The only other test I'd like to see is running high currents through them to see how much they will take. Other than that I do think this is really good information and I use Wago connectors in my house wiring all the time.
@tarakivu8861
2 жыл бұрын
Well, thats determined by the resistance they have which also tells you about power-losses in form of heat.
@KillerSpud
2 жыл бұрын
@@tarakivu8861 not entirely. It does not show how the housing would deal with the heat it looks like none of them would catch fire, but they will melt at some point and that would be very bad.
@patnutoris4054
2 жыл бұрын
All of them work well above what is specified for 2.5mm 2 cables. Check out kzitem.info/news/bejne/w4Zm13yvj3OqoIo
@JoppedeZeeuw
2 жыл бұрын
He did test the voltage drop at 20A which was negligible. Even with the worst result of 80mV at 20A, that’s still just 1.6W which is less than most dimmer units for house lighting will have to dissipate. None of the numbers are of serious concern even when heat dissipation is difficult. Edit: I checked again and actually the worst result was 1.8 mOhm, which equated a heat production of only 0.036 watts. That’s nothing and maintainable 24/7.
@Magneticitist
2 жыл бұрын
It's like knife arguments. What's the best knife? I mean what's it being used for? Residential is fine. Wagos are great. Any kind of levernut really. I use them all the time. As for endurance I've never seen a levernut in an old plant that's been sitting there for 75 years+. I just see old wirenuts. When they are crumbling old wirenuts, most of the time they were just covering a tightly braided splice. If I want a high current splice that will never be removed and needs to last forever and even serve as a weight bearing splice if need be, I'm braiding solid copper then soldering it, and then twisting a wirenut over it if we're talking between wagos or wirenuts. If I'm wiring a light switch at home together or something I'm not really too concerned about what I'm using so long as I'm not trying to do some shit like hot glue wires together like jackass.
@benbaselet2026
2 жыл бұрын
The resistance test is also pretty important for short circuit currents. If you have a whole bunch of connections all over you want your short circuit fault currents to stay high so that fuses blow immediately instead of cooking and heating up places for a longer time.
@ChristophPech
2 жыл бұрын
A B16 Leitungsschutzschalter on 230V will trip instantly at 80A, which is 18kW and not exceed 2.8 Ohm. I once misconnected a Wago leading to a higher resistance and a nasty surprise. Since then I always measure the installation resistance of all mains circuits.
@mrdur2101
2 жыл бұрын
if you build up your electrical installation smart (only a few or no connetions) u dont care for that little resistens
@benbaselet2026
2 жыл бұрын
@@mrdur2101 Whatever you do you should know what you do.
@apigge8723
2 жыл бұрын
@@benbaselet2026 Good answer! Covers most anything!
@Tupsuu
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChristophPech Here in Finland we use mostly C10 and C16 circuit breakers and they require 125A and 200A of shortcircuitcurrent tested with a Fluke
@OleJanssen
2 жыл бұрын
I still can't wrap my head around why people hate Wagos that much. Yes, they're slightly more expensive compared to some other connection types and yes, if used properly, other stuff like wire nuts can be just as safe. But those are not foolproof and if used improperly, they might cause serious issues. That being said, Wagos are simply foolproof and much more convenient. Nice video, though.
@johnalexander2349
2 жыл бұрын
Other than paid shills, I can't see why anyone would claim that wire nuts are better. But as for "foolproof"... sadly, no. Once had a tenant that rewired a florescent fitting for a LED retrofit tube using Wago 222 blocks... shoved the wires in without lifting the lever. There's always a better fool.
@aimbuster1
2 жыл бұрын
i buy only wago. thats the way ( i dont not care about some cents ).
@ezurth
2 жыл бұрын
NEVER underestimate a persons ability to be a dumbass
@squee222
2 жыл бұрын
wire nuts if used properly provide a higher quality electrical splice. It's really that simple. Wago: DIY idiot proof. Don't need to know much. Wire nut: Good quality permanent splice not dependent on manufacturer to ensure continuity and ampacity but dependent on your ability t make a solid pigtail splice. Do you trust your skill more than a manufacturer? Than use a Wire Nut... if you trust manufacturers of connectors more than your skill, use a Wago.
@Kalvinjj
2 жыл бұрын
It's quite impressive how absolutely every field has mad raging fanboys and haters. I get it preferring one over the other, that's natural as everyone has different priorities on their selections, specially since both have their upper hand on some aspect than others. But to be hating like idiots and claiming bias and paid review if your precious loses? Damn...
@baalzevuv4509
2 жыл бұрын
Some time ago I watched video where Wago connectors were being tested for extremely high amperage and as far as I remember 2,5 mm wire started to loose it's isolation due to heat and started to glow red before even anything happened to Wago connector...
@paulstaf
2 жыл бұрын
John Ward "Wago 222 Connectors vs Others, Testing Current Overload and Flammability" youtube video
@cdscissor
2 жыл бұрын
Link for those who like convenience: kzitem.info/news/bejne/w4Zm13yvj3OqoIo
@maltesartor711
2 жыл бұрын
Confirms me in my experience: ViD Products are absolutely fine to use. German department store OBI sells the non-levered as their house brand, which should mean their certificates are most definetely not faked. And I had no issues when using those and the levered ones so far.
@kitecattestecke2303
2 жыл бұрын
Still no experience in the long run for just 6 cents cheaper per connection thats test would be mental to do on your own houses :-/
@arthurmoore9488
2 жыл бұрын
@@kitecattestecke2303 If the certs are genuine and they really are such a common brand, then I see no problem. Wago is the gold standard, but as others have mentioned the largest issue with knockoffs is quality control. That's not an issue from a company with a reputation to uphold. Also, Wago makes those extra hold down products, including DIN rail mounts that you can fit their connectors into. That's another reason they can charge a bit more.
