I had to cut out the clip from this video kzitem.info/news/bejne/p5yA0KF9cZR1poosi=YvZGTTz4cr9SR1y- because of copyright. I would have left it alone but sadly this video is doing too well and frankly I need the money. This video was also my best performing video in months which hurts even more because simple commentary videos can’t come without cost.
@moonmerchant7148
4 ай бұрын
Man, I understand the money part. I hope things become easier for you.
@realityandnaturepill
4 ай бұрын
The elephant in the room is that deadlift, squat and bench are the fitness equivalents of a social conditioning experiment, the mantra is "you have to do them" or at the very least "nothing beats these exercises". As such there are many individuals who don't have the proper body mechanics or proportions or who have far different goals than what these 3 exercises are mainly good for...yet they are automatically told to do them regardless and when they make slow progress it is automatically assumed that they are doing something wrong, the idea again is "it can not be deadlift, squat or bench, these exercises are flawless". In this commentsection you can see many examples of this dogmatic approach to training; it is brainwashed individuals who then seek to brainwash the next generation of lifters to try and convince themselves that they are right, do not question the deadlift, squat or bench. Comments about how amazing they are for the posterior chain (eventhough they are not and there are far better exercises). Comments stating that only the deadlift helped their lower back pain (what else did they even try before the deadlift...). Comments stating that only bad form or insufficient recovery and egolifting are riskfactors, it is never the deadlift... The conventional deadlift is perhaps the most overrated exercise of all time. Terrible muscle targeting, mostly isomatric contraction, spinal erectors and glutes dominant (the two muscle groups men want or have to grow the most...??), no eccentric control and lack of tension... In all honesty most lifters probably like the deadlift because it allows you to pull a heavy weight, you even give an example of this in your video "they are surprised how heavy they can lift". The gym translation is "an egolift" and that's what deadlifts usually are. Even for the purpose of "learning to lift a heavy object from the floor" they are less than ideal; when is the last time you picked up something heavy in front of your shins? Small heavy objects you lift more like a sumo deadlift and with both hands on either side you lift more like a trap bar deadlift. The mechanics of the conventional deadlift are 'off', as most casual lifters do not like to pull a bar with knurling against their shins...By having the bar in front of you it becomes a lower back exercise, and since the casual lifter does not do proper bracing of the spine many (especially beginners) are indeed prone to injury and fatigue the spinal erectors while not improving any other musclegroup significantly. As for posterior chain the romanian deadlift is a far better option, and since this lift is more humbling, beginners are unlikely to load up heavy and injure themselves. As for hamstrings, the activation is higher with knee flexion than hip extension + the short head of the biceps femoris is monoarticular, it can only perform knee flexion. As for overall back development, any back exercise is a better option, especially row variations and pull/chin-ups. As for traps, shrugs and farmerwalk are far better options + olympic lifts.
@5dollarshake263
4 ай бұрын
Deadlifts are EASILY the most dangerous exercise in the universe. I pulled 315lbs once and my head LITERALLY fell off and rolled across the gym floor and now I'm dead.
@wona1
4 ай бұрын
rip
@franciscovencedor1785
4 ай бұрын
F
@gustavorodrigues4899
4 ай бұрын
Skill issue
@Ricapotamus
4 ай бұрын
Dude I saw a guy deadlift once and he died of Ebola
@Ricapotamus
4 ай бұрын
I heard a story where this guy deadlifted and was sent to be executed
@BUMPER_PLATE_BANDIT
4 ай бұрын
GUYS DO NOT DO DEADLIFTS‼️ I started doing deadlifts now my posterior chain is the size of a mountain and no pants fit anymore ☹️☹️☹️
@kamo7293
4 ай бұрын
I also do squats... Oh no! no pants will fit now!
@fedtom1
4 ай бұрын
lol I’ve just ordered a load of new shorts (again) because of this.
@ChriSX13
4 ай бұрын
fr girls get jealous of my booty and i mostly do just deep squats and deadlifts for the glutes
@zerrodefex
4 ай бұрын
I did squats and deadlifts and now my wife won't stop grabbing my ass.
@ninocraft1
4 ай бұрын
@@ChriSX13 i stopped doing squats for a whole year because my glutes were more developed than my arms...
@sagebauer1077
4 ай бұрын
Paradoxically I think the most dangerous thing about deadlifts is how safe they are. The average gym goer doesn't try maxing out on power cleans, squats, or hell even bench press as often, because those exercises can seriously injure you if you fail them improperly. Meanwhile the worst thing that happens when you fail a deadlift is you drop the bar. So people are more likely to overreach and try to grind, shake, and hitch up a weight they don't have business touching.
@hamm0155
4 ай бұрын
Good point
@yewtewbstew547
4 ай бұрын
100%
@icy3037
4 ай бұрын
yeah, that and the simplicity and stability. It's really easy for inexperienced lifters to way overexert themselves since it's mentally very simple to grind through
@samj8932
4 ай бұрын
Exactly this. Get a beginner to max out a clean and you're in to see snapped ligaments, torn muscles like that clip of the chick dropping it on her quad or broken wrists.
@BGeezy4sheezy
4 ай бұрын
Excellent point. I love squatting heavy, and I picture that dude who died being crushed by a weight he couldn’t handle everytime I get under the bar. The knowledge that I could actually die helps keep me safe. Less danger equals more room for stupidity
@posthawk1393
4 ай бұрын
Deadlifting literally fixed my lower back pain. Nothing else worked; only deadlifting.
@bastiaanbogers4114
4 ай бұрын
Exactly. That's because getting good at the deadlift literally taught you how to utilise your core muscles in daily life. So did it for me. I have to cary moderately heavy things regularly for my work, and I am constantly using the technique that I learned while working towards a 200 kg deadlift.
@sagebauer1077
4 ай бұрын
Same. Was nigh immobile for almost a year with a back injury, figuring out how to deadlift again is what fixed it.
@tanveer.516
4 ай бұрын
Yo, a few years back, hit the gym, thought I was a beast, Overhead press, nerve pinched, my swagger ceased. Came home that night, next day couldn’t rise, Stuck in bed, pain made me wise. Month passed by, pain eased up slow, Back to the gym, but it hurt like whoa. Stopped training, shoulder load was too much, 8-10 months, felt outta touch. Decided to check my ego at the door, Started from scratch, baby steps, nothing more. 15-20 minute warm-ups, got me in the zone, Pound by pound, made each weight my own. Guess what, man? Came back strong as hell, Stronger than I believed, with a story to tell. So here’s the deal, buddy, heed my sound, Climb the ladder slow, pound by pound.
@marcobecerra1977
4 ай бұрын
Same. Had to start with RDLs and increase my mobility. But getting to deadlifting safely has saved me.
@jimbojimson
4 ай бұрын
Same. Always had back pain, struggled to pull 135, always avoided it. Fast forward to today, I can pull 405 on a bad day and I honestly take it for granted anymore that I never have back pain.
@jlogan2228
4 ай бұрын
Injury from deadlift is either 1. Shit form 2. Lifting WAY too heavy 3. Lifting WAY too heavy with shit form 4. Not allowing proper recovery
@strengtheats6399
4 ай бұрын
Also wearing your belt too tightly/not bracing correctly. I think that’s the majority of deadlift injuries tbh.
