People who don’t work in healthcare don’t get it. It can be psychologically damaging after a few years. Go part time. Reset. When kids get older you can always pick up more hours. Best of both worlds without pissing away over a decade of your life you worked hard to achieve.
@staceyk2274
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!
@jonathancajas2932
5 ай бұрын
Agreed. As a nurse I can tell you some physicians don’t get the credit they deserve. They are some of the hardest working people out there and the money doesn’t even come close to being a main reason to do that
@dm96177
5 ай бұрын
Yes. Healthcare is exceedingly difficult, especially today. I left clinical practice to work in sales and it’s much easier. I keep my license up just in case but can’t see myself going back.
@SR-gu4tu
5 ай бұрын
Bingo!
@Anthony-ok1zc
5 ай бұрын
@@dm96177 could you please provide some information about how you ended up in sales for other physicians such as myself?
@anthonya2349
2 жыл бұрын
So I became a doctor to pay off my debt that I racked up becoming a doctor.
@stuff1784
2 жыл бұрын
HA! Yep
@coillest8628
2 жыл бұрын
….now I want to quit. 🤯
@laanierhae
2 жыл бұрын
I do not understand this at all. I understand taking time off or switching jobs, but to go through all of that education and training, paying off all of that debt, and then just quit? That is baffling. Just take a breather and then go back.
@blackworldtraveler3711
2 жыл бұрын
Yup. That's about it.
@paulvarjak7378
2 жыл бұрын
And to think beyond the money aspect, that is an enormous chunk of your lifetime to spend on something where you ultimately ended up at zero.
@missdesireindependance5194
2 жыл бұрын
She should work part-time to keep her license up and still have time for her family.
@mariee.5912
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@ThatDoll25
2 жыл бұрын
Agree. Seems like she desperately needs a break. Also during this time i imagine it’s so stressful to work in medicine. If she reduced for a while she may find it appealing.
@joaquinescotoaleman4320
2 жыл бұрын
She can also make online medicine and still cash so good money and have time for her kids!
@bighands69
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatDoll25 She can still have a break but it would be wise for her to keep the license by practising. She could work part time. Such as doing the odd evening and full saturdays.
@synelpt2927
2 жыл бұрын
You don't need to be working to keep your license active, you just need to do CEUs and renew.
@lennoxmutterick6434
Ай бұрын
Amazing video, A friend of mine referred me to a financial adviser sometime ago and we got to talking about investment and money. I started investing with $150k and in the first 2 months, my portfolio was reading $274,800. Crazy right!, I decided to reinvest my profit and get more interesting. For over a year we have been working together making consistent profit just bought my second home 2 weeks ago and care for my family.
@lennoxmutterick6434
Ай бұрын
@PilouBen However, if you do not have access to a professional like Clementina Abate Russo, quitting your job to focus on trading may not be the best approach. It is important to consider all options and seek guidance from reliable sources before making any major decisions. Consulting with an AI or using automated trading systems can also be helpful in managing investments while balancing other commitment.
@lennoxmutterick6434
Ай бұрын
@PilouBen Clementina Abate Russo is her name
@lennoxmutterick6434
Ай бұрын
Lookup with her name on the webpage.
@lennoxmutterick6434
Ай бұрын
@PilouBen You are welcome .
@Happygolucky117
Ай бұрын
Clamantina Abute Russo tried to steal all my money!
@MR3DDev
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who quit being a doctor, I fully understand why she wants to quit. Is life draining. Making that much money is useless when you are not home for a big part of the day to enjoy it.
@azteca6695
2 жыл бұрын
How long has it been, since you quit? And what are you doing now?
@paulvarjak7378
2 жыл бұрын
If you are a doctor you better not be in it for the money.
@random-nz7dy
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. But I feel like if she gave it up completely she might feel like she doesn't mind it at first but when reality sets in that she basically spent all those years going to school and paying off debt only to make virtually no money from her degree. So I feel like she's got to find a middle ground where she stays plugged in either take some time off or reduces to doing like telemed two days a week. I'm a PA that just paid my loans off and if I was in her position having just paid off my loans, I would absolutely have to at least stay plugged into some degree to avoid feeling like I wasted so much time
@thesmartbudgetchannel2940
2 жыл бұрын
Then my question is why waste your time all those years to go to school and residency just to not do it? All that money what a waste
@heygio87
2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@amandadean3948
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this call was interesting. I can’t imagine putting in all the blood, sweat and tears it takes to be a doctor then just walk away from that. It sounds like she just needs to step back and reset. I wish her the best.
@azores15
2 жыл бұрын
Dave's assistant is wrong; doctors aren't motivated by a desire to experience the thrills of the profession. They're motivated by a desire for money and social status. Quite frankly, we would all probably be better off if the job didn't pay so much. That way, we wouldn't have so many of the wrong kind of doctor.
@xiomaragomez6649
2 жыл бұрын
She needs couple months off to be with her kids and then try again part time.
@nichtsistkostenlos6565
8 ай бұрын
@@azores15 If you have a job that requires that much dedication, education, and competence, then at the end of it all you only get paid an average salary, 90% of doctors would never go to med school. We need more doctors, not fewer. While money can create perverse incentives, not compensating adequately also creates poor incentives.
@azores15
8 ай бұрын
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 As it pertains to medical school, there's no good reason applicants should have to spend four years getting a university degree. The pre-requisites should be sufficient. And it's not the public's fault that residents are overworked and underpaid. That's all just hazing.
@azores15
8 ай бұрын
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 And I never said doctors should be paid an average salary, just that they shouldn't be paid the obscene money that most of them make. Remember, it isn't a victimless crime - the money doctors are paid doesn't grow on those proverbial trees. Somebody has to pay it, and that somebody is everyone who's paying those outrageous health insurance premiums.
@LenoraAvery
Жыл бұрын
She’s a mom of 3 and a Dr - in America the “normal amount of maternity leave” is 6 weeks. No wonder she’s exhausted! Go to part time and you you will be 1000 x happier - great advice!