@maltesartor711
2 жыл бұрын
@@kitecattestecke2303 The push-ins I bought as I ran out of Wagos for a job at my house. Certainly a lot better than the Luster terminals I replaced with them. The only real difference I noticed is, they are a bit harder to push in than the Wagos. The lever mechanism actually feels a bit nicer than wagos, though they are one for one a bit thicker. And I think they would have caused a bunch of housefires already in Germany if they are prone to it - craftsmen shop in department stores in a pinch as well...
@jimmyb1451
2 жыл бұрын
@@kitecattestecke2303 I bet you're vaccinated though. You don't need "long run" evidence. If we all waited around for "long run experience" before adopting a new product, we'd have nothing.
@Tobi_DarkKnight
2 жыл бұрын
Wie wo was weiß Obi.
@lazy_termite
Жыл бұрын
It's rather odd to trust the certificate markings on knock off products, unless there's an online certificate available, which can be fabricated too, but that at least will be something...
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
Generally speaking you can search the product app in most European countries on a big database of things but a lot of the approvals are not centrally issued. They are self declarations where you actually have document in detail your testing off the product.
@Karreth
2 жыл бұрын
Cool. I'll just stick to using genuine Wagos though. They're the industry standard, and no one would ever question your use of them.
@adamw.8579
2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Really industrial standard.
@tristankordek
2 жыл бұрын
7:35 The sudden appearance of the foot made me laugh, you are brilliant, I haven't laughed so much for a while THX :D P.S. Don't worry about comments from people who whine, these tests are needed to let folks know what to use.
@daviddavidson2357
2 жыл бұрын
The certificates part made me laugh. It's much easier to have CE molded onto knockoffs than it is to get the certification.
@theaifam5
2 жыл бұрын
Try to compare with “China Export” symbol 😂
@tyrgoossens
2 жыл бұрын
@@theaifam5 AKA the "Chinese Excrement" symbol.
@ulwur
2 жыл бұрын
CE is not a certification, but a self assessment by the manufacturer that the product complies with the standard, but no third party tests are required. So CE is only as good as the manufacturers conciense.
@MrARBlack
2 жыл бұрын
@@ulwur finally someone Who knows, thanks
@gowdsake7103
2 жыл бұрын
@@ulwur Ce kinda sums up everything wrong with the EU
@Speeder84XL
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! It's always interesting to know how "no brand" products perform as well (since it's so hard to know beforehand). They are often good, but if you are unlucky you may get some crap. In this case, you also don't want to discover that you got a crap product by it starting a fire, haha.
@GLITCH_-.-
2 жыл бұрын
I would've liked to see an endurance test, where you see if and by how much holding-strength and Ohm change after ten, twenty and maybe fifty uses.
@mcac-youtube
2 жыл бұрын
An accelerated oxidation test would be great.
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
@@mcac-youtube all electrical components should be placed in enclosures designed to minimise things like environmental factors that cause oxidisation
@bluescream7463
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison; I was especially interested in the effective amperage through the connection (short time and long time) compared with what's indicated. Great video!
@dwaynezilla
2 жыл бұрын
Your style of video making is distinct, clean, and aesthetically pleasing. Writing things out is a great way to fill video space between key points, and it looks really good. Plus it's always relevant because the values/words are related to what you're talking about. And the nice penmanship on the clean white paper is very satisfying, haha. Putting the knockoff connectors on a paper and writing their points is a nice touch!
@gn6034
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah shame he makes the 1's look like 7's though
@AndyGneiss
Жыл бұрын
@@gn6034 That's just the typical handwritten German numbers, and German sevens also typically have a horizontal dash through them (which can help tell them apart). I found it weird when I first witnessed it in school with a teacher from Germany.
@tildey6661
Жыл бұрын
@@AndyGneiss everyone should be using a crossbar on their 7s
@OgbondSandvol
Жыл бұрын
As it was said for someone else here, in other video's comments: I bought a bunch of Stabilo pens hoping that I could get so smart as Scott, but it didn't work. And being left-handed also helps to make the handwrinting more appealing.
@kmemz
2 жыл бұрын
I'll definitely be looking at the ViD connectors if I want to shave some price, and some of those slide connectors if I want to get a few bonus points for safety, thanks for the video!
@stehlajz
2 жыл бұрын
The ViD seems like a reasonable alternative. The brand ViolaDirekt is German (same as Wago) and the certifications seems legit and can be downloaded from their website. The others are all probably some chinese no-name, the sliding looks also decent but without any paperwork to prove some quality control it can be little bit sketchy.
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
@@stehlajz certifications are going to be self-assessed so any company can issue the paperwork saying it has been granted
@balesjo
Жыл бұрын
Working with computer systems for years, I definitely see the benefit of WAGO and the better knockoffs over wire nuts for use in many parts of the system when dealing with bare wire connections.
@squee222
2 жыл бұрын
big issue with knockoffs is quality control/assurance. They skimp in that area so although they might pass your testing a significant percentage of them (maybe one in a thousand or ten thousand) might be dangerous - which is an unacceptable failure rate for something meant to stop your house from burning down.
@GLITCH_-.-
2 жыл бұрын
Hm, fair point. But the connecters aren't fire extinguishers or sprinklers. :P
@Fifury161
2 жыл бұрын
@@GLITCH_-.- I think you miss the point - flawed analogy, fire extinguishers or sprinklers don't have the ability to start or perpetuate a fire. Insurance has a way of pointing blame at something that isn't certified or up to spec.