@mariushager9983
4 ай бұрын
I wouldnt even count shit form as form is extremely subjective. Even a super rounded spine is loadable and you can progress doing deadlifts like that. Load and fatique management are the number 1 reason people injure themselves
@imadeyoureadthis1
4 ай бұрын
I fucked my back because i combined all 4 of these.
@jasonrichardson4448
4 ай бұрын
I would add, not following Mark Rippatoe's guidance.
@Silverfisken1337
4 ай бұрын
@@jasonrichardson4448whenever a "influencer" is dogmatic about that its their way or no way. Their way is usually dogsh*t. Rippetoe perfectly fits that.
@caleb2159
4 ай бұрын
My favorite part is when dudes say deadlifts are dangerous, and then proceed to do 3 plate good morning back squats.
@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer
4 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with that. Good mornings are an awesome exercise for injury prevention
@bragiodinsen4604
4 ай бұрын
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer hes referring to bar path travelling forward during squats because people havent learned how to squat properly which leads to them snapping their back
@demoncore5342
4 ай бұрын
@@bragiodinsen4604 There's nothing wrong with forward lean. In fact most end up squatmorning cause they start too vertical.
@taunokekkonen5733
4 ай бұрын
Robert Obese warning about the deadlift, while recommending power cleans which include a deadlift. Classic.
@BrennanCh06
4 ай бұрын
Nobody ever said he was smart
@mitchellcotton7346
4 ай бұрын
He is not recommending power cleans. He is making an observation based on his time as a college then professional footballer that S&C coaches do not prescribe deadlifts. Additionally, the form is different between the two. Clean variations generally use a wider grip, and a more upright position throughout the lift. Lastly, the loads are hugely different. There's a lot less weight on the bar which could cause issues for you during the first pull (i.e the "deadlift" part of a clean)
@mattbellinajams
4 ай бұрын
I believe he was recommending hang cleans
@everythingstrength1485
4 ай бұрын
Yet, Obie sucked at deadlift💯 couldn't do the opening weight one year
@daytoncoyle7508
4 ай бұрын
You know he's talking about heavy deadlifts and you're not gonna power clean anything close to your heavier deadlift
@heefster
4 ай бұрын
Why do people immediately assume that to do a simple deadlift means giga maxing 1 rep until you blow your whole back? Like is everyone thinking that a deadlift is a powerlifting max competition lift? You can destroy your arms even on a 1 rep max bicep curl if you try hard enough. The fact that these simple things even have to be explained to people is just depressing.
@agnidas5816
4 ай бұрын
they injure it even more doing reps with bad form.
@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer
4 ай бұрын
The irony is, one rep maxes are almost always safer than high rep sets.
@YouVSMeTV
4 ай бұрын
People get hurt on deadlift the most because of its ego lift potential. It’s loud, flashy and makes people “feel” strong. Squat & bench are far more dangerous than releasing a bar to the floor. Poor form will hurt, disable or possibly kill you even at low weight.
@bastiaanbogers4114
4 ай бұрын
I think the problem is that both a squat and a bench press have a much larger perceived risk, because you start in your strongest position and have to lower into a much weaker position where losing control can clearly cause the bar to crush you. With the deadlift, because you just pick it up from the floor, it feels much more safe to go for very heavy weights, even if your body absolutely is not ready for that.
@YouVSMeTV
4 ай бұрын
@@bastiaanbogers4114 yep, and so kids and couch warriors put four 45s on and feel like Hercules even though their back is more crooked than congress. Then wonder why they’re neck, shoulders and back hurt.
@yewtewbstew547
4 ай бұрын
@@YouVSMeTV imo it's also a technical enough lift that it can sometimes he hard to notice form breakdown at higher weights though. With conventional deadlift you can set up perfectly, and you can finish perfectly, but the middle - the actual pull - can get pretty fucked up before you actually feel something "off". That's why so many people end up cat-backing, it's because they literally just don't know they're doing it until someone tells them. And even then it's hard to identify when you've corrected it or not. It's not like squats, with squats if even the smallest thing is off then the whole movement just feels like complete shit.
@YouVSMeTV
4 ай бұрын
@@yewtewbstew547 yeah, the spine does what it was designed to do, stabilize and manage load. It’s when people push through with no regard that discs turn to butter. 🩻
@mr_Thursday
4 ай бұрын
completely agree, ego makes every lift dangerous. Social media doesn't help, normalizing young lifters (enhanced?) lifting 5-6 plates on a regular basis as if it was not a very advanced weight, then see skinny little guys cracking their spines with 2-3 plates just because they read a keyboard warrior saying "you are not a man if you don't deadlift x3 your BW". WTF, nobody starts with those weights, as Zack says, you need to develop and overload over time to achieve x1.5, x2 and so on. It takes time, it takes practice. The movement is not inherently bad.
@wi11ialvl
4 ай бұрын
The egolift is dangerous. Oberst said professional athletes are not dead lifting, yet they are hang cleaning or power cleaning which requires a dead lift. SMH
@xxFairestxx
4 ай бұрын
No….no. Starting position is different and so is the load. Cleans are sub-maximal. Hence safer.
@wi11ialvl
4 ай бұрын
@@xxFairestxx what kind of mental gymnastics are you trying to perform? You keep believing what you believe.
@xxFairestxx
4 ай бұрын
@@wi11ialvl It’s equal to people who only double overhand deadlift or refuse to use straps. Sub-maximal deadlifting will reduce the possibility of injury. Most benefits attributed to deadlifting aren’t at 600lbs+. Sub-maximal is safer. Like you said, the egolift (and regular maxing) is risky. That’s what Oberst is saying.
@notdescartes4538
4 ай бұрын
@@xxFairestxxso you really think that an exercise like the power clean which has many more moving pieces is safer? And you can also deadlift submaximal weights and deadlift with different techniques
@FK-we1dp
4 ай бұрын
@@xxFairestxx its far more technical and less stable too. Sub maximal? wtf are you talking about? As in...its less weight than a deadlift? no shit.
@kelseylynch7819
4 ай бұрын
THANK YOU, as a PT that works with both competitive barbell athletes but also your average person I cannot tell you how many times I have had to convince patients that deadlifting is not bad for you and is the basic skill of lifting something off the ground. I have used the deadlift to treat most patients I have worked with and sometimes I don't even tell them we are deadlifting until later. If I can't teach people how to pick something up off the ground I shouldn't be allowed to practice in my field. If we don't train our everyday movements, this is how injuries happen.
@jamieganderton
4 ай бұрын
I think you're full of poo. Deadlifts are a hinge movement. IF you are a PT worth anything, you'd know that. It is NOT the most rehabilitating hinge movement. Maybe you should try knowing what you're talking about before commenting and making yourself look stupid?
@adrianoreyes4184
20 күн бұрын
I feel you on this as a fellow clinician. So much damage has been done in people phsych in regards to basic movement patterns.
