I've seen some people asking about the validity of this e-mail, as in who sent it and where it came from, so I just wanted to attempt to clear it up: This was not sent from someone's personal e-mail address who just claimed to work at the venue. The e-mail received came from an @fetemusic.com address, which is the official domain of the venue. The person gave me their full name as well as job title, both of which I was able to confirm were legitimate before I even talked about this on Twitch. I replied to them asking if they cared if I were to bring up this e-mail on stream, to which they replied with a second e-mail stating that it was fine as long as I omitted their name or anyone else at the venue's name due to the ongoing threats they were getting towards the venue.
@dragoslove
10 ай бұрын
This entire thing sounds like someone in management who is going off of whatever their security team has told them.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
@@dragoslove I've gotta imagine that's the case, considering at one point in the e-mail he states when he actually showed up to take place in a discussion.
@VoidDWG
5 ай бұрын
For the "non music" people, might be a good idea to explain what "full gear" for road crew *is*.
@eddiekalista3222
10 ай бұрын
This isn’t fence sitting. It’s journalism. You’ve presented the events from the perspectives of the venue, the tour package, and the attendees, and presented info you’ve found to add context and information to the story. It’s unbiased journalism. Some people have never seen it before, so they don’t know how to handle receiving information without a bias.
@MuzakMaker
10 ай бұрын
And frankly it's refreshing to have a more balanced take on things from the metal world. I don't always agree with Tank BUT it sure as hell beats the click baiting of sites like Metal Sucks, Metal Injection, Loudwire, etc.
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
very that. and further, he wasn't there, so it's not like he can know for certain, no matter how many witnesses like myself leave comments and give our statements. I TOTALLY understand tank not wanting to state things as facts that he has no way of knowing if they're actually true or not. That's just irresponsible and asking to get slapped with a libel/defamation suit
@sympotaz2960
10 ай бұрын
And that's what tank does. He doesn't say that 'this is all facts' or he knows for sure 'what happened'. All he is doing is reporting on all the information he has been told/read/seen. I know he is very good at his what he does and until EVERYTHING comes to light, this is an investigation which may OR may not be true. But I myself am inclined to trust tanks judgement.
@elvwood
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. It is the way Tank clearly states what is fact, what is viewpoint, and what is speculation that makes the video worth watching. I'd much rather this than hear someone's uninformed rant, thank you!
@jonnymac8925
10 ай бұрын
Yah it's actually nice to see some coverage that doesn't try to use feelings to try to to make people feel a certain way, and let's everyone come to their own conclusion. I'm not sure why people are so interested in news/journalism that forces a bias, other than to confirm their bias which is wildly disingenuous.
@Andy_from_de
10 ай бұрын
Now that the drama trilogy is complete let's hope you don't have to do an extended director's cut or something.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
THE SUPER SPECIAL EXTENDED BEHIND THE SCENES DIRECTOR'S CUT COLLECTOR'S EDITION
@bennybooboo6789
10 ай бұрын
@@TankTheTechThe Snyder Cut
@Tobias.Mattsson
10 ай бұрын
Well... I'm not so sure about that. Recently... Or perhaps even the past year or so, I've been what we call it in Sweden "killgissa", which translates to "guys-guessing" and I have a rough 80-90% correctness of my guy-guessing in anything from stupidity to stuff at work, and I've been working professionally within the events industry since my first stagehand job in July 2008. My guy-guessing is that this story won't end here, but when a couple of more videos surface, someone from the crew sends you an email, more witnesses shares their saying and perhaps a few other details present themselves, there's gonna be a 4th and maybe a 5th video where everything will be clear as a 15 times distilled vodka alternatively natures purest water. I have worked as a security on hundreds of events of any kind, concerts, sports, political, and others, door security at bars, military and others outside of events... This should never ever happen anywhere! The security staff are just not trained professionally and that's necessarily not the staff themselves fault, but rather their bosses at the company they are employed by. It is a crowd-management issue up to the top. The owners, their Head of Security, and the Supervisors aren't professional and teach their security crew how to handle different types of crowds. "Security" is just a too hard word. More event security companies should rather do what one of the companies I work for, print "Service & Safety" on the clothes. Within "Service & Safety" there's a silent "Security". Event security is just my part-time job because I freelance and have been working more within the tech part of the industry, stagehand, stage tech, touring etc, so after over 16 years within the industry I have a pretty good picture of the while industry. All the beet Tank and stay safe! 👊🤙
@vilmnil1420
10 ай бұрын
Featuring Jermey Clarckson and James May
@daverichards9141
10 ай бұрын
@@TankTheTech steel book edition?
@tyler6722
10 ай бұрын
Just look at the Google reviews of the venue, people have been having issues with their security for YEARS before this whole fiasco. Plus the owner gets super angry and defensive in his responses, I think it's pretty clear they're always scrambling to cover their asses
@robertp457
10 ай бұрын
That’s not conclusive. I’ve read reviews from people who don’t like fish going to red lobster and complaining about the restaurants lack of non-seafood items. I’ve read reviews of pork belly complaining about how fatty it is. I bet their are complaints at a lot of venues about security that’s doesn’t mean security is actually a problem that just means people have written complaints.
@blackroomrob4205
10 ай бұрын
@robertp457 that's where you learn to differentiate bullshit from legitimate. The fish guy at Red Lobster is an asshat but I feel like most of the reviews that single out this venue's security will have a pattern to them
@RuNeN00b
10 ай бұрын
one of the managers of the venue was trying super hard to defend the venue in jeff rosenstock's tour post on instagram, kinda hilarious to watch
@joeyhoser
10 ай бұрын
@@robertp457 That's a pretty terrible analogy. What if there was a long history of complaints about people being beat up by security at said Reb Lobster?
@IkLms11
10 ай бұрын
@@robertp457you can definitely tell what's bullshit and not. Anecdotal but when you look at the number of reviews they have that mention security vs their total review, and compare that to a local venue near me that is known for having overly aggressive security, the rate is double which leads me to think they're pretty bad. It would be a lot of very weirdly targeted bad reviews to get it that high. And with the responses the owner is giving to many of the reviews, is very confrontational which doesn't exactly dispute the narrative of aggressive staff.
@jeezycreezy4220
10 ай бұрын
If the problem was with the road crew, we'd be hearing about issues across the entire WCAR tour, not just at this one venue.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
Well, I'll be at their show in Nashville on Sunday so we'll see how it goes.
@TRZN91
10 ай бұрын
Nah man it's an industry secret you can only get away with jumping security once, MAYBE twice if you do the second one on the last stop, per tour. That way they don't catch on to yah 🤫😉. Also gotta be sure to shake down the venue & make sure they let your angry mob of fans buy merch to support to make the tour more money.
@jerryh9526
10 ай бұрын
We Came As Mormons?