@m80116
2 жыл бұрын
In old homes is not uncommon that wire caps become oxidized, spark and fail charred. I still deem very unlikely that a hole in the wall start a house fire. It's all mythology pumped by distributors and electricians to better promote their job. Anyway... 1 to 2 way 3-color coded WAGO copycats it wasn't my choice: they don't exist per WAGO catalogue and they're incredibly convenient while cabling house 3 core wires.
@aaronporter2180
2 жыл бұрын
Scrolled down to make this exact comment
@LC-hd5dc
2 жыл бұрын
the other thing is since the knockoffs aren't really cheaper, why buy them?
@black.phoenix.
2 жыл бұрын
Scott there's one thing you are missing in the Certificates. For something to be VDE or UL Listed as the name implied there is a number who certifies such listing that you can consult. Having the logo doesn't mean it's not simply a silkscreen applied without any document that certifies such thing (very common with China manufacturers). Other thing is the similarities between the CE logo and the CE (China Export) logo. So just having CE doesn't mean that it's the CE logo we know for products authorised to be sold in the EU but a China Export logo. Just a search online can show you what I'm saying, KZitem doesn't allow links now... I'm a European EE currently living in Shenzhen/Hong Kong so I've come around this kind of stuff all days. That and counterfeits from brands as Knipex, Wiha, Wera and Wago for example.
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
Not always sometimes it can simply be given a certification mark especially in Europe is a self certification process but in order to use conformity marks it has to issue certain standards a lot of these are self-assessed with documentation but some may need third-party involvement so this can definitely be self-assessed without any formal record of itexternal from the company
@boxman139
2 жыл бұрын
The previous video was not bad at all. I think it was loud minority of people with very strong opinions who thought that their opinions were fact. Wire nuts, if used correctly, can get the job done safely, but so can Wagos. Also, some other commenters pointed out that on places like Amazon counterfeit Wagos are sold as real, and it is possible that any negative opinions about build quality might've stemmed from them buying counterfeits instead of real Wagos. This is really the fault of the website they are hosted on (especially Amazon), as it is very hard to tell these days if a product is real or not, especially considering that many reviews are paid and thus not genuine, inflating the overall rating. Hopefully those people learn to have a more open mind in the future.
@baronvonbeandip
2 жыл бұрын
If the last 6 years have taught me anything, its that, when people are loud and obnoxious about their opinion, I ignore it almost unilaterally.
@someguy4915
2 жыл бұрын
@@baronvonbeandip Usually the ones that scream the loudest/rudest that they know best are the ones that have no clue what they are talking about. Also, people who care that much about whether someone uses a wire-nut instead of a Wago or vice-versa that they go around spamming comments on KZitem videos should typically not be consulted for proper advice anyway, looking at the comment section here, some people really do stay up 24 hours a day spamming their opinion on KZitem xD
@gn6034
2 жыл бұрын
Wirenuts damage the copper to make a connection so most countries with proper wiring regulations don't allow them. As we have to test the installation and fill out a legally binding document that is our only defense in court if there problems down the line, we don't fuck about with gimmicks like wirenuts we make sure our connection are robust.
@ImSweetKiss
2 жыл бұрын
I think the problem might be with North America, since they use half the voltage, they have double the amps.
@IanGrams
2 жыл бұрын
I always chuckle when people throw around "you're biased" as if that somehow discredits what you had to say. Literally everyone is biased. If someone claims they are unbiased then that just tells me they lack the self awareness of it. I watch this channel because I want to hear your opinion on things. If I wanted an unbiased comparison I'd read the spec sheets side by side.
@baronvonbeandip
2 жыл бұрын
It's an internet joke; "Your nitpicking and biased; I win, bye-bye." Use it whenever you require intellectual superiority. It's like using Caps Lock but with arguments.
@run-dd
2 жыл бұрын
The CE "certificate" is merely a self-declaration by the manufacturer of conformity with European regulations, which is mandatory for sales to european customers. It is therefore in no way an expression of quality or the like.
@baronvonbeandip
2 жыл бұрын
They need to make sure that certificate is certified before it certifies a product.
@apigge8723
2 жыл бұрын
@Reimar: Thank you!
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
However they have to provide suitable documentation to prove it has passed the test forces testing a hot connection. They will use a glow wire test. They will have to submit photos and proof that it has been completed and what temperature they connect failed
@prathampalang6687
2 жыл бұрын
Electricians in india use electrical tape for wiring We have no regard for standards
@wolfgangpreier9160
2 жыл бұрын
How does electrical tape transport current?
@prathampalang6687
2 жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangpreier9160 we just twist wires together and wrap eletrical tape arround it and done Its similar to wire nuts
@Shwyne23
2 жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangpreier9160 u just tape the wires together? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And just to point it out for everyone: NEVER do that!
@pierreuntel1970
2 жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangpreier9160 everything is a conductor if the voltage is high enough
@wolfgangpreier9160
2 жыл бұрын
@@prathampalang6687 Oh, ok. I've done this too, but only with up to 12V. And the last time - lets see, was about 40 years ago...
@JUANKERR2000
2 жыл бұрын
If preferring a superior product over an inferior one is being biassed then I freely admit my guilt.
@JorgeCastilloArg
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many of those comments calling you "biased" were also biased because their own choice "didn't win".
@Divine_Evil
2 жыл бұрын
4:41, the 2 grooves on the left connector are the mark showing how much insulation to remove...
@Lena-qg8bd
2 жыл бұрын
i really didn't expect the slide connectors to perform that well
@luimobiletech
2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@luimobiletech
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/raR7q2mtnmZ0fYo
@Schatzjaeger2
2 жыл бұрын
And I would also not give it 3 points for ease of use. If it is already installed and you don't have the "tool" with you, it is not easy to use.
