Hey guys, just want to clarify what we’re trying to say with this video. We’re using the generic image to illustrate that these days, even the Pixel UI is significantly customized by Google- to the point that calling that interface 'Stock Android' feels quite disingenuous. 'Stock Android', that is to say ‘Android without any vendor customizations’, isn't really a usable thing anymore as it was in the past. Even the most straightforward custom ROMs make tons of their own changes to the base Android code because the most basic forms of Android, like AOSP and GSI, aren’t meant to be daily driven.
@notPixielllllScale
23 күн бұрын
hi linus
@Zsobix
23 күн бұрын
review evolution x and hi joey
@cosmoxp
23 күн бұрын
Okay, Linus.
@skialsbasement6040
23 күн бұрын
hi
@ZboeC5
23 күн бұрын
So what is the "best" custom ROM...comments haven't helped at all.
@MarioGoatse
20 күн бұрын
The date is 2015. You’ve just bought a Galaxy S6. You pull up XDA and refresh daily, hoping for bootloader unlock and a custom ROM. You scroll through the threads of Nexus fanboys, Indians demanding ROMs for Xiaomi’s, and Motorola and Sony fanboys smugly twirling their moustaches claiming you should have just bought one. You love it. This is what you’ve done for years already.
@evilgrin1
18 күн бұрын
damn the good old days of custom roms
@YourLordMobius
17 күн бұрын
@@MarioGoatse I understood every word of this sentence and it made me incredibly nostalgic.
@lucasamoriim5126
17 күн бұрын
Ohh boy these were the days
@danielmilligan3298
16 күн бұрын
S6 active was the best phone I've ever owned. Bring back phones with IR blasters!
@DimitriMoreira
15 күн бұрын
2012 for me. Rooting Android phones and jailbreaking iPhones/iPads... Loved those days. The only reason I don't do it anymore is because of banking/payment apps. I prefer not to risk it.f
@vishalcj4044
23 күн бұрын
Thank you for the shoutout Linus!😄 - Vishal (Paranoid Android Dev)
@veemyu
23 күн бұрын
@@vishalcj4044 Back then I used Paranoid Android on my Galaxy S4 intensively ☺️
@40Burak
23 күн бұрын
Lol
@mbahmarijan789
23 күн бұрын
do you have vanilla build+signature spoof support?
@zerbrechliches5200
23 күн бұрын
@@vishalcj4044 If I was you with you're expertise, I'd have made the problems in this video very clear to Linus. I know some stuff about custom roms and this video really pisses me off. It was clearly just made in a rush without really checking stuff. He's complaining about aosp as it "sucks", but only really tried a gsi? There are so many flaws in this video that it was actually more of a pain for me to watch. I already wrote a really long comment which now cost me some time I could've spent to fall asleep already 😂
@remmy9303
23 күн бұрын
@@zerbrechliches5200 and somehow, magically, unexplainable no one else cares.
@Thamios
23 күн бұрын
I still miss the old cyanogenmod. Edit: Can everyone stop saying LineageOS now? Everyone knows that Lineage is the new Cyanogenmod. That‘s why I wrote „I miss the old“ one. For me the OnePlus One Version was the last good Version of Cyanogenmod.
@xGoldColossus
23 күн бұрын
came to the comments to find this comment
@teepee69420
23 күн бұрын
LineageOS essentially is Cyanogenmod tho
@seclvded
23 күн бұрын
lineageos is literally cyanognmod
@ZumaZoom07
23 күн бұрын
Fun times. Learned so much
@MsHojat
23 күн бұрын
What do you like about the old one versus the new one? Is the new one not better in every way? (LineageOS _is_ Cyanogenmod in virtually everything but name)
@volnas1665
22 күн бұрын
What Apple fanboys think having android phone is like:
@VinayakDas-ob8nc
16 күн бұрын
They dont
@korosoid
16 күн бұрын
>think They do?
@MeowThingy
13 күн бұрын
@@korosoid They think different.
@Akruit_HD
13 күн бұрын
They think?
@InJouHande
11 күн бұрын
@@Akruit_HD beat me to it🤣
@xdevs23
23 күн бұрын
I'm one of the founders of halogenOS - which is based on AOSP (not LineageOS) - and has been around since 2016. While we don't have enough resources to provide builds for many devices, there are test builds for select devices that we use as our own daily drivers - and I've been using it pretty much uninterrupted since it exists - across the 4 phones I've owned since then. AOSP, unfortunately, is only maintained to a bare minimum. Apps haven't been updated in years, basically since the Google Pixel exists. Back then, Google Nexus phones would run stock AOSP, but now they are doing their own thing and leaving us in the dust. As for GMS, I used to use microG but stopped using Google Play Services/GMS altogether. But if you want to run Google Apps on halogenOS - feel free to do so - it's your choice - and we even try our best to keep Play Integrity working.
@T15A20
23 күн бұрын
@@xdevs23 interesting to hear a bit of inside from one of the devs, thx!
@CanIHasThisName
23 күн бұрын
This is the perspective that I feel a lot of people are missing. Over the years the whole Android ecosystem has changed a lot, and perhaps most users haven’t really noticed the change.
@psionx1
23 күн бұрын
the out of date apps are one thing. the fact that trash security policy prevents you from easily making proper app backups and deleting bloatware without unlocking your boot loader and installing root is another story.
@chadfli
23 күн бұрын
Can you port it to OnePlus Nord n100(not n10 5G)? I can’t find a good rom for mine
@lululemon0424
23 күн бұрын
just focus on de-google project from pixel image and maintain a few popular models. that's the only way that makes sense. it sucks that we have to face this kind of nightmare. but it's just better to have the AOSP choices from those corp mining machine.
@BlackPanthaa
22 күн бұрын
Custom ROMs used to be a MUST USE on Samsung phones, their UI was so insanely bloated
@servissop151
22 күн бұрын
Lower end Samsung A series phones are still ultra bloated, ads on the lock screen type of thing Most of it is opt in, but you really have to get through those checkboxes instead of clicking "Accept all and continue" Which many people don't do Xiaomi phones (low end) are just as bad, except worse because they started the trend of ads in your phone Everytime you install an app, it "scans for viruses" before proceeding to show you an ad The file explorer app shows fullscreen ads, like in mobile games And you get constant notifications from apps like Music which are also ads That's on top of the slow SOCs that lower end phones run, which doesn't have enough processing power to really run the bloated OS as is, let alone with a bucket of ads thrown in So these phones struggle on the stock OS, too bad since basically no one bothers to do ROMs for them unless it's a brazilian/indian guy who can't afford a better phone (not joking, that's what usually happens)
@xan1242
22 күн бұрын
Hello Theo, nice to see you here :P
@heho7683
22 күн бұрын
Still is (bloated), even on their S23+ that I last used.
@SomeCuteDoragons
22 күн бұрын
I don't care
@redm00n748
22 күн бұрын
@@servissop151ive seen the mi videos app have a tiktok client built in, i hate how true all this is.
@geneshock4729
23 күн бұрын
There's a part of me that always forgets Pixel UI is not Stock Android
@RoseQuartz692
23 күн бұрын
Pixel UI is Stock Android like Pixel Experience a Stock Android Custom Rom with the Pixel UI
@Moshiur_Rahman
23 күн бұрын
@@RoseQuartz692 it's not stock android, it just looks like that
@MiGujack3
23 күн бұрын
And it's sooo bad.
@MiGujack3
23 күн бұрын
@@RoseQuartz692 Absolutely not, it's way worse.