@CaliDBan
10 ай бұрын
@@TankTheTech That'll be a solid piece of content for you to see first hand. I don't know how Nashville fans are but you know how it's different state to state. It's just a look at this giant pie depending on locale. You know this, doesn't need to be said but look forward to your breakdown. 👍
@jeezycreezy4220
10 ай бұрын
@@jerryh9526 fixed, my bad
@patrickmcpartland1398
10 ай бұрын
Are you telling me they don't have security cameras that would show the staff getting jumped? For get no cell phone videos, it's even more suspicious that the venue won't release any vof their video showing the wonderful professional behavior of their security staff being innocently assaulted by road crew....
@edcrichton9457
10 ай бұрын
If they claim road crew assaulted security staff where are the police reports?
@robertp457
10 ай бұрын
You saw how crappy the phone camera footage was, right? How much money would the venue have to spend on cameras that are good enough to capture low light video good enough to be usefully?
@robertp457
10 ай бұрын
@@edcrichton9457where are the police reports about security?
@kanoaikawach
10 ай бұрын
@@robertp457They never said they called the police.
@medea27
10 ай бұрын
@@robertp457 Your average home has security cameras that you can buy for cheap online that records in lowlight in 720p... so there's far more likelihood of a fixed _commercial_ security camera picking up an altercation in the areas near the doors & outside the venue than anyone capturing it on a phone in the crowd. I know several venue owners/managers & they _all_ have extensive camera coverage of the entrances/exits for insurance purposes, as well as for venue & event security... you don't want people sneaking in through fire exits without paying, or trashed patrons passing out in low traffic areas & having a medical emergency. So the irony is... by this employee trying to use the argument that no-one _in the crowd_ has footage they have only highlighted the _venue's_ reluctance to release the footage they more than likely have.
@priorisgod22
10 ай бұрын
If the venue had any inkling that the security might be at fault here for ANY of it, would they have just been better accepting the blame and saying "we understand the issues and complaints with our security staff and we will immediately look to rectify the situation moving forward"? They have now dug their heels in so hard, that if any bit of footage comes out that a security guard laid a finger on anyone (also for ANY future shows), they are going to get slaughtered in the social media channels.
@thestew57
10 ай бұрын
Legally speaking: If they admit this, then they are liable .. I am sure their legal team has advised them to pass the blame so they retain their outs
@priorisgod22
10 ай бұрын
@@thestew57 I completely get that viewpoint. I would imagine there would be a legal method of saying that they are hearing complaints about their security staff and that they will do an internal investigation and assess, that does so without admitting guilt, that they could soften the blow. Any shows at their venue for the foreseeable future are going to be scrutinized so hard, that if their security had minor cracks before, they will be tested now. Just imo.
@thestew57
10 ай бұрын
@@priorisgod22 Of course. It really is a CYA approach to mitigate any potential liability/fault either for the venue and the tour at this point in case there is any sort of lawsuit brought on by the individual involved. Also I am sure there is limitations even to the event space with their "Liability Waiver" either on the ticket or posted in the venue if there is any that may still leave room for potential liability to the tour or venue even still. But if the end result results in more competent security being hired, or better practices, then that is a step in the right direction. No one wants to get hurt at a show, the whole point is going and having fun enjoying the experience and even making new friends. Anything to enhance the experience and safety and getting rid of bad actors I am all for.
@robertp457
10 ай бұрын
Or if the band does the same thing at another venue.
@UziMusic
10 ай бұрын
Maybe the venue owner has financial stake in the security operation too? Maybe its a bit dodgy, mobbed up or something?
@connormckeel9564
10 ай бұрын
Tank, thanks for staying a fence sitter! It's because of people like you that we can actually find out properly what went on.
@eatassonthefirstdate
10 ай бұрын
he's doing it to protect his career😅 im glad im from the Midwest, shows in Detroit/Cleveland/Chicago/Pittsburgh we have SOSF or BFL crews back in the day we had Courage Crew, and staff got FVCKED UP if they got outta line.
@brandedtokill
10 ай бұрын
@@eatassonthefirstdateit’s interesting that you think no one would actually want to be impartial & unbiased, & that they must have some underhanded motive for not taking an extreme position on an issue where they weren’t there & they don’t actually know what happened.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
@@eatassonthefirstdate I'm curious how you think I'm protecting my career? I don't work at a venue. I've never worked for any of the bands on the tour. I literally have no personal connections to either party. 😂
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
@@TankTheTech to be fair, i imagine you probably do have to be somewhat careful of what you say, given we live in the age of slapp suits, and no one needs to get hit with a libel/defamation suit. but more importantly, you weren't there, so no matter how many people like me give you first hand accounts, you don't truly have a way of knowing what happened and what didn't. and i for one, appreciate the unbiased reporting of the facts, and the info that you've been given/info you've been able to verify, as well as laying out what all you've heard and what your OPINIONS are. to me, it seems like level headed, unbiased journalism, and i appreciate that
@madisimonne
10 ай бұрын
8:50 Listen, I always comment on your videos through the lens of my own professional experience in public relations, and this statement/ clarification e-mail from the venue is my fucking worst nightmare!!!! It didn't start strong to begin with (deflecting blame, inability to take ownership of what occurred at THEIR venue, I could go on), but the time stamp I tagged made me audibly groan. I’m begging these people to outsource an agency or contract someone to help them. I have no idea how this was approved to send to ANYONE, let alone someone with a platform as large as yours, to attempt to rectify the situation or clear their name. Jesus. Christ.😭
@GuitarZeroPlus
10 ай бұрын
As a french person I can guarantee the way you pronounce fête from the very beginning is the correct way. Don't know who told you otherwise but probably not french native speaker. Other than that, this drama is very entertaining 😅
@xnoelxtuneothday
10 ай бұрын
Funnily enough, it is (as you say) pronounced "fet" in French. But then when we borrowed it into English, we mangled it into "fate", and now correct people for saying the original. Pretty standard English behaviour, really.
@caseysmith544
10 ай бұрын
Or they are Canadian French, possibly even worse the French rural people around New Orleans/Southern Louisiana area.
@SanguineRedGames
10 ай бұрын
I really appreciate your impartiality and genuine perspective and also being a nice human being that understands not everything is black and white. Keep being you old bean. Your opinions and views are of a level headed person and I always appreciate them.
@craigs1266
10 ай бұрын
I concur.
@krusher74
10 ай бұрын
"Which establishment in their right mind would assult or mistreat a customer unless they stepped out of line?" The person who wrote the email is not to be trusted if they would write such a thing and not understand its meaning.
@JAF729
10 ай бұрын
This destroyed a lot of their credibility and demonstrated they probably did not know how to properly handle the situation.
@nereol9165
10 ай бұрын
Also kinda reads like "Yes someone broke the (our) rules and therefore we mistreated them". What?!
