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@chriscangelosi9438
10 ай бұрын
Bad idea 💡 😕 factory 🏭 🤣
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
@@chriscangelosi9438😉
@charizardoreo
10 ай бұрын
No, I bought Last Rebellion instead
@BallinNaoto
10 ай бұрын
I did get Persona 5 Tatica and I love it, persona can do a lot of genres well despite being JRPG games
@toolatetothestory
10 ай бұрын
Sorry, I don't give my money to homophobes/transphobes/misogynists etc
@virgietales
9 ай бұрын
“No one should be dying to the first random enemy in an RPG” *Laughs in SMT Nocturne*
@verqu3450
9 ай бұрын
"Oh, youre softlocked on the first enemy? Too bad, welcome to your cbt session"
@xelldincht4251
3 ай бұрын
I started playing the remaster on normal and finished the tutorial without dying once. Is the PS2 version really that hard?
@johnhanzelyjr
3 ай бұрын
@@xelldincht4251 ALL SMT games are hard, especially when you get 1/3 in, and enemies start resisting / Voiding / and REFLECTING normal physical attacks....which is what you do the most of. You are required to have multiple types of skills and such...or you'll end up in a position where you can't defeat a boss...or a random enemy.
@xelldincht4251
3 ай бұрын
@@johnhanzelyjr Ok, my mistake. I should have asked if the remake had the same difficulty as the PS2 version or if the PS2 version was harder.
@johnhanzelyjr
3 ай бұрын
@@xelldincht4251 The remake has the "Mercy" difficulty included...which lowers the difficulty (but not enemy resistances). You get more XP and Macca....but the trade-off is a greatly reduced encounter rate. I had Riberoma (increase encounter rate until the next new phase)...for two whole cycles...without an encounter. That's how much lower the base encounter rate is in Mercy Difficulty. The Base difficulty is the same as the PS2 version...although there are some QoL stuff...like being able to pick what skills fused demons can have (instead of pure RNG). Honestly...in any SMT game, you CAN get screwed in the first fight. You max HP is only 30-50...and enemies can deal 12-16 damage at that point. How you can get screwed...is if enemies land crits, which increases the number of turn they have...or you miss, which takes away turns. The major issue is...if the Protag dies, it's game over...and in later areas, enemies do have insta-kill skills (which your protag does NOT have base resistance for.) That's why the SMT games are so difficult.
@OverratedGames
10 ай бұрын
Time and Eternity shouldnt be included on these kinds of lists, I agree. It's not awesome, but it's really unique, especially visually. I'd love to see another try at the style!
@lain11644
10 ай бұрын
I recently bought a copy. Really like the art style and the music is amazing.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
It has the lowest metacritic score of any of the games, I had to include it 😆
@n3r0n3
10 ай бұрын
have u finished it? I mean I still have to find anyone who dared finishing it.. it is visually interesting sure but in terms of gameplay is the worst of the bunch hands down... anyway this list I suppose is based on metacritic's results...it's the usual titles everybody says are terrible. Are they really the worse? I don't know... Awaken fate and the other one in the series I can't remember the title are in my op much worse than Neptunia, Cross Edge or Agarest that are all quite ok in reality.
@DaakkuuYRS
10 ай бұрын
@@n3r0n3 beat it once. Kill me I guess? I didn't do other than that though.
@mountainmgtow5421
10 ай бұрын
@@n3r0n3 I finished it and plan on replaying it soon. :) Love the game!
@BongOfDestiny
10 ай бұрын
I have a soft spot for Compile Heart jank because they always put out games that in one way or another really swing for the fences, and I can appreciate a cool idea even when they didn't quite have the ability to execute it. That being said, there's no reason to go back to the first Neptunia now that it's seen two remakes. They're still junk food but it's much more competently presented than the PS3 original.
@mountainmgtow5421
10 ай бұрын
Is the PS5 ReVerse worth my time if I haven't played the first one yet?
@BongOfDestiny
10 ай бұрын
If you think you'd like the art style and general tone of the humor then yeah. The gameplay is serviceable but nothing to write home about, at worst a bit grindy at times@@mountainmgtow5421
@dreamydreams2694
9 ай бұрын
@@mountainmgtow5421 100%, tho there are characters who are exclusive on rebirth
@mountainmgtow5421
9 ай бұрын
@@dreamydreams2694 Don't say Chika Hakozaki. I fucken love her.
@SuspiciousScout
9 ай бұрын
I'm hoping that Compile Heart's quality begins to increase, because it seems the company has undergone a bit of a re-structure internally, like having a new Director/Producer. I thought Neptunia Sisters Vs Sisters was one of the best Nep games in a long time, so I got some faith.
@KinG_VI-13
10 ай бұрын
Damn, they should really try something like Time and Eternity again. Maybe someone will try this style in the future if were lucky.
@mikhailnikolaev9927
10 ай бұрын
Check out Star ocean 2 R, if i got u right.
@CyroLemon
10 ай бұрын
i would love a tales of with this style
@Ajjooo
9 ай бұрын
@@mikhailnikolaev9927 not the pixelated one
@foufoufun
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I really wanted to like this game because of the art style (2D character in 3D third person) but as stated in the video, the combat got repetitive very fast.
@mariokarter13
9 ай бұрын
Shame it has one of the worst scripts I've ever seen in a video game. The "Better Business Bureau" line haunts my nightmares.
@pinballforlife7948
9 ай бұрын
Mans did not play Namco X capcom to be calling the first game a "spiritual prequel"
@DesertRainReads
10 ай бұрын
I think Time & Eternity could do with a remake that keeps the artstyle but overhauls the battle system, mazes and story elements. Not a remaster, but a full-fledged remake.
@Greeny83
10 ай бұрын
Low budget JRPG's tend to have a charm you don't get from the big budget blockbusters. I think that's a big part of why there are so many of them and a lot of people seem to have a fondness for them. Personally I grab one on a sale or something every few years or so just to try something different and I find I usually enjoy them since I go in without any lofty expectations.