@Lena-qg8bd
2 жыл бұрын
@@Schatzjaeger2 i mean nails work just fine
@ConorNoakes
2 жыл бұрын
@@Schatzjaeger2 if you’re working on electrics and you don’t have the basic tools such as a small flat-blade screw driver then you should probably not start the work and get a professional instead 😂
@r6u356une56ney
2 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice if you labeled the amazon links as to which brand each one was. Also, it sucks that the VID ones don't seem to be available on US Amazon.
@nidusa1
Жыл бұрын
I can not find this ViD brand on internet search. are they sold as a different brand name also?
@user-cd7jx2td8n
Жыл бұрын
Right away, I'd like to say that you have some nice looking PME on your test bench! We also have one other thing in common - great handwriting! Anyway, I commend you on creating such a useful video. The test criteria you employed is very thorough, but the Resistance Test is definitely the most critical test in your list. Way back in engineering school, I was taught that Power is simply a form of Heat and, as you correctly pointed out, Power (P) is a product of both Current (I) and Resistance (R). Put a much simpler way, Heat increases when electrical conductors (wires) have poor contact with one another. Personally, I've never heard of a house fire that started at a simple connection point, but it IS possible. It is far more likely that a wire may come loose and short to ground - which obviously causes a lot of heat - but that's where your Pull Test comes in, which I see as the second most important test in your list. Regardless, thank you for performing this comprehensive product test and, please, keep up the great work!
@ferdi93ferdi
2 жыл бұрын
9:50 the most important thing is: .. the CE - certificate can be given by the company itself, "yup our product is europe compliant" - otherwise they cant be imported or even sold in europe.
@larkhill2119
2 жыл бұрын
Legally imported or even sold. Third party certification is required outside EU.
@dutchducks5451
2 жыл бұрын
Don't make the mistake that you have the CE and the C E .. that's a big difference...
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
However, this approval is simply testing it to required standards and documenting it. Even a cheap brand is likely to carry these tests out to confirm the connectors function.
@melody3741
2 жыл бұрын
Well, they're sort of right. If your connector is rated for 30 amps, and and one connector fails at 90 amps, and the other 1 fails at a 100 and 10 amps, in the amps, the 100 and 10 AM connector is not necessarily better, because they're so far above the rated Ambridge that they're both effectively perfect.
@Azlehria
2 жыл бұрын
It took me a few readings to understand that you meant a single connector failing at 110A, not two failing at 100A and 10A respectively.
@ianide2480
2 жыл бұрын
Being a US resident, I have a great reason not to use these types of connectors for home wiring. Simply put, it is available space... Right or wrong and comparisons to other countries do not matter at all. Our standards are what they are. I would say that 80%+ of all house wiring boxes that I have worked in do not have the space for these connectors. Fiddling around with 14ga *might* be ok in some cases but fill a box (like in a kitchen) with 12ga wire and receptacle and/or switch *then* add a wago connector.. Ya no thanks... The "standard boxes that are most common would likely not have the space. Twist on a wire nut (and you can buy a ton of these for next to nothing) and shove it in the box and be done without worry about space. Connections *have* to stay inside the box. Now how about a bunch of these connectors inside a junction box that has several connection points, you cannot have loose wiring with connectors without a junction box in any normal location that has wiring codes and standards. Keep in mind this might be a junction box that is a "standard" depth not one of the nice deep ones; those cost a several pennies extra and most electricians save the extra pennies when they have to buy thousands of these a year (another great reason for them to use wire nuts). The test you have shown here does not show what can happen over long periods of stress cycles. Which is reason #2 that I wouldn't use these. This is all about me personally (my reasons)... I do not like complexity when something simple and elegant is already available. I don't go dicking around in my home electrical boxes out of boredom, and I certainly do not need to connect/disconnect my home wiring hardly ever. These wago and "knock-off" connectors are made of multiple moving parts which (in my mind) equates to multiple points of failure. I do not personally want to add extra points of failure to my home wiring. This is the point that remains untested here in this video. Honestly I wouldn't use them in my house wiring no matter what the tests might say. Perhaps for a low current thermostat wire, but not mains. How many people are truly willing to work on their own house wiring, let alone try something that is a knock-off with regards to their/families life? I'll stick with the K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) method here. Simple, elegant, and completely safe, plain old wire nuts that have been proven a million times and more. The certifications you show mean less than nothing to me, rubber stamps are cheap and other "points of origin" do not care if they are breaking a rule about adding a certification stamp even if the item is not certified. For hobby needs where lots of testing is needed and connections are changed frequently, I'd use these all day no problem. If I finalize a design, I'll use plug in connectors though. They look much cleaner and are easier to hide. In the end I only have 1 reason, that I can come up with, to use these style of connectors. This alone relegates this to a novelty item for my uses. I do not dislike the connector in any way at all, they are just yet another item that I do not own; that list is a long one indeed.
@timgerk3262
2 жыл бұрын
Hear, hear! All splices and devices require an accessible box. All devices must be listed AND marked. If the device isn't imprinted with awg wire size, it's useless. (Revenge on the "what's that in kilometers?" crowd.) Proviso: in old work, the copper may be short, tarnished, or work hardened. The Wago's spring clamping force is a positive differentiator.
@shadow7037932
2 жыл бұрын
Spot on. I just rewired my fan in the primary bedroom due to the old switch failing. There's not enough space inside the wiring box to make WAGO connectors feasible. And regarding the price, you can buy a pack of 100 Ideal branded connectors for like $15 at the big box store.