@tyler6722
10 ай бұрын
Nailed it
@robertp457
10 ай бұрын
That’s assuming they did something wrong, though.
@regortex3364
10 ай бұрын
We Came as Romans and Left as Nutless Pussies
@shawnfee9107
10 ай бұрын
This is why security managers need to pregame. If you know 'X band/act' is coming to the venue, you should look up live footage of them to gain insight into what the crowd may be like. Once they have an idea, they should meet/call/video chat with the tour manager to come to an agreement on what will and will not be allowed. Then, relay that information to your security team before the show, and even showcase clips of stuff that security MAY mistake for unwanted behavior; moshing, hardcore dancing, crowd surfing, etc. Shit like this would happen a lot less if people would stop being fucking lazy and put the slightest bit of effort into their job and communicate.
@OperationMadDog
10 ай бұрын
in one location I worked the security always had a 2 hour briefing before the show of what they might expect that evening. be it a a hardcore show or just a poetry slam and in the 10 years there never was an incident
@scottzinn6326
10 ай бұрын
@@OperationMadDog same and for the festivals the venue held we had a day long briefing and venue walk through.
@rollingmetal949
10 ай бұрын
About "Being fence sitter" honestly these type of things are kinda damned if you do damned if you don't. Somebody is getting pissed in every scenario. Much love Tank I and most your followers know you just don't want to add to an already ugly situation
@not9387
10 ай бұрын
Gotta pick a side, gotta pick a team, its us against them. This mindset is a terrible thing and divides us even further.
@wyganter
10 ай бұрын
Hey, it works for police unions in the USA.
@ThomasMetal75
10 ай бұрын
Pick a side? No! Make up your own mind what to believe. The information has been presented. You do what you want with the info.
@rf-cattleprod6207
10 ай бұрын
This is how scenes die. I'm old and been through all this. It's like watching the past. Except now we have internet and YT and smartphones. Less AIDS cases these days so I guess that's good.
@UziMusic
10 ай бұрын
Everyone want black and white answers to grey questions
@brianpinion5844
10 ай бұрын
so true . us against them , what the jail staff told me before. judge no man by his job , skin color , skinny , fat , don't care ,if good to me , I'm good to you, ex wife may argue that one but , she had a twin , come on
@Sanct1mon1a
10 ай бұрын
I demand a part IV-IX. We need as many videos of this as there is Star Wars.
@BramBergs
10 ай бұрын
Here's a story Disney won't fuck up. Siked!
@yippykiay13
10 ай бұрын
We also need spin-off series, a toy line, and a Christmas special.
@smokejaguarsix7757
10 ай бұрын
Go back into show comments going back months, even years. This venue has a LONG history of their security attacking people. They wont share the security video. Why? When a venue wont share the video I dont think its unfair to assume they are hiding it because they know its bad for them and I feel like they are afraid of a lawsuit. Edit: Also, notice he says "After the singer said what he said I was informed of the situation." This guy didnt see ANY of it. He just admitted it. He is only telling you what other people, likely the security at the center of all this told him. His side of it is heresay. He didnt see any of it so he isnt even a witness.
@Gothkitty23
10 ай бұрын
I call Bullshit on this venue staffs entire statement. They are yet again trying to shift blame away from their staff and venue. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@counterfiction
10 ай бұрын
As a former promoter, the "stay inside after a canceled show to buy merch" part is totally plausible. I had a band back in the day that did EXACTLY that. It's definitely not out of the question.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
If safety were a concern after all of this stuff going on, I find it unlikely that either party (the band or venue) would want people in their longer than necessary. Could have happened, but I find it odd.
@MyYTwatcher
10 ай бұрын
@@TankTheTech To be honest, I find that comment plausibe too. Money in the first place.
@wardrich
10 ай бұрын
I would kinda prefer if this was more common of a thing, tbh. Sometimes I wanna enjoy the band lineup and not the merch table lineup while the bands are playing.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
Totally get that. But in this specific situation, if there really was an issue with security, the bands, and the safety of the crowd, having them stay in there for 45 minutes past the show getting cancelled is a real head scratcher to me.
@acehangman617
10 ай бұрын
I guess that does go towards the side of them not really being afraid of security or feeling they were in danger. You're right, when you put it that way. It does make it sound like they're inflating how 'scared' they were of the venue staff when you think about it objectively. @@TankTheTech
@hunterking6033
10 ай бұрын
I love when businesses fire people but also claim the person didn't do what they're acused of. That's shady af.
@philipmitchell3450
10 ай бұрын
People sending threats to them have no shame. That is pathetic.
@arguy2021
10 ай бұрын
I'm on the fence as well, but there should definitely be an inherent distrust to online comments of people who can't have their Identities validated in a meaningful way. I don't think Internet comments should ever be taken at face value unless the person can show the video footage you have been desiring to see. Someone saying "I was there" doesn't actually prove anything except that a peson online is claiming to have been there.
@sociallyineptclownprincech8731
10 ай бұрын
So he is saying security didn’t have flashlights when they normally do and also didn’t have vests or gear to identify them as security when they normally do, and that they wouldn’t assault someone unless it’s necessary. Either they are lying or they are admitting they had lax unprepared security and they are ok with that level of operational unpreparedness which is not a good look
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
as someone who was there, i can tell you that's a flat out lie. They had flashlights. And also shirts, grey polo shirts that said SECURITY on the back in black letters. cuz duh, all security has shirts
@sociallyineptclownprincech8731
10 ай бұрын
@@bottomofastairwell that makes sense, this is an established venue, this isn’t their first show, far from it so the very idea that they weren’t properly equipped is ludicrous at best I just find it rather interesting that the person who sent this email had the option to go with ANY story they chose to paint their side in a better light but chose to claim they were incompetent and underprepared rather than incompetent and violent yet doesn’t seem to realize that he still made them look bad. And somehow still failed on the non violent part by saying they have an established threshold for when assault is viewed as proper, whether that is a poor wording choice or not, this person came out with an official response and did not take the time to make sure it was actually professional which in the end just lends more credence to the idea that the Fete Establishment is incompetent at best, if not downright a reckless danger to the community.
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
@@sociallyineptclownprincech8731 right? That "unless" really got me. So like, okay, if a patron dm behave, then no, you can't start shit. But apparently if a patron does get unruly, THAT justifies the staff assaulting them? That's how it read at least. And like, I've been to hundreds of shows (90 of them this year alone, coz we're trying to hit 100), and never once did staff not have flashlights. If the lights get turned down, staff has flashlights, otherwise it's just unsafe. Hell, i even had a flashlight when I was bartender at a nightclub to signal security of we needed it. Like, what? Of all the things to lie about. They could have just said, "yeah, we have flashlights for safety reasons." And just denied shining then in people's faces, made up some lie about how maybe people mixed up their lights and the stage lights or something. That would've been more believable, even if it was still a lie
@dustercat21
10 ай бұрын
Being in so many pits, definitely not a place for phones unless you want them accidently flung out of your hands and broken lol
@jackcoleman1784
10 ай бұрын
That's why I always either leave my phone with someone else I came with or I put it in my battle vest pocket where there's lots of padding. Can't be losing expensive stuff to humbug shit.