@RoseQuartz692
23 күн бұрын
@@MiGujack3 what is worse
@Daniel-dj7fh
22 күн бұрын
Linus being such a note9 fanboy and just not getting the s24 or something is my type of humor.
@jsax01001010
21 күн бұрын
@@Daniel-dj7fh I love it because I still use a note9.
@balisongman07
21 күн бұрын
Them removing the micro SD slot lost me
@iulianhagea5815
21 күн бұрын
I still use the s9 i don't see why i should change it anytime soon. New phones are not better at doing stuff that i use on a daily basis!
@Daniel-dj7fh
21 күн бұрын
@@iulianhagea5815 But Linus' phone is literally broken
@jsax01001010
21 күн бұрын
@@Daniel-dj7fh His note9 isn't broken as far as I'm aware. I think it was his fold that ended up in the pool. He switched back to the note9 after he broke his former daily driver phone.
@hyedefinition1080
23 күн бұрын
Stock Android is like Stock Linus...a man without a beard
@Mr.JimPickens
23 күн бұрын
Yeah. It lacks looks.
@mroie
23 күн бұрын
@@hyedefinition1080no beard is a good thing
@chenloz6178
23 күн бұрын
@@mroie hes way more handsome with a beard
@elemar5
23 күн бұрын
Are you sure he's a man? Girly earrings, dyed hair and sandals!
@MarlockT
23 күн бұрын
@@elemar5 how old are you
@kantoscad3583
23 күн бұрын
"I tried the last iPhone and HATED it" video in 30 days let's gooooo
@Numb_
23 күн бұрын
Latest*
@ToatsMcGoats534
23 күн бұрын
you'll be disappointed when linus gives a relatively un biased fair view on apple products like he **always** does.
@CricketEngland
23 күн бұрын
Having used both IOS and Android I find the Apple iPhone easier to navigate
@Dren5
23 күн бұрын
@@ToatsMcGoats534 What are you talking about? He's always shitting on Apple. 🤣
@lusteraliaszero
23 күн бұрын
recently got an ipad, first ios thing in my life, and I was astounded at how janky everything is. like wasn't it supposed to be extremely polished in exchange for walled garden? everything constantly refreshes when it's not supposed to, the inputs feel less smooth, the programs have less features than the same thing on android, it's so amateurish. the walled garden shit sucks too, but man, I feel like I've been lied to my whole life when people presented this dichotomy that android was the less polished and stable but more free one, it's clearly more polished too
@Nostalgia_Realm
23 күн бұрын
When people comment about "stock Android" I feel like they usually mean the Google Pixel experience. While that's not fully correct, I can understand the confusion.
@NonLegitNation2
22 күн бұрын
yep, I thought it was stock Android. I mean as Linus said it's Google who makes Android so you'd figure they'd put stock android on their own devices. I guess we learn something new everyday.
@EdiUtomoPutra
22 күн бұрын
@@NonLegitNation2 it was in google nexus i guess. but after pixel series it isnt true anymore.
@KennerMarqueti
22 күн бұрын
Yeah, being in the custom rom scene since the galaxy s3 days stock android for me was cyanogenmod/lineage os. But I definetly see why people see pixel as it. And honestly it would be pretty nice if it would. Nowadays I think Motorola is the one customizing android the least. Still they offer few updates and their camera experience is very subpar.
@jameslake7775
22 күн бұрын
I used to own a Nokia 7.1, and part of the reason was because it was part of “Android One”, which was marketed more or less as “Stock Android”. Obviously with all the Google services added on top of the open base, but no skins, no launchers, no OEM-specific versions of apps, no carrier bloat, etc. Seems that while there was no skin and no bloat, there were actually a lot of quiet quality-of-life tweaks and some apps like the phone and camera had been swapped out for better versions made to look like generic stock apps. I never realized it was less stock than implied until this video.
@danidh
22 күн бұрын
@@NonLegitNation2 if they’d put stock Android on Pixels there really wouldn’t be any incentive to buy a pixel phone. Considering this also means that every other manufacturer has all the pixel features as a baseline, and can only expand from there. This would result in basically any phone being more feature rich than the Pixels.
@tylervanry5253
22 күн бұрын
This is where I realized that my beloved Pixel 8 Pro is running a skinned android.
@quevinquinvulafrancisco2653
19 күн бұрын
your dreams of purity may no longer be🙃
@davinkeee
18 күн бұрын
Not skinned, rather just all apps being replaced by closed source ones.
@craighart
6 күн бұрын
@@davinkeee so that is skinned.
@davinkeee
6 күн бұрын
@@craighart depends on what you mean by "skinned"
@xSil3nt27
23 күн бұрын
An android rom dev here, a GSI is **not** the same thing as building AOSP for a device (lets say a Pixel 8 Pro in the case of the video), it is a generic image, meant for testing. You wouldn't have seen Can developers add stuff to GSIs to make them usable? Yes, absolutely, and they do that all the time. I do agree that barebones AOSP is horrible to use, but I think it's this way by design, there is no reason for anyone to use it; if you are savvy enough to build and flash it to your device, you could've flashed stuff like LineageOS or any other custom rom way easier. Moreover, having more stuff in AOSP means more work (pointless work) for rom devs, and manufacturers. If a manufacturer wanted to ship android on a phone without building out their own AOSP fork, they can easily use stuff like lineage. EDIT: I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE MAIN POINT OF THE VIDEO. There is no usable ""stock"" android anymore. (There hasn't been for quite a while). The only major criticism I have is the use of a GSI instead of an Android build for the device that was used. Furthermore, the video shows installation of a android 15 beta GSI, which isn't even a release build of android. (Though, I do not know if this was just footage captured by an editor, since one of the options is the A15 beta on Google's web flash tool). These issues would explain the finicky/buggy behavior with settings and Bluetooth.
@lucasgomes6096
23 күн бұрын
I mean, but isn’t that the point of the video? There is no “stock Android”. Every android is going to be its own thing. LineageOS is not stock Android, it’s Android with Lineage’s choice of apps and features. Just like any other custom ROM or manufacturer ROM.
@HearMeLearn
23 күн бұрын
well yeah but the point of the video is to address what people's conception of "stock android" is. At this point there is no usable baseline, just a skeleton used to make custom versions. Not meatriding linus btw I just didn't see a problem with the video in that regard
@niveZz-
23 күн бұрын
as an average xda user i truly think linus missed the mark with this video many viewers are gonna think what is known as "stock android" is complete garbage
@kloroformd
23 күн бұрын
Just a nerd here. AOSP being garbage now is by design. It used to be quite good without the Google stuff. Why would Google want the good functionality to be free? They got theirs, everyone else gotta work for it. EDIT: I uhh, posted before getting far in the video.
@RandomUser2401
23 күн бұрын
Essay essay essay... aaand people still think why iOS is so darn popular from grandma to very tech literate nerds. Enjoy your beta dev builds with bloatware and Google all over the place.
@BocuD
23 күн бұрын
“What these guys are thinking”
@geneshock4729
23 күн бұрын
@@BocuD I didn't get this comment until the video loaded
@aplsed
23 күн бұрын
Canadian AVGN be like:
@peterparker-zy9oe
23 күн бұрын
what?
@tkain61
23 күн бұрын
@@peterparker-zy9oe Pretty sure Linus was supposed to say "What are these guys thinking?".
@nothajzl
23 күн бұрын
its probably cut (from "i dont know what these.."). Just guessing
@Yofu
23 күн бұрын
TIL Pixels out of the box are not actually "Stock Android".