@-bold5999
9 ай бұрын
There's a difference between great low-budget jrpgs like Soma Union or Blackout hospital and soulless slop from compile heart or kemco though. Latter is not charming in the slightest.
@Greeny83
9 ай бұрын
@@-bold5999 Right. There has to be some passion behind it because that passion usually shines through whatever jankiness or lack of polish there is. I can spot a Kemco game just by looking at the title logo at this point. Mass produced garbage.
@KirikkSiSq
3 ай бұрын
@@Greeny83 nah, mass produced garbade is mobile and browser shit That is literally 0-2/10 Compile Heart games, at least have memorable characters, so they're way better
@Ghalion666
10 ай бұрын
Good old neptunia. It's a guilty pleasure thing. The games are low effort in so many ways, and they always have a battle system that COULD be good, but is balanced to be quite mindless . It's this weird series where I never seem to want to play it because they aren't good. But whenever I tie myself to a chair and actually do play it, I'm like 'I'm actually kinda enjoying myself'. it's just dumb fun lol.
@greedfreed6970
9 ай бұрын
Record of Agarest War's gameplay system are actually very deep, because in the second section of the game, you need to choose which stats you want to raise and your heroine wisely. because your next MC is your child with that heroine, and your stats will be affected by the stats you've raised and heroine you chose for the the first MC. And their Appearance changed too, so if you choose the bird lady as your wife, you'll have a boy with wings as your MC.
@mariokarter13
9 ай бұрын
Time and Eternity is probably the tackiest game I've ever played. Nearly every creative choice makes the game viscerally unappealing to experience. And yet it's a functional video game, and not a completely broken mess. It's like dating a girl covered in the worst tattoos and piercings you've ever seen, but she has a steady job at the Better Business Bureau.
@cracktae4421
10 ай бұрын
14:17 "when you die on the first random ecounter in the game thats a bad design" SMT3 enter the chat
@Sad-Lesbian
8 күн бұрын
"No one should be dying on the first random encounter in an rpg" SMT Nocturne in the corner, hoping no one sees it
@FunkbusterG
8 ай бұрын
In the walking sections of Time and Eternity, the placement of the character in the frame really bugs me. Like, something, something, rule of thirds, she needs a bit more clearance above her head.
@aerrae5608
10 ай бұрын
Neptunia came in clutch when there were less JRPGs on PC but... Yeah, they're very repetitive, recycle assets constantly and eventually even the characters and humor can't get you through another one.
@Magnet_Chaos
9 ай бұрын
Compile Heart/Idea Factory has 3 types games. 1. Absolute crap. 2. Surprisingly decent. 3. Bad game but it checks enough of your favorite tropes and fetishes that you give it a pass.
@misakikoko4500
10 ай бұрын
The combat systems for Record of Agarest War Zero and Crossedge are very deep. You won't have access to the best spells/attacks/combos until you get deep into the games, have party members with synergy and gear with the slots to place the spells/attacks into. The character creator in RoAW:Zero determines everything from the weapon type, stats, movement range, ability points and the elements determine the skill slots he starts with. Crossedge has by far the hardest and most in-depth path to reach the "True End". There are so many factors ranging from viewing events in a limited time, winning battle in a certin amount of turns and not damaging certain enemies. I liked the game, but the scanning for events was annoying, even when you max out the range of the scanner. RoAW and RoAw:Zero were my favorite PS3 JRPGs. They are hard to get into though, they have a very high skill requirement. They get better/easier the more you play and the more playthroughs completed, when you can carry over resources, spells, abilities and gear.
@cy4n_knight_q8
9 ай бұрын
I'm actually suprised Neptunia was on this list. Thought it was always a popular jrpg
@Castian77
10 ай бұрын
1/ Loved Cross Edge since I played after Namco X Capcom, but it was rough yes. 2/ Record of agarest war was a guilty pleasure, but it is bad, honestly it is. 3/ I played Neptunia mk2 first and I liked it, so I was honor-bound to play the original, not great, but, funny. 4/ Never played Last Rebellion, never will. 5/ Yeah, Time and Eternity is actually fine, but on my Ps3 it was.. lagged? sluggish? it was frustrating to lose hp or mis a dodge not on timing but on a massive fps drop, but the idea was really good as you say :D I have the Platinum for all those games, that much I liked them honestly.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Wow a platinum for all of them? That’s dedication!
@Castian77
10 ай бұрын
@@TheGamingShelf Neptunia is a breeze, just the shares thingy is a mess. Cross Edge definitely with a step by step guide. Record of agarest war i kinda cheated with PP dlcs, becauee the endgane bosses are quite something. Time and eternity is quite a breeze, it reminded me of Thousand Arms in a wat and I enjoyed it.
@AoRyusei
10 ай бұрын
it would be unfair to call Cross Edge a "Spiritual Prequel" (being from 2008/2009) to Project X Zone when Namco X Capcom (2005) on the PS2 is its actual and canon prequel to PxZ.
@mramisuzuki6962
9 ай бұрын
NXC was actually pretty good too.
@akou12
10 ай бұрын
Dude...not saving on Neptunia for hours is your own damn fault. Not the games. If you really were into jrpgs...you'd know saving often was a given. That was sad to witness.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
True, but I didn’t expect the game to freeze either lol
@BlueEyedVibeChecker
10 ай бұрын
The RPG that taught me to save regularly was Skyrim on Xbox 360 and PS3. Not because I died a lot, or much at all. But because they kept freezing the entire system. Every time the PS3 version dropped into seconds per frame, I prayed so hard that it wouldn't crash again lmao. Now I save religiously in games like this.
@Kawaiilolrofl
9 ай бұрын
Are you kidding me? The entire neptunia series is a hidden gem and I loved it.
@vidyastuff3509
10 ай бұрын
Cross Edge and Agarest War do not deserve to be on this list. I will say the OG Neptunia does though.
@akojulius3777
9 ай бұрын
Nowadays these s..ts can't appreciate video games like we used too 20-25 years ago. You don't deserve to play these "bad" games only those cash grab money indie RPGs from Steam. Then you you will learn to appreciate even a modest game. These will become masterpieces in you eye.
