperor and found it really really interesting. Can't really agree with you, but to each his own.
@BenjaminsBookclub
5 ай бұрын
Don't tell the Fish Speakers about my heresy! Yeah I think I am definitely in the minority on this one, I was just expecting a lot more, fun I suppose, after so many people saying it was their favorite of the series. I'm really glad you liked it!
@stojanovicnikola95
3 ай бұрын
I had exactly the same experience on every point you made
@BenjaminsBookclub
3 ай бұрын
It's good to know I'm not thinking like a crazy person sometimes haha.
@Anduresu
5 ай бұрын
What about chapter house?
@BenjaminsBookclub
5 ай бұрын
I have not yet got to Heretics of Dune or Chapterhouse Dune yet. Taking a break after reading the first 4 books in a few weeks. I suspect I will get to Heretics and Chapterhouse in a few months.
@Gene-m5u
25 күн бұрын
I just finished GEoDune today and I very much agree with your points. I thought to myself "am I too dumb for this?" because some of the conversations between Moneo and Leto were just not landing. I do really like Leto as a character, but everyone else just seemed boring. I also felt Duncan was annoying. All in all I might have just mistakenly expected too much of this book, I went in with high hopes and feel a bit let down.
@BenjaminsBookclub
25 күн бұрын
Yeah the overriding response I've seen is that people went in with high expectations and were let down. I can see why some people liked this one a lot, but it just wasn't for me at all. If anything my opinion on it has gone down since reading it. What did you think of Messiah & Children?
@Gene-m5u
25 күн бұрын
@@BenjaminsBookclub I absolutely loved Messiah I think it's my favorite of all the installments, and Children was cool but I was super sad about Alia"s possessions. I felt like everything was falling apart
@BenjaminsBookclub
25 күн бұрын
@@Gene-m5u Completely agree about Messiah, it's my favorite for sure.
@Gene-m5u
12 күн бұрын
@@BenjaminsBookclub just wanted to recommend reading heretics, im 100 pages in and im really enjoying it
@BenjaminsBookclub
11 күн бұрын
@@Gene-m5u awesome! I've heard a few people really liked it now. It's definitely on my list to try to do before the end of the year. Thanks so much!
@amuellermathtuberlin
5 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed listening to your considered approach to what the book offered and how it was or wasnt for you. Thank you!
@BenjaminsBookclub
5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@thomasbaxter1371
5 ай бұрын
Hmmmmmm...Interesting. Let the book sit with you for a while - it'll do it's work over time.
@BenjaminsBookclub
5 ай бұрын
You know, sometimes I fear the downside of reading so many books, is some like god Emperor may not have the time to marinate that they need afterwards. Jumping into a new book within 12 hours of finishing the last and all. I do hope my opinion changes on a re-read, which I suspect I will do next year. Thanks for watching!
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