@ThatIceChampion
23 күн бұрын
Read the pinned comment
@AngelicHunk
23 күн бұрын
Indeed, do not run stock android.
@ThatIceChampion
23 күн бұрын
@@AngelicHunk its called Pixel launcher right? Or is it something else? (I have a pixel but I can’t find what its called other than Pixel launcher)
@807800
23 күн бұрын
@@ThatIceChampionI think people just called it Pixel ROM or something like that. Which also why, as mentioned in the video, there's exist a Custom ROM that's called PixelOS which aim to provide the same experience as Pixel devices to other phones.
@ThatIceChampion
23 күн бұрын
@@807800 cool
@DippedToast
22 күн бұрын
Most of the AOSP apps haven't been updated in years, and most of them became closed-sourced Google apps.
@joeyhuab
23 күн бұрын
If only you guys flashed Evolution X instead.
@xssmoke7343
23 күн бұрын
@@joeyhuab hi joey
@konstantin3178
23 күн бұрын
This
@ethan5285
23 күн бұрын
fr
@bluublup
23 күн бұрын
@@joeyhuab fr
@marcels.7074
23 күн бұрын
@@joeyhuab hi
@EdiUtomoPutra
23 күн бұрын
0:19 - watching linus still holding note 9 shows me that this phone still rocking solid,
@who_is_arnob
22 күн бұрын
one of the best flagship phones!
@jordansean18
22 күн бұрын
@@EdiUtomoPutra note 9 was my favorite. I wish it still got OS updates
@linkinlovprk
19 күн бұрын
Thank goodness too as its still my daily driver 😅
@mostlime12195
18 күн бұрын
I still use it, with custom ROm
@MisterDoorNumber1
2 күн бұрын
Note9 seemed to be good. I just couldn't choose it over my Note20 Ultra, though. That thing has treated me beautifully.
@jirikral1052
23 күн бұрын
The stock camera is so bad because google stopped updating the open source versions of core apps like camera, contacts, messages, phone etc... which are part of the Android Open Source Project and left them untouched for years developing their Google branded proprietary versions instead. Fortunately there exist a plenty of FOSS alternatives you can install and most Custom ROMs based on stock Android do so. Other issues happening to Linus (bluetooth, hotspot etc...) are not a problem of stock Android at all, but Linus (or someone from his team) installing a ROM that includes drivers/firmware that are not fully compatible with the device (these are usually issued by the manufacturer). I am sorry, but this has nothing to do with stock Android, but the ROM itself not being fully compatible with the phone model. Flashing a Custom ROM is not like live booting a USB with a desktop system that works on most machines with a correct architecture. Each custom ROM has to be configured specifically for every device model to work correctly.
@tiagomachado5360
23 күн бұрын
Luckily, there's always the FOSS alternatives, which are either open source from scratch, or based on the standard AOSP apps. LOS does this pretty well. Their Aperture camera app (based on CameraX) is great, and if you have a good unofficial/official build, it has seamless zoom across all the lenses.
@jirikral1052
23 күн бұрын
I am sorry I mentioned some stuff that was later acknowledged in the video, but I am a custom ROM enjoyer, so I hat to spit it all out 😂.
@mycosys
23 күн бұрын
Anyone say MacOS Darwin?
@cosmicgamingunlimited
23 күн бұрын
I know you are trying to argue these are not real problems, but if a team of people could get out so easily wrong, most consumers will be in the same boat.
@despareint
23 күн бұрын
Stock Android is a total mess, I switched to MIUI
@Sknoodle
21 күн бұрын
0:39 made in heaven
@militosipac1257
20 күн бұрын
@@Sknoodle underrated comment
@maksadnahibhoolna-wc2ef
16 күн бұрын
@@militosipac1257 at 6:27 , isn't there a taboo against nose picking ?
@NekoTangerine-jg6ti
16 күн бұрын
JoJo reference no. 12734
@Sreekar617
23 күн бұрын
bro was so flabbergasted he turned into slim shady
@AxiomTheory
23 күн бұрын
Partial Mathers
@AxiomTheory
23 күн бұрын
More bars than Cadbury's
@AxiomTheory
22 күн бұрын
@@Sreekar617 So the FCC wont let me be, Or let me be me at LTT, They tried to shut us down on scrapyard wars part iii, But it feels so empty without this segue ... to our sponsor
@sdoix
12 күн бұрын
💀💀💀 gawd dayum
@sdoix
12 күн бұрын
Lmfao 😭
@aryanjohnsharma
23 күн бұрын
I've been using LineageOS on my Pixel 4a for soo long, and Custom Roms are the greatest thing about androids.
@JoshuaCasey
23 күн бұрын
GrapheneOS is more secure than Lineage
@nico1337
23 күн бұрын
@@JoshuaCasey Yeah but it's unusable for me. CalyxOS with microG is a good compromise.
@xulqarnaen
23 күн бұрын
Sad that google is trying to kill them, Constantly banning fingerprints and making it impossible to use banking apps on rooted devices or custom roms
@destiny_02
23 күн бұрын
crDroid anyone?
@nico1337
23 күн бұрын
@@destiny_02 Big no go for me because like most other custom ROMs these days it comes with Google services baked it afaik
@Hrafnskald
23 күн бұрын
The key issue with Samsung is the impossible to uninstall bloatware. I don't need a Samsung browser, a Samsung App Store, or a Samsung version of Kindle, or apps. Yet Samsung keeps reinstalling these, and blocks their removal. I'd be happy with Samsung if they didn't force unwanted apps back into my device at every update.
@stillshallow
23 күн бұрын
OMG so true - I had my heart set on a fold phone as my next upgrade - then I bought a Galaxy Tablet and the almost daily battle against bloat has completely put me off ever buying anything Samsung again.
@overlordmarkus
23 күн бұрын
You can get rid of most of them using android developer tools from your pc. You might need to learn a few command line prompts, though. I am quite cross with Samsung for making many things so hard, but it is possible.
@ariffinsetya
23 күн бұрын
have you use samsung internet tho? in my experience the ads blocking is superior compared to chrome, that i used it on my secure lock mode
@MatthiewMarks
22 күн бұрын
This is the same with all major manufacturers, unfortunately. I recently switched from Samsung to Pixel under the misconception that Pixels didn't have bloatware, but it has just as much as my old Samsung phone :(
@malikfaisal416
22 күн бұрын
Universal Android Debloater
@enggarmuhammad6433
21 күн бұрын
people cant tell the difference between "Stock android" and "stock rom" 😭😭 watch the full video till the end
@jajssblue
23 күн бұрын
I forsee no backlash to Linus not using a stock Pixel for a month instead. /s Edit: This is not a dig at the point of this video.
@loganatori6117
23 күн бұрын
...what?
@IceYetiWins
23 күн бұрын
@@loganatori6117people are going to be mad he's getting an iphone
@MiGujack3
23 күн бұрын
I don't think anything will happen. Pixel UI is NOT stock android and it's just bad.
@ninjadev64
23 күн бұрын
@@MiGujack3 My whole family use Pixel phones and I disagree with "it's just bad". Best Android experience in a long time.
@zekiz774
23 күн бұрын
@@Lord_zeelPixel UI isn’t stock android at all. Once you tried a deegoogled rom you will never say that again
@Raansu
23 күн бұрын
I don't think GSI was ever meant to be used by an end user...
@Boxish
23 күн бұрын
I don't think the point is what is intended by the manufacturers, but what certain reviewers and people screeching in said reviewers comment sections say that perpetuate "stock android and being as close to stock as possible is best." I might not even have been what was meant, but that is the message that was received.