@republicjim120
4 ай бұрын
I tried the very first deadlift of my life at age 49, with bone spurs and other permanent low back damage from years of roofing, and with fairly severe chronic pain. Many of my friends warned me against deadlifts because of the danger. Nevertheless, I stubbornly ignored their advice. Starting extremely light and focusing on learning decent technique, I (very) slowly progressed. Last July at age 56 I finally exceeded 400 pounds. I felt like I had a little more in the tank, but stopped at 420 to play it safe. There's absolutely no reason for me to get injured on a gym lift when there is nothing at stake except my health. Generally I only test my 1RM once (maybe twice) per year so I can somewhat accurately calculate percentages, and the rest of the time just work at getting in a good volume of quality reps with moderate weight. I never jerk the weight or hitch it up, or drop the bar at lockout. If I can't pick it up in one continuous pull and lower it back down under control, it's too heavy for me to mess with. I'm doing this for health and longevity, not to compete or impress people in the gym. For my personal satisfaction I would really like to hit a 2.5xBW pull before I turn 60, but I'm also not going to do anything stupid chasing that goal. If I never reach that, I'm still happy with the progress I have made with my damaged back. FWIW, I now have less back pain than I've had since my early 30s. I think deadlifts are awesome, and I'm so glad I ignored the naysayers!
@lolwtfbbq111
3 ай бұрын
Beast mode
@Avztyn
4 ай бұрын
The Risk: stupidity The Reward: An absolutely freakish upper back.
@quarterless
4 ай бұрын
Exactly, i personally want the exercise that puts the most stress on the body Deadlift, squat and bench does that. But people have to master these lifts
@andrep2263
4 ай бұрын
@@quarterless Why would you want most stress? Also, using upper back development as a justification for deadlifts is a poor argument to defend the deadlift since there are a ton of exercises that build the upper back better without the cons. I say this as someone who likes deadlifts
@TBaroon
4 ай бұрын
@@andrep2263more intensity , more gains
@wyattmills4000
4 ай бұрын
@@andrep2263repeated stress on the muscles is what causes hypertrophy. It’s just usually referred to as tension instead. The big three lifts accomplish this especially well because of how high u can load them comparably to isolations and the amount of different muscles recruited for each rep.
@andrep2263
4 ай бұрын
@@wyattmills4000 the more muscle mass that an exercise envolves the less high threshold motor units are going to be recruited. This is a nuanced conversation and I do think deadlift can be a good mass builder for the general population but since recruitment is spread throughout the body no single body part is going to get the degree of stimulation as it would with a more stable, targeted exercise for that muscle. Mechanical tensions needs both a involuntary slowing of the contraction velocity and high threshold motor unit recruitment só the deadlift in some cases isn’t the best
@elijahbok
4 ай бұрын
I injured myself doing a crossfit workout (one of the old open wods) which started with 50 reps of deads at 100kg. So I would like to add that your safe work capacity is both mass and volume critical. I injured myself on rep 48 I think. So maybe 30 reps would be "safe". Physio later told me that my lumbar was actually too inflexible to handle the repeated loading and since doing some mobility work on my spine haven't had a problem deadlifting and have since hit 200kg at 78kg bw. Love the deadlift, but its important to be honest with yourself and listen to your body. Cheers
@bastiaanbogers4114
4 ай бұрын
I think that this is a main reason why many strength athletes do not like CrossFit's training techniques. A workout that challenges you to lift an X amount of weight for a very high number of reps, regardless of whether your body is adapted to that volume, is just asking for injuries.
@YouVSMeTV
4 ай бұрын
50 reps at 100kg!? Bro, they wanted you dead. That’s an insane amount of reps for that weight even for an experienced lifter.
@tanveer.516
4 ай бұрын
Yo, a few years back, hit the gym, thought I was a beast, Overhead press, nerve pinched, my swagger ceased. Came home that night, next day couldn’t rise, Stuck in bed, pain made me wise. Month passed by, pain eased up slow, Back to the gym, but it hurt like whoa. Stopped training, shoulder load was too much, 8-10 months, felt outta touch. Decided to check my ego at the door, Started from scratch, baby steps, nothing more. 15-20 minute warm-ups, got me in the zone, Pound by pound, made each weight my own. Guess what, man? Came back strong as hell, Stronger than I believed, with a story to tell. So here’s the deal, buddy, heed my sound, Climb the ladder slow, pound by pound.
@SH-lb1nu
4 ай бұрын
You did crossfit. There is your problem
@YouVSMeTV
4 ай бұрын
@@tanveer.516 Epic poem about the iron.
@Kelth_boi
4 ай бұрын
Im studying to become a physiotherapist here in Denmark, and one of the main movements we prescribe to elderly and weak patients is the deadlift. Its one of the most basic movements involved in everyday life - picking something up off the floor. Being strong in that (and in the squat) is the basis for safe movement, that isnt locomotion. Also Rober Oberst has said multiple times that he himself got severely injured during deadlift events in competitions, Bias is a very real thing.
@cavemanjoe79
4 ай бұрын
Wasn’t there a campy German Christmas commercial a few years ago, where a grandfather is deadlifting kettle bells in order to be able to pick his granddaughter up for the top of the Christmas tree?
@sagebauer1077
4 ай бұрын
Can we also just point out that NFL athletes are hang/power cleaning because they need max power production/speed, and not at all because it's less dangerous than deadlifts? If the NFL was actually concerned about what was the safest for their athletes they would've addressed the concussion issue lol
@LAMEHERC1
4 ай бұрын
pretty sure this is why they arent deadlifting. its not really an explosive movement
@SilverSlugs16
4 ай бұрын
Exactly, this is the most relevant counterpoint. These athletes don’t have unlimited time or energy so they only do what’s most specific to their needs. The deads aren’t dangerous, they’re just not as good a use of their time as cleans. Especially considering the weight room is supplemental and only has so much carryover to the result they’re looking for which is winning games
@tysonelite9561
4 ай бұрын
NFL athlete's are naturally gifted people. It dosent matter what type of lifts they do. They could do the worst program and do well. Normal people should not copy them, because anything works for them. Normal people have to find specific programming and extreme hard work persistence to grow/get better.
@BGeezy4sheezy
4 ай бұрын
I think a lot of NFL players actually do deadlifts, but probably more often with trap bars, and with speed in mind, rather than for maximum weight
@LAMEHERC1
4 ай бұрын
@@tysonelite9561 ehhh they have shit form but theyre doing good lifts and getting strong af. basketball on the other hand is a clown show in the weight room
@gaberedovian5503
4 ай бұрын
Tried to pull 405 off the floor and my house exploded
@NathanielMarkarian
4 ай бұрын
You need a hand putting it back together, brotha?……………..👏👏👏(dad joke)
@lordfaustmessiah
4 ай бұрын
If it's a fact then there should be some easily referenced statistic to support the statement. Lifting weights is an extremely low-risk activity as it stands, so even if "deadlifts are THE most dangerous," in real terms that would still not be enough for me to worry about.
@sagebauer1077
4 ай бұрын
Wait until they see the rate of back injuries of people who DON'T deadlift! Basically every elderly person I know who is sedentary has a fucked up back from lifting a box of paper at their office job, or something. I would bet a lot of money that deadlifting DECREASES your risk of back injury overall.
@kman9884
4 ай бұрын
Bench is demonstrably more dangerous. More people have died from dropping weight on themselves benching, than from deadlifting.