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
I've been playing JRPGs for 30 years. I remember playing Persona when no one cared about it and now it's a practically a household name. These games are NOT good. They're the lowest reviewed JRPGs on the console for a reason. I've just played so many JRPGs that I have no tolerance for crap like this. Although Time and Eternity is pretty decent.
@akojulius3777
9 ай бұрын
@@TheGamingShelf Agarest and Neptunia series are awesome too in my opinion. How many kids nowadays do you think will still play Final Fantasy 1-3 and Dragon Quest 1-4 on the NES for example? They are simple, not flashy, no modern graphics, etc. Give a try to Bloody Warriors: Shan-Go no Gyakushuu. The game is translated. That's one boring JRPG. Imagine you play you favorite JRPG without a single spell or tech/special attacks. One good think about the game is the music which is repetitive but you can always take a pause from the game if it's too much for you ears. Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Pool of Radiance for the NES has the most misleading map in the entire history of videogames. This thing alone makes the game very frustrating to play and even with a map/guide it's still hard to understand/decipher where you are. And there are some other boring or simple JRPG where you can risk falling asleep on your keyboard playing them. After playing Bloody Warriors: Shan-Go no Gyakushuu every JRPG has become a masterpiece for me. Plus someone put their hearts, sweat and mind into these games even Bloody Warriors (at least is a finished product compared to Pool of Radiance) so i still appreciate their work as long as the games are playable/finished products without bugs/glitches. My first games where Tetris and Circus as a kid. We appreciated more video games back then and every new game was a new treasure. Even Spider-Man: Return of the Sinister Six for the NES was a good game back then and i still like the game. (the nostalgia factor doesn't work on me same as seduction. I only had this powerful emotion only once when i saw Castlevania: Circle of the Moon after many years.) Imagine if you had an idea and make a game and you see on youtube your game in the section DON'T BUY THESE JRPGS!. What you will fell like? Maybe your ideas failed or the game isn't recognized by many as a good game until later. The only games which i can't stand are the COD and similar games (games that ruined mechanics like Halo with weapon limits, regeneration. First Halo was boring af with long walking like you where in an ARPG but nothing else, just boring walking. After more than 15 years and i still remember how bored i was playing Halo: "Combat Evolved" or more like "Walking Evolved") where the consumer is at fault not the developer. I stopped playing after Modern Warfare 3. The same sh.t over and over again from point A to point B and i was F bored. No exploration, nothing fascinating... only war, mindless shooting/war for the zombie masses. I replayed Mafia after 15 years and i was bored plus the game had the jazz music radio stations removed due to copyright reasons (Django, Lonnie, etc). I downloaded the music fix and put it into game. Everything changed. It's incredible how much a music can change a boring car simulator game with some shooting sections from time to time. I couldn't wait to finish my objective to get back into the car to listen to Belleville by Django Reinhardt. At least this is how i see the Mafia series: car simulator, cutscenes and shooting from time to time with amazing jazz music. At least JRPG (and not only in this genre) developers are coming with new ideas/mechanics. They like to experience with new things... creativity. You start judging a game from heart (developer) to heart (consumer) not only from pocket (brainwashed/fanatics) to pocket (EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Bethesda, etc). Japanese publishers/developers are more serious when it comes to videogames compared to the american ones who are destroying franchises one after another. (Heroes of Might and Magic, Dead Space 3, Duke Nukem... Forever?, Duel Masters, etc.)
@mcburn344
9 ай бұрын
Hyperdimension neptunia isn't bad
@1Hol1Tiger
5 ай бұрын
The first one was horrendous
@sirdarkon4517
4 ай бұрын
the first one is bad
@daisukegori2112
3 ай бұрын
You played that trash Horizon game. Why should I trust you.
@feliciavale4279
3 ай бұрын
The remakes aren't bad, but the first one was hot garbage. I got it when it came out and couldn't even finish it. Neptune gets this super attack about 10 hours in that just one shots everything. Even the remakes are kinda boring, but at least they fix the combat system.
@rockheartqueen
9 ай бұрын
These games look interesting, I'm going to play them
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
Don’t say I didn’t warn you 😆
@whatwhatthe
10 ай бұрын
hyperdimension neptunia the original is how i got into the series I had a lot of fun playing it there were some pretty funny joke/reference in it that were not in rebirth 1 that made me sad its the Pokémon one if anyone fully played the original, if not here it is we get stuck inside a disk and compa says I wonder if Mr. heretic would ever throw the disk at someone and say i choose you compiffytune, and since all the characters are named after companies that help in someway making the game so they may not show up in later games like nisa
@MrScottyTay
9 ай бұрын
I enjoyed the little time I had with Hyperdimension Neptunia on the Vita, but that was a remake and that original PS3 version looks SO FUCKING ROUGH. Sadly the dungeon design doesn't get better, and will eventually bore you and make you just want to move on.
@Mikhailnoise
9 ай бұрын
The irony of Tactica being the sponsor... woof is that game dull.
@ben_sisko2149
10 ай бұрын
Fun fact: did you Morrigan from Darkstalkers has appeared in more fan made p*rn by herself than there are stars in the sky?
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
🤣
@MozillaVulpix
9 ай бұрын
I swear I heard Wendee Lee twice in this video alone
@michaelwahl7810
Ай бұрын
Last Rebellion was terrible. You struggle with enemies until you hit a certain level. Once you hit that level they are laughably easy. Also when you hit that point you basically get no exp. I got it for $15 and was never more happy for Gamestop's 7 day returns on used games.
@mikan7908
9 ай бұрын
It's baffling that you didn't include Drakengard 3 in this list, considering the game is a downgrade from Drakengard 1 & 2 in every aspect while being legitimately unplayable on real PS3 hardware due to poor optimization of Unreal Engine 3.
@Four20sbud
9 ай бұрын
Idea Factorys strength is within its Otome games tbh. Theyre not amazing at regular games but the Visual Novels are usually really good
@My1xT
10 ай бұрын
The one saving grace of original nep is that it's the only game of the main style games they didn't take soundtracks dungeons etc from so it can feel new rather the things being recycled for like a decade by now
@0boro
9 ай бұрын
How the heck is Neptunia worse than Cross Edge?