@Aytrex87
10 ай бұрын
I typically am in front of the pit up by the rails so thats why I have a crossbody purse to put my phone, wallet, ect in so I lose nothing its the best purchase ever haha
@sethpatterson8143
10 ай бұрын
This guy from the email must be some kind of olympic track star to be in all these places to witness everything firsthand.. or he's just as "unreliable" as everyone he's calling out to be "eye" witnesses
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
I think a lot of what he said was repeated to him by staff.
@sethpatterson8143
10 ай бұрын
feels like extreme he said/she said at this point without any real evidence on either side. we may never know. foolish to pick a side on something with no actual proof of anything
@yuugur666
10 ай бұрын
Its very clear that they were stating things told to them. They literally said at one point "this is when I was notified and went to find out what happened"
@sethpatterson8143
10 ай бұрын
@@yuugur666 yeah, obviously. It should also be very clear that I was just pointing out that this information is just as unreliable from the staff’s perspective as the attendees’ perspective. I didn’t think it would be too difficult for all the smart individuals out there to detect sarcasm
@yuugur666
10 ай бұрын
@@sethpatterson8143 flat text on a screen makes things hard man, and I'm not digging deep into reading comments cause, while I could, I don't want to spend hours in the comments section talking about things I'm many times removed from lol. If I had taken more time I probably woulda realized that, yeah
@MrKingJamoca
10 ай бұрын
You can go onto Google maps and see 3 cameras on the exterior of the building. I would think if they have cameras outside that they would have some inside as well, now if they are real cameras is a different story. but, like you said if they have the footage they need to release it if they care to clear their name.
@jking456
10 ай бұрын
I was present at the show. it was a small crowd at this point in time because it was still early. when bodysnatchers started, a pit opened immediately. now comparatively to other shows this pit was very small and only a few folks getting their dance on. i saw at least two big security doods walk into the very center of the pit right away and point their flash lights into concert-goers faces both whom were in the pit and at the outskirts of the pit -- im assuming to communicate this is a no-no. the pit dispersed and folks went about their business. i did not see the other shenanigans because it did not happen near me. but at one point the crowd did start a fk the security chant, but realistically that went on for like 20 seconds, it was a blip. The band did warn at one point if security kept throwing people out or whatever they were going to stop. At the beginning of another song the vocalist said fk security have fun so a second pit opened. Something transpired and they cut off their set shortly after and it was over. at one point there was a security guy walking from the back to the front near the barricade yelling something along the lines of "fk around and find out", he seemed ampd up for a brawl -- my take on his deameanor. Now there was another security guard walking by me sort of on a mission and he stepped on my foot and this dood was suuuuuper apologetic and asked me multiple times if I was cool, so I don’t think all the security guards there were part of the problem. BS cleaned up their gear, very slowly, and then no one came out or said anything for 45 minutes. they then announced show cancelled due to technical difficulties and i high tailed it out of there because i was standing around doing nothing for 45+ minutes and i was annoyed at the whole thing. i dont recall a comment about merch during the statement but i also could have just ignored it. seems like security staff may have acted stupidly and overly aggressive in some points, but also seemed to me that the band may have exacerbated it as well by coaxing that second pit. but i mean, people there to have fun. there is a certain energy that comes from the pit even when you are not in it, and when the security guards broke up the first it definitely robbed some energy from the room. I don’t think the bands had to cancel the whole thing over it because for the most part 99% of the fans in the room was enjoying the show very peacefully. very disappointed situation overall. i feel like it went from 0-60 way to fast and we were robbed of a good show. Such is life. At least we got some drama to talk about in our small town of providence RI.
@mrr5835
10 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity, from someone who used to both play and go to many, many local metal shows in the early 2000s, do clubs not let people mosh anymore?
@jking456
10 ай бұрын
these guys definitely had a sign on the front door that said no moshing or crowd surfing. webster theater in CT has similar signs. but those are the only two i have come across. half a dozen other clubs up here (NE) that are fine with it. sort of kills the vibe of a metal show to ban it. hopefully it doesn't catch on as a thing @@mrr5835
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
@@mrr5835 depends on the place. some places have a no moshing/crowd surfing policy. otehr venues are totally fine with it, and security is mostly just there to make sure no one gets insanely wild. a great venue in this general new england area is the Palladium in worcester. They let you do it all, mosh, surf, even stage dive at their smaller upstairs shows. And i've never once seen security intervene unless someone is ACTUALLY fighting or someone is injured. Otherwise, they just keep an eye and let people have fun. but there are a few other local venues in boston that don't allow moshing, like Brighton music hall. Paradise rock club says it's not allowed, but they'll still let people do it, so long as no one goes too wild. Alchemy is right in Providence, and i was just there. it's a small venue, and people were still surfing right up to the stage. again, no issues, except for the singer having to once or twice mention, hey guys, keep your hands up, don't drop anyone. it's very much an individual venue thing, but most are pretty cool about it
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
i was also there (i'm the girl with the light up shoes). and everything you said is right. security absolutely had flashlights, and i don't think we could've gotten them mixed up, since they were wearing those gray shirts that literally said security. i was near the merch tables in back for bodysnatcher, and i saw them drag the guy out too. They were not being gentle or nice about it, and he wasn't walking on his own and "cooperating" because they didn't give him that chance. shit was so stupid, cuz like you said, most of us were just there vibing peacefully
@that-avr-drummer
10 ай бұрын
So, I've played this venue about 6 times, and I can say that I've never seen security with flashlights. The stage crew and sound guy had them, but not security. With that being said, as a whole, the security guys were generally fine, but most were guys not from or familiar with that scene and on one occasion I had a problem with one of them and it almost got nasty. I have seen some get overly rough with patrons.
@CutmeMick
10 ай бұрын
Back and forth- ridiculous your praising them in one sentence then try to talk shit get a fkn grip already your just an idiot troll, obviously
@MekareP
10 ай бұрын
I think the security footage not being released says everything that needs to be said. They can clear everything up very quickly.
@bazamere
10 ай бұрын
Fence sitting is usually the closest position to the actual truth. Which usually lies sonewhere between the two stories. The one thing I would hope all venues take from this is to have security cameras everywhere. And maybe that should be sonething the booking agents look for when booking shows to protect all parties.
@Safaridor
10 ай бұрын
I wonder how all the lights might impact any cameras.
@craigs1266
10 ай бұрын
@@SafaridorThe quality of cameras these days do quite well in those situations.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
I was actually told that this venue has security cameras in it.