@CoryLuLu
23 күн бұрын
Back in the day, Google used to allow you to download most Pixel/Nexus apps via the market on any phone. But for some apps that's no longer an option and in either case, it still meant you had to configure your phone with those Google store apps, which phone's who were supplying "stock Android" would do be default.
@VELI-Productions
23 күн бұрын
Welp I thought it was, so good to know it isn't now.
@CanIHasThisName
23 күн бұрын
That’s the point of the video.
@stephen01king
23 күн бұрын
@@socramdavid So what do they meant? Which ROM is considered stock that actually fits the meaning of stock?
@kimochi33
23 күн бұрын
This is where Android and GNU/Linux meet. Whatever distro or flavour you pick, someone out there will get mad. Edited: GNU/Linux Yes. They use Linux kernel. Android is Android. How is someone reading "Android is GNU Linux" from this?
@micglou
23 күн бұрын
Well... yes, this :) Although... if that's where Android and Linux meet... does that mean that's also where iOS and Windows meet? Because you just have to deal with the current flavor? Oh man... no... not starting that one!
@paradoxx_4221
23 күн бұрын
Android uses the linux kernel, so you’re have a point 😅
@l4rkdono
23 күн бұрын
@@paradoxx_4221 It's so heavily modified that I really wouldn't call that Linux anymore tbh
@makisekurisu4674
23 күн бұрын
This is what makes android so great.You can literally do whatever you want with it. Good luck doing that with an Iphone.
@pepavasata6790
23 күн бұрын
Android and Linux meet in the source code first off all but I get what you mean.
@bullet4g
22 күн бұрын
And here in the comments you realize how many actualy watch videos and dont actualy pay atention/listen or completly miss the point.
@Otto500206
18 күн бұрын
Yeah, they don't even understand the purpose of this video...
@seanlacroix
18 күн бұрын
They probably watch like 30 seconds on it and then let the comments fly.
@ChristopherYeeMon
23 күн бұрын
Don't forget to let everyone know why Google did this. They started out as 'never do evil' and Android started out as open source, but then they slowly rolled that back and started close sourcing apps, and putting functionality in Google Play Services instead of leaving them in AOSP. Trying to develop an Android app that doesn't have AOSP functionality can be quite difficult because they give you a zillion API calls that aren't actually in AOSP Android, and a lot of devs get lazy and don't abstract away that functionality to make it easier to swap out.
@hanko5750
22 күн бұрын
Now the Alphabet Boys motto is DO EVIL - and try not to get caught
@antiwokehuman
23 күн бұрын
Google has made stock android a lot more bare bones than it used to be in the past. All new features are now closed source google exclusives.
@HearMeLearn
23 күн бұрын
stock android now is just enough of a baseline for another company to use it to start with and basically make their own version of android, it kinda makes sense that android is going more of the linux approach and is including less and less out of the box and leaving that stuff up to the makers of the phone
@Gabu_
23 күн бұрын
Typical google move - enshittify everything to increase profits for a quarter.
@justSomeUserOnYT
23 күн бұрын
@@Gabu_ this is a very low IQ response. As others have said, it's basically if you want to build your own Linux based OS. You get the basic kernel and build out from there.
@burhanbudak6041
23 күн бұрын
GSI is like the worst, it's only for development. A custom ROM is more useful. Also Google has been cutting out stuff from AOSP, many apps don't exist and is now proprietary Google Apps. Google isn't pushing AOSP. Still random AOSP video.
@mineland8220
23 күн бұрын
Click baity title yes, but their video is more of a "stock android is used as a base for manufscturers and people keep saying to 'use stock' which could mean anything" psa more than anything from what i got
@burhanbudak6041
23 күн бұрын
@@mineland8220 the day of TouchLag is long gone.
@HearMeLearn
23 күн бұрын
@@mineland8220 that's my interpretation, and I've been defending them in the comments, but to be fair to the people commenting, LTT *should've* put in the conclusion of the video that GSI while technically could be called "stock android" at this point is probably a misrepresentation of what people want to say with that phrase, and collectively when talking about android phones people should probably just call pixel's version of android stock android from now on either that or something like linneageOS but that's a very small portion of people who hang on to an old android phone and put a custom ROM on it
@sorastaz
23 күн бұрын
@@burhanbudak6041 No it is not only for development. You're referring to GSI AOSP, but there's PixelOS GSIs, Grapheneos GSIs, Pixel Experience GSIs etc. With treble patches, those can be set-up for daily usage without much hassle. GSIs were very unstable many years ago, but as someone who daily drives PixelOS GSI, it's pretty much like turning any phone into a Google Pixel.
@typhon1861
23 күн бұрын
That's literally what the video is saying. He's saying stock android is a misnomer because no such things exist anymore. Before GSI was basically pixel (or nexus), now no one uses it and everyone defaults to lineage os, evolution x or pixel experience mod.
@Lifeslayer8
22 күн бұрын
Linus mentioning Sony Xperia is the biggest marketing their phones have ever received 💀 Now... as a 10 year Xperia user, "stock" to me = all the nice QoL stuff but no UI elements. with how interconnected everything is it's kind of crazy for anyone to believe anything is "stock" nowadays.
@clemesnvi
23 күн бұрын
This is how iPhone users think all Android are
@nothingtoseehere93
23 күн бұрын
Cope 😊
@Grim_Jesus
23 күн бұрын
@@nothingtoseehere93 The only one coping is you lmao
@ThompYT
23 күн бұрын
iphone users will say smthing like cope
@I.K.illedThatBeardGuy
23 күн бұрын
I 🐑 s 😂
@P.90.603
23 күн бұрын
Iphone is designed for the average person.
@VortaBlack
23 күн бұрын
Linus switching to an iPhone..? We're in a dark, dark and sad timeline.
@Nael000
23 күн бұрын
Lmao, he just want something that works
@NicCrimson
23 күн бұрын
@@Nael000 But android just works also...
@raidev_
23 күн бұрын
@@Nael000 if that was the case he would go Samsung since that's what he's used to, he's just trying stuff out
@MiGujack3
23 күн бұрын
Can't blame him. I returned my Pixel 8a and went iphone as well. I will never look back. If I need some obscure Android app I have backup phones or could buy a cheap Xiaomi.
@UserOfTheName
23 күн бұрын
He'll be back on samsung in a week and probably will have some story about a smart home device whose app is only available as an apk on their website and thus can't be downloaded on Iphone
@PlanetLinuxChannel
22 күн бұрын
It’s amazing to me how many things in that stock AOSP are basically the same as they were in stock Android 5 or 6. Like, surprisingly little has changed in eight years!
@scaramouche768
22 күн бұрын
They do not have a reason to change it as no one is using it.
@icebergmm
22 күн бұрын
It's almost like Google started to hamstring stock Android as soon as they were in the hardware market...
@hilmyakatsuki1665
22 күн бұрын
they are when they started working of Google's own proprietary apps like messages. Before this they just used open source apps mostly
@MirorR3fl3ction
23 күн бұрын
So basically "Stock Android" has become like the often ignored GNU OS, its almost purely a baseline image that other Linux distros build on top of
@semmu93
22 күн бұрын
i'd just like to interject for a moment...
@snek_john_titor
22 күн бұрын
GNU? WHAT?
@gelbphoenix
22 күн бұрын
There is no "GNU OS". Linux distros are either build on existing Distrobutions like Debian, Fedora or Arch or build from scratch like NixOS.