@kleindropper
5 ай бұрын
So now you want to pay doctors exorbitant amounts of money to sit at home and be a mom? Can we just skip the "doctor" part entirely then?
@GX2re
5 ай бұрын
@@kleindropper Did you not read the last sentence where it says go part time?
@Swedetwin
2 жыл бұрын
It's refreshing to hear that she is willing to live a modest lifestyle and stay home with her children. I'll bet she is an exceptional physician....but her mental health and well-being (and that of her family) are far more important than a hefty paycheck. Every career decision is revocable. I admire her!
@ts3063
2 жыл бұрын
Many women find themselves in similar situations. If I could go back and do it all over again, I believe I’d fight to be a SAHM and wife rather than going for higher education and becoming the breadwinner.
@morticiaaddams1003
2 жыл бұрын
@@ts3063 so true 💚
@auomi8762
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I also think the key here is that they paid off the 300k so now she can live whatever life she wants. Often times, we say we want to live a certain way but ultimately can't because some may have loads of debt which then holds everything back.
@KC-dr3cg
2 жыл бұрын
@@auomi8762 who knows..She may discover a way to use her skills differently..maybe counsel med students.contribute to her rural community..encourage highschoolers toward a better life.. since I grew up in a small town I can attest to the fact that I didn't even know about a lot of jobs that existed so I didn't pursue educational possibilities toward other directions
@auomi8762
2 жыл бұрын
@@KC-dr3cg agreed!
@lmelior
2 жыл бұрын
One thing that strikes me about the situation that they didn't mention is that she worked her tail off all that time to pay off those student loans...and thus didn't actually get to enjoy the benefits of making all that money. No wonder she's burned out! By all means, take time off, lots of it, and when you do go back, finally start using those hefty paychecks for some fun. One day's work buys you dinner at the fanciest restaurant in town. Two weeks of work could buy you a week's vacation in the Maldives. Get yourself something flexible and start enjoying life!
@PInk77W1
2 жыл бұрын
Paying off loans just gets u to $0.
@PInk77W1
2 жыл бұрын
@@ymuly777 good point
@johnSmith-uz8nl
2 жыл бұрын
@@PInk77W1 It depends what you are paying off.
@PInk77W1
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnSmith-uz8nl true. But I paid off my cc and tore it up and have never looked back. Bought my home cash. I have zero debt and big bank. In a laborer and a high school drop out. Life is good
@johnSmith-uz8nl
2 жыл бұрын
@@PInk77W1 Wanted to add... becoming rich is not about the size of your shovel, it is about how much you can save each week/month and investing those savings wisely. I became a millionaire on a very low salary.
@heatison11
5 ай бұрын
Im debt free making about 110k a year right now, single, no kids, I am SO ready to quit my job, take a pay cut for a happier quiet life
@msme9790
2 жыл бұрын
I would follow Dave’s advice. As a healthcare worker I understand the burn out. I took off three months after working like a mad woman the year before. Now I work two days a week and I am very satisfied with my life.
@sarazink2237
6 ай бұрын
Yup same here! I took 3 years off being a registered nurse after 17 years in healthcare. I am jus now ready to step back into it.
@GX2re
5 ай бұрын
@@sarazink2237amazing
@ThreePuttBogeys88
2 жыл бұрын
This is an extreme example of the sunk cost fallacy. After having gone through all that it’s just soooo hard to walk away. Such a hard choice
@Marthastewart209.
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I was thinking the same thing. Sunk Cost Fallacy
@cadavison
2 жыл бұрын
Once she realizes it is a fallacy, it should be easy to walk away. The spell should be broken.
@abdullah7792
2 жыл бұрын
@@cadavison easier said than done. Time, brain power, stress, and money have all gone. And for nothing? It's hard to justify walking away after such a sacrifice.
@cadavison
2 жыл бұрын
@@abdullah7792 I don't think you know what "fallacy" means.
@abdullah7792
2 жыл бұрын
@@cadavison knowing the definition of "fallacy" won't magically break it. Not that simple kid.
@saraho3606
2 жыл бұрын
As a doctor, I found this discussion to be thoughtful, respectful and helpful
@jeffmorse5599
2 жыл бұрын
Just be a telemedicine doc for one of these urget care facilities. Less money less stress and can do it from anywhere
@cometasporelcielo
5 ай бұрын
no you can't because of licensure. she's restricted to serve certain states.
@WarmongerYT
5 ай бұрын
This is a good idea
@colegreene2153
2 жыл бұрын
I loved how open she was to the advice. She didn’t come in here hoping or willing them to justify her wish
@boredoreos
2 жыл бұрын
I dated a physician resident, and she was saying there are a lot of people in medical residency that want to just pay off their student loans and then quit.
@mph5896
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, I know some that are ready to bail.
@boredoreos
2 жыл бұрын
@1 Funnily enough, after I broke up with the resident, I dated and married a nurse.
@gmarie3053
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what they do after with a medical degree?
@VHale-yz7hc
2 жыл бұрын
All the ones I know like money too much to just quit lol
@PrincesaMelao
2 жыл бұрын
Wow …. Really. Interesting
@TimeisUp22
2 жыл бұрын
Why not take a year off to breathe and go back? Especially if you have the savings for it. Going to school to pay the loans off and quit right after seems like a waste.
@thesmartbudgetchannel2940
2 жыл бұрын
She wasted years of her life
@heygio87
2 жыл бұрын
But its a waste to do something you hate. Buy working part time with no vaccine mandate seems okay.
@bobbyb7672
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely!
@palazzolo85
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Total waste. Go to work. Pile up that cash get completely debt free and enjoy life
@medicgrrl123
2 жыл бұрын
It's alot easier said then done. Sure it's the mature thing etc to do a job you hate, but most people don't understand the vileness that people through at you when you are in Healthcare of any sort. From CNA to Medic to Doctor. It's why people are leaving the profession and there is a shortage of medics Nationwide. It's not worth putting yourself in danger or dealing with the mental abuse you deal with on a consistent basis. And no. No one gets into Healthcare thinking they are going to be an emotional punching bag for patients, co workers and those they work for.