@mgaunersdorfer
4 ай бұрын
@@sagebauer1077 this!🙏🙏
@tanveer.516
4 ай бұрын
Nothing drives home the lesson of progressive overloading quite like the snatch. Fail it a few times, and you start questioning everything. But with deadlifts, most people remain blissfully unaware their body isn't ready for that weight-until it’s too late.
@taunokekkonen5733
4 ай бұрын
How's that?
@espenstoro
4 ай бұрын
You know when I had repeated back injuries and three microdiscectomies over a few years? When I was weak, when I didn't lift. My body wasn't prepared for the stress of every day tasks. Now if you slap on 3 plates after a few months of training and do the cat back deadlift, hanging on your erectors and praying to Sumo Jesus, you're in the same situation. Telling your body to do something it's not ready for. This isn't difficult. It's the same for any movement. There's no shortcut to greatness without building a base.
@garrettbaratheon567
4 ай бұрын
Oof, I’m 5 weeks into 3 herniated discs and sciatica. Trying something called spinal decompression therapy now, praying I won’t need a microdiscectomy but looking more and more likely
@espenstoro
4 ай бұрын
@@garrettbaratheon567 Hey, if it comes to that, it's like flipping a switch, assuming the surgery goes well. It's instant relief, although you'll move like an old man for a little while. Hope it doesn't come to that, though. Best of luck. It's no way to live, hope you get it sorted out soon.
@garrettbaratheon567
4 ай бұрын
@@espenstoro Yeah that’s my understanding as well. Everybody keeps warning me against back surgery tho, as you tend to need more later in life. But from all my research, a microdiscectomy is fairly harmless, simply cutting out the herniated tissue with conservative recovery for up to 6 weeks.
@espenstoro
4 ай бұрын
@@garrettbaratheon567 I'm not gonna recommend it or anything, but it's pretty quick, reasonably safe nowadays, and recovery is quick, 4-6 weeks with no real limitations other than avoid stretching, and don't do anything that hurts. I was squatting and deadlifting 10 days after surgery (no weight and very limited range of motion, but still). Stitches come out after two weeks, and it'll leave a small scar. I did need it 3 times, because I couldn't walk, and pain was 9/10 on a good day. There's also some genetic fuckery with the nerves there, I didn't quite understand it, but the surgeon felt he needed to mention it. Weakness, genetics and bad luck. Oh well.
@garrettbaratheon567
4 ай бұрын
@@espenstoro okay this is good to hear. I’ve maybe seen 10% relief, if any, so far but I’ve only done 3 treatments of this spinal decompression, which is supposed to have 85-90% success rate. They want to do 30 treatments with me but i agreed i won’t go past 10 if its not working, or about another 4 weeks. I’m also setting up a consultation with a neurosurgeon in the background so i can set that up if this doesn’t work. Luckily my pain has only been that high doing awkward movements like getting in/out of my car, or standing up after sitting for long periods of time. I work from home and have created a makeshift standing workstation, luckily no pain doing that.
@Travisty024
4 ай бұрын
I herniated my L4-L5 disk at 23 (work injury). I started my fitness journey this year at 31 to help improve my strength and SAVE my back. I've been cycling the 5/3/1 big but boring program for last few months, so deadlifting every week for around 60 reps. Controlling my form and lifting the weight adequate for me has caused me ZERO issues with my back, I am currently deadlifting just over my body weight for the high effort sets. The deadlift is my favorite lift and I will continue doing it for as long as I can. Now the squat on the other hand causes me back pain whether or not I have good form and I unfortunately had to replace this lift
@JHooray64
4 ай бұрын
How are you getting to 60 reps? I also do 5-3-1. Do you do it twice a week? Would not do that once you get out of your beginner GAINZ stages. I only do front squats now. My long femurs just make squatting such a risky move for me.
@chrismurray5343
4 ай бұрын
Does my head in,the hate on dead lift 😢
@mr_Thursday
4 ай бұрын
@@JHooray64 he is doing 531 Boring But Big. In this protocol you do 531 and then 5x10 back off sets at first set weight (if I'm not wrong at this point), adding 50 reps overall volume. If I remember correctly, there are other protocols. For example, I was doing 3-5 sets of 5 with the second set weight as back off sets and it worked right. For me, 60 reps is way too much volume for deadlifts, given the stress and that I combine with running too, but that's my opinion.
@ExecutionSommaire
4 ай бұрын
Yeah the problem with squat is that you begin with the eccentric and have to reverse the motion at the bottom, likely losing some of your stability if your technique isn't on point. With the deadlift (if done right) you start with maximum bracing and rigidity and if you want to control the eccentric as well it's much easier to re-brace at the top.
@sirairness24
4 ай бұрын
You right bro. Dangerous deadlifts are a lack of coaching... thats it
@unclemoneymoneyuncle8702
4 ай бұрын
I think the most quintessential thing to learn for lifting in general but especially when it comes to deadlifting and squatting is learning to properly brace! I used to have all kinds of low back issues in my earlier years before I learnt about the valsalva maneuver, once I got that down and learned to properly brace it changed everything for the better and I've been good to go ever since! Now, of course you can run into the occasional hamstring strain or what have you, but strains can happen on any lift, and if you give yourself enough recovery time and play it smart by listening to your body's feedback, then you can train injury free! Last year I had a ton of injuries all stemming from too much volume/frequency... I finally started taking more rest days, dialing back the volume... and on days where something feels off or funky I don't push it further and save it for the next training session... then when I come in and feel good that's when I'll push the envelope further!
@cesarcastrojr4903
4 ай бұрын
The top athlete argument is so stupid, The amount of videos of athletes egolifting, having improper form, and doing dumb exercises is crazy, and that's what you want to go off of
@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer
4 ай бұрын
It’s also stupid because top athletes are so genetically gifted that they can afford to train “wrong” and still get better results in spite of that than 99% of your average everyman/everywoman lifter
@viklifts-zk8bl
4 ай бұрын
A lot of people overlook the fact that Oberst says that because deadlifts are his strongman weakness, he's not built for them and doesn't like doing them
@iielysiumx5811
4 ай бұрын
Oberst quite famously rags on and refuses to train things he is personally shit at (which happened to be quite a few things in strongman)
@Jeneric81
4 ай бұрын
His strongman weakness is completing a competition without faking an injury
@viklifts-zk8bl
4 ай бұрын
@@Jeneric81 to be honest these guys are on so much tren and orals that their success depends on who can keep his bicep on his bone the longest
@alan614
4 ай бұрын
You make some great points. We are constantly doing things that resemble deadlifts in every day life and athletes commonly train very similar movements to deadlifts without actually picking a bar up off the ground. The tire flip was a great example of that. It’s a very common exercise that athletes seem to do.
@klalakomacoi
4 ай бұрын
I've tweaked my back from the low bar squat, the meadows row, bulgarian split squat, lunges etc. Never once from a deadlift in decades of lifting.
@Jeneric81
4 ай бұрын
Nothing like heavy steroid users talking about risk/reward
@agnidas5816
4 ай бұрын
and burger+beer users lmfao
@molt3n412
4 ай бұрын
It's more due to energy expenditure and managing fatigue as to why roided up bodybuilders don't always incorporate deadlifts in a program. They will just prefer to do exercises that isolates a specific muscle more.