@krusher74
10 ай бұрын
Picking a side is the cancer of America.
@craigs1266
10 ай бұрын
@@TankTheTech I would find it hard to believe otherwise. Those CYA cameras go the other way too.
@ryanprince5824
10 ай бұрын
First off, Tank, THANK YOU for being grounded enough to resist the tribalistic "pick a side" mentality. It's refreshing these days and you just gained a sub for that. Second, watching your twitch chat is just as refreshing, you seem to have a great community there dude! Finally, the guy who wrote that email really needs some pointers on his communication skills. That was one of the least professional mails I've seen in a long time, and I've read a lot of really shitty emails 😂
@circeciernova1712
10 ай бұрын
"Which establishment in their right mind would assault or mistreat any customer unless they stepped out of line?" By that reasoning, you would think no business ever mistreats their customers.
@scottzinn6326
10 ай бұрын
Only time I was ever allowed to fight back is if a customer was a threat to my saftey or the saftey of those around them. The worst I ever did was tackle a person cause he was waving an ice pick around. ( This was before metal detectors so yea I’m old.) we treated all concert goers with respect.
@MrReaper223
10 ай бұрын
That dude that hit her even immediately asked "are you okay" and she responds with "yeah". Soooooo I doubt she complained to security about him and I doubt he was picking fights...
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
yeah, you can very clearly hear that part
@Coderjo.
10 ай бұрын
stepping frame by frame, it looks like someone threw a drink glass into the crowd and it hit her.
@MH0047
10 ай бұрын
I appreciate that you're fair and try to look at everyone's side as objectively as possible and giving the finger to tribalism. Your doing great work Tank, keep it up amigo 🤙🥃
@MashaT22
10 ай бұрын
I brought up a lack of security footage in the first or second video. It’s really simple! Just release the UNCUT footage with multiple angles and we will know what happened. I also appreciate that you don’t take sides. Better to remain impartial and let all of us decide based on the facts. That’s the professional thing to do. Tank is always pro!
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
10 ай бұрын
Can't comment on the live, but that girl getting hit was an accident. Moshing is kind of outdated, but really, if you don't want to get hit, stay out of the pit.
@DamageInc86
10 ай бұрын
I've noticed that people now go to the front and expect not to get touched. They also expect to not have to defend their position against the barricade. They get soooooooo pissed if you try to push in between them up front. Its weird to me, because years ago, it was pretty much assumed that it would be a "contact sport", and you'd have to defend your position up there, or get the fuck out.
@johanericsson7309
10 ай бұрын
@@DamageInc86 Metal shows ARE a contact sport haha. Or at least they should be.
@kennyhunter23
10 ай бұрын
Quit throwing punches in the pit. It's fucking stupid.
@zackphy
10 ай бұрын
Part 4 will be someone from both parties doing a live interview/discussion with Tank. Let's get Matthew and someone from the venue, maybe the fired guy if the venue won't do it, on a call at the same time to both tell their versions.
@caseysmith544
10 ай бұрын
The fired guy I bet will be like Trump in a live interview with more then one person and interrupting 100% of the time.
@krypdikk420
10 ай бұрын
Been to Fete many times. Never had an issue there, but I also would 100% not be surprised to learn WCAR comments were true. We actually had tickets to this show specifically to see Bodysnatcher and Emmure. While I’m gutted we missed this whole fiasco, I got a refund for a show I was going to otherwise just eat the cost of 🤷🏼♂️
@RondoceanMan
10 ай бұрын
I think you're 100% right on this. Based on everything it seems like whatever did happen falls somewhere in the middle of both stories. Security crew didn't handle the situation well. Band and crowd end up antagonizing the security. Altercation happened and that's about it. Ive seen this situation play out so many times where one fuck head is getting too crazy in the pit and turning moshing into actual assault. When the crew handles it well and the band handles it well. The issue is resolved and the show goes on.
@ludoletono
10 ай бұрын
Stinky smelly french viewer here, and I can confirm, Tank is pronouncing the word "fête"(as in "party") right. That is all.
@notoverlyacerbic9574
10 ай бұрын
"You know what's going to happen,it's a pit." Yeah but there are pits and then there are hard-core pits. I have not heard these bands,also perhaps things have changed but in the 90's when I was going to shows there was a clear distinctive difference between a death metal pit and a hard-core pit.. Both can be violent however with hard-core,people are getting punched in face intentionally,knocked down and not necessarily helped back up..Whereas with death metal,even the most extreme bands,if you,rather when you get knocked down there is a sea of hands picking you up.. Even the over all vibe between the two was different..With death metal,we were there for the music and violence came with it however it seemed with hard-core that they were there for the violence and the music came with it... I am simply commenting on the nature of hard-core pits and not on the incident at hand.
@zak_161
10 ай бұрын
and the plot THICKENS!
@secretninja35
10 ай бұрын
That email reeks of bullshit and seems pretty damning for the venue.
@robertp457
10 ай бұрын
Both sides sounds like they are lying about something.
@jacksonconstantine5740
10 ай бұрын
That’s your confirmation bias showing my friend
@secretninja35
10 ай бұрын
@@jacksonconstantine5740 we aren't friends, bud. If you read that email and thought the guy writing it sounds like he's telling the truth I'm glad we aren't.
@jacksonconstantine5740
10 ай бұрын
@@secretninja35 we aren’t buds, pal. I don’t know because I wasn’t there. Some of things he said sound plausible, some don’t. Some of the things the band said sound plausible, some don’t. I’ll wait until they release the security camera footage before accusing strangers I don’t know of lying
@secretninja35
10 ай бұрын
@@jacksonconstantine5740 the venue would have already released the footage if it helped them at all, schmuck
@benlivingstondorjon7777
10 ай бұрын
Always bullshit with security
@yunggrandma666
10 ай бұрын
Although I can't completely vouch for someone after only working with them once, I can say that I'm a FOH at a venue Sam came through on tour and when working with him he was super sweet, laid back, friendly and extremely easygoing. I have a really hard time believing that he would just jump security staff out of the blue. He seemed really in love with the lifestyle of touring, really happy and fulfilled, and went out of his way to give me advice about how to get touring work and what being a touring engineer is like, and has kept up with me on social media since. He seems like a genuinely great guy.
@jacksonconstantine5740
10 ай бұрын
People can surprise you
@PsunnProductions
10 ай бұрын
I know for a fact that Fete music hall has security cameras. You’d think they’d release the footage to clear them of any wrongdoing, as the email states.. Right?
@robertp457
10 ай бұрын
“For a fact” doesn’t mean anything without objective evidence.
@PsunnProductions
10 ай бұрын
@@robertp457 I honestly don’t care that much to gather and present evidence. So take my comment however you’d like
@freedustin
10 ай бұрын
They did...to the proper authorities, not people who have an agenda.
@pookha50
10 ай бұрын
PIZZA ROLLS!