@SkydreamsArts
10 ай бұрын
I expected Toki and Towa to be a lesbian couple when the game was first teased, and was so disappointed when it turned out they weren't that I never bothered to play the game. Maybe I should go back and change that, now that I've had a decade to let my disappointment fade.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Would have made for a better game 😂
@Bigparr43
10 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, i kinda liked Hyperdimension Neptunia it was so stupid it was funny, the whole thing was just a silly fan service RPG
@TheRavenShadowsWolf
9 ай бұрын
Yes I did know that about Darkstalkers. Mostly because the company developing the game had no faith that the games would sell well enough to be worth making if they put out a fourth. Since the third did not reportedly do all that well. However the characters are generally beloved, so Morrigan (who is the face of the series) has made many crossovers. So have I believe the wolf character and the cat lady both of whose names escape me at the moment. You'll forgive me if I don't trust your assertion that P5Tactics will automatically be good since they've paid you. However, I did not like that Strikers denied any romance the original game built, and if Tactics continues that trend I'll like it even less. I'd also say that with the Thieves reliance of stealth mechanics (if that's remotely implemented) it could be a rather more complicated first dive into a "tactical" RPG. Which frankly, I would argue the use of that word in any RPG that cares to use it. Any. One. There are never that many viable Tactics. Most of what is there is still not tactical. It's restrictive in order to make it SEEM tactical. There's a difference.
@IllusionistsBane
10 ай бұрын
Idea Factory and Compile Heart. Now I feel nervous for Touhou Spell Carnival. Yes, that's even after Compile Heart said they're collabing with Sting for this one.
@baixiaolang
9 ай бұрын
I was about to fight you over Hyperdimension Neptunia until i remembered that i too disliked the original ps3 release and it was hyperdimension neptunia rebirth on Vita that i loved/was legitimately great.
@ledpryr
9 ай бұрын
The Pyra/Mythra argument is invalid. The original blond/redhead duo inhabiting the same body with either kindness and chaos as their character traits belongs to Elena and Millenia from Grandia II. The difference I suppose is the kind one is blond and the chaotic one is the redhead.
@TotallyTubularJonathan
10 ай бұрын
I love the neptunia games and I’m not afraid to admit it. HOWEVER I love the remakes they did for the original trilogy the original ps3 versions major suck.
@DLH112
10 ай бұрын
only the first game really. mk2 and especially victory play just like the rebirth games.
@foufoufun
9 ай бұрын
Who thought it was a good idea to have consumables be used at random?
@grthjryrd7552
9 ай бұрын
@@foufoufun?
@foufoufun
9 ай бұрын
@@grthjryrd7552 You cannot simply use a health item during battle. There is a 50% to use one that heals for 50% HP when under 50% of your max health. You can upgrade it as you progress in the game but you often end up wiping because there is nothing you can do about the dumb RNG. Soo, if you want to play the first game, get the Rebirth 1 and stay away from the original. It is a very painful game.
@grthjryrd7552
9 ай бұрын
@@foufoufun I've played the rebirth games years ago
@sonny167349
10 ай бұрын
Compile Hearts games tend to recycle their battlesystems a lot, but Agarest Zero is a game I'm very fond of, it has the best version of this particular battlesystem imo, story was very average but there was a charm to the characters. Going for overkills on every boss can be a fun challenge to do. I wouldn't say it's super hard for newcomers, but if the player doesn't wanna take a little time to learn, then they will also have a hard time.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Yeah the combat is solid! To bad the rest of the game isn’t lol.
@sannice
10 ай бұрын
Agarest has unique battle system. It is quite interesting even though im not rly gd at it
@donisehatsitanggang4389
10 ай бұрын
I actually like most of the these game that he mentioned,there actually more worst jrpg game out there
@sannice
10 ай бұрын
@@donisehatsitanggang4389 any example you can give for the one you think is worst?
@AshAsmodeus
10 ай бұрын
@@sannice Try a game like Eternal Saga.... I've played most, if not all, RPG's on the PS2/PS3 and of all of them I think the ones listed here weren't half bad over a RPG where you can literally encounter 100's of enemies in the same random encounter (making those encounters take HOURS) only to go level DOWN, break your gear PERMANENTLY and all of it because the leveling system is heavily tied to RNG with battle and field mechanics that are never explained, not even in the manual... how's that for a bad RPG ?
@damiandrabinski3089
10 ай бұрын
Funny enough I'm actually playing the remake for Neptunia right now. Rebirth is a huge improvment over the original.
@sonny167349
10 ай бұрын
It's a fun game to play through, the fanservice gets a bit obnoxius after awhile but the series itself has a certain charm to it.
@JeannieLove
10 ай бұрын
@@sonny167349 I love fanservice so it's not an issue
@n3r0n3
10 ай бұрын
I played it on vita and I also have the remake but the color contrast is kinda annoying there... in my op Neptunia VII stays the best in the series. That game is just brilliant in its refusal to make sense I truly love it... beats disgaea by a landslide... which is no easy task let's be honest as Disgaea is also over the top dada ;)
@n3r0n3
10 ай бұрын
@@sonny167349 it's satire tho.. I mean the fan service is unnecessary and that is precisely why it makes u laugh... it is not a game that takes sex seriously but laughs at the tropes. This said I never had problems with fan service in my life honestly, once you make clear the game is not for kids...
@damiandrabinski3089
10 ай бұрын
@@n3r0n3 I'm using steam version with some graphics mods to improve the quality, I would like if the game had bit less dialogue overall and put like 2-3 cutscenes over some scenes. Anyway I think the remake is actually fun, also disgaea up to 5th release is in my opinion really great last two realeses were fun as well, but the 3d graphics don't give the same feeling.
@DaakkuuYRS
10 ай бұрын
I really had fun with Time and Eternity. Yes, it is not perfect, but on a sale it is a fun experience. About the switching mechanic- its main point it for the affinity system. You see, as bosses gives way more affinity, the point is to do bosses with the girl who you want to marry. I wanted to marry Toki, so I did bosses exclusively with her.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Oh interesting! I didn’t think of that.