@molt3n412
4 ай бұрын
Although a deficit deadlift, Romanian or stiff legged deadlift should be incorporated into a program. My hamstrings blew up doing these variations.
@philx20000
4 ай бұрын
A few months after joining the gym I got a fairly serious injury while deadlifting, I felt something click in my hip and decided that wasn't a good enough reason to stop the set so I did another rep and the same thing happened again, this time accompanied by pain as my back muscles started seizing up. I was over 100kg, 6ft man lifting only 90kg when this happened and although I had the raw strength to heave this kind of weight, my technique obviously left a lot to be desired. So this injury set me back considerably and essentially prevented me from attempting any kind of hinging or squatting movement for months and even now, nearly 4 years on it still flairs up now and then. I tell this story because rather than blaming the lift for what happened, I saw it as evidence of how under muscled and immobile I was (a physio would later point out a left to right imbalance in glute development) something that reflected an inactive and unhealthy lifetime until that point. It took many years of going back to basics, hip mobility drills, learning ATG squats (which is the only way I ever squat, front or back), jefferson curls, bracing cues and so on before I tackled that kind of weight again. I've never been particular good at motor function and learning to move my body so it took longer than average perhaps but I'm finally getting there, to where I'm feeling tight and strong squatting and deadlifting without worrying my hip is about to give way again, although occasionally I have to deal with a minor recurrence. Moral of the story is: if you are concerned that performing deadlifts will injure you, you need to git gud!
@rollerr
4 ай бұрын
Sorry but saying a freaking CLEAN is LESS inherently dangerous than a deadlift is just dumb as hell FLINGING a weight into the air and CATCHING it is in no way LESS dangerous than picking something up from the floor
@Jordy-927
4 ай бұрын
The funny thing is; how do you get it off the floor to do a clean if you don’t deadlift it?
@rollerr
4 ай бұрын
@@Jordy-927 Yeah, exactly. I mean, I guess the assumption there is you're using lighter weight- but that's the whole point ZT is making in this video, lol. If I had a time machine I'd go back in time to stop Oberst from saying something this dumb.
@Jordy-927
4 ай бұрын
@@rollerr yup. Agreed. He’s put his foot in his mouth a few times in the past little while to be honest. I can agree that chasing a huge number when you’re a casual gym goer can be a little dangerous. But a sensible deadlift is something everyone should have, just for everyday life. Just like Zack said.
@ziwik3916
4 ай бұрын
well ur always gonna be able to deadlift more than you clean so in terms of first pull strength u should have plenty reserved for the clean. plus, the clean should be viewed more so a technical movement rather than a strength movement, so its really more important to focus on efficient movement than the weight, and efficiency just so happens to be in line with safety
@isaacstetson5720
4 ай бұрын
Love your content Zach hope the music is going well. From your posts it looks like it. Happy for ya!
@georgeberle4909
4 ай бұрын
love the video looking forward to seeing the video about the comments under this video in about 4 years time
@Kyntai
4 ай бұрын
At 52 I started deadlifting. Had previous debilitating back pains. After 1 year, no more back pains.
@dokterkarel
4 ай бұрын
funny thing is that most people who deadlift regulary (with good form) have less back injuries compared to most people I know who never touched a barbell in their life.
@Lefthandman333
4 ай бұрын
Anyone who says walking isn’t dangerous should try walking a marathon every single day for a year.
@dannytymus1652
4 ай бұрын
The funny thing is when people say "he's an elite strongman he deadlift more than you so he right durr" not that weight lifted=experience, but either way oberst sucks at deadlifts. chubby tall guy with short arms, awful build for deadlifts great for benching
@tayloriousmaximus
4 ай бұрын
Even then he rarely impresses at the top level
@alexvisan7622
4 ай бұрын
Of course deadlifting 1000lbs is not healthy, but that doesn't mean that we all do that
@basicmeme1040
4 ай бұрын
@alexvisan7622 he only deadlifts 700 ish. I can probably find a natty under 300lbs who does that conventional
@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer
4 ай бұрын
@@basicmeme1040yes, let’s use the less than .01% genetic freak outliers to make our points about what benefits 99.9% of lifters
@ThePhukst1k
4 ай бұрын
Well put and I would also say experience is not equivalent to expertise. Countless times in my professional life I have come across idiots who use experience to establish credibility, though they can’t find their way out of a cardboard box. Similarly someone who is old is not wise, rather they are more likely to be wise. It’s a correlation causation fallacy.
@UnhumanNewman
4 ай бұрын
As someone who’s struggled with back issues for over two decades, it’s hard to find a doctor that will actually guide you toward recovery instead of “Well, just stop working out”. Makes me wish Squat University was in every major city.
@OMAR-vk9pi
4 ай бұрын
Hopefully not squat u gets so much wrong
@bastiaanbogers4114
4 ай бұрын
Have you tried a sports physiotherapist? Go there and literally ask them to teach you how to move your body efficiently and get stronger. It can help a lot.
@joeberger3441
4 ай бұрын
Squat U gives plenty of good advice but he also sprinkles in loads of BS
@phrsngx5675
4 ай бұрын
Squat University is mostly trash
@batataandshawarmalover
4 ай бұрын
Squat U is the GOAT for videos that allow you to find out where the problem is and fix it. Everyone attacking Squat U is off the premise that he's wrong with regards to healthy people being at higher risk for injury from doing certain movements, such as back flexion with heavy weight. That's a topic for itself, but for his rehab stuff, the guy is an absolute gem. Countless people with problems/nagging pains fixed it through his videos.
@jordyschulz1989
4 ай бұрын
I think a large problem stems from social media. We see freakish strong people everywhere which people can’t help but compare. So people Seriously ego lift even on just working sets.
@gabrielfranco3558
4 ай бұрын
Deadlift helped me with lower back pain, and back squat helped with knee pain. If I did them without proper warmup on th workouts I would get hurt, (as it happened with the back squat), you just gotta learn to train properly. The "top athlete" argument makes no sense to me, who cares if a Tight End doesn't deadlift, this guys spend more time doing sport specific drills and stuff.
@perfectelectricman
4 ай бұрын
I have chronic back pain, discs all over the place, vertebrae moving etc , long story short, I made more progress this year alone more than the past 6 years combined, only because i slowly gently introduced deadlifts with RPE ranging from 5 to 8
@scottlightfoot9765
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the insight. I totally agree with your statements. I’d say most of these negative comments are coming from people whom don’t even lift. I’m 45 years old 5’11 and around 205lbs. I didn’t even start deadlifting until my early 40’s. Deadlift and squats are my favorite two exercises. Proper form, proper warmup and working within your limits, personally I’ve never had a single issue and will continue to do them.
@ItsAlreadyRendered
4 ай бұрын
I agree with you 100%. As an amateur strongman nearly the entirety of my training and competition lifts, besides like a yoke walk, start from the deadlift and some of them even with a rounded back. Atlas stone over bar or to the shoulder? Deadlift Log clean and press? Deadlift Farmers walks? Deadlift Husafell carry? Deadlift. And yet out of all of my friends I have probably the healthiest back. I never wake up with pain and on the rare occasion I feel stiff because of the sheer volume I know how to properly get it limber again.