@undecidedtoystore3003
2 жыл бұрын
She kinda gave the impression that she was done with the idea of being a doctor. Honestly, she did the work, studied and paid off the debt. She can 100% retire early if it doesn't make sense for her and the kids. It's great to see a new caller be responsible with their choices! Hope the best for her and her journey as a stay at home mother.
@BetYouHateMeNow
2 жыл бұрын
I think this is the first comment that gets it, a lot of the other people think they understand how stressful these situations can be but that's because they are only focused on the money.
@kingdele01
Жыл бұрын
Unless you have a developmentally challenged child, kids don't need to be watched 24/7
@nightwings8984
Жыл бұрын
I hate to slam reality on you, but thats not how it works. She did the work to start her life, what was the point of going to school, just to pay off the debt? Now is when she should get after it.
@bettygrable6440
8 ай бұрын
@@kingdele01what? Kids are watched at school by adults…?
@bettygrable6440
8 ай бұрын
@@nightwings8984Sunk cost analysis. Who cares what she does if the debt’s paid off?
@charles3106
5 ай бұрын
You’re not done, get to financial freedom then quit. You’re at the breakeven but now 10 years down, suck it up for 10 more, save 100 a year, then quit.
@nurse.christian
2 жыл бұрын
Burnout for healthcare workers is a real phenomenon. I hope she can balance this situation out. ✅
@ij1376
2 жыл бұрын
Stay at home moms should never be frowned on, they are a treasure. My mom did that and took care of us kids.
@bighands69
2 жыл бұрын
My grandmother raised a family, worked her small farm and worked on other small farms. She is lucky that she is a doctor because there are part time options with that profession.
@xiomaragomez6649
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agreed. She has paid her dues. She can stay at home for abit, then she will miss patient care. She will go back, hopefully.
@alqoshgirl
7 ай бұрын
Exactly! And no. Your education isn’t a waste. She seriously can pick up her work anytime she wants. The worst case scenario is that she won’t be making as much as her peers or perhaps need to do some extra courses or training. But no way was her education a waste as many falsely seem to think. There’s nothing wrong with taking a break and being with your kids!
@lainedoss2734
7 ай бұрын
My mother stayed home and DROVE ME INSANE! I begged her to leave me alone and get a job. Do something! Staying at home and cleaning and feeding kids is a horrible way to spend your time.
@natalieeubank4533
6 ай бұрын
@@lainedoss2734says you, but you don’t realize and appreciate what you had I don’t think either, it’s sound like you resented her for all the wrong reasons
@emmyty
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes when the level of burnout is severe, it is healing to look for mundane, peaceful tasks that still keep you busy, but don't require so much mental energy.
@2967_
2 жыл бұрын
She made three babies while doing a demanding career. She deserves a break. She might be having post partum. It's time her husband step up.
@lynnebucher6537
2 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought. Three babies on top of hectic work schedule, no wonder she's fried.
@internz4259
2 жыл бұрын
She wanted those babies
@Georgeqaws
2 жыл бұрын
Double standard. What makes u think he hasn't stepped up? Would u say that if the man was the doctor and the wife was staying home taking care of things and going to school to start a career? I doubt it. It probably has made sense for the man to stay home because of her high debt and higher income.
@isay207
6 ай бұрын
Her choice why do people have multiple kids then complain about them
@po5tm4n
2 жыл бұрын
What solid good advice. Healthcare workers truly are wired differently. I feel bad for even taking a vacation, like I could be doing something.
@paulvarjak7378
2 жыл бұрын
The exact thing can be said for most high level professions. Engineers, lawyers, construction project managers. Most really high functioning people find it difficult taking vacations or just relaxing. It's call conscientiousness and *not* especially unique to the medical industry.
@heygio87
2 жыл бұрын
It's about prestige, ego , and money
@Dan16673
2 жыл бұрын
My wife is a doc, the field is very tough. I couldn't do it
@shadypines9929
2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of careers that MDs can do outside of a medical practice. Clinical trial research, medical affairs for a pharma company, medical writing... Many of these jobs can be done remotely.
@jacqueline8566
2 жыл бұрын
Yup!!! And total compensation at a pharma company for MDs/DOs would be substantially more than a clinician for most specialities.
@jacqueline8566
2 жыл бұрын
Oh she said $190K lol She’d make SUBSTANTIALLY more base, & total comp and be able to work from home Some other roles than what mentioned above: medical science liaison, pharmacovigilance, safety science/medical safety, outcomes research, epidemiology, pharmacoepi, project/program management, so on and so on
@bighands69
2 жыл бұрын
Working 12 hours a week as a doctor and coming out with a salary that is very near to the average salary is not a bad option.
@keithwisdom1663
6 ай бұрын
College professor 😊
@hegerwalter
2 жыл бұрын
Well, the other big question for students aspiring to be doctors is, "Is it all worth it?" I know of doctors whose parents told them not to go into medicine.
@awesomewxyz7083
2 жыл бұрын
My dad told me not to become a doctor. He said it wasn't worth it. But grass is greener from the other side. Sometimes I wish I had chosen medicine though... Not sure a corporate life is better than a doctor life... Perhaps my dad didn't experience how life was like for others who aren't doctors
@rolandoflores2806
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine paying $300k for an education and then deciding to be a stay at home mom
@thepowerofthegodhand7003
2 жыл бұрын
Stupidity
@nmuganda1
2 жыл бұрын
Your kids are only young once. She can always go back to work once they are in school. I think she’s burned out and needs a break.
@Thebootyrater
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly why does this always happen 😂 the dad should just be a stay at home dad with the income she’s making.
@Thebootyrater
2 жыл бұрын
@@nmuganda1 okay but what do we tell men to do that are burnt out and need a break? We tell them to man up because they have a family to take care of. She needs to do the same thing I’m sorry to say it but she makes WAY more then her husband so it’s either that or they make way less money…
@jrn3342
2 жыл бұрын
@@Thebootyrater It's not for every one. It has it's own unique challenges.