@entralink
22 күн бұрын
@@gelbphoenix GNU is the operating system project, android isn’t gnu as it uses its own userland. Desktop linux is usually GNU. Linux by itself isn’t really an operating system, it’s just the kernel
@IngwiePhoenix
22 күн бұрын
If you mean just the kernel, GNU coreutils and a package manager of choice? Yep. Exactly.
@blargleschnartz
23 күн бұрын
I like Motorola's skin best, even if only for the moto gestures- the chop for the flashlight, wrist twist for the camera, holding volume up and down to move forward and backwards tracks when the screen is off. Anything that lets me change my music without needing to look at the screen is a massive plus
@florianwiedner
22 күн бұрын
The skin was nice to use but in my experience from using a g100 for two years it there is still work to do. It happens quite frequently that apps just freeze up, sometimes even the whole phone and I have to force a restart. I also noticed that the phone slowed down significantly when switching from android 11 to 12. Using the fingerprint reader to unlock used to be instantanious and after the update it started to hesitate for a tiny moment. Every action felt slightly delayed. The zooming in the camera app is delayed. All of these things make the phone feel older than it actually is and is not representative of the Snapdragon 870 inside it. Updating the Os should not have this kind of penalty. After the screen broke I swichted to a used iPhone Xs which feels more responsive than the Moto (and runs the newest iOs.) Of course iPones have their own problems too, but for 156€ it was the cheapest option that had everything I needed.
@MrNicoJac
22 күн бұрын
In that case, you might wanna check out One Plus. I can draw a V on an off screen to go to flashlight, or an O to open the camera app. < and > go to start of the current and next song, respectively. And two fingers top to bottom is pause. Three is a screenshot if the screen is on, iirc, but I just use power button and volume down for that.
@bastienx8
22 күн бұрын
@@MrNicoJac That's hard to do in your pocket. Holding the volume buttons to switch music works even through a jean or with gloves.
@patrickshores4118
22 күн бұрын
I do miss having moto gestures after switching to pixels.
@MrNicoJac
22 күн бұрын
@@bastienx8 Oh, yeah... For in my pocket, I use the commands on my Bluetooth headset
@KingofArsenal
23 күн бұрын
Giving up and going to iPhone is NOT something I saw coming TBH.
@ts757arse
23 күн бұрын
Feeling like it's either rage bait or he's just sick and tired of the nonsense and wants something that "just works".
@HearMeLearn
23 күн бұрын
@@ts757arse I mean considering one of the few "major" reasons he couldn't use iPhone was no t9 dialing and they're finally adding it with ios18, it actually makes sense for him to finally try switching back again
@RandomUser2401
23 күн бұрын
it's the only sensible choice at this point tbh
@ShEsHy
23 күн бұрын
Really? Linus is about as brand-fanboy as they come, so it was no shocker that he'd go with the biggest one eventually.
@WalterMan
23 күн бұрын
For real, all Android phones seem to have some random issue. Samsung devices typically have more bloatware, Pixel devices have hardware issue, and underpowered SOCs, the list goes on. iPhones while lacking some features, just work.
@kofidrng
19 күн бұрын
Linus: iPhone is soo expensive! Google: Say no more! Can I interest you for a 1100$ phone?
@seanlacroix
18 күн бұрын
Pretty much all flagships are expensive now.
@kylespevak6781
17 күн бұрын
@@seanlacroixYeah but Pixel tries to be Cloud-based without cutting costs
@marjon1703
23 күн бұрын
6:07 Yup and I am finding this episode a real eye opener. I am very fond of the Xperia world with its 3.5mm audio jack and other norms.
@averagehummer1213
23 күн бұрын
@@marjon1703 That caught me out when he mentioned Xperia. Watching this one my 1 IV
@AlTheEngineer
22 күн бұрын
Xperia for life!
@guesswho2778
22 күн бұрын
i got an xperia 5 IV recently and the only two things i do not like is the extremely dim flash and the fact i cant set an app to open when i press the power button twice. i used to have it set that my phone would toggle the flashlight when i pressed the power button twice, it was super convenient and was absurdly bright. if the power went out i could just turn my flashlight on, put my phone face down so the light was facing the ceiling and the entire room would be lit by the light bouncing back down off the roof. it was also very useful outside at night, this was a samsung A42. honestly would go back to it if i could find another one, i gave mine to my gran as the 3g networks are getting shut down over here and she needed a new phone. i do like the xperia 5 IV, but it cost me 5 times what i paid for my A42, i dont think its 5 times better.
@AlTheEngineer
22 күн бұрын
@@guesswho2778 I install something called "Android Nav Bar" which allows you to re-config your 3 button nav bar and add "hold" effects to each key individually. I configured my back button to turn on flash light if held, the middle button to launch app search and the right button to take screen shots (all if held). The flash is weak only when its constantly on, its actually very strong when taking photos ... I think Sony does this to save the flash LED from burning out. Last time I owned a Samsung it was the Note 4, and my flash LED actually burned out due to using it as a flash light for far too long than necessary - so I kind of get why they dim it, its really designed to be a "flash" and not a "flash light" which is constantly on.
@justanonvegan
18 күн бұрын
@@marjon1703 I still have the LG V60 because of that
@alex73630
23 күн бұрын
Wait before LMG discovers what Stock Linux is 😄
@zekiz774
23 күн бұрын
A kernel
@hehehahahmhmhm
23 күн бұрын
no one accuses any linux distro for not being stock . unlike android users which is always their number one critic about any vendor roms
@hikkamorii
23 күн бұрын
@@hehehahahmhmhm They actually do, just not in the same way. Ask any die-hard Arch fan what they think of Ubuntu, and you'd get basically the same response.
@stephen01king
23 күн бұрын
But they don't call it stock Linux, because unlike some Android users, they actually know that even Arch is just a flavor of Linux.
@hehehahahmhmhm
22 күн бұрын
@@hikkamorii sorry but no. you don't get the same answer. arch fans hate ubuntu mainly because the think it is anti choice and anti privacy features. that's it it .not because they think it is not stock linux. in fact arch users run the most customized linux builds. they think ubuntu is anti freedom
@RainbowMario
23 күн бұрын
9:19 - Jonathan Horst Jumpscare
@thatbeybladeguy
23 күн бұрын
New meme unlocked
@Sebastian-ww1nh
18 күн бұрын
1:23 Classic Linus intro. Brings Nostalgia
@HisVirusness
23 күн бұрын
That's really Linux in general; if you install a generic image, you're getting a generic image. It's up to you to set it up and make it usable.
@divisionic4641
23 күн бұрын
Kinda the reason why it's just not recommendable to say "just switch to Linux bro", since some just want to have it already made for them, not set it up themselves.
@pixel690
23 күн бұрын
@@divisionic4641 i mean thats where distros come in, this video is almost like installing just the linux kernel
@HisVirusness
23 күн бұрын
@@divisionic4641 There are distros that are set up and work right out of the box, like Linux Mint. I would recommend a beginner use that over something like Arch, where all you get is a command-line interface out of the box. And as someone who has fully switched to Linux, it is SO worth it.
@Jason9637
23 күн бұрын
@@divisionic4641Just give them a distro like mint
@papasivir4241
22 күн бұрын
@@divisionic4641the problem with this is is nobody's telling anyone to get a bare Bones Linux distro. There are plenty of beginner distros that are a lot simpler like ZorinOS. However, even most of these aren't completely perfect at the moment. But neither is Windows these days honestly. Plenty of issues that require mild technology literacy that most people just don't have.