@LC-hd5dc
2 жыл бұрын
i think the other comments have already explained the failure of wire nuts, so i won't repeat it. all i will say is, you're biased and wrong.
@ianide2480
2 жыл бұрын
@@LC-hd5dc hehe
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
If they do not have the space for these connectors, the density of wires will mean you have to lower the current because it is so packed they cannot stay cool
@MCsCreations
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tests and comparison, dude! Thanks a bunch! 😃 Here in Brazil I never saw those connectors... But online there are some sources... Maybe I try them soon. 😊 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@ElSmiley1000
7 ай бұрын
For the fire you should run them at their rated voltage and ampacity to see if they’re correct as well as comparing them to the wagos
@daliromeriskie328
2 жыл бұрын
This new intro brings me nostalgia.
@dans-designs
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to research this! I thought your last video was very concise and i had never heard of wago connectors before then so thanks again for that!
@wolfgangpreier9160
2 жыл бұрын
And i always thought wire nuts are - nuts. 👍😁
@dans-designs
2 жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangpreier9160 dude since your comment, there has been 5 Fake accounts posting to various Adult websites! May need to check your Gmail settings and connected accounts bud!
@wolfgangpreier9160
2 жыл бұрын
@@dans-designs I am sooo lucky i don‘t use gmail! 😂🤣
@dans-designs
2 жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangpreier9160 hahah fair enough
@arjanvanraaij8440
Жыл бұрын
Wirenuts were widely used in the Netherlands, until wago made decent push in wire connectors. But the Dutch wirenuts made by Conex are diffrent. They have decend instruction load and certification (kema dutch version of vde)and there own tools to install them.
@larkhill2119
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure how a CE certificate could be applied to a component? I know Honeywell was fined for a CE mark on a microswitch. Warning Its complicated. Only a technical report would give the details of which tests the component was subjected to. I would say a CE mark would be a sign of they did not know what they are doing. Honeywell Quote "The TS Series only has UL and Canadian UL (cULus). Our datasheet online incorrectly shows UL, CSA and CE. We have asked to have this corrected several times before, but it is still misleading our customers. These switches have not been tested for CE or against the European Standards." Because you cannot.
@drheaddamage
2 жыл бұрын
As far as I understood, the CE mark is just a "fit for purpose"-certificate. This can apply to individual components, but also to installations.
@drheaddamage
2 жыл бұрын
Ah, I also forgot. There is a "China Export"-logo (developed by the Chinese government if I'm not mistaken) that is almost exactly like CE, but the spacing between the letters is slightly different. Not a source of confusion at all!
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
CE approval will be granted it means it’s a approved against some standard criteria and industry specific standards. It’s compliant with any relevant one.
@hobbesip1
2 жыл бұрын
When it came to the UL listing, did you actually look up the number and verify it applies to electrical safety for this specific product's use case? Case and point: most surge protectors you might find today with a MOV and multiple outlets will have a UL listing, but the number only applies to "relocatable taps", not actual "surge suppression", meaning only the outlets expansion, not the MOV, is certified. This means the MOV could be below below UL certification and possibly fail tests where the MOV can catch fire under a large surge, but the outlets themselves pass. It's a real problem.
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
The United States agencies who do this approval charge for people to look it up not inside the United States because they can
@WoLpH
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a whole bunch of these types of connectors from aliexpress a few years ago and they were much cheaper (about 1/4) when compared to wago connectors. I have a hole set of wago for mains wiring and such, but for other stuff I often use these convenient alternatives with the nice screw-holes as well.
@MrKfadrat
Жыл бұрын
well you obviously need vibration tests for wall wire connectors. thats one of most important test, also gotta check how they act in 400+c temp and -100c. and obviously there is such thing as european standard and not every country individual standards guided by the eu standard
@Magneticitist
2 жыл бұрын
I use the lever kind all the time but I can say that there is not some "best" option between them for all purposes. It depends. I've seen lever nut splices where they magically somehow wiggle and pop off, lending to the idea that their use in general could become a little "too easy" for people over time. If I forcefully tried to remove a wire from the nut without opening the lever, I can do it with some twisting and turning. It's just not magically as solid as taking something like 12 or 14 and literally braiding it together. Wagos could probably stand the test of time but AFAIK empirically they cannot compare to wirenuts which have the actual evidence of doing so in many situations. People who are doing basic residential or light commercial wiring don't need to be too concerned about it.. they just need to make sure their joints are good with whatever product they use. Some facilities have local code which requires them to braid and solder permanent terminations in the boxes, something which the thought behind is not possible to do with a lever nut. Some of the thought behind that could be something like hospitals where engineers have kept it in mind that they want feeds to stay together temporarily maybe even in some drastic situation where an earthquake or other climate disaster has damaged some of the infrastructure. Having said that has anyone ever used wagos in a hospital for anything other than small fixture wiring? Would they let you make all the jbox terminations with them? This is just a random and joking example but I bet someone who is in an extremely unlucky situation where they need to hold onto some long ground wire to keep from falling is going to prefer it was fastened at the other end with a braided wirenut as opposed to a wago. I understand a wago may be tested and rated with all the acclaim but again, it's not hard to go see wirenuts older than you in old plants which are still fine. You can't do that yet with a wago unless you're pretty young. Of all the back and forth about wirenut vs wago I just don't get it when it comes to simply and basic wiring. Who cares. Just don't use scotch tape. People are talking about their preferred product for their electronic light switches lol.
@fester.