@Rachel-ul8et
2 жыл бұрын
I am a doctor, and when I first started working I also started a family right away (because school took so long I was getting reproductively old. I did not want to leave my baby and would of made a choice to stay at home if I could of. It was hard for all those young child at home years. Now that they are in school I’m so grateful to have work that makes a difference. It’s a calling, but so is being a parent. Praying helps no matter what you
@stewbugz5213
2 жыл бұрын
You sound like a great mom and wonderful doctor! Glad it worked out for you!
@littleripper312
2 жыл бұрын
This is what worries me when professional woman say they want to quit and stay at home. It's a really difficult situation but a person who is wired to work hard and be busy is going to be depressed when their kids gradually don't need a stay at home mom anymore. Also if there's any issues with the marriage they're now financially dependent on their husband.
@staceystrukel1917
2 жыл бұрын
@@littleripper312 you know you can work at least part time when the kids are in school, right? Leaving your kids with strangers all day to make more money than you need is not ok. It's greedy. That applies to moms and dads. If dad is more nurturing and mom makes good money, he should stay home. Nobody should be blaming women in this but somehow the kids well being is always forgotten.
@Rachel-ul8et
2 жыл бұрын
@@staceystrukel1917 we are all doing the best we can with what we have. Life is complex and ever changing. Lots of prayer is the best guide to navigate the many work/life family dynamics, and the changes that happen over time. What seems like a blessing one day can turn into a curse another. In a complex, long game it’s hard to say what is right, and what is wrong.
@ClearOutSamskaras
2 жыл бұрын
You're no doctor. "would of made..."? "if I could of..."? Jesus Christ!
@anniesshenanigans3815
2 жыл бұрын
I quit working thinking I would NEVER go back to healthcare, but nothing else would 'do it' for me. I am not a doctor but I agree with the idea that healthcare workers in general are wired differently and tend to be workaholics.. its easy to get back to too much work, even with a break. I took some time off, went back part time, then went back full time..
@travelnurseadventures3225
2 жыл бұрын
@Lesbian Mustard Bottleno, CheapoBunny is correct, I’m a travel nurse and healthcare workers are wired differently.
@bigh8121
2 жыл бұрын
I hear you on that one.
@JulieTobin-Ruszczyk
2 жыл бұрын
@Lesbian Mustard Bottle you don't understand the personality of a Healthcare worker of any kind, doctor to technician. Your comment is so wrong. sincerely a Healthcare worker
@Sophie3647s
2 жыл бұрын
In healthcare and I love vacation and time off~ granted if its paid?!😂
@medicgrrl123
2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to quit working as a medic and never going back. If I could declare bankruptcy and work at Walmart, I would definitely be alot happier.
@TheRealAbrahamLincoln
2 жыл бұрын
If the gender roles were reversed and the husband were talking like this, Dave would have ripped him a new one.
@marcusvision
2 жыл бұрын
Well yeah...a guy doesn't pop out a human and go through emotional stress due to certain hormonal levels affecting judgement and physical changes their body.
@SVSky
2 жыл бұрын
They're debt free and have 250K in retirement, they're in a good spot.
@danielreeder62
2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@taylortwinsandpreslie8662
2 жыл бұрын
Men and women and different. With different roles in the family. It's ok to speak to a woman differently than a man. We are not interchangeable.
@FredDogification
2 жыл бұрын
@@SVSky they are not debt free… they are student loan free.
@erikq9788
2 жыл бұрын
Just take 3-5 years off eventually when the kid is grown up a little she will get bored. She should go back it’s normal to be burnt out especially if you were paying debt off so aggressively. Take a break and get back into it in 3-5 years
@TheLifeJOGJourneyofGrowth
2 жыл бұрын
This is the best solution. She will have enough with Kids once they are a little older and autonomous, she will be a little bored and would want to do something else with her life. Just take a break and come back to it in the future.
@comment_account2343
2 жыл бұрын
She needs to maintain all her certifications, and keep a foot in the system. Healthcare is not always forgiving to people who take time off because they do not know if you have kept up with your skills and knowledge, definitely easier on the nursing side than physician side.
@skylarcarlson7745
2 жыл бұрын
I’d stay at work until the house is paid off, sounds like she could do that In no time. Husbands income would go a lot further after that
@az21bob666
2 жыл бұрын
She being selfish. By not working. She need to at least work part Pay of the house and save.
@jameshorton3692
6 ай бұрын
I’m very proud of this woman but this happens a lot and it’s 100% why we have a doctors shortage.
@josereyes1148
2 жыл бұрын
Am i the only one who could stop working today and be perfectly fine for the rest of my life finding other things to do? I always hear people talk about getting bored. Nope im good. Ill go do things I want to do.
@VHale-yz7hc
2 жыл бұрын
No offense to you but everyone is wired differently. And it’s much diff if you have a career you’re passionate about vs just a “ job”
@sauvensfleurinord9084
5 ай бұрын
@@VHale-yz7hcno offense to you but I am 23 (almost 24). I have a masters and have been an engineer for about 3 years but have been doing engineering things for as long as I can remember. I absolutely love my job but if I didn’t HAVE to do it meaning that I was set financially for the rest of my life, I ABSOLUTELY would not be working. I would still be working on projects on my own time when i feel like it but I for sure would quit my job. There are so many other things I rather do and that’s coming from someone who’s entire life is centered around his work.
@andytaylor1588
2 жыл бұрын
It could very well be a case of post partum depression. I hope she does what she needs to do to live a long, wonderful life. Raise the kids and when they all are in school, perhaps get back into medicine.
@stewbugz5213
2 жыл бұрын
Great point.
@xiomaragomez6649
2 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same. Hope she enjoys her family and then continue w her career.
@AnnMitt
2 жыл бұрын
Why can't she work part-time?