@kyoyeou5899
23 күн бұрын
When 1 month of Graphene OS
@Shaflugi
23 күн бұрын
honestly graphene has some of that stock AOSP jankiness.. but it's super usable. I've only run into a couple apps that don't work.
@NicolaLarosa
22 күн бұрын
Same here, I was surprised how almost every app worked, only one didn’t.
@sergione371
22 күн бұрын
I think the message of this video is pretty clear from the beginning. Android stock is NOT the one on Pixel devices, and we think it is because is the one on the Google phone, but the real stock android is the one shown in this video...
@vladislavkotenochkin3589
19 күн бұрын
Next try "Stock Windows". Windows in safe-mode without any preinstalled programs
@mrben9000
5 сағат бұрын
@@vladislavkotenochkin3589 😅
@Skiman__
23 күн бұрын
Seeing the intro puns makes me happy, makes me wish it would come back for every video
@Argumentul
23 күн бұрын
Linus is getting an iPhone - armies will be shattered. worlds will burn!
@thunderingeagle
23 күн бұрын
oh dont you worry about that. He is gonna switch back to Android after he finds out that there are some things terribly implemented on iOS. Then he is gonna do a whole rant on WAN show on why he is switching back. The same drama since 2013
@TheRealAstro_
23 күн бұрын
@@thunderingeagle he will be mega frustrated having to use Webkit for browsing, not being allowed by Apple to install third party apps for the stuff he's admitted to need and all the other Apple shenanigans
@Thatweirduncle
23 күн бұрын
@@thunderingeagle ive been using the 18 beta, and it feels like a lot of the poorly implemented stuff has been fixed... Issue is, the fixed stuff in 18 just makes the other stuff that was fixed in upgrades before feel poorly implemented.
@Zulu_Drops_Dubs
23 күн бұрын
My iPhone 14 Pro Max generally speaking just works. Not sure what these terrible implementations are but I either don’t use them or don’t notice them 🤷♂️
@hamzasultan96
23 күн бұрын
He's going to switch back when Apple demands 30% of subscriptions that go to his platform from an iPhone like they did for Patreon.
@sandrokapellen9064
23 күн бұрын
Last year I switched to GraphenOS on the Pixel 7 and I will literally never use a different OS ever. No bloadware, full restriction over all apps. Full compatible with all banking apps it is full experience with non of the bs.
@beatrices.4601
23 күн бұрын
Bought a pixel 8 just for graphene OS.
@lukaspc2892
23 күн бұрын
Same here, GrapheneOS is awesome!
@zahedchowdhury0
23 күн бұрын
@@sandrokapellen9064 it isn't fully compatible with all banking apps though due to safetynet/play integrity not passing on graphineos due to it not being CTS certified
@nonvideo
23 күн бұрын
Also on GrapheneOS. Very good OS. I appreciate how they give you the freedom to install sandboxed Google Play Services if you wanted to.
@pewlivepie5006
23 күн бұрын
can you use GCAM?
@PixelShade
22 күн бұрын
I've been using Nova Launcher on Moto devices for around 10 years now. I really just want an unbloated experience with a neatly organized desktop, a world clock, some upcoming events from the calendar + the few apps I use, easily accessible from the desktop. My phone has kind of looked the same for the last 10 years now. It's great, and I love the Motos twist motion gesture to activate the camera, and chop motion for flashlight.
@straightbusta2609
23 күн бұрын
The back button and the gesture being similiar is one of the most annoying features in current stock android
@RoseQuartz692
23 күн бұрын
Why annoying?
@qwertyuiop.
23 күн бұрын
@@RoseQuartz692 we want buttons!
@RoseQuartz692
23 күн бұрын
@@qwertyuiop. As soon as I switched to Custom Rom I got used to the gesture immediately and now I don't want buttons
@CurtisDishman
23 күн бұрын
@@RoseQuartz692in my experience they don’t grab when you want and they will grab when you don’t want it. Like ive been scrolling an article or product page on my 24u and it will randomly grab as a back swipe and I lose where I’m at or the site even.
@RoseQuartz692
23 күн бұрын
@@CurtisDishman just scroll in the middle of the phone since you drag on the side of the screen to go back I have never had any problems
@XzaroX
23 күн бұрын
My main annoyance with stock Android is that there is no sound recorder app. Every OEM has to make their own, but some don't bother (Sony Grrr). Google made their own for pixels, but it is... exclusive to Pixels for no reason lol.
@scaramouche768
22 күн бұрын
Of course there is a reason, to drive sales! Pixel recorder was one of the first in the industry to convert speech into transcripts. Do you think they will give that away for free?
@Lollllllz
22 күн бұрын
Sony Used used to make one but seemed to stopped updating it in 2019. There used to be a scene of porting Skin-specific apps(Xperia\Pixel\Touchwiz\OneUI) into either flashable zips or universal APKs but i dont think it is as active as it was before with the exception of Gcam.
@pzaikis
21 күн бұрын
Surely there is an app for that?
@lordeilluminati
4 күн бұрын
That is why I dont like atock or close to stock Android. They lack a lot of basic stuff that is very useful. Yes, apps with these features do exist but I hate to search for a good alternative without ads for a thing that is included on a Galaxy phone.
@iFix.
23 күн бұрын
Yeah, it has been a while since stock android was a thing, we should start calling each manufacturers ROM by its name, android can be a wildly different experience from one phone to another. Android became more of a foundation than a OS and that is good
@plushyneko
22 күн бұрын
It is a Generic System Image for a reason. AOSP is a framework at this point, which is built upon by manufacturers, including Google themselves, to showcase what their "vision" of AOSP. I understand your point, Linus but you should clearly rename the title to mention AOSP & GSI.
@NabsterHax
22 күн бұрын
It's clickbait for sure, but this is KZitem. Personally I'd just put scare quotes around "Stock Android."
@cooIguy
23 күн бұрын
"What these guys are thinking"!?
@Ghost-pb4ts
23 күн бұрын
I customized everything about 6-7 years ago, and since then, I've been importing my settings. Of course, now and then, I update my GUI interface with some new features, but that's about it. Some smartphones have a very long battery life regardless of their small capacity. Some get a little warmer even with KZitem and WhatsApp use. The removal of the SD card, audio jack, and charger is the real difference that has hurt me the most. No change that to random non-rollback updates, which makes your device bad. Iike heats up and drains the battery even on standby, charging slows down significantly, and then it heats up, and the UI starts to stutter. And then, you'll use a screen guard and case cover even when the manufacturer claims the absurd durability of the phone. They make the phone so sleek and sexy, but you have to cover it in an armour-like case, which heats the phone even more. Yeah, it is still a mixed bag.
@StratusHunter
23 күн бұрын
4:30 I think it's important to highlight the screenshot shows this is a beta build. I heard a lot of the issues (mainly the ble ones) and thought to myself it sounds like the times ive done alpha/beta installs for testing new OS versions and skipped back and saw that was the case. The UI/UX issues are fair play but a beta build vs release build is not really apples to apples.
@sandeepsrinivas7
21 күн бұрын
Stock Android (even Google/Nexus UI) didn't even have a functional File Manager till a few years ago.
@just_mdd4
23 күн бұрын
I love how the intros are back!
@watercannonscollaboration2281
23 күн бұрын
6:48 watched until the end before commenting, but for someone who hasn’t dabbled in Android for years I always thought when people say “stock” it’s what Google’s Nexus/Pixels ship with, aka how Google intends you to use a phone
@LeoDas688
17 күн бұрын
Motorola and some Xiaomi phones use stock android atleast one similar to pixel
@faroukb.8475
22 күн бұрын
3:08 "no one talks on the phone anymore Linus ya dinosaur" got me rolling on the floor
@bigMax1337
23 күн бұрын
Jup google stopped supporting aosp apps and some have been thrown out of the project. Google killed stock android by creating pixel apps for everything instead
@AarPlays
23 күн бұрын
Is this different from the ASOP experience? Or did google just basically stop doing updates for the default android system? Edit: oh... Wow they uh, really left it behind.