@ChaosReacon137
10 ай бұрын
Them admitting they fired one of their security guys from that night doesn't give me the vibe they're being honest about the situation. That, and several details throughout the email seemed very suspicious to me. But, thank you for bring these details out and not giving off "this is what I think and you have to believe it" vibe as I prefer getting to the bottom of issues rather than just taking sides
@VivaToddVegas
10 ай бұрын
I'm still tired of metal "fans" just using bands as background noise while they bash each other around. Real fans would actually want to watch the bands. This "pit" nonsense is just an excuse to act like morons. If you're an actual fan, then watch the bands. If you want to bash people around, go learn to play hockey.
@efrayimbulka2292
10 ай бұрын
Timestamps look juicy. Cant wait to wrap up this saga
@solutionless123
10 ай бұрын
Everyone who ever does wrong anywhere always claims they're getting threats as a way of avoiding responsibility and claiming victimhood (despite them being the aholes to begin with). I don't believe the venue is getting threats, not one bit.
@pludedriteken
10 ай бұрын
there is not a tour manager in the world that would call the fans of the band "scary" or anything of the sort, ESPECIALLY not during a security briefing...
@fishcrazy7742
10 ай бұрын
Ok, so let's say that every single thing that the venue said is the truth.... then he is saying that their security can't handle 1 asshole fan without things turning into complete chaos..... which still doesn't make me want to attend shows there.
@BaseballsNotDead
10 ай бұрын
This strikes me as weird. If there were heated exchanges and emotions got high enough where they literally fired someone on their team due to their actions, you can't turn around and then say "we did nothing wrong."
@sixthcirclefr
10 ай бұрын
You pronounce fete correctly 🙂( a French dude )
@lepanzon
10 ай бұрын
The venue is just doing damage control at this point, and they’re doing it in the worst way posible. They should just shut up and let it blow over and just do better in their subsequent shows if they want to still be in business.
@Dark_Lord_Mr_B
10 ай бұрын
It's interesting to hear the other side. Just sad that they are basically saying "Yeah, stuff happened, but that wasn't us." There's more than what is being said and I agree with Tank that the truth is somewhere between the two, just need to know how close it is to one side or the other.
@craigs1266
10 ай бұрын
Whenever somebody gets hurt in the pit I always think of the Downtown Brown song Sit in the Pit.
@bishopm4401
10 ай бұрын
They thought this would turn public opinion around lmao
@Qyngali
10 ай бұрын
One point to consider, the sender of the email was not witnessing what happened. He is basically writing what he's been told happened. He said himself that he was notified after the fact. :/
@seantimmons5900
10 ай бұрын
So, anyone know about a history of any of the bands fighting with security elsewhere? Seems like we look for a common denominator here.
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
I've never toured with any of these bands, but I have friends that work at other venues that have had them before and I've never heard of anything like this happening with them.
@ayajade6683
10 ай бұрын
Emmune's road crew has fought security once because a security staff member was creeping on under age fans at a festival but that was a one off situation and not on this tour.
@ddechurch
10 ай бұрын
I would hire 100 metal shows before 1 hardcore show... Reason = Circle Pits, crowd surfing, moshing, even the Wall of Death is WAY LESS dangerous & openly violent than crowd busting Oh Yes, btw "hardcore dancing" is actually technically called crowdbusting.... its like muy thai & capaoeira VS if soemone falls STOP & pick them up... Similarly, in experience.... Metal frontmen vocally handle crowds WAY BETTER than punk/ hardcore
@93Kessler
10 ай бұрын
I'm a licensed security guard and while they supposedly backpedaled on the statement about not escorting, we're trained (here in Australia at least) to have a second guard to escort someone out of a premises even if they're complying. You never know when that person may stop complying and try to overpower you, especially if they have received several warnings already. To be fair as well, they never said they didn't escort anyone. The statement reads "was not dragged, kicked, have his head smashed on the wall or the ground". Bastards that DO use aggression like that give a shit name to our industry and I hope they get barred from being a guard ever again. Edit: I do want to clarify that I also believe certain bits of this email don't sound right either. This is just to try and clear up the escort section.
@ayajade6683
10 ай бұрын
That person has posted images of their injuries and bruises if that's security's gentle escort I don't want to know what they consider aggressive
@futureshockxl
10 ай бұрын
Stories like this and Blueridge are pretty interesting. It's like Tank the Heavy Metal Detective is on the case, shifting through the clues and getting to the bottom of things. To me, it kinda just looks like small things started going back-and-forth getting incrementally bigger and just snowballed out of control, a case of no one being "the bigger man" and "taking the high road."
@iamjatan
10 ай бұрын
Is it me, or does this email from the venue smell very much like a jilted ex who mis-treated and cheated on their former partner but is now super mad they got dumped and has to try besmirch them as a self defence mechanism? 'Cause that's the vibe I'm getting.
@theghosty99
10 ай бұрын
I just keep thinking about how Providence is still an old school mob town, and how the venue most likely hired their muscle, and that that prooooobably has something to do with why their security is constantly being too aggressive and yet the venue keeps protecting them. As an example: A friend of mine moved into an apartment there and the next day her place was robbed while she was out. Her TV, her computer, everything valuable was gone. She told the landlord. The landlord said, "Don't talk to the cops. I'll get your stuff back." A few hours later, a couple of huge, scary looking dudes showed up with all her stuff. The landlord told her that would never happen again and that was that. She came to understand that somebody had robbed her without the mob's approval, so the mob went and found that somebody and rectified the situation for their client, the landlord. Just saying, a lot of these discrepancies start to make more sense when you consider these security guards may be protected by somebody outside the venue.
@jayrific
10 ай бұрын
Lol. It's really hard to explain Providence like that. But yeah there is still a mob feel at a lot of establishments / nightlife venues. I don't think I'd be brazen enough to film security beating someone and not think I'd lose my phone and get beaten myself.
@theghosty99
10 ай бұрын
@@jayrific no question, I'd definitely avoid recording strangers up to questionable activity pretty much anywhere in Providence lol
@mvg5767
10 ай бұрын
I agree with staying on the fence, but man their responses feel a little icky, it feels like a lot of buck passing, and self victimisation. They’ve been on the PR run while the bands have for the most part moved on and kept on the road Also to use that girl, she was in the pit - she ran into his hand in the pit.
@Shwizzynet
10 ай бұрын
“He is no longer with us” definitely sounds like they killed him lol 12:35
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
😂
@axelstengel9051
10 ай бұрын
Just so you know, as a native French speaker, the way you renounce "fete" is actually the correct way (at least if it's the French word "fête" that means "party").