@MR3DDev
2 жыл бұрын
Most positions for drs are not part time, that one only happens if you work for very specific clinics
@3ofus135
2 жыл бұрын
She can work part-time in clinics. When I worked in urgent care as a medical assistant, we had full-time and part-time physicians.
@miranda1636
2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised they didn’t tell her to just take a few years off, like 1-4 years off until all the kids are in school, then go back to work.
@NasciParaAdorar7
2 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought!
@curiouscat3384
7 ай бұрын
They kind of did. They encouraged her to quit the current job and then figure out over time what she wants to do with her career.
@ukrd94
2 жыл бұрын
Take time off. Let that time make the decision. Trust me...you WILL want to work. Human beings are mobile beings and we cannot stay still doing the same thing for long. You will eventually miss what you do and go back to work. Hence why your husband is working. You get tired and bored of not working. Just take tine for yourself. You paid your dues. Take some time. Then go back at it. You are debt free and have an amazing income. Enjoy life ;)
@egr3071
2 жыл бұрын
This is me but with a different career. I’m a few weeks from paying off $55k in student loans and I’m burned out from work as well. I definitely feel for her so maybe I’ll just apply to work somewhere else or take a break.
@bighands69
2 жыл бұрын
What is your line of work?
@egr3071
2 жыл бұрын
@@bighands69 Im in public education
@bighands69
2 жыл бұрын
@@egr3071 If you are a teacher and have the savings you could take a career break or even find a part time post. If you are in management it probably would be more difficult to take that break.
@egr3071
2 жыл бұрын
@@bighands69 i am applying to other jobs and I’m also considering a year off. Thanks for your genuine reply!
@Nixonskitchen
2 жыл бұрын
This is always tough but if I were in her shoes, I would take a lot of PTO this year and have the mindset of weathering the storm to retire very early. With both incomes and such a small amount of house debt left she can stack up a large nest egg and do whatever she wants in a few years.
@gmarie3053
2 жыл бұрын
Sound advice but sometimes when you’re done, you’re done
@larabraver
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I did at age 42. Also in medicine, paid 325k, built passive income with real estate and now work is optional.
@razojacqueline
2 жыл бұрын
I always thought doctors were rich but now that I watch financial shows I realize they are broke.
@unfairsanic5089
2 жыл бұрын
More broke than you think
@kingdele01
Жыл бұрын
@TriIII The ROI is actually not terrible! - Working full-time would result in her paying it off within 3yrs - Every year worked after that is pure profit for her & her family. I wish I had a business that made such guaranteed profit 😂! Also, different hospitals pay you different amounts and with years of experience, you could demand more compensation.
@BeyondDentistry
2 жыл бұрын
Leaning hard into that sunk cost fallacy. This mom should do what she wants to. I would keep the license active for sure, but there is nothing wrong with taking a full (walk away) sabbatical to reorient your priorities.
@nichtsistkostenlos6565
8 ай бұрын
You shouldn't just walk away from 10 year $300k investments just because one day you feel like it. It's not a clear "sunk cost fallacy" because she is benefitting financially tremendously by staying in. Sunk cost fallacy usually refers to when you're losing money/investment by staying in in hopes of a payoff, the payoff is guaranteed in this case and she's walking away from the direct benefit.
@jasonwilliams3064
2 жыл бұрын
She took on the responsibility of the debt and owned it. She paid it off. She put herself in a situation where she earned freedom. I hope she takes the break - she earned it. She can always go back after spending some time with her children.
@sparklingpersonality87
Жыл бұрын
I’m a lawyer. I can’t wait to be done with student loans in 2-3 more years because the stress of needing a high paying job feels suffocating. The higher the pay, more often the higher the stress. I’ll always want to be a lawyer, but I want to be able to have the option to take a $70/80k a year job. I may stay at my job, but not having the option is rough.
@DLReed-qc4fy
9 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you! Not having debt opens up so many doors for you.
@arga400
2 жыл бұрын
Why the hate in the comments? She paid off the debt, if after paying it off she decides is not for her it's all fine. If she had quit while in debt then yeah it'd be stupid but in this scenario it's fine.
@SDR-TV17
2 жыл бұрын
Dave Ramsey saved my life ever since I found his content. His philosophy, belief and life approach was everything and anything. Great episode with Kristina, I hope she finds her balance in well being. Money is one thing, family is another but a service to health is also something to keep top of mind. Happy holidays all! ☺️🎄❤️
@Vdeepak2011
2 жыл бұрын
She could go into medical teaching or healthcare admin kinda jobs that’s not too stressful
@csick11
2 жыл бұрын
Administration in Healthcare is stressful.
@jill9606
2 жыл бұрын
Teaching is stressful!
@staceyk2274
2 жыл бұрын
Those are both highly stressful fields. Also I agree with the earlier commenter - most physicians would never sell their souls to go into admin. Basically on par with big pharma and the insurance companies.
@itsaccer7443
2 жыл бұрын
There’s no such thing as a not too stressful job that pays well
@kingdele01
Жыл бұрын
@@jill9606 There is nothing in life that doesn't involve stress. I'll tell you what would be more stressful, having the hi back to work 15yrs later ,(older, more tired with potentially chronic health issues or widowed), whenever your kids need money to go to college
@nuleafonlyfe04
2 жыл бұрын
Ma'am...you went all the way through medical school and you just wanna quit your career because you had a baby? I do get taking a break because you were grinding to pay debt, but you don't just quit. Do two days a week. I just don't understand these women. 🤣😆🤣😆🤣
@CroisMoi
2 жыл бұрын
She will miss it if she leaves completely. I have treated patients since 1997 and took a break to write books. There is a lot of satisfaction in helping people. But people can be really mean and make you want to quit. The majority are nice, and have no idea how horrible some patients can be. It is hard to get over it when you dedicate yourself to helping people.
@princealmighty5391
11 ай бұрын
Hi I feel burnt out already doctor what should I do
@ross2747
2 жыл бұрын
She is tired of the "Administrators" working from home and having to do what they say........