@k80theshade
23 күн бұрын
3:30 in all fairness to 'Droid, BlueTooth is steaming hot trash *everywhere* because, despite numerous revisions of the standard, it's just....hot garbage. Like parallel ports. Remember those?
@Koalateatimes
23 күн бұрын
@@k80theshade can confirm. I really don’t understand how Bluetooth sucks on android. The standard itself is very old but is being constantly improved on.
@FatesCall
23 күн бұрын
Any clue why BTLE seems to work
@FaySmash
23 күн бұрын
But it surely doesn't help when all the device specific blobs are missing in the image
@andrewt9204
23 күн бұрын
Is Bluetooth's basis of design just too outdated at this point?
@iagmusicandflying
23 күн бұрын
The ONLY good thing about parport was it made it super-easy to integrate TTL circuits to a computer back in the day.
@matuzaato
22 күн бұрын
I think this video would've been way better if you had used that version of AOSP for like a week tops, realizing it isn't mean for disly use and commenting on it, and then switched to a "stock" custom rom like LineageOS for the remaining time I at least would've liked to know the current stage of ROMS rather than whatever this was
@MEneifal
23 күн бұрын
2:03 what are these hands man hahaha
@barbar1an_
23 күн бұрын
yeah, after I started using samsung I dont think I can use anything but one UI anymore, its just good, stable and insanely customizable
@ChrisCarlos64
23 күн бұрын
At the time of "stock" Android, people felt the phones suffered lag and slowdown because the skins on the launcher were slow. This was true at an extent, but mostly it made Android experiences difficult to grasp for many and share help to those with different systems. These days it isn't quite the case as much. Most Android is fairly cohesive with premium phones generally being different enough but built on "stock" Android to some extent. Honestly I don't mind being on the samsung UI train. They generally introduce features that Google ends up copying and integrating into Android.
@HAKANKOKCU
13 сағат бұрын
also, stock android has a bug that audio always plays at FULL BLAST for a split second, funny thing is they didnt fix it for 10 years...
@sbn025
23 күн бұрын
00:51 thats been true a long time!! stock android lack a lot of features. And Soc have come a long way and run really well almost any skin you throw at it.
@ShihammeDarc
23 күн бұрын
Note 9 was truly peak phone, they don't make em like they used to.
@borjie2727
23 күн бұрын
@@ShihammeDarc they do. It's called the s24 ultra. Except without SD card and IR scanner
@tuanld91
23 күн бұрын
@@borjie2727 and without the headphone jack. Without all those anyone might as well buy an iPhone or a different phone and use the note 9 as a companion.
@ten8yp
23 күн бұрын
@@borjie2727😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 keep going... we'll wait to hear the other reasons the S line is TRASH.
@tomclanys
23 күн бұрын
@@tuanld91 yup, lack of SD and jack is a dealbreaker and after 10 years I might have to go away from Samsung.
@ShihammeDarc
23 күн бұрын
@@borjie2727 "except without the SD card and IR scanner" You said it yourself. Oh, and the headphone jack too.
@cobble616
23 күн бұрын
Clever use of the hat at the beginning there, to hide his hair to avoid continuity errors
@AgnisRoz
20 күн бұрын
I love Sony for their stock-ish Android. Yes, there are tons of their Sony specific optimisations, features and apps, but the user interface itself is somewhat what Google has intended. Definitely not a fan of flashy asian UI's you get on pretty much any other phone.
@TheManfet
23 күн бұрын
"before you shoot the messenger" should have been "before you kill the messenger" and therefore a reference to google XD
@Hrafnskald
23 күн бұрын
Or in Samsung's case: "Before you reanimate the corpse of the messenger". Zombie Samsung apps never die, even when you want them gone.
@totallyrandomuser5760
23 күн бұрын
I would LOVE to see a follow up where the custom ROMs would be reviewed and/or compared in detail. Would be helpful for people whose phones have reached (will soon reach) the EOL date
@YOYOBOIII1
23 күн бұрын
Evolution x has to be one of the BEST custom roms As it has many spoofs for Google photos ,games ,etc.... And it passes Play integrity ❤ Who's with me ?
@TheDevil259
23 күн бұрын
Nah. Too many updates require a factory reset. I also remember it being a tad too buggy for my taste.
@JaySee5
20 күн бұрын
*THANK YOU!* I hate all these people calling *GOOGLE* Android "stock".
@ryan-skeldon
16 күн бұрын
Hate? You *hate* them? That's rough.
@MadSpacePig
23 күн бұрын
I didn't even know there was a stock android camera app, is there a single phone from any common manufacturer that actually ships with that?
@mlsasd6494
23 күн бұрын
thats the point, there isnt
@cURLybOi
23 күн бұрын
point of stock android isn't that it is the best user experience. the real point is that you can install whatever launcher/customization and it doesn't clash with the vendor customization, or, at the very least, consume space while deactivated (although i do admit that this is becoming a moot point with all the gigs of storage we get these days)
@blad...
23 күн бұрын
Ye I used to do stock back with the first Nexus phones and customize it to hell and back. Nowadays Pixel UI is so well made though and I don't have time.
@Hezeri
23 күн бұрын
This. Although it's not the proper use for the term Stock Android, it's basically what it meant for me too. If the phone comes with vendor apps or vendor system apps that integrate tightly with the launcher app or with any other vendor app, it's not "stock android". I hate that if I want to use a different app to do something, the default app for that thing is still linked somewhere and cannot be changed. I've been using the same launcher on every phone since 2014, and I switch phones when other apps "require" the vendor launcher to operate without issues. Don't know if this is still the issue on Samsung phones, or if the default launcher can be disabled without causing other problems with the phone. But it was a problem at one point, and I've stayed away from Samsung since then. I should probably give it a try again, as small form factor phones with good hardware are disappearing and S24 meets my requirement otherwise. Earlier Pixels, Sony and Asus phones have worked fine with a custom launcher and disabled vendor launcher. Also I cannot use custom ROMs due to the hassle with banking apps, 2FA apps, and NFC issues, those are one of the key use cases that I have for a smartphone.
@micglou
23 күн бұрын
Point of stock Android is that it's not meant for end users, it's meant for dev purposes, or rather the 'core OS' and ROMS are built on that... just like nobody uses "stock linux" as an end user. The Google Pixels are the closest thing to "stock" that's actually usable IRL.
@oib0y
23 күн бұрын
I use an s24 with Nova Launcher. I've used it on all 3 phones I've owned. Much better than OneUI hands down!
@blad...
23 күн бұрын
@@micglou Ye that's the POINT of them but that doesn't mean stock android wasn't appealing to a lot of people. Back then I wanted ONLY the most basic stuff to come with the phone, and I'm not a developer.
@Slay1337pl
22 күн бұрын
Honestly, this video should have started with what's being said at 5:30 and gone into the 'let's take a look at what functionality it gives us' later.
@samuraipizzacat2171
22 күн бұрын
This video is gonna confuse a hell of a lot of people that are looking at buying a "stock android" phone and think it's terrible now. Where it's actually just pixel android or very close.
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
23 күн бұрын
A lot of people in this comment section are trying to sound smart, but make a fool of themselves because they clearly didn't watch past the first 30 seconds.