@FalcusDead
9 ай бұрын
I actually really liked Time and Eternity and I remember back when it released everyone I knew asking why I was playing it because they heard it was bad. I feel like I was one of the few people who played on launch after not buying into hype and went in with zero expectation because I liked the artstyle and it worked out for me. I very rarely get hyped for games though so that most likely played into it.
@QurenTheShield
9 ай бұрын
@@FalcusDead Same. A lot of people didn't like it but once you look past the flaws, it's honestly a pretty okay game.
@Chiori0352
2 ай бұрын
I have fond memories of time and eternity actually finished it and enjoyed my time with it.
@wertyjomane_psn9192
10 ай бұрын
I like the concept of the Agarest War with the whole "The story goes through generations from your main character" Cross Edge is my favorite, sure the whole battle system could use some work and I completely agree that the scanning to progress the story is horrendous, but the actual interactions with the cutscenes were hilarious and kept me playing, including the post game interactions with the former boss characters now that they don't have to play as bosses. Also the intermission being gags like in the disgaea games was a plus for me.
@someguy1ification
9 ай бұрын
yeah, Cross Edge is not user friendly at all and that learning curve is steep. the combo system isn't explained well (though it works great once you figure out its quirks), the area scanning is painful (you have to go back to WHERE to recruit Lilith?!), and especially item crafting needs a guide to use... but I loved it anyway. It all sort of comes together and works when you get into it. and yes, the story actually comes together too. they made a good version of what is usually the worst way to end a story in the world. "It was all a dream..." is terrible. "You are trapped in a dream and have to break out" is great.
@hngdman
10 ай бұрын
20:04 And the whole Blade and Driver thing from XC2 is also suspiciously similar to the Furies and Fencers from Fairy Fencer F. Turns out Monolith Soft has been ripping off the creative geniuses at Compile Heart and Imageepoch all along.
@S_Hyde
10 ай бұрын
I had some fun with Time and Eternity, despite it's many many many many flaws and...oddities. Neptunia too, though I only got into it with the PS Vita versions, it seems compa has gotten better with their newer games like Death End Request and Fairy Fencer, but I've yet to check those out.
@autobotstarscream765
10 ай бұрын
From what I hear, the PS3 version is broken and the Vita version is a full-on remake that fixes a lot of the problems and is considered the definitive version.
@probablychuuni
10 ай бұрын
I've played all of them, unfortunately, and the only one I managed to finish was Neptunia. However, I'm a huge Noire simp, so that got me through the game. As for how IF and CH are still alive, some of the Neptunia games are actually good. The remakes of Neptunia 1-3 are playable junk food rpgs, and the some of the action games like 4 Goddesses online and the Senran Kagura crossover were quite fun.
@Rezuvious
9 ай бұрын
Neptunia is just really popular in general.
@kyler247
9 ай бұрын
Not junk food, just junk
@xAxQuickstrike
10 ай бұрын
>No one should be dying to the 1st random encounter in a game SMT Nocturne on hard difficulty would like a word with you on that.
@cdm966
10 ай бұрын
I think saying that Compile Heart and Idea Factory make nothing but bad games is kind of a diminishing way of looking at them. They obviously work on a low budget and a lot of their games feel kinda middling, but they don't make "nothing but bad games"; hell sometimes I feel like they're the only dev willing to try anything different, because on such a low budget what do you have to lose? Death end re:Quest is a legit hidden gem as far as I'm concerned, no doubt due to the writing of Makoto Kedouin who wrote the *good* Corpse Party entries, and Mary Skelter is full of interesting mechanics and ideas, and makes for a fun little dungeon crawler. You really don't get too many weird experimental titles like that anymore, which just makes me appreciate them all the more when they do make something genuinely interesting.
@uppernimbus
10 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I kind of wanna play some of these games, including Neptunia and Time & Eternity. Loved the video, Taylor.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Thanks! Play at your own risk 😉
@JeffreyPiatt
10 ай бұрын
Only play Neptunia at Rebirth or Reverse levels the remakes all use Victory's engine and Battle system and replace the recycled art from other CH rpg games and update the score so the music is less recycled.
@newmoonshadow3038
10 ай бұрын
There's a reason they straight up remade "Hyperdimension Neptunia" with an entirely different game engine and combat system for the PS Vita called "Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth", and then based its sequels and the PC versions on that, which is probably the version most people today know. The original PS3 version is a relic that nobody knows and really isn't worth the time compared to its far better remake. Also yes, "Time and Eternity" is SO underrated. I loved that game when I played it back in the day.
@GameAW1
10 ай бұрын
Should be mentioned to the actual first game's credit that they might as well not have had a budget at all with how little they were actually given. Props to the devs for making due with what they had and managing to pull off getting a sequel okayed that turned into a full-blown mascot franchise.
@mountainmgtow5421
10 ай бұрын
I really don't know why reviewers were so hard on Time & Eternity. Like, they absolutely dog-piled on it to destroy it! I never understood that.
@demariogoss9732
10 ай бұрын
It wasn't a new engine. It was one they recycled from the 3rd Neptunia game. Honestly, the 3rd Neptunia game is the best in the franchise. Just the fact that they are still using the same system to this day since that game came out shows how good that game was for the franchise.
@Shadowespeon17
10 ай бұрын
They remade them simply to relicence them to Idea Factory International. If they didn't fall out with NIS and NIS America, they wouldn't exist and they would have just moved straight on with the next game.
@GameAW1
10 ай бұрын
@@Shadowespeon17 Not entirely true, though that was part of it. The franchise was the one Idea Factory IP that actually took off somewhat, and then further with the second game and even much more with the third. They had something that put their name on the map but with their falling out with NIS, coupled with how terribad the first game was, they had plenty of incentive to remake them and do them right this time.
