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@silversheep7369
3 жыл бұрын
Only need
@TDeck1
3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to that video. What armors will you be wearing?
@frederickayer3602
3 жыл бұрын
Make the armor ac per 1k likes in 24hr. Plate mail for 8k likes!
@SCwirlify
3 жыл бұрын
I am a new DM. We are moving into chapter 2 in Rime of the Frost maiden. The issue of traveling is pertinent for me as a DM right now. Tho this video is kind of LOL, it helped me! - Thanks!
@chillman2011
3 жыл бұрын
2.6k as of now lol
@TheGreatDayne1983
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that you didn’t go into that abandoned building The GM obviously had a storyhook in there.
@FluffyTheGryphon
3 жыл бұрын
As a DM, I feel this in my soul. "You're not gonna go in there? Seriously? K.... :( "
@mrbidwell
3 жыл бұрын
That abandoned building is obviously for higher level characters
@joshuasinger4649
3 жыл бұрын
@@FluffyTheGryphon I once had a dungeon for my players inside a sealed well. I showed them tracks to the well, they skipped it. They camped and I showed them a guy coming out of it, and running when he saw them. They didn't do anything. They came back for a spot to camp again so I showed them the well unsealed. They still didn't go in. I had an npc say they heard the bad guys talking about a well. They still didn't go in.
@BrendanDonnelly51395
3 жыл бұрын
Ikr! I instantly was like oh cool an irl dungeon
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Saving it for a dungeon delve! Haha
@jaketionary2543
3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out that we've also learned about the value of bards: road trip songs! Someone to keep the party's spirits up, and their minds off the burning in their legs, can help get them over that last hill, especially on longer trips
@96Logan
3 жыл бұрын
I have taken long walks at night around my neighborhood with close friends and we end up talking about d&d, mtg, video games, ect. Sometimes we've walked several miles over that time and it's completely on accident. We are so invested in the conversation that the fatigue doesn't register...
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
So true! Morale played a big role in this trip, and certainly would day after day of walking!
@timkramar9729
3 жыл бұрын
In my case, it was my feet that got very sore after 20 something miles walking. Think it took me closer to 12 though. Walked faster in the beginning, but easy terrain and very flat land.
@timothymason7008
3 жыл бұрын
Yo Bob you should have been using that awesome singing voice of yours in this video to get you through it 😁
@rabenfuerst7332
3 жыл бұрын
that's only true if your bard is good - 8 hours of him singing Justin Biber stuff, and the world would have one bard less...
@bigbrowntau
2 жыл бұрын
DM: "As you continue to walk, just beyond where you're familiar with, a grey blocky building, weathered from disuse comes into view. It's easy to see the door is unlocked and ajar, almost inviting you to explore. What do you decide to do?" Players: "Oh, we'll just keep walking." DM to self: (Arrrrgh! I was up all night putting that encounter together!) DM: "Ah ok...you walk a little further, when suddenly out of nowhere, a freak storm blows in. You need to seek shelter..."
@damienamarty
Жыл бұрын
"We circle back to the abandoned building and-" DM: "It's locked, as a group of goblins seeking refuge from the storm beat you to it. It seems heavily defended at a glance, but the goblins seem nervous about getting into the rain to confront you outside. Roll initiave."
@Arkylie
Жыл бұрын
That would be my friend who prepped a fancy encounter with some sort of dinosaur-like herd, and when the group looked down on the dinosaurs and collectively decided to avoid them by taking the long route around the ridge, he described the next section as identical to the last section except no easy way around 😂
@cardboardbox191
Жыл бұрын
I remember a hamlet we weren't allowed in with our weapons. I still don't know if it was a trap.
@craig5322
2 жыл бұрын
D&D: "You can go 24 miles a day" Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli: "So anyway, I started running..."
@OldBearby
2 жыл бұрын
They legit didn't need mounts. Just ran across Middle-earth like "mad lads."
@Quandry1
2 жыл бұрын
@@OldBearby Well Just imagine your moving several miles every day. The burn goes away after a couple weeks. The time improves, the pace becomes more relaxing to upkeep. And the ability to burst adrenaline becomes more and more plausible, All without going to any real extreme strength or endurance wise.
@Phyllion-
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quandry1 That's really not how exhaustion works lol. Your body needs some actual resting time and spending your whole day running like they do every day without any break, besides fighting, which isn't exactly a break. Otherwise, you'll end up with major pains and your muscles will give up on you. There's a reason why you're sometimes out for days after major efforts, imagine constantly putting your body under that kind of stress.
@Quandry1
2 жыл бұрын
@@Phyllion- Your misrepresenting the situation. They do not spend the entire day running as adventurer's. They don't even come close to this and Bob World Builder Proved that it doesn't take running or even to be particularly in shape to accomplish it. And it's not without breaks. He took several breaks and still managed to make the time. And there is a such thing as conditioning that your ignoring quite a lot. Also. Hate to tell you this. But I did work that was basically straining day in and day out. I know what it is like to do it and what it's like to actually get worn down from it. You can adjust to a lot of it, and wearing down is not going to happen immediately unless you are woefully out of shape, otherwise it takes something particularly extreme that is above and beyond 8 hours of walking and a few periods of strenuous physical activity. You may be out for days after a major effort but I am not. And I am not particularly physically built so you can't make the excuse that it is because of that. People used to put their body under that kind of stress all the time. They used to work heavily for much longer periods than what most people do now adays without experiencing these quick breakdowns that you are proclaiming. There are jobs even today that buck the natural trend and work different types of schedules that could be akin to the type that an adventurer would do with little serious effect. Your Over simplifying it and then deeming it some kind of universal law. Yes you can break down after a certain point but it is not at the point that your claiming that it is. It takes either something extreme or something requiring very long periods of repeatedly doing it over extended time frames without deviation. (akin to months effectively, which Adventurer's don't actually do. They repeatedly downtime in different towns and stuff all throughout most adventure campaigns.)