2 жыл бұрын
great vid,i bought the wago copies off amazon and 90% fell to bits,even out of the box when i lifted the handle it fell off,just buy wago original, you get what you pay for
@R4C3R
2 жыл бұрын
I really liked the video, very informative! Did you actually get a copy of / verify the certification for the product, because anyone can print the certification logo on its product. unfortunately I checked it once and the certification appeared to be fake.
@stehlajz
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, most of it will be fake (like the general CE marking) but about the ViD UC03M (ViolaDirekt) they are legit, the certificates can be downloaded on their website. The "slide" connector certs on the other hand are unfortunately probably fake.
@LC-hd5dc
2 жыл бұрын
@@stehlajz there's no such thing as a "fake" CE marking because the manufacturer self-certifies the CE marking. making it essentially useless. per the EU themselves, "You don't need a license to affix the CE marking to your product, however... [o]nce your product bears the CE marking - if the competent national authority requests - you must provide them with all the information and supporting documentation concerning CE marking."
@stehlajz
2 жыл бұрын
@@LC-hd5dc Actually there is. I know what CE means but many chinese products misuse the logo in way, that it means something else (usually China Export). The difference is in the logo itself, real CE have spacing between letters defined that when you finish the circle of letter C, the line will be at position of letter E. On the other hand the "fake" ones does not give a f about spacing or sometimes even font.
@someguy4915
2 жыл бұрын
@@stehlajz This is nothing more than an internet joke that for some reason some people started to believe as fact... There is no 'China Export' certification on products, has nothing to do with spacing, even large Western companies have made spacing and even spelling errors on certification markings and even their own brand names... A Chinese factory making crappy products is not going to care about not meeting CE requirements and will just stick/mold it onto their product, you thought they are scared that the fake certificate will get them into trouble but illegally importing them won't?...
@Gastell0
2 жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistake, CE marking is primarily a certification of materials, not specific functions like electrical conformity - it's mostly used for Import into EU
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
It certainly is it basically means it meets a certain standard but on top of that certain industry specific things have to be added on for the product if it is relevant it means it complies to all standards and the CE requirement
@Napert
2 жыл бұрын
did you make sure the CE symbol was actually "Conformité Européenne" instead of "China Export"? the chinese use basically the same symbol, but the letters are closer together and sometimes it may fool someone
@mcac-youtube
2 жыл бұрын
Perfect.
@LC-hd5dc
2 жыл бұрын
CE is meaningless.
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
If it’s been sold in Germany, it has to have the approval and lots of places will actually require the certificates to be given before it can be sold
@geezzzwdf
2 жыл бұрын
What do you feel about shrink wrap ? (Heat treated wire wrap) ?
@GarGlingT
2 жыл бұрын
He is still use paper and printed comment. haha I like how he diligently with manual work.
@JPEight
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott, Another great video, but just to say, you can't trust the certificate markings on knock off products. There's a reason people joke that CE stands for Chinese Export...
@Aeduo
2 жыл бұрын
Some of that stuff is probably available even cheaper than from Amazon. Amazon is going to be a lot of resellers taking a fair bit of a cut. Wish is kinda similar. They have a lot of crap that's resold and often way more expensive than anything else.
@callux93
Жыл бұрын
Very accurate testing and rating system. I wish all the brands were available in my area. The point about Wago themselves not being that much more per piece was an excellent conclusion. Absolutely great video!
@bjornroesbeke
2 жыл бұрын
I don't trust those certification markings. Any manufacturer could print whatever they want on those connectors. If i'm going to use such connectors for anything even remotely important, they better be genuinine Wago connectors!
@mortenmoulder
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding price per unit, you should grab them from China instead of Amazon. You can get a bag of the ones shown in the video for pennies per unit. And they're the exact same one.
@erikb3799
2 жыл бұрын
Or at least from an electrician supply company to give realistic domestic prices. On the other hand, the channel is aimed at the hobbyist that will likely use Amazon.
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
Generally speaking, you have to get them from some kind of distributor approved by the manufacturer as many Allpress sellers by reject ones from the manufacturer for recycling purposes but do sell them
@SM-ok3sz
Жыл бұрын
The other downside of Amazon is that you don't know if what you're buying is a counterfeit. For that reason, I buy my electrical supplies locally when I'm worried the item in question might burn my house down.
@chrimony
2 жыл бұрын
Your conclusion is disappointing. ALL connectors are suitable for hobbyists projects? I would eliminate the connector that you could pull the wires out with your hands. All point categories are not equal. This is a basic fail of the device. And while you tested resistance, you did not test max amperage of the bus bar.
@nisterror
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how many times I've put a wired nut connector wrong. I believe the Wago connectors are far superior. The clear case clearly shows you if the connection is done right. Further, when combining solid core vs. stranded cables Wago makes it super easy. And for all the people that don't like Wago connectors, you are free to use wire nuts, no one is forcing you, so don't hate on Great Scott.
@EsotericArctos
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question on the CE marking. Was it a genuine CE marking? I have found CE, even the genuine mark, sometimes is misused by some companies, especially those that are more interested in product dumping than genuine pride in their work. I agree, UL and ENEC are ones to look for
@larkhill2119
2 жыл бұрын
UL mark is only checked in the USA. A European import could be just as fake.
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
Ul it’s a terrible certification many things past that and still catch on fire like some outlets that electric car charges can plug in two types that are both approved but one will catch on fire if used with the car charger and one if things like that are allowed to be approved it makes me question what else is
@jumb0juice327
2 жыл бұрын
I havent made the jump to wagos yet. Can someone with experiencetell me how they do a house? With wire nuts i can fill my pockets. Whether its 2,3,4, or 5 wires together, the one nut covers it. With Wagos is it a pain to have to keep count of how many of each you need? Or having to have a few dedicated pouch pockets?