@Ace56723
9 ай бұрын
Nah, love me some Neptunia lol
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
You do you 🙂
@claudiopolonia7854
7 ай бұрын
“nobody should have to die against the first enemy in a rpg” One more God rejected
@TitaRussellTrails
10 ай бұрын
Time and eternity is one of those games that's good but at the same time I'm glad it exists because if nothing else it could act as the groundwork for a much better game in the future.
@mariokarter13
9 ай бұрын
It's like that game Scott Cawthon made that was so bad it inspired him to make FNAF.
@theozziepotato
10 ай бұрын
i have thought about a game looking like time and eternity, and i can't believe nobody has tried this style again. it doesn't look perfect, but with a bigger budget and graphics of today it would look awesome.
@janusan89
10 ай бұрын
Damn, I feel nostalgic with Neptunia. Sure it wasn't great but I really enjoyed its quirkiness and the satire. Definitely felt more lighthearted than the sequel and its Conquest ending! Last Rebellion honestly had an interesting combat system that...kinda screws up on making it too random. On the other hand, if you do it right you can practically overlevel and beat the game in no time - which is already short anyway. Also I hated how I was forced to constantly seal the enemies after they died...also the plot kinda sucked so meh. And Time and Eternity...urgh, great concept, really bad execution, and EXTREMELY cringy dialogue that often ruin the moment. Combat is also easy to break with magic but I remember really getting bored and just not liking how it felt. That's too bad because I even tried to go for the true ending (which requires a second playthrough), and it was so underwhelming...yeah that's the best word I can describe this game: underwhelming.
@warweeny5127
10 ай бұрын
"and that is all the game offers: cutscene > battle > upgrade" So, like ANY jrpg?.
@Heriarka
9 ай бұрын
... exploration and dialogue is also usually a thing, yeah?
@thatnerdykid1
9 ай бұрын
i liked time and eternity
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
Same! It was way better than I remember.
@valentinemiller8680
9 ай бұрын
I honestly don't think Time and Eternity ever deserved a low score. There are definitely issues, but most of the reviews I see online complain about things that even good games have (mostly palette swapping and reusing sprites). I don't know why they got so butthurt about it for Time and Eternity but with other JRPGs they didn't care. I love the game and it has a lot of charm. Most of the critical reviews are just completely unfair on it compared to other JRPGs
@TreasureHunterLocke
9 ай бұрын
You're nuts. I mean you're entitled to that opinion but I heavily disagree with this list. Time and Eternity is an incredible game. It's a super unique style you just don't see anymore. I recommend anyone who has the chance to try it to do so.
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
I didn’t make the list, I just played the 5 lowest rated ps3 JRPGs.
@LowTier4Life
10 ай бұрын
At least Neptunia got a LOT better as the games went on. Mk2 is a huge step up from the first game, Victory refines what Mk2 did and that battle system was in my opinion perfected in V2. Now if only we could get another mainline game instead of remakes and spinoffs :/
@JeffreyPiatt
10 ай бұрын
the universe demands more Plutia.
@mountainmgtow5421
10 ай бұрын
@@JeffreyPiattMore NepGear!
@JeffreyPiatt
10 ай бұрын
@@mountainmgtow5421 at least Xbox is getting some hot Sister on Sister action as decreed by it's CPU Vert.
@vulpixsmi
10 ай бұрын
Funnily enough Compile Heart recently said they're working on a 5th Mainline Neptunia currently
@ThundagaT2
10 ай бұрын
I think VIIR's version of the battle system is better
@101slickbilly
9 ай бұрын
So i have a huge problem with this list. One alot of the score are different between critics and users. Where the user is mostly higher that the critics.Another is that the size of how many people ranked it. Where i appreciate your video and your point of view. I feel that some of these games look interesting and that games are mostly subjective. I have notice is the couple of reviews that you have done that i have watched. When you describe something as boring you hardly say why. What makes the parts in the game boring. Just so you know i just found your channel today but i appreciate the quality of your videos.
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
User scores are unreliable IMO. They’ll give a solid game all 0s for no reason. Thanks for the feedback on the boring bits though! I’ll strive to do a better job explaining my thoughts.
@101slickbilly
9 ай бұрын
True about the user scores. You got a new subscriber. That is why I watch channels like yours to see game play and your point of view on games. Thank you for the work you put in to the videos . I will definitely send my friends to your channel.
@KirikkSiSq
3 ай бұрын
@@TheGamingShelf also it is... kinda wrong that 5 is considered bad and not mediocre Yeah, that is the most correct word to say about these games They're not bad, they simply don't have much that makes them stand out
@briangaming21
9 ай бұрын
"When you die in the first encounter thats bad design" Ummmmm excuse me ill have you know SMT nocturne has done nothing wrong and is perfect
@EvgenMakein
9 ай бұрын
But some of them awesome...
@r.a.fgattaiguy845
5 ай бұрын
I bought Tactica for cheap and realized it´s basically a sequel to Persona 5, so I´m now 50 hours into that just so I can finish and play Tactica funny how things work
@Scuzoid_Melee
10 ай бұрын
Shining Force was supposedly going to get a reboot with a genshin style game (Gacha+Multiplat) that had combat animations that looked a lot like T&E with their cartoony cell shading. Then the studio fell apart, I think.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Bummer, that sounds cool!
@Stavekoff
10 ай бұрын
good, I'd rather have nothing than a fucking gacha
@Scuzoid_Melee
10 ай бұрын
@@Stavekoff I suppose I begrudgingly agree. I tried Marvel Puzzle quest for a couple of months at the beginning of the pandemic and while I did like the game, I grew increasingly annoyed with how the game wanted me to play it at certain times on THEIR schedule rather when I wanted to play. That said if you get the chance to check out the 3 minute or so long trailer they did for the Shining Force gacha game, the animation WAS very good.