@Phyllion-
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quandry1 While what you say is true under real circumstances, that was more about the initial joke of them spending their time running non-stop. Obviously the movies are exaggerating on the running to cut off the time the spent in the books detailing all sorts of events, talks, etc... The books rarely mentions them running after all, outside a few times when they're really in a hurry. The point was that if you really spent all your days running without breaks like the movies make it look like (cause yes there are lots of physically taxing jobs, but you still have days off and week ends to rest up physically and mentally) your body would just eventually break down eventually. Not to mention that 24 miles a day is DnD, who knows how much Aragorn and the gang did (I don't even remember if the actual distance of their numerous travels is ever said)
@TheRubberDuck77
2 жыл бұрын
One thing to remember with walking in DnD, it is based on a time where yes you COULD go by horse, but horses are expensive to buy and maintain so most people DO walk EVERYwhere. Most people, myself for sure included, don't walk or stay on their feet as much. Even tho I am on my feet for 8 hours a day in retail its not all walking, and that does make a difference. So there is something to be said about bodies being used to doing it.
@nickschuyler
Жыл бұрын
Horses were expensive? Maybe you should read some Viking history. There's a HUGE REASON why everyone lived near the water - regardless of the horse thing, it was the basic travel thing - walking with a backpack is about 1.8 MPH - while wearing Chain mail in the heat of summer, reduce results by about 85%
@sandpiperr
2 ай бұрын
I don't know about you but standing still on my feet for long periods hurts a lot more than walking long distances for me!
@razbuten
3 жыл бұрын
Make sure that in the next one you also hire folks to come out and attack you at various spots.
@Hellion232Z
3 жыл бұрын
And make sure to bring a full set of adventuring gear. But don't carry it yourself, pay 2 silver pieces and have a hireling carry it for you.
@irregularassassin6380
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hellion232Z I am going to drive my DM nuts with that the next campaign we play.
@natesturm448
2 жыл бұрын
No thanks, did that in Afghanistan.
@HighmageDerin
2 жыл бұрын
indeed, some larp battles every 5 hours or so would show just how realistic travle times are. Id say down to 10 miles in a day of walking. and we could see if Disadvantage on attack rolls is a good rule because your tired from all that walking!
@Quandry1
2 жыл бұрын
Before he stages attacks. He needs to get used to making the trip. He wouldn't have the burn or be as nearly worn out as he was in this video. Which would be more representative of a real adventurer.
@robertkendzie3
3 жыл бұрын
Before you get all gung-ho about long distance horse travel, you should really do a video where you ride a horse for 8 hours and see how your butt feels at the end of that day. :D
@candiedginger8729
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, riding a horse is far more of a full body workout than walking is.
@claressadubs
3 жыл бұрын
Would actually love to see this too! =D
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Haha okay yeah that sounds terrible
@matthewryall167
3 жыл бұрын
They say if your riding a horse 🐎 and it dosn't hurt, then you're not doing it right
@ambiej123
3 жыл бұрын
I think both don’t factor in life that is unused to cars. A vehicle free society, 1-2 mile walks are normal. Travel based on constitution makes sense. Or travel based on level would work too, as a character becomes more and more used to walking/jogging/riding.
@andrewshandle
3 жыл бұрын
You could argue that the characters are used to the walks so they'd be "better" at it than you are. You, yourself said the most you have ever done is 13 miles, but in a world where the primary means of transportation is walking, even people in below average shape would be able to walk further.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
No need to argue that point- you’re absolutely correct!
@andrewshandle
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder Weird coincidence, I saw an article a few months ago that compared the distance people would walk in a given day on average in each generation but can't seem to find it, I was hoping to post an edit with the data. Oh well. ;)
@fredericleclerc9037
3 жыл бұрын
DEPENDS on the characters... your Wizard that spent the last 10 years in a tower studying magic would be WORST ;) Stats matters, skills matters, Race matters, encumbrance matters, Terrain matters... so... yeah :P // ''Even people in below average shape would be able to walk further.'' No... that's what bellow average shape means (I bring back that Wizard) BUT if they did have to travel alot by foot (which I don't see happening) then they AREN'T below average shape. I think most family would have a horse (not one per person) just like today most have a car. Fantasy settings are rarely taking place in world where peasants own nothing. Also considering the danger of travel... you wouldn't do it on foot UNLESS in a big group to be able to defend yourself. And since traveling can be dangerous... people would be breading horses A LOT... making them very common hence affordable.
@andrewshandle
3 жыл бұрын
@@fredericleclerc9037 So first off, it's all a fake world, but the idea that people are literally trapped in a tower their entire life studying magic is a bit silly, they'd still need to walk to basically get _anything_ (like spell components and food), and unlike today where they could just hop in the car or take public transportation and head to the local store, they'd have to walk everywhere back then. Most everyone wouldn't have horses for daily travel either, they're expensive a lot of work to house, feed and maintain. On my family farm back in the day, they had two horses that were used for farming and to get all the kids to school in the winter when there was snow (they had a sleigh), but otherwise they had