@JeffMiller1984
10 ай бұрын
Just because a bunch of people say they saw something happen, doesn't mean that event actually happened. Eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and comments on message boards or social media comment sections aren't exactly known for being super honest or accurate. But like Tank said, if the venue has the security footage to corroborate what they claim in their e-mail, they should probably release that security footage just for the sake of their reputation. I know if my business was being publicly accused of having excessively aggressive security staff and I had evidence to back up my staff's actions/behavior, I'd get that evidence into the public sphere ASAP.
@bottomofastairwell
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, so I've left a few comments as I'm one of the eye witnesses that was there. And there are blatant lies in this statement/email. 1. They 100% had flashlights. And they were using them, shining them in people faces. It wasn't road crew. It was security, who were wearing grey polo shirts, no vests, and they had the weirdword "security" on the back in large black letters, large enough to clearly read, so no, they're was no way to mix that up. And I literally saw them shine lights right in the guy's face that they hauled outside (as I've said before, I was standing in the back with my boyfriend near the merch tables, waiting on the Archetypes guys) and we both saw what happened. 2. They supposedly have the guy 5 warnings before "escorting" (ie dragging) him out. My question though is when? Because no one was moshing during Archetypes Collide's set. And Bodysnatcher played about 3 whole songs before they walked off stage. So how, in the length of 3 songs, did this guy receive 5 warnings? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't add up. I wasn't in the pit for that party so I can't verify anything, but I just don't see how a guy can get 5 warnings during only 3 songs. 3. The timing was as follows: Bodysnatcher walked off set. We waited songs for 40-45 minutes. And THEN the announced the show was canceled. 4. Regarding the guy they "escorted" out: they definitely slammed him up against a wall in the back, near the doors, shone lights in his face. And then when they released him and he'd begun walking back toward the crowd, the 2 security guards grabbed him again and dragged him outside. So tell me how someone who's supposedly cooperating and waking with them off their own volition does so while moving backwards? Because security dragged the guy out with his back facing the doors, as he was headed back towards the crowd. And I'll tell you why, puts because none of that was cooperative or voluntary. 5. There's no video from fans because we were watching the show and because our all happened so damn fast. Too fast for me to think to pull out my phone. All told, from when I saw them dragging the guy out of the crowd to when they dragged him out the back door, it took maybe 2 minutes, not even. And when they dragged him out the back doors, that's when I saw road crew follow out the back. Now I can't say what happened outside as I didn't see it. But based on what I DID see, I'm inclined to believe it. 6. Lastly, in fairness, I have also been to this venue once before (for Until I Wake, Catch Your Breath, dark divine). However, it was in a much smaller room right off to the side as you enter the venue, which held maybe 1/4 of the people total, if even that. And no, there were no incidents at that show, it was fine. But there were also probably 40 people there, coz like I said, it's a MUCH smaller room. This was the first time I'd been in the larger part of the venue. And given what happened, I will NOT be going back. That's for damn sure. Lastly, I just wanna say (assuming you do read this) that I understand your "fence sitting" position. The fact is you weren't there, so you have no way of knowing for certain, no matter how many first hand accounts you get, what truly happened. I can say I know, because I saw it, but you can't make the same claim. And I completely understand why you're not willing to present things as facts that you cannot concretely verify. Especially given your position in the industry/community, I'm sure you have to remain some level of impartial (not to mention choosing your words carefully enough that you don't get hit with a libel suit or some crap). I totally get that, and I don't hold it against you. Particularly not when you've said which way you're leaning regarding this incident. I think you've done the best job that you possibly could've, given the info available to you, to present this as fairly as possible. Editing to add: the venue didn't close immediately. as i said, there was a good forty minutes ish of standing around and waiting to see whether the other bands would play. And THEN they announced the show was cancelled. But they didn't immediately tell us all to get out. They ALLOWED people to take a moment to settle up their tabs, use the restrooms, and yes, buy merch. i bought my archetypes hoodie during this time, as well as asked if the archetypes guys would be coming out to the merch table at all or if they'd be available to sign stuff (and we were told that no, in this instance, due to what happened, none of the bands would be meeting fans or doing any of the usual stuff like that, which is totally understandable.) Beyond that, Fete as a venue is composed of that main ballroom, but they also have a smaller room, about 1/4 of the size. and that particular night, there was an indie rock show playing in the smaller room. So upon exiting, they offered a few of us (at random, as far as i can tell) free entrance into that smaller room so that we could see the indie band if we wanted (Band was called Lady Pills if anyone is interested, and they were pretty good). so in that sense, a few people did stick around a while longer. lastly, there's a local article from a RI newspaper that covered what happened, including a statement from teh guy in question who was dragged out. YT won't let me link it without deleting the comment as spam, but for anyone interested, if you google [Providence Club and Patron Exchange Charges Over “Spitting” Incident] it's the first link that comes up, by GoLocal Prov
@GalacticCenterOG
10 ай бұрын
11:35 even if he was “hardcore” dancing lol, a punch to the face is a punch to the face. I’m sure he felt his hand hit her face lol. You can see the other people around who saw it too look at their friends and be like “duuuude… that guy just punched that chick right in the face!” Lol, and tbph, if you’re one of these Hardcore “dancers” then you probably want or need some rough treatment. 🤷🏻♂️☕️🤘🏼
@Necropheliac
8 ай бұрын
If the Individual members of security committed a crime, then they should be charged and prosecuted. Wearing a yellow jacket with the word security on it, is not a license for battery. If no crime was committed what are we talking about? It’s really hard to pass judgment when there’s no official record of exactly what happened. It’s going to be a bunch of people with a bunch of different perspectives but the only one with any authority is the person who can say shows over, and we know that there’s been times when someone should have said shows over and on the other side of that spectrum is axel rose who will end a show just because he’s having a bad day. I appreciate the information but I don’t put too much stock on any individual perspective when there’s no police report, no one charged, no crime. Warnings are pointless, why would you even make that a policy? Stupid.
@Cr0wsMurd3r
10 ай бұрын
Let me just say... hardcore dancing is a frikkin' hazard, or hardcore moshpit. Which, well.. if you're at a hardcore show you should know this and stay well away of the pit unless you want an appendage in your face. Metal moshpits tend to be somewhat safer, at least in my experience. No hardcore dancing and many people try to tuck their elbows and whatnot at least a little. Then again, I mosh with a high boxing guard just to block incoming shit anyway 🤣
@queencitymassacreofficial7657
10 ай бұрын
I’m just bummed that this incident happened like a WEEK after my band booked a headliner there for this Friday😅 We’ll see how it goes!
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
I would imagine it will be fine, considering this has happened and the venue is probably under a microscope right now.
@SuperGregrr
10 ай бұрын
Here is my take. What the hell happened to live music? This whole post-rock world is shit. Bands can only play in theater type venues now days because no wants to see it. I mean 4 bands playing a max capacity of 800 people? Christ!