@a.m811
2 жыл бұрын
working is overrated
@godsdaughter8439
6 ай бұрын
*edit from me*: OVERworking is overrated if you have no debt.
@kara2162
2 жыл бұрын
That's A LOT of money and A LOT of time to completely give it up. Keep a foot in there.
@isay207
6 ай бұрын
Exactly why go through years of training education to be a stay at home parent didn't make sense to me
@mikesmith-wk7vy
2 жыл бұрын
Take a break or work less hours a doctor has a lot of options, because 120k drop is a big lifestyle change
@blackworldtraveler3711
2 жыл бұрын
Money is everything.
@mph5896
2 жыл бұрын
They just paid off 300k. I doubt it would be any change at all. All that extra $ was going towards debt.
@paulvarjak7378
2 жыл бұрын
@@mph5896 That's a wild assumption.
@mph5896
2 жыл бұрын
Paul Varjak in their 30’s, paid off 300k in 5-8 years. Attending at 28 or so, under 200k salary. Nothing is wild about my comment, I know the industry. They were living on rice and beans to do what they did.
@travelnurseadventures3225
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly and the longer this doc is out of the field the harder it will be to get back in and be relevant-cause where I work all the doctors are from other countries and some are paid cheaper (on contracts) and they hustle, this caller is dreaming. Doctors are very competitive and so it healthcare-she needs to stay in the field and do teledoc or something-cause she will not be relevant sooner than she thinks.
@noname75013
2 жыл бұрын
Husband stays home and she should work. Equality!!@
@aplanefliesabove
2 жыл бұрын
That's a major personal investment to become a doctor then become debt free. Definitely take time off for at least a year, and see how it is...
@racheln4309
2 жыл бұрын
Woah guys, getting your kids a snack IS a high level problem. Moms of toddlers everywhere know.
@MsIvebeenthinking
2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE that you have a choice! What a gift. Stay home and enjoy your babies! Ali Abdaal, a KZitemr, just quit being a doctor and I am sure there are lots of people who have left medicine. We are at a time in the world where people are making very different choices around lifestyle, pursuits, peace, etc…! Love the discussion. Thanks for the reminder that there are far greater things than being a doctor, like being a parent.
@TheDjcarter1966
2 жыл бұрын
I would be sorely tempted to work another two years, you could pay off the house and bank another $250k in retirement. Making $65K having a mortgage payment with three kids is barely comfortable along with $250k in retirement. Now making $65k having no mortgage and $500k in retirement sounds like you are set.
@Tw0HOT4Tv
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with tour assessment.
@smhninja3746
2 жыл бұрын
The problem with Dave's "rice and beans until you're out of debt" is that it sounds like common sense, but it will burn you out.
@spicerc1244
2 жыл бұрын
She wouldn’t have had to burn herself out if she didn’t take out $300k in student loans. You may ask, how else you pay for medicos school? Well she now wishes she didn’t in the first place.
@smhninja3746
2 жыл бұрын
@@spicerc1244 so that's your solutions to problems? Go back in time? There are other ways she could get off debt and won't be living on rice and bean but those ways don't alight with Ramsey model.
@spicerc1244
2 жыл бұрын
@@smhninja3746 How else do you pay off debt without using your own money? If you don't have the cash to initially go to college then you shouldn't go. Not at that time anyway. Same thing for a house. Save, save, and save. Nobody said it would be quick, nobody said it would be easy. You don't have to go to college at 18. You can save and go later. Anybody who says otherwise, just wanted to party with their friends. She should never have gone to medical school in the first place. It wasn't for her if she can't afford it - and that has proven to be true now that she hates it.
@kingdele01
Жыл бұрын
It depends! For a single person, one can do something similar without being really burned out. But for a person married with kids, it might be a harder pill to swallow.
@DemetriPanici
2 жыл бұрын
That had to have been SO draining. Respect for knocking that out though
@cramsa
2 жыл бұрын
Became a doctor after all this debt and time and doesn’t want to continue being a doctor… that space could have gone to someone else.
@ykook7000
2 жыл бұрын
And? It happens everyday in the American system look at all the debt vlogs on KZitem half of them are Americans paying off student loans for professions they don't want to do anymore and degrees they won't use
@private-private
5 ай бұрын
Imagine a man who was a doctor coming home to his wife and saying he did not want to return to work, that he was stressed, that he could not give to his wife and child like he wanted to give if he returned to work. Imagine her face, imagine what Ramsey would say, Imagine what society would think of this "loser" because that is exactly how everyone would see him as a man. A loser!! He is how it will play out for the husband. If they do this they will struggle financially, she will end of blaming her husband for their tight financial circumstances and very likely she will leave him blaming him all the way through it all right up to divorce. Now as a man I understand why she wants to quit, thats not my issue but what is my issue is women in general demand equality but when they get it they dont want the responsibility that comes with it.
@OverThrowMe
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine doing all that work to pay off $300k in loans just to never use your degree again lol
@nopenope1244
2 жыл бұрын
Problem with our society is people look for status instead of money.
@cortezcollins8047
2 жыл бұрын
Schools advertise these degrees as the only option and this the result.
@last_samurai6690
2 жыл бұрын
Oh well. She still has that option to use her degree. And I am sure once she relaxes and or once the kids get a wee older she can always go back to work.
@ykook7000
2 жыл бұрын
Happens all the time in the American system.
@kennethelsbury2857
2 жыл бұрын
Like Dave said, she's put in a tremendous commitment in both time and financial resources to get to where she is. I think she should also ask herself if, now that the weight of the debt is gone, will there be a renewed sense of purpose or enjoyment in the work now that she can work for her own and her families benefit. She's no longer working for the debt.
@patricks607
2 жыл бұрын
Ya know…you put in all that effort in school, then all the effort into paying off the debt…now you wanna quit??? This it the moment where you can make exponential wealth. Keep working. Just my opinion. Otherwise, what was it all for??? You could of skipped school altogether and got a job for 70k…
@amandag4618
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it was an ego thing just to become a physician…..