@QueenToKingOfSpades
4 ай бұрын
Nobody should listen to Oberst. Regarding anything. Ever. He’s out of strongman, and the faster his presence (however small and inconsequential) is erased from strength sports the better.
@LilTreat
4 ай бұрын
Knew a guy who deadlifted once, picked it up too quick, broke his knob in half
@mikemeskel
4 ай бұрын
I heard that if I deadlift, I’ll die instantly.
@lolwtfbbq111
3 ай бұрын
I never lifted until 25 years old cuz i had back pain. Fast forward 10 years later i have zero backpain and i can deadlift 600 pounds at 190 pounds. Deadlifts are hardly dangerous if you aren't a total brute and don't do things properly.
@CeroAshura
4 ай бұрын
All jokes aside, deadlifts do increase your risk of back injury. Trust me, I hurt my back with 135lbs and now the doctors say I will be a pussy forever.
@nova68nova
4 ай бұрын
I always hear guys who are built for squatting saying that deadlifts are dangerous. But if you're not built for squats (giraffe build) you're usually really good at deadlift, and it's a great way to build strength. My deadlift was always about 135% of my squat.
@tanveer.516
4 ай бұрын
Deadlifts morph into a surefire path to injury the second you forget that power must surge from your entire body-legs, glutes, hams, feet, upper back, lower back, and more. Disrupt that balance, and you’re courting disaster, inching closer to injury with every rep.
@bastiaanbogers4114
4 ай бұрын
And on the flip side, constantly hammering this balance into your head greatly helps you use it during the rest of your life.
@joeberger3441
4 ай бұрын
@@bastiaanbogers4114*real conversation in the gym recently* 'bro I literally tweaked my back bending over to pick up my water bottle" "You should've braced!" "Yea I need to engage my core next time" ^ this is problematic. Yes, the deadlift teaches us to brace HARD with our core in order to eliminate weak areas in the system and allow the prime movers to exert their maximum potential force. This is all fine and good for maximal lifts like heavy squats and DLs, but if we rely on that to the point where we can't even pick up a light object from the floor without bracing, that is just pathetic. We can and should train our core not only to brace isometrically but also bend forwards/backwards/sideways and twist. We should also train ourselves to move fluidly with lighter loads without having to stiffen up like a robot. I've seen people brace for leg extensions which is just ridiculous.
@tanveer.516
4 ай бұрын
Nothing drives home the lesson of progressive overloading quite like the snatch. Fail it a few times, and you start questioning everything. But with deadlifts, most people remain blissfully unaware their body isn't ready for that weight-until it’s too late.
@joeberger3441
4 ай бұрын
@@tanveer.516 I agree...even in a 1RM for the clean you can get away with a good bit of fuckery technique wise. But a snatch PR? No chance
@bastiaanbogers4114
4 ай бұрын
@@tanveer.516 Lol, sometimes I'll miss a snatch that I should easily be able to get just because I'm not sharp enough. The snatch has no tolerance for fuckery.
@LarryReynolds591
4 ай бұрын
Great stuff. The existence and popularity of "push-pull" powerlifting meets among older lifters is a testament to the relative safety of the deadlift vis-a-vis the squat. Old guys don't care about ego, they care about their back not hurting. They wouldn't be doing push pull meets (instead of full meets with squat) if the deadlift just magically injured them whenever they went heavy. Good vid. I'm subbed now.
@MotoGinji
3 ай бұрын
The problem is, if you go and Ego lift Squats or Bench, you get humbled immediately. With squats the moment you break the knee's you know (if i go any lower i will shit my pants out and never get back up) so you bail. Bench has the same thing and most of the time you have a spotter. The Deadlift is the only one you can grit your teeth and even if your spine is about to break you can grit your teeth through it. Bench and Squats humble you immediately. Deadlifts humble you afterwards.
@clarity2115
Ай бұрын
Yeah, that's the major probably with deadlifts. I have a friend who's never deadlifted and tries to load up 275... he never trains legs, outside of some leg extensions sometimes, it was UGLY. Butt shoots up, cat back, grinds through the rep, got back pain next day calls DL not worth it
@jmcsquared18
4 ай бұрын
I am so ticked at idiotic gym bros who swear up and down by deadlifts but then put them on their back day and look like a scared cat when they pick up a max weight. People watch that ego lifting nonsense and think the deadlift is a pulling exercise. The deadlift must be treated as pushing exercise: it's a standing leg press with a thoracic extension component. Treating it that way, instead of thinking about my back, actually made my deadlift shoot up to 350lbs, and I have zero low back pain.
@usher812
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video, there is SO MUCH unlearning to do, especially from fitness professionals. Coming from a Pilates background, I have heard Pilates instructors say 'people with x condition shouldn't round their backs or do Pilates'. Unless your spine is infused with a rigid metal bar or you decide to never stand up and sit down again, rounding the back is INEVITABLE and ESSENTIAL for daily living. Same as the deadlift. Unless you're determined to NEVER EVER pick anything up from the floor, you are going to be 'deadlifting'. It's the load, range of motion, the physical preparedness of the individual etc. that matters, NOT the movement itself. I feel crazy when I see these kinds of comments. Heck - look at the number of people who had sprained ankles from walking. Are we going to say walking is too risky and one should avoid walking entirely???
@LeeJCander
4 ай бұрын
Jon Jones & Volkanovski do compounds in a few variations. I would say a heavy squat is more dangerous than a deadlift but, most untrained or under developed lifters can pull heavier than they can squat without developing the technique etc.
@markwelden7393
4 ай бұрын
There are videos of Terence Crawford deadlifting 405 when he was fighting at 135...elite as can be.
@firstdonuts
4 ай бұрын
how do you choose these video game backgrounds? Like why deadspace for the desdlift video lol
@mendoza2489
4 ай бұрын
I threw out my back 2017 doing squats. Never learned basic mechanics, how to brace, how to progressively overload, I was just an idiot threw on some weight and went for it and back was never the same up until March of this year. After staying away from compound lifts and only machines for almost 7 years I decided it was time to get back under the barbell but this time with confidence. I basically followed Stuart mcgills big 3 and learned everything about the back from that guy. It wasn’t until he said you cannot be afraid of the movement that hurt you, you gotta learn how to do it properly because that movement can benefit you greatly. So once again March this year I started a strength training program by Candito Headquarters and I went from not being able to get into a barbell squat position to now being able to squat 150lb working set. I do get tightness still but every week I know my back is getting stronger and I’ve never felt more stable. i know 150lbs is a warm up for most dudes in the gym but going from not being able to get into a squat position to getting under any kind of weight feels great!
@JohnEHawk
4 ай бұрын
I have used deadlifts and squats to treat sciatica for years. It's the best rehab I've found thus far and I've done a lot of rehab...
@StraitjacketFitness
4 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@jesperaxelsen
4 ай бұрын
Hi Zack. I do totally agree on your points. Sadly, last year I had to have a complete hip replacement surgery (age 30, right hip) because of an injury that was caused by inexperience and sumo style deadlift. The deadlift, both regular and sumo, are incredibly technical lifts so please be careful and please operate within your limits. Working hard in the gym to one day be able to do deadlifts again.. miss it so much in my routine.