@zeroradio8671
10 ай бұрын
Somone else said this down below, but if the issue was with the WCAR and other bands road crews, there would be issues at every venue and tour date, but it was just there. I saw WCAR on the first Darkbloom tour, and this video made me greatly appreciate the security at my local venue. The guys they hire are so cool, check in with fans, talk with us and joke with us. JT from Erra even shouted out the security, and then proceeded ti make them work by telling us all to crowd serf. Not one complaint from security, the laughed and took it like champs. I even have a clip of one of the security gaurd jumping around to Black Hole XD But this venue and just seems to trying to shift blame and not take any accountability
@Know.Brainer
10 ай бұрын
Venue says there’s security footage yet doesn’t want to bring that receipt into play… chooses to throw pity party instead… wouldn’t expect anything less from anyone who should be held accountable. It’s the trend of 2023
@phillipvashon7554
10 ай бұрын
Years ago I remember having a tough time with this venue. I played in some smaller local metal bands from 2006-2016 and in that time I had an opportunity to play there a handful of times. The first time I played at fete they made this big deal about moshing and they would point flashlights at anything that resembled moshing. We were explicitly told if we encouraged any kind of moshing we were done and would be kicked out. I no longer play in any bands but I remember this venue had kind of a bad rep with all the local bands because they were really douchy so when I saw this it didn’t surprise me.
@thecrimsonace3032
10 ай бұрын
It is really weird that no one there has released any video to substantiate any of the accusations. Even if there were less than 300 people in that room, and no one was filming because of the pit, what about the 45 minutes when the fans were claiming they weren’t being allowed to leave by security? That is absolutely a time to be filming, especially if security was being as rough as they claim, so why wasn’t anyone taking out insurance, so to speak? Just a thought.
@crypnoss19
10 ай бұрын
This email they sent you has excuses for every single issue that has been addressed but they do not take responsibility for ANY of it. That's how you know they are wrong and are just trying to save face. They did themselves a disservice sending you this lol
@BassT_Arts
10 ай бұрын
dubidubidu inspector tenktech 🤣
@TheRealTomLauda
3 ай бұрын
I'm late to the party but... i'm french and Tank has the proper pronunciation for "fête".
@kanoaikawach
10 ай бұрын
Kyle(Bodysnatcher) talks shit while on stage. If anyone's feelings were hurt, they should grow up.
@keithangstadt4950
10 ай бұрын
I don't recall a show I've ever been at where security didn't have flashlights. In my opinion, security would be incompetent if they didn't have them.
@tiffymcconkey
10 ай бұрын
At the same time its also very telling that the venue hasnt released any type of security footage. Especially, if their security team didnt do anything "wrong"/out of line.
@DiamondLifer
10 ай бұрын
Good job for standing up to internet wienies asking you to pick a side. Too much tribalism these days. Respect.
@azmattic306
10 ай бұрын
Sounds like the venue is lieing to protect themselves from litigation and internet hate.
@killergrooves2438
10 ай бұрын
I went to a concert 20 years ago featuring an opening band whose name I forgot, Further Seems Forever, Juliana Theory, and The Ataris in that order. Despite standing in line to get into the club well before doors opened, my friend and I didn’t make it inside until partway through FSF’s set which still sticks in my craw 20 years later because I was a FSF fan. So it’s highly possible that attendees of this show at the Fete were still waiting to get in. Some whacko gunning up a public place wasn’t a concern in 2003, so I imagine security is tighter these days.
@OhrionReacts
10 ай бұрын
Lmfao this series
@TankTheTech
10 ай бұрын
Limited edition.
@OhrionReacts
10 ай бұрын
Great video man 🔥🤘 this was a trip haha
@wishdeus
10 ай бұрын
If they don't have a closed circuit surveillance system then there is a huge problem with that venue. There is for sure security footage or at the very least there WAS footage. Whether it exists or not is a different question. That guy looks like maybe he may have been crowd killing. There is a fine line at times between hard-core dancing and crowd killing at times. However, this statement is very telling of the situation and it certainly doesn't paint the picture in the way this person wanted it to. Makes the venue look worse honestly
@willfarren
10 ай бұрын
14:41 I thought it was weird that some dudes building a road would get involved. Thanks for clarifying
@ruperthitchcox4657
10 ай бұрын
Scala in London UK had to fire their entire security. Im an accredited Press photographer and i got falsely accused of something i was not doing and was frog marched out, but I know they threw a photographer down the stairs. When i was in the foyer i pulled my press card and head of security got nervous. I did way in on the twitter aka X feed on the Music Venue trust post on treatment of photographers.
@JoeMcGuire
10 ай бұрын
I like that you are sitting on the fence on this one, even with your lived experiences in the industry. I have been on stage, and ran shows at a number of clubs, including some shows where it was anticipated that the crowd would get rowdy, As you said, both sides messed up. Clearly the club has hired security staff with little experience in this kind of show - a MAJOR failing on their part. Security should have experience in slamming and hardcore pit shows to understand what is normal and what is not. When I ran shows, any security staff I hired would be very familiar with the kind of show I was putting on, or I'd leave them running the door. Security staff should have also had a very clear chain of command, and it sounds like this was not the case. When I was on stage, I was there to give the crowd one hell of a show. Some of the bands I've played with would have fostered some very aggressive pits, but in the end the band wants everyone to enjoy the show, and I almost always found that working WITH the club and WITH security was the best way for that to happen. Using my mic and my position on stage to antagonize the show runners or security was never on my mind as that is a really great way to promote bad things happening, and to get.a bad name in the industry. Promoters talk, word travels fast. And yeah, as a promoter I had one band cancel a show because the drummer ghosted, but still asked for that I let them keep their merch table up. That was a big frikin nope from me. And yeah, I've seen some road crew cause some crap like this in the past as well. I am on the fence on this one. Both sides messed up, but I am still absolutely shocked that the club can't produce any video to back this stuff up. That raises an eyebrow. I think WCAR are stuck in the middle of a big ol' clusterfck, I wouldn't want to have been in their shoes that night. They are the only ones that get a pass from me at this point. Peace, y'all.
@hvsxtactical7170
10 ай бұрын
Doesn't the venue have any CCTV footage? Or were they "corrupted"?
@The-Crypt
10 ай бұрын
Dude is straight up lying. The venue has a history of this and a bunch of other shitty behavior.
@marcelo.bassalo
10 ай бұрын
The venue's answer is so unprofessional I tend to believe the report of multiple concert goers.
@gagadreams
10 ай бұрын
Remember when Dave Mustaine just recently stopped a show and refused to play until the security guard in question got thrown out? This seems to be happening a lot more often lately, I've been to at least 100 metal shows back in the 90's and this didn't used to happen!
@MrJemoederopeenstokj
10 ай бұрын
They tripped out the door,sure
@Hkoehler17
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for fence sitting on this. There hasnt been official video from it, and you're presenting both sides as equal as possible. Keep being great bro 🤘🏻
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