@MsHojat
23 күн бұрын
*DivestOS* - It's like LineageOS, except it's more privacy-oriented. It has broader support than OSes like Calyx which supports only an extremely narrow number of devices, with the only mainstream/common one being Google Pixels. GrapheneOS is the same way in that it _exclusively_ only supports Pixels.
@youtubekarib7311
23 күн бұрын
Bro just install lineage os and forget about it for years
@Tchoppr
21 күн бұрын
I rooted so many phones back in the day and I learned way back then that stock Android just wasn't it. Half the features it does have were things they just copied from Samsung anyway. Edit: Ok I just finished the video. If you're already used to Samsung then wouldn't the obvious choice be the S24 Ultra? I'm literally typing this on one and it's amazing.
@mortemomnia
23 күн бұрын
Man, we really out here calling out @PhysicsGamer today, huh.
@sprinklednights
23 күн бұрын
Realistically speaking, the reason why people love Stock Android or custom ROMs is because many major Android skins are filled with bloatware and ads (most notorious one being MIUI), whereas with stock Android you get to choose your own calculator, web browser, dialer, et cetera. LineageOS is also quite bare bones too, but it felt like a blessing coming from MIUI.
@dtibor5903
23 күн бұрын
I used MIUI in the last 3 years and all the ads can be disabled
@dtibor5903
23 күн бұрын
With stock android you can choose crappy freemium apps from the play store. The good and free ones are impossible to find, or they run on android 4.0
@sprinklednights
23 күн бұрын
@@dtibor5903 If I remember correctly, that was only for the home screen, but not the apps themselves. I could be wrong though.
@DarkVoiderFrom03
23 күн бұрын
I went from MIUI to LineageOS and it was a breath of fresh air, no bloat, no unneccesary artificial limitations and it worked worderfully by the way I could finally use the Google clocks app on MIUI theres a 50/50 chance that it wont ring
@dtibor5903
22 күн бұрын
@@DarkVoiderFrom03 the MIUI clock app is perfectly reliable and works fine. I don't get it why would you replace it
@finn9872
23 күн бұрын
9:16 Noo Linus nooo
@AllenGuarnes
22 күн бұрын
I almost started writing angry comments on the video because the idea of using GSI as a baseline for "stock" is a very huge mistake. These days, what's considered "stock" would be more along the lines of Lineage, PixelOS, PA, etc. and "non-stock" would be a any fork of those. So I'm glad at least the leading custom ROMs were given recognition. I'm a personal user of PA recently and I love it.
@NabsterHax
22 күн бұрын
Except non-stock aren't forks of those you listed. They're forks of AOSP, which is what GSI is. They acknowledge that GSI isn't a functional experience, and the entire point is that ANY usable experience on Android is filled with custom stuff specific to that flavour of Android. One person's "stock android" is going to be completely different to someone else's. You either have a Pixel phone, or a Samsung phone, or a custom OS, but none of them are close to "stock android."
@AllenGuarnes
22 күн бұрын
@@NabsterHax I mean, I don't think we disagree. As I've said, I almost started getting angry UNTIL they acknowledge what people actually use in the custom ROM community. Stock, Non-stock, etc. pretty much semantic arguments at this point.
@AnItalianGuyOnYT
23 күн бұрын
1) the camera is the same camera it's been on android 5. long before gestures. first give away to the fact that it's for testing. (2) the phone is from android 5 so it's set to some other way. Bluetooth and the other things he mentioned are probably broken to the image not being for daily use. (4) the screen saver only works when charging or docked (been like that since android 4 or earlier). (5) just use the stock pixel for stock android or phones like unihertz or cubot
@RaulRodriguez-rv3qy
23 күн бұрын
Just my opinion here, but this is the result of using an over customizable interface. People complain about iOS being a walled garden, but iOS is usually a fairly intuitive experience. Unfortunately, IOS 18 is headed this way. Some of us prefer the simpler interface. Regardless, great video LTT.
@bublybublybubly
23 күн бұрын
I'd argue that people don't prefer simpler interfaces, they prefer what they are used to and they hate change. Thus, I think your post says a lot more about you than you realize XD Say 3 times without laughing: John Deer trying to go full walled garden is a great thing because it's a fairly intuitive experience.
@RaulRodriguez-rv3qy
23 күн бұрын
Fair point, although I will say that I have had less issues handing a new less tech savvy user a new iPhone rather than an android.
@Fuzzzdaddy
22 күн бұрын
GrapheneOS is not comparable to "Custom ROMs" or CalyxOS for that matter. It is a production ready OS focused on security and privacy. It's purpose is not removing Google or something as nebulous as "tracking". It would be great if LMG went over it and garnered a full understanding of the OS.
@adrianmiller1971
22 күн бұрын
Graphene and Calyx are for the tinfoil hatists - one of those two once told users to keep their device in a faraday bag when they werent using it. ROM's for the conspiracy theorist....
@yoshikunii
22 күн бұрын
Using GSI as a daily is like using a Windows PC/Laptop without installing drivers. That's the experience of using GSI. Don't complain if something doesn't work as it should. If you want to use stock Android, you need to create an image for a specific phone, so it will install drivers specifically for that phone. LineageOS has near stock experience if I not mistaken. Personally, I really like the experience of using stock Android, there are so many features that other vendors like Samsung put on it that I never use. I'm a simple user, as long as my phone can browsing, call, text and email, I'm fine. Keep it up Linus, make another video about using a custom ROM esp. GrapheneOS
@andy14169
23 күн бұрын
Why waste the effort in running a custom ROM when you can just leave your phone stock and run Nova launcher over the top of it? Security updates still work, but you get to customize everything. Win win.
@HearMeLearn
23 күн бұрын
not all android phones get security updates for all of time
@pascalwiery7129
23 күн бұрын
I have also been using nova launcher for years and i love it. But it has been sold to a bigger company about two years ago and just recently they fired all staff working on nova but one person. So i doubt nova will still be as good as it is right now in a few years sadly.
@rohithg8742
23 күн бұрын
8:50 can you tell what is that
@annonyouber6572
23 күн бұрын
@@rohithg8742 I would have to guess CyanogenMod
@NeonDriftKing
22 күн бұрын
"Stock Android" refers to a version of the Android operating system that is free from any manufacturer or carrier-specific modifications or bloatware. Unlike devices from companies like Samsung, which often come pre-loaded with their own app stores and a host of pre-installed apps that many users find unnecessary, Stock Android offers a cleaner, more streamlined experience. It includes only the essential apps such as Phone, Messages, Calendar, and a few others, leaving it up to the user to install any additional apps they want through the Google Play Store. This results in a more efficient system, free from the clutter that can slow down a device. My journey with smartphones started with the iPhone 3, then the iPhone 4, before switching to the Huawei Honor 8, which had a great camera for its time. After that, I moved to the Nokia 6.1, followed by the Nokia 9 Pureview. The Motorola One Zoom came next, offering the best camera quality for its price range while still providing a stock Android experience. Now, I’m using the Nothing Phone (2). The experience of using Android can vary greatly depending on the brand of the smartphone, even if they are running the same version of the OS. Each brand might customize the software, leading to differences in how the OS feels and functions.
@Retromags_Brian
16 күн бұрын
Yes. This is literally what the video was about.
@OtakuGenx
22 күн бұрын
After seeing the article on Slashdot "Google Threatened Tech Influencers Unless They 'Preferred' the Pixel" evidently Google scare tactics do not work on Linus!!!! YAY!!!!
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