@mkohanek
10 ай бұрын
I can't help but notice the game he promoted, Persona 5 Tactica, has a lot of the same issues he calls out in these games lmao, at least one from each entry. Cross Edge for doing the generic anime portraits for dialogue scenes. Check. Record of Agarest for having skip dialogue which fast forwards through the scene instead of just skipping it. P5 Tactica does that, yep. Neptunia for having a solid battle system and nothing else, and being little more than cutscenes and battles. Pretty much, though you could argue that is expected for tactics games. Last Rebelllion for having battles where every single fight you use the same mechanic to win. This is P5 Tactica's biggest offence, it is the one more / all in loop ad nauseum for each battle. Time and Eternity for having dialogue choices where your choice has no impact at all. Quite clear, if you look for it you will notice how they write the choices and responses in Tactica so that it does not matter which you choose. Time and Eternity for the game being way too easy. I beat every map in Tactica with 3 stars on the highest difficulty, only had to restart two maps. The fights have turn limits to get 3 stars, and I never even came close to missing it. BY the end, with no grinding at all, I had 300+ health with enemies doing 20-40 damage. Yikes
@kiiroendings2542
10 ай бұрын
Great job on the video. I know most of those games are not great but it did feel like you spent so little time on each. Just would have been nice to try and at least understand the nuances of the games mechanics to try and explain to us why it's bad and not just being like I'm dying alot and I don't know why. Still appreciate seeing stuff about obscure games like this.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Fair feedback! For the next episode in this series I’ll make an effort to better explain my thoughts.
@عبدالرحمنالفيفي-ظ8غ
10 ай бұрын
some are not bad , i disgree with u
@animesoul479
10 ай бұрын
Agarest Ware Zero is probably my favorite of the games. It wasn't anywhere near as long as the first, nor was there that sudden difficulty spike like the first one had as well. Cross Edge was just my guilty pleasure as I loved it crossing over with some of my favorite rpg series
@feeamerie5011
10 ай бұрын
Ngl I always enjoyed the Agarest Trilogy, though zero - the prequel- is the worst of the three. I’d have put Trinity:Souls of Zilol(?) on here. What a shite action rpg. I can’t even.
@arkeshn729
10 ай бұрын
That game was horrible. But my biggest PS3 disappointment was White Knight Chronicles.
@Narigane
10 ай бұрын
to be fair, "original" hyperdimension neptunia is like failed attempt of a good concept. even the fans hated this one but rebirth fixed that. rebirth is basically a remake. based on the 3rd installment style. Just pretend the original never existed and you are fine
@LelouchRika
10 ай бұрын
I bought my ps3 for Cross Edge and I didn't regret it. I remember nothing of the story but the battle system was really fun and it's nice to see a crossover with all those niche characters.
@SOMEGUY7893
10 ай бұрын
Yeah I had a lot of fun with it too though I was a teenager at the time nowadays I'd say that overall the game is kinda mediocre like it's metacritic rating shows but I think it's battle system is really fun if you get how it works. The only thing I think is exceedingly bad about it is it's utterly inane requirements to get the true ending like the game just expects you to know to leave certain enemy characters alive in certain battles and defeat certain bosses when they normally would retreat with absolutely no hints in the story that doing so would actually do anything or to even attempt to do so in the first place.
@NeoConker626
10 ай бұрын
I'm actually happy I stumbled on this video. I recently unpacked and found my copy of Project Xzone 2, and vaguely remembered a divisive console game that was similar but I couldn't recall what. Like the only thing that came to mind was Namco x Capcom. Cross Edge completely slipped my memory.
@danielpalwisegamer
10 ай бұрын
does the description button shows what the cards say in agarest zero? i played last rebellion i dont know where that 11 hour completion came from, i finished the game in less then 6 hours plus 1 or 2 hours for endgame content, i didnt finded that game bad but it was way too short, its basically a game of mastermind as the battle system, each enemy once you figure out their patterns you can just save them so you dont have to do it again every single time, also the correct solutions get marker on the balls on the right, took me less then 2 fights if i even did more then 1 for each enemy to figure out their attack pattern same for bosses
@MyShiroyuki
10 ай бұрын
Time and Eternity having the main girl be someone who can switch between being a sweet redhead and a tsundere blonde reminds me of Xenoblade Chronicles 2
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
I literally said the exact same thing if you watched the whole video 😆
@MyShiroyuki
10 ай бұрын
@@TheGamingShelf Oh I must’ve missed that, haha
@damedus
10 ай бұрын
wow all 5 of those games are some of the ones i enjoyed the most in that era, so much nostalgia. neptunia and crossxedge were games i replayed more than a few times.
@matheusmarx5994
10 ай бұрын
This guy is crazy man, Last Rebellion is the only bad game
@JayceCH.
10 ай бұрын
@@matheusmarx5994 Neptunia is bad, and you should feel ashamed.
@matheusmarx5994
10 ай бұрын
@@JayceCH. Neptunia is fun and a creative game, and I feel whatever I want, shame on you!
@MyShiroyuki
10 ай бұрын
@@JayceCH. You should feel ashamed for shaming people for what they like. Neptunia is nowhere near as bad as games like The Last Of Us 2.
@KekaLali
10 ай бұрын
@@MyShiroyuki Agreed Bro
@Griff03
10 ай бұрын
I've never played a compile heart game that I've enjoyed. Honestly not sure how they are still in business.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Same!
@unlucky_thir13en
10 ай бұрын
Would love to see the worst Vita JRPGs!
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
I’ll get there eventually 😉
@chillout1984
9 ай бұрын
I don't really agree with this list. I really love both Cross Edge and the entire Neptunia franchise. I'm surprised Resonance of Fate isn't in the Top 5, that was easily the worst JRPG I've ever played on PS3 and I've played many.
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
I built the list based off the lowest 5 JRPG metacritic scores. I think RoF was like high 60s?
@dontribal739
10 ай бұрын
I'm gonna call malarky here - Time and Eternity to this day remains one of the most visually stunning and accurate anime games of all time. Not one indie, AA, or AAA studio has been able to do a straight 1:1 game that is literally playing through an anime from start to finish. This aesthetic is RARE and deserves respect. ... Gameplay is an acquired taste though.