@kaylaa2466
2 жыл бұрын
You’re a man. You don’t get it. You cannot put a price on staying home with your babies. You just can’t.
@Thebootyrater
2 жыл бұрын
@@kaylaa2466 “your a man you wouldn’t get it” ma’am the dad needs to be a stay at home dad and she needs to work. I know it seems backwards but it’s 2021 she makes way more then him. It’s the logical thing to do….
@kaylaa2466
2 жыл бұрын
@@Thebootyrater She doesn’t have to work if she doesn’t want to. If they can live on his income, SIR, then she has every right to do that.
@fishingangler4315
2 жыл бұрын
@@kaylaa2466 He doesn’t have to work if he doesn’t want to. If they can live on her income, then he has every right to do that.
@minervagalvez4748
2 жыл бұрын
Don't quit! HOW ABOUT TAKING SOME TIME OFF??? I know your burnt out but you also have stress in the household too! Take Time to really plan this out...
@paolaristori6179
Жыл бұрын
My mother was a M.D. too. She married and never finished her og-gyn 'specializzazione' as we had in Italy. She was a stay at home mom and she always regretted it. There never were financial troubles at all, her marriage was good but she always hated being just a mother and a wife. She always told my sister and me, do whatever it takes but hold to your profession while having little kids. They will grow and leave you alone in an empty nest. Plus, even if it was never her problem, she always nailed on us: never ever, for any reason, give up your financial indipendence. You must always be able to earn on your own enough to support yourself if god forbid needed, even if your husband earns more than you do. Thanks mom, you were so right.
@icawn
7 ай бұрын
I am sorry she regrets being a stay at home mother for you. That is not how it should be. That is definitely not right.
@kellygarvin7955
6 ай бұрын
Great reply
@paolaristori6179
6 ай бұрын
@@icawn why? She was a stay at home mother to please her husband, the general view of the period since her husband was earning more than enough and also due to contingencies. Thst was it, since after married she relocated from Italy to South America. I understand now she was also very weak more than once and later she regretted it. She loved us and took very good care of us, but she was never really in peace with herself. Problably she was smart but in the '50s and '60s she didn't have the gut to assert herself.
@OUpsychChick
5 ай бұрын
I believe when we make a decision and feel unhappy with it the automatic assumption is that we made the wrong decision, but that is not always the truth. My mom, like yours drilled into my head that I should find a good profession, stick with it, and maintain financial independence. I have a good, intellectually challenging, and high paying job. Before my kids I loved it and was excited to start each day. That changed for me once the nurse put my son in my arms. Now I resent my job. It burns me out. I dred getting up in the morning and having to do it again and I feel completely trapped. I feel like I have lost time, years, and experiences with my children, and the stress and pressure of my job takes away from my ability to parent well. I agree with your mom soon you will be an empty nester, but in my view that just makes it feel worse, because I could have worried about work then. That has been my experience so naturally I might assume it's better to stay home and teach that to my daughter. I rather not drill anything into her. I hope to help her understand the risks and rewards of either situation so she can make an informed and personal choice where she is prepared to listen to her heart and understand the color of the grass on both sides of the fence. For my situation I do the best I can to make lemonade out of my lemons.
@theGrayArea2
2 жыл бұрын
Just take a year off, enjoy some time with your family and for yourself. After a year come back three days a week or find a way to make your job fun again, perhaps teaching new doctors coming in
@marionwalkerjr.7394
2 жыл бұрын
I ain't gonna lie. I would be mad if my wife decided to stop being a doctor. Dave gave her good advice.
@gemil9933
2 жыл бұрын
People get burnt out/depressed. Nothing to be mad at, should be understanding for their well-being.
@candy2325
2 жыл бұрын
Bad husband
@marionwalkerjr.7394
2 жыл бұрын
@@candy2325 I would be mad about my wife quitting medicine. It doesn't mean I wouldn't support her decision.
@patde1264
2 жыл бұрын
You have NO Idea the Stress
@medicgrrl123
2 жыл бұрын
I mean really, if you would be mad about it, you could always go to med school....
@JoeyNYSDnomad
2 жыл бұрын
It's not politically correct for women to say they want to stay home and raise the kids. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a Mom, thats a full time job without needing loans.
@roolyfe
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not a career! Or a job! It’s a responsibility!
@Dis_is_fine
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I’m a woman and I would a thousand times rather work than raise children. Being a mother does not look easy at all
@Thebootyrater
2 жыл бұрын
So you went to school and racked up 300k in student loans just to want to be a stay at home mom? Nah the dad needs to be taking care of the kids and you need to be working. Sorry if it goes against peoples beliefs but it’s the only logical thing to do in this situatio.
@willnill7946
2 жыл бұрын
She will start to resent her husband
@bigeric8334
2 жыл бұрын
You know the dude pushing his old lady back to work she makes 3x as much as him
@maxxlaw4081
2 жыл бұрын
ThankU! Finally, someone said what I was thinking.
@tannerrienbolt3143
2 жыл бұрын
$300k degree to be a stay at home mom lol
@michealspates2979
2 жыл бұрын
There are several doctors who walk away from it when they're done with it. Med School Insiders- Quit, Ali Abdaal- Quit, Barbell Medicine JF- Quit. Those are just three examples of doctors on youtube who got the attention from quitting. Now they all have other jobs but still, there is a way to pivot away from being a doctor.
@pimpballer3
2 жыл бұрын
Spend $300k on a degree, pay it off and then quit the career. Very smart people.....Full circle to broke
@guldukan
2 жыл бұрын
she can do locums like traveling nurse but only do few times in a month
@travelnurseadventures3225
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but she would be away from her family, don’t think she has the personality for that.
@jrn3342
2 жыл бұрын
I was literally about to say telemedicine when Dr John said something.
@yourgooglemeister6745
2 жыл бұрын
Hypergamy will make this marriage fail there's no longer any debate on this
@marcenelj
2 жыл бұрын
Haha if roles were reversed, Dave would have told the man to man up and take care of his family.