@MrKahvi
2 жыл бұрын
A good testament to the VID connectors is that my school uses them. And if I remember correctly they were sold under the Wurth brand.
@VJETRA
2 жыл бұрын
i mean its litterally just some metal wrap in hard plasic , it's no rocket science here , so yes they should perform about the same , with or without brand on them.
@ariedel
2 жыл бұрын
You got weak and bought 7 different types. 🤣🤣🤣The weak shall inherit the world.
@Zebra_Paw
2 жыл бұрын
If you start talking about giveaways, somebody will make a fake spam bot and think we are dumbasses LOL!
@bertram-raven
Ай бұрын
How do WAGO hold up in this test? I suspect those "knock off fires" are more likely caused by the "wetware" not the hardware.
@MASTERofDESASTER62
2 жыл бұрын
As you showed in your video, wagons are actually cheaper. Therefore, could you please redo this video with actuall knock offs from AliExpress? Which are way cheaper.
@ConorNoakes
2 жыл бұрын
They are the cheap knockoffs from AliExpress, just sold at a huge markup on Amazon to the sort of person that buys Chinese tat from Amazon instead of direct 😂
@StuElliott1980
2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you gave the green one 3 for ease of use seeing as you had to use a tool to open them.
@dafoex
2 жыл бұрын
Seems like you only need a tool to open it, so you could just prepare the connectors in advance and squeeze it closed with your fingers. I'm still surprised, though. Pre-opening your connectors is a lot of trouble to go to.
@patnutoris4054
2 жыл бұрын
It is most like a safety feature. Some standards require the use of tool to open connectors, specially when it comes to DC current so these would be very suitable for PV installations, specially when considering how well they performed with low resistivity. I can also easily see them inside various equipment.
@benbaselet2026
2 жыл бұрын
Doing one or two of those small levers might be OK with your fingers but try to use them all day.. your fingers and nails would be destroyed. So realistically both types need tools.
@mattsadventureswithart5764
2 жыл бұрын
@@dafoex perhaps years out of date, but always have to pre-open the connectors when using "chocolate block".
@MrSnowboarder0
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't think the last comparisn was bad. Maybe not all of the tests where meaningful or perfectly done. But they where real, it showed how non intuitive the wire nuts are and how beginner friendly wagos are.
@greatscottlab
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback :-)
@KJBtheMosFett
2 жыл бұрын
Started watching your channel to learn when I Was in engineering school. Now I work in R&D... and I we use the sssshhhiiiittttt out of these connectors. Seriously, this was a really good idea for a video
@taith2
Жыл бұрын
What I wonder/fear is what connectors are made out of Wanting to use in line connectors, but these are aluminum wires, not sure if conductor used in these connectors result in galvanic corrosion
@carstenk2552
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Video. I guess I would have needed it six weeks ago, maybe I wouldn't have bought the big ones I did, which do not fit the housing
@boots7859
2 жыл бұрын
Can we have the next video on how stupid NA's are because we insist on living like savages with our 120v single-phase? . Wago's are nice, however quite a bit more expensive. I get that they're hip, and reuseable, etc, etc. Here's a Trades tip most of you brainiacs have missed in your circle jerk of smug superiority. Over here, we connect a light switch or junction box with a wire nut, yes; and in all likelihood its probably not going to be touched for 10, 15, maybe 20 years, maybe never. So, I can strip a couple wires, twist with some pliers, and twist on a wirenut, crimp if I'm Union. 2 minutes max. Or I can save a whole minute, and use a Wago at 2-3x the cost/connection. And then its going to site in a switch box or J-box for the next xxx years. Aside from Makers and tinkerers, outside of >3-4 wires being connected, Wago's extra cost and 'features' are either negative or N/A for most applications they would be used for. If I have 4/5/6 wires all coming in, then sure a Wago would be nice. 80-90% of household wiring over here though is 2-3 though.
@apigge8723
2 жыл бұрын
@Boots: A bit more emotionally presented than my style but I agree and I'm grateful you said things that needed saying. Thanks!
@watup110875
2 жыл бұрын
I WILL ALWAYS DEPEND WHAT HAS WORKED FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS. Nothing has burnt down YET, so why change what works
@tasherratt
2 жыл бұрын
I think all electricians can agree even the knockoffs are better than wirenuts.
@npiper
2 жыл бұрын
THE issue with certifications is that none of them sample products randomly or check that design changes requiring re-certification have happened. There is next to noting stopping any manufacturer from providing a bogus high spec part to the testing authorities and selling a cut down version to the public. This is a known and active scam in the wild in the PC power supply industry with the 80+ certifications.
@larkhill2119
2 жыл бұрын
A well known brand of Led power supply's offers test samples for government contracts if required.
@npiper
2 жыл бұрын
@@larkhill2119 Specifically requesting one is LITERALLY the worst way to aquire a representative sample for testing. If they know it's for testing they are going to make sure not to send you one of the 10,000 with the dangerous solder bridges made by Jitter Hands Xiao before he was fired when the QC team got out of quarantine.
@someguy4915
2 жыл бұрын
80+ certification scams on ATX power supplies, never heard about any of that, especially because it is rather easy to test: measure wall outlet current and hook up power resistors to the 12VDC, 5VDC, 3.3VDC and 5VSB lines to GND and measure how much power the PSU consumes by itself. Do you have any known brand that has bogus 80+ certification?
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
Actually, the certifications generally mean it meets all industry required certifications and some safety ones for since it may have to meet specifics certification about connectors in that case they will stipulate things like product testing periodically
@SFoX-On-Air
2 жыл бұрын
That price comparison, between a german product brought in Germany and something else from somewhere else, will not fit for everyone.