@strong_slav
4 ай бұрын
The only acute injury I have ever gotten from lifting, was from the bench press. The only chronic issue (tendonitis) I've developed from lifting, was from biceps movements. Deadlifting, on the other hand, has kept my back strong and capable of doing things most of my peers can't.
@mifster83
4 ай бұрын
true thou, dl is a very dangerous exercise, you can say all u want that if you do it right its not, but the problem is that most ppl are not doing it right, especially when theyre pushing for the last reps
@manbeast222none4
3 ай бұрын
I went to see my doctor about a bad back...and I thought it was because of deadlifts...my doctor asked me do I do back barbell squats...I said yes...he said you need to find a different type of squat cause it compresses your spine. He said the deadlifts aren't the problem...it's the back barbell squats. I brought a trap bar and switched to trap bar squats and dumbell Bulgarian squats and man was that a big difference! Back pain went away, and I got more confident going up in weight on deadlifts. Currently up to 350lbs.
@Phobos2085
4 ай бұрын
I will say personalized form is a big factor. I have been lifting for 24 years now with deadlifts and power/hang cleans as my favorite exercises. I've always used the standard cues. Feet under shoulders, toes slightly out, arms just outside of the legs, straight back throughout the lift. However, it wasn't until I watched a full Livestream of a strongman competition that I saw and learned what the phrase "not every body is the same" actually meant. I always thought of the phrase as equal to "some people are better at different lifts" and any variation in form is just happenstance, personal preference, or trying to cheat more weight. However, I to cut to it, after experimenting, I learned that personalizing your form can also be a safety issue. By spreading my feet a foot wider, not sumo, just a wider stance, I have practically eliminated the extreme fatigue I get in my lower back. I was blown away by the night and day difference I felt even when I knew I had really good form. And I honestly did, but it wasn't good for me. I wonder how often injuries occur from people who just aren't taking the time to learn proper form and personalize it to themselves...... Just for context, I was deadlifting 405+ with two previous lower back injuries from deadlifting years (form broke down due to fatigue and now I know because my lower back was taking too much load with the form I was using).
@ryanthelion656
4 ай бұрын
I pulled a back muscle doing high-rep heavy deadlifts (not entirely recommended), then after 2 days, did more deadlifts and got better....the deadlift giveth and it taketh away. It's all about reps and weights. What a shocker!
@dddigler.89
4 ай бұрын
facts. YOU SHOULD BUILD STRENGTH and MOBILITY first, by using weight you CAN handle with proper form. Then, slowly build strength and slowly add more weight, which you should be able to handle IF you have built strength. I used to not do deadlifts because I didnt see a use for them as much and figured my olympic lifts were enough volume. Well now I deadlift a lot on top of goodmornings. My back has never felt stronger and looked better. Plus i’m actually stronger. No more lower back pain. Do your deadlifts but in a smart manner. Don’t ego lift something that can break your back
@conciglio5576
4 ай бұрын
I think a big issue is that Robert Oberst’s best placing ever in his entire career was 8th at the 2018 WSM. He has never been an elite champion despite being one of the biggest competitors, and has suffered greatly trying to catch up with much stronger and stable people. Steroids don’t improve tendon strength (scientifically proven) which leads to significantly greater injury potential for non natural lifters as he has experienced. For people who are natural, not morbidly obese and aren’t trying to set world records, deadlifts are a fantastic and beneficial exercise for the lower back, hamstrings, trapezius, and almost entire body.
@andrewkozemchok6793
4 ай бұрын
He’s essentially a “celebrity strongman”. Somehow got to n a lot of podcast and videos without actually achieving much in his field.
@thomasduffy3318
4 ай бұрын
Driving cars are dangerous… everyone drives.. more people should deadlift
@omdc535
4 ай бұрын
I've been doing DLs for 35+ yrs. I can honestly say that I have not noticed a specific area that it hypertropied. However, I still continue to do them for the practical purpose of being able to pick up an object from the ground. (Currently DL: 315x5x10 w/1min rest between sets & not drop it on the floor....set it down).
@BigO161107
4 ай бұрын
Also, the reason people are saying “deadlifts are way more dangerous than any other exercise” is because they’re right, but they’re phrasing it wrong. What they really mean is “The injuries that can be acquired during a deadlift is more debilitating than injuries acquired from other exercises”. A fucked up shoulder from benching isn’t going to impact your day to day life as much as a herniated disc.
@TheJohnnystockman
4 ай бұрын
Pussies : “deadlifting is dangerous”. Any movement can be straining and cause injury. Form should always be your main focus and as long as you lift with proper form you will be fine. I’m almost 39, pulled 405 x 10 other day Beltless. It felt great. I usually know in my warmup sets how my body feels.
@dn0682
4 ай бұрын
We are designed to grab and lift up with whatever we lift, form is important and also not to overload the bar for ego. It's by for the most effective excersize for involving most of th human body muscles.
@McMeatBag
4 ай бұрын
My form starts falling apart with high RPE lower body barbell lifts, the back squat more than the deadlift. Once I get to RPE 8+, my quads give out, and my knees come back first as my lower back starts taking over to grind the weight back up. So I just regulate the RPE to what I can accomplish while maintaining my form. If I'm doing a program that calls for working up to a top set of RPE 9, I go to 7 instead. It's still a hard set and it's providing stimulus that I can continue to recover from.
@InquisitiveHombre
4 ай бұрын
I started doing Jefferson curls with the intention of getting my back so strong that deadlifts and rdls can’t hurt it
@EliPullHard
4 ай бұрын
MF’s will tell you not to deadlift because it’s bad for your back and then turn around & do crunches..
@alexvisan7622
4 ай бұрын
Lmao, so true
@snorelax3908
4 ай бұрын
I run a clinic with 60+ year old women with osteoporosis doing deadlifts 2x per week. 6 years running, 0 injuries from deadlifts. They don't get injured. So why do you get injured? Injuries are complicated, its not as simple as here is an exercise, here is an injury.
@MellonVegan
4 ай бұрын
Never got hurt from doing a conventional deadlift. Not on deficit or snatch grip or deficit snatch grip variations either. I did get repeated hamstring injuries from squatting, good mornings and sumo deadlifts though. Basically, the conventional deadlift has so little in the way of mobility demands that even when I'm detrained and everything is fucked, I can always do it safely. But stand a little too wide on a couple submaximal squat sets? Yeah, that'll be 2 months of recovery. That aside, it's all about whether people do sth with proper technique or not. There's nothing about a deadlift that should make it inherently more dangerous than most other lower body compound movements. When I first started squatting, I fucked my knees doing it. Couldn't walk without pain after a few months of squatting. Well, I just had shit technique, 100% knee cave. Fixed that after taking some weeks off and never had that issue again. Almost as if it was about using proper technique.
@cursebreaker666
4 ай бұрын
i avoided deadlifts when i first started lifting because of all the fear mongering. then I took the time to learn the movement properly and started with weight that was pretty light, gradually building up my strength. before i started doing deadlifts my hip started bothering me and I had no idea why. After learning and practicing the deadlift, whatever the problem was with my hip disappeared and has never returned.