@HHHPedigrees
Жыл бұрын
Yep women have it easy
@Observer100-cn7gv
6 ай бұрын
Girl, some of us don't have children but don't want to return to work. Don't know how mothers do it.
@AllIAm1
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely take a year off; that’s why Canada has paid maternity leave for 12 months
@MeaHeaR
2 жыл бұрын
Nowhere was the Husband opinion mention, it seem she just wanna quit unt play withé her New Toys "Oooih look Childrén" Without any consideration of her partner having to be Burdened with the finance while she take advantage of the situation. She didn't really plan things well it seems. Maybé thé father can look after the kid unt give up work whilst she rake in the xtra Mónéy to settinģ up bettér lifés for hér childrêns collégês etc so
@spicerc1244
2 жыл бұрын
Delony brings up a good point. This lady became a doctor and paid off $300k. That’s not the type of person of stays home all day.
@joseacoronado9435
5 ай бұрын
Perfect example of double standard. She's the main source of income. Oh, I'm burned out! What about the man who works for 50 years.
@ckookiemonster
2 жыл бұрын
What a waste of 18 years and paying off 300k
@aweisen1
2 жыл бұрын
If you had any idea what it takes to get through med school and residency, you'd understand how HUGE this is to quit. I'd bet, you've not experienced anything close to that kind of dedication.
@nicolcacola
2 жыл бұрын
You act like she's never going to work again. Dramatic.
@Buggu3
2 жыл бұрын
Y accomplishment is measure by money?? … she wants to be a mother to her kid/kids that in its self is an accomplishment bcuz it dose t come with instructions!
@alexfonseca2063
2 жыл бұрын
What about living 80 years and then dying? Everything in life is a waste. 18 years wasted is nothing.
@gooserich3970
7 ай бұрын
She is in her 30’s she can put up with stress at least until at least 45 years of age making 200k? People take early years of good health for granted… wouldn’t the logic be to quit having kids? Sounds like she have saved up a heep of money and the husband doesn’t know and now she thinks he needs to fend for himself….Dave should not be light on women just because they have feelings!!!
@jenniferharding4246
2 жыл бұрын
A woman who just had a 3rd baby and paid off 300K DESERVES a break! Hubby needs to STEP UP!
@CougarSand
6 ай бұрын
Sounds like she needs to step up and do her job.
@walteralcazar
6 ай бұрын
Average income is around the 40k mark isn’t it, 70k I say he’s doing just fine. I’m sick of everyone thinking 100k is the norm… but I agree she does need a break and she should consider just doing it part time after a long break.
@CougarSand
6 ай бұрын
@@walteralcazar She ain't need no break. If anything she's been lazy.
@BlueBookLessons
6 ай бұрын
He needs to step up? That was her debt. She said that she paid off the debt but that doesn't mean he didn't help. So now you want him to take the load? He doesn't need a break?
@CougarSand
6 ай бұрын
@@BlueBookLessons He was a lazy bum and it's obvious. She works hard and he needs at least 2 more jobs. WE AIN'T GONNA TOLERATE HIS LAZINESS!!!!!
@FutureNomad68
Ай бұрын
I've worked in medical offices my whole life, and the hours the doctors put in are unhuman. They are wired differently then most, and now, with the Internet, patients contact and and email them around the clock, their days never end. I think this lady got good advice, to just stay in it with telemedicine visits or part time somewhere.
@hollon1697
2 жыл бұрын
So why did she become a physician in the first place? Women need to think long term before undergoing this path
@midwesthoons8876
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s the difference between a male and female mindset. MOST men don’t get burnt out and would never even consider dropping their income that much just because they’re becoming lazy
@jgg204
2 жыл бұрын
Spending time with family and being able to enjoy your days how you see fit, as a reward for paying off debt, is perfectly acceptable. In fact, isn't having more freedom as a result of removing the debt handcuffs one of the goals? Financial and time freedom
@bigdogboos1
Жыл бұрын
God created women to be a help mate for a husband. stay home, take care of the kids/home, and let your husband do what God designed him to do ... provide and protect for his family. just stop thinking you have to do it all, nobody is supposed to. hence the marriage
@jacobl5488
2 жыл бұрын
190 is so nothing for a doctor. She needs to renegotiate.
@kensmith2796
2 жыл бұрын
That's actually pretty standard for a family practitioner and she lives out in a rural area in the midwest.
@jondoe5305
2 жыл бұрын
Living in Iowa just buy a 100k house and relax. Lucky you arnt in NYC or the west coast.
@lawrenceweston922
2 жыл бұрын
The medical professionals are the true heroes.
@abcdefg216
5 ай бұрын
The thing with part time is that its still the same amount of patients... You still see the AMOUNT of ppl you dont have time to help = the mental stress is the same for full and part time (IF?) your are or have been burnt out.
@etlive8047
2 жыл бұрын
The point is she got burned out trying to pay Zombie debt called student loans.
@boystobusiness
2 жыл бұрын
Mostly only women think this way. A man needs purpose, and being at home with the kids is not gratifying enough. Men need a purpose and job, that’s why having a women being the financial backbone is Avery risky, you don’t know when they will quit or want to.
@Rashaadthegr8
2 жыл бұрын
I have been burned out from dead-end jobs but I have never been burned out from something I love to do. NOt saying it doesn't exist but it's better than being homeless or in debt.
@premchettri7170
2 жыл бұрын
What most people failed to understand in this + comment discussions are NOT every doctor are equal. Some people just get the degree and practice it without actually contributing value. There are youtubers who are Engineers and Doctors, they just there to show off as doc / etc but they are actually a failures and they look for someone to help them while doing the real work. As an engineer I know 70% of team member just there asking others help to keep the job.. Specially woman ( not all but majority of em ) are just there to maintain diversity, they bring no class or quality in work... So this woman is clearly not a dedicated medical professional and just another model doc ( We call em Model ). Otherwise the hardcore professional cannot walk .. I cannot sit myself doing nothing.. its just in my DNA
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