@someguy4915
2 жыл бұрын
Price comparisons are always relatively local...
@davejack8973
2 жыл бұрын
the notch in the bottom of the connector is for the wire depth ... THE MORE U KNOW
@navorski7660
2 жыл бұрын
I am neither American nor Eropean. I never used any of those connectors before but only electrical tape. I prefer wago connectors over wire nuts. They are reuseable and more practical. Wago connectors are easier to connect and disconnect.
@mattholmes8214
Жыл бұрын
I use wagos instead of wirenuts in electric motors in a marine environment. If they can handle that, I think they can handle some lights and outlets 😂👌🏼
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
If you’re using them in a marine application, look at that jail boxes that can snap round the connectors
@iNFiNiTY125
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not that people had problems with your results or you were biased it’s that you showed improper installation of wingnuts and used cheap no name wingnuts compared to name brand Wago connectors. A more fair comparison would be versus the industry standard like Ideal’s offerings and twisting wires together with pliers before installing wingnut as code states.
@apigge8723
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@UKsystems
17 күн бұрын
You felt to realise even namebrand why not say push wires in without twisting and turn one quarter turn that is what a box of them said that I bought to do a test with
@flashmedia8953
2 жыл бұрын
Good work scotty
@folerx
Жыл бұрын
so, no wago for more powerful devices, 2500w? better to solder and tape around?
@PhaseFroZen
2 жыл бұрын
Shoot i've used wire nuts for a long time! I HATE THEM. These wago are amazing hands down
@Dansk55
2 жыл бұрын
These Wagos are EXCELLENT when wiring stranded LED lights/fixtures to solid gauge wire that's wired around the house. They also work very well with applications around the car and motorcycle which I have at least a decade of very good experience using. The only reason I still use wire nuts is cause I purchased a whole bunch at a discount years ago.
@tricky98
2 жыл бұрын
Great video - thanks. Just had a look at Amazon in the UK - and the winner has already sold out 🤔
@greatscottlab
2 жыл бұрын
What a shame😅 But now you know what to look out for👍
@adamw.8579
2 жыл бұрын
I made industrial machine wiring using original WAGO 221 - mixed cable types from 0,8mm2 to 4mm2. Zero problems, excellent reusability (for correction work). Expensive but worth any spent coin.
@sciencebug314
2 жыл бұрын
i repeated the resistance test of a wago 221 with AWG 16 fine stranded wire and got 1.1mR as a result. my wago knock-off look-alikes came out even better with just under 1mR (voltage drop measured with a UT181A). i removed more insulation so i could measure directly at the connector's entrance, while running 18A through it.
@madgenius9720
2 жыл бұрын
How about overload tests?
@HassanSalehabadi
2 жыл бұрын
your videos are so valuable thank you.
@joshuamartin5644
2 жыл бұрын
Iv Been doin electrical work for 15 years I'll never use these stick to the 3M tan and red wire nuts
@knifeswitch5973
2 жыл бұрын
Yup!
@secretwebsite
2 жыл бұрын
Knockoffs are great if you don't need the reliability
@laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953
2 жыл бұрын
It's much better now, finally being able to put a face to that weird German voice! 😁
@practicalmedicine4359
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you would consider doing an additional evaluation on the "push in" wire connectors, represented in the USA largely by Ideal connectors. I actually picked up a pack thinking they were Wago knockoffs, as they look very similar from the outside. Thanks!
@patchofparadise2930
2 жыл бұрын
Please set-up a rumble account so we can get off KZitem.
@tapestapes0
6 ай бұрын
I am always afraid it could be a knockoff connector
@samfish6938
Жыл бұрын
someone used a welder to see what amps wago would go on fire and also wire nuts wago went on fire at 100 amps and wire nuts about 110 amps
@basvandersluis5662
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for testing this. It is good to know, but I will still be only using Wago's in my home. It is just an emotional thing. :)
@tffNabelAli
2 жыл бұрын
Hi I am from iraq you r amazing
@flos251
2 жыл бұрын
How to enter at Keysight University? I have no buisness
@martinlabuda117
2 жыл бұрын
Great tests, original wago connectors are quite expensive :D
@ErvahNoir
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they're all somewhat similar in thia but I'm curious how water resistant they are now. I have a few projects that require rewiring but a lot of them may deal with at least condensation. Great video as always!
@ProfessorDIY
2 жыл бұрын
hen people have no real arguments they accuse, I prefer WAGOs to any other electrical connector and defiantly above wire nuts.
@philherb3843
2 жыл бұрын
The CE-Logo you can see on one of the connectors looks like the "China Export" logo, wich is nearly the same as the CE "Conformité Européenne". The Conformité Européenne has an E with a shorter middle slash and if you draw the C and E to circles, the circles will overlap exactly as how wide the drawing line is. You can google an image of the logo to see the difference.
@ChrisgammaDE
2 жыл бұрын
There is no such official label as "china export". There have been numerous cases where chinese sellers put CE Logos on their products without doing the paperwork, but this is a form of misuse, not "different label". Important thing to note here: The CE-Logo is not a sign of quality. The Logo by itself only means the manufacturer did the paperwork and declares the product conformant to current eu regulations. No external checks involved here (simplified) Further reading: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking see "China Export"
@ChrisgammaDE
2 жыл бұрын
To check if the manufacturer did the CE declaration properly: Have a look into their documentation. The declaration of confirmaty has to provided to the customer. Sometimes in the manual, sometimes seperatly. This is the only reliable way to find out if they did their declaration correctly and not just plasterd the logo on
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