@gerrylamontagne2214
4 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Zack asked if the “bend and snap” is a deadlift and now I’m questioning everything I ever thought I knew…
@drhjhulsebos
4 ай бұрын
I haven't met another doctor in all my days who thought deadlifts were bad, but I graduated in 2011. The deadlift, when not performed like an idiot, is probably one of the best exercises for your back.
@cavemanjoe79
4 ай бұрын
I always thought there was inherent risk with any exercise, especially if one is going for a max, or over exerting your muscles. If someone was just doing deadlifts with light weight the possibility for injury will probably go down.
@iielysiumx5811
4 ай бұрын
I personally feel the people who insist “don’t deadlift because it’s bad for your back” “don’t squat cause it’s bad for your knees” and “don’t bench because it’s bad for your shoulders” are just lazy people trying to justify their own mediocrity. If you have genuine reasons not to do those movements, like injury or disability then fair enough. If not? Then there is no excuse
@berkertugrul9055
4 ай бұрын
deadlifts are not inherently dangerous but constantly trying to max out on it is. that is the problem imo. people dont try to max out their bench or squat as much as they do for their deadlifts because the weight is not physically right above you so it feels less risky.
@andrewkozemchok6793
4 ай бұрын
Dude is on steroids and has never even won a world class competition, I would expect bitterness from him
@tylerrichlen3286
4 ай бұрын
Deadlifts are a great way to fix your back. Doing deadlifts wrong is a great way to injure your back. Not doing deadlifts at all is a great way to end up like OB and get dead last in every deadlift event he was ever involved in. No nuance needed.
@StraitjacketFitness
4 ай бұрын
Excellent content, as always sir. Salute.
@leonkennedy9739
21 күн бұрын
Hot take, deadlifts aren't more dangerous than other exercises its just one rep maxxing lifts often increases the chance for injury. I deadlifted 455lbs at 17 for a set 11 and 180lbs bw with just a few months training. The reason i did that was i never trained 1rm as a beginner. You need to have your form down, and your body developed to put that strain on you, on top of that people will get over confident with this lift because unlike a benchpress the consequences for attempting the lift seem a lot lower psychologically. The first time i grabbed the bar i knew i had a solid chance to fuck myself up if i didnt priotise form, so the first time i deadlifted i tried a plate found it light and did 225 for 12-16 reps just focused on form and i upped the weight over 2 months without platueing and hitting 455 for 11 reps. If i started 315 for 1-2 reps and maxxed out every lift I doubt I would have progressed as quickly and i am pretty sure i would have injured myself.
@amenn5661
4 ай бұрын
Been really meaning to ask you how is your right knee since the bucket handle tear? I have currently same problem and im wondering
@tartantulakid666
4 ай бұрын
One thing that this discussion is missing is height. Most of the people who are good at deadlifts are 6ft or shorter? Why? Because the barbell height doesn't scale with size. If there was a magic world where plates automatically grew bigger for taller lifters then I don't think we would see this discussion as much. Furthermore, bad leverages are exacerbated if you are taller. A short person can tweak their form for accompanying the deadlift. For tall people, you usually have to go sumo. Every tall advanced lifter i have spoken to are very clear that they think the deadlift is overrated. From my experience, i wholeheartedly agree. I swapped over to RDL and i can train close to my max without getting any issues.
@Happydog114
4 ай бұрын
Conventional, sumo, rack pull, rdl, snatch grip, stiff leg. Use a barbell, dumbells, or a trap bar, whatever...I love it all.
@withindarkness
4 ай бұрын
Inappropriate load or inappropriate volume are the primary factors in every lifts safety...even more than form. You can learn and use bad form safely if load and volume are managed properly...hence deliberately round back deadlifts, including variations entirely focused on spinal flexion/extension. At the correct load, this is as safe as any other properly loaded movement, but you'll be using like 95lbs if your max conventional is 495lb.
@benwilms3942
4 ай бұрын
I think robert o was simply referringto the fact that college football strength coaches see to many accute injuries happening DURING deadlifts, and far fewer during alternatives, like hang cleaning, so they avoid the deads and elect for the cleans.
@iceCol3D
4 ай бұрын
The beauty of a barbell is that you can load weight easily. 135 lbs or 60 kg on a barbell is easy to load 135 lbs or 60 kg in a backpack is far more difficult to load The issue that leads to injuries imo is that people can load a barbell so easily that they can put a load on it that is “dangerous” to them and their training status. To avoid injury a “walk before you run” idea can pay in dividends. Movements aren’t dangerous if you’re prepared. I mean. Running at top speed can be dangerous (pulled hamstring, knee injury, etc.) but if you train properly. Running at top speed isn’t as “dangerous” Labelling a movement as dangerous is reductive. Great video!
@alexvisan7622
4 ай бұрын
Gym newbies will literally start their first deadlift session with 225lbs, get injured and start whining on the internet that "deadlifts are the most dangerous exercise". YOU injured yourself, not the deadlift.
@Grifftrogg
4 ай бұрын
I wrecked my back and dislocated my L3. It was recommended that I got spinal fusion.. It was heavy ass deadlifts that helped me pull my spine back into alignment and avoid the surgery.
@iielysiumx5811
4 ай бұрын
Ideadlifted 215kg @95kg BW for a lifetime PR the other day, never had back issues of any kind after 3 years of deadlifting
@BrennanCh06
4 ай бұрын
"If you do it wrong, you will hurt yourself" = "If you drive a car wrong, you will crash" Smart.
@DaybidLay
4 ай бұрын
usually don't comment but will do so to help engagement. I appreciate all the arguments you've laid out and how you've laid them out. It was a very logical approach and you weren't attacking anyone. Rather, you invited them to think about the situation and the topic is a very rational and approachable way. You have the gift of rhetoric. for the record I am in complete agreement with you. If I, an absolute nobody, could train long enough from absolute novice to deadlifting 500lbs can do it safely, anyone can deadlift safely, within their means.
@MrLuisucho
4 ай бұрын
I'm a physiotherapist and I've gotten rid of herniated disc pains and whatever the hell's other pains with deadlift on patients... IT IS ALWASY THE LOAD MANAGMENT, NOT THE EXCERSICE. These so called sport scientist and so on calling out a tool for a bad construction is irresponsible. It's always load management and see how to progress with the patient/athlete.
@JD-bj6dc
4 ай бұрын
I used to have so much back pain sleeping. Just grabbing a deadlift bar and trying to deadlift 345 was killing me. Fast forward 6 years, my back feels great and I haven't had an injury since walking back the weight and deadlifting correctly. I now do sets of 465 like butter.
@Baum17
4 ай бұрын
A lot of people get overuse injuries from running because they don't spend the time building up their capacity for running. Is anybody arguing that you should never run?
@mario8833
4 ай бұрын
I don't understand how we are debating this. People don't understand that deadlift is literally a way of moving your body and as long as you do that within your capacities (with appropriate volume, intensity and frequency) you'll be fine. To the dude who said "try deadlifting everyday" I'd say, try dumbell curling every single day 4 sets to failure
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