@valentinemiller8680
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I definitely think that critics were way too harsh on the game. A lot of complaints I see about the visuals are things that can happen even in fantastic games, but with those games they didn't complain. Gameplay is a bit weird but once you get used to it, it's easy to remember (or at least it was for me). Also the soundtrack is amazing, my copy of the game actually came with a separate CD for the soundtrack and it's awesome. Time and Eternity definitely deserved better
@maximaxxx2531
10 ай бұрын
Last Rebellion one kusoge of the year and created the Japanese meme "Just level up and smack them with a physical (attack)," as pretty much that's all you needed to do to beat enemies in the game.
@mechaotakugamer
10 ай бұрын
Technically Namco x Capcom is the predecessor to Project X Zone. But Cross edge is now gonna be on my wishlist since i didnt know Ar Tonelico was in it. Damn Taylor blowing my mind
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
lol happy to blow minds!
@mechaotakugamer
10 ай бұрын
@@TheGamingShelf better than blowing anything else
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
🤣
@andrewvalentine6977
10 ай бұрын
I really liked Cross Edge. The biggest issue was trying to get the true ending so you could unlock all the characters. You had to get certain events in the correct order and if you messed anything up you wouldn't get it. I'll admit the story wasn't the best and some of the characters were kind of dumb but I really liked the combat system.
@someguy1ification
9 ай бұрын
yeah, I liked that game a lot too. but holy crap do you need a guide. one thing that sticks out in my memory is how, to get Lilith and Demitri (and thus the true ending) you... need to backtrack from world 5-2 to world like 2-2 (and, while you don't go to the worlds in order, that's still like halfway in the game) to use area search in a very specific spot that didn't do anything if you did so beforehand with no indication that anything at all was different. and you had to do it within like three story events or you would lose the window. that's crazy, nobody will find that on their own. I love the game regardless.
@andrewvalentine6977
9 ай бұрын
@@someguy1ification I remember copying down about 2 or 3 pages from Gamefaqs (didn't have access to a printer). Think I got about half way, messed it up and thought eff it.
@Reikosamaa
9 ай бұрын
Eh, i played hyperdimension neptunia after playing mk2. Got to say, it has no place on this list. while i has it flaws it was still not a bad rpg xS That said, theres a reason why it's the only game in the series with these kind of controls and stuff XD
@YouJustAmazeMe
9 ай бұрын
Whoa I completely forgot about time and eternity! What a cool and unique game. I agree gameplay is a bit shallow but I miss these types of new risky/inmovative type games. You can find some indies but I feel like most big studios don't want to take much risks.
@Ukiby3000
8 ай бұрын
Seeing Cross Edge gave me war flashbacks. I remember I got it because I was interested in the crossover aspect and was so sad at how boring it was! Fortunately I got Trinity Universe along with it and it is one of my favorite games on the ps3, so at least there's that lol Funny enough, IdeaF is involved in Trinity Universe as well, but it also has Gust and NipponIchi in the development team which explains why it isn't awful lol
@madthane_
10 ай бұрын
17:36 This killed me. Lmao. I like bad games that don't take themselves too seriously.
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
Same! Games don’t do it enough 😂
@Mizufluffy
10 ай бұрын
I thought that was quite funny, and I do like it when games give the player more choices even if it may not have long lasting effect to the story. Just a small acknowledgement can be enough. Although, it would have been quite funny if the scene had gone completely differently: The girl says she doesn't care about you anymore and leaves the building screaming in frustration, and the game ends there.
@doilooklikeiknowwhatajpegis
10 ай бұрын
Neptunia's gameplay might have been ass, but the characters and humor more than made up for it. I get a huge nostalgia boner whenever i see anything related to the OG Neptunia.
@Talvos
10 ай бұрын
I like Cross Edge and Neptunia. Both games are strangely addictive once you get to a certain point. - Though Cross Edge takes some work to get to that point. Right off the bat, it expects mastery from the player in building and comboing with your team. And, that is not an easy thing to pick up, much less pick up so early in the game.
@ushireborn
10 ай бұрын
Crossedge endgame is a grinder's dream
@TotallyCluelessGamer
9 ай бұрын
Cross Edge is hilarious to me because you get your short tutorial section of the game and then it immediately throws you into the deep end. Turn based games at the time were generally fairly easy so having one where the enemies can actually hand your ass to you on a silver platter was pretty fun.
@WhatWillYouFind
29 күн бұрын
Idea factory's Neptunia series is probably why they're still alive. They have a dedicated following. I have a love hate relationship with them because that one series is actually worth your time if you're into fan service.
@knuclear200x
10 ай бұрын
I still have my copy of Time and Eternity and haven't touched it in years since I got bored with it. HDN also surprisingly grew from being a bad game, if I hadn't received Mk2 first I probably wouldve shunned it forever
@ChrisWolfe111
9 ай бұрын
I actually enjoyed Last Rebellion and didnt die as much as you did. It seems you die a lot in these games and lose interest. I didn't really find the art that bad.
@TheGamingShelf
9 ай бұрын
What was I missing with the combat? It felt like if I didn't get the pattern down it was basically hard mode.
@Rosa_Canina
10 ай бұрын
In Defense of Neptunia... they are stupid but the first game actually tried a bit more to take its story a bit more "serious". All the other games play a lot better, though. The biggest problem is probably the fact Neptunia recycled dungeons between games...
@BigBoyAdvance
9 ай бұрын
>playing jrpgs with english dub peasantry taste
@marie-franceFortin
10 ай бұрын
I had fun with a lot of these games. I think you just don't like Idea Factory games
@TheGamingShelf
10 ай бұрын
You’re right, I don’t lol.
@RetroKiwiDad
10 ай бұрын
I actually own every one of these games, because I can't pass up trying an RPG, but I honestly don't think I paid more than $10 for any of them, and haven't beaten any of them.
@Borreguito
10 ай бұрын
Greetings. I can't defend CrossEdge😅 because I watched it and didn't love the battle system. But if everything were metacritic we wouldn't have the variety of games that emerge. Everything would be COD, FC, etc. just for being famous. The same thing happens in jrpgs, of my friends I'm the only one who likes Disgaea. I try any type of game that catches my attention, after 1 hour you know if it can be more interesting. I lent PS2 SMT Nocturne to my friend and he got angry because he lost several times in the first level, it usually happens, I told him with a hidden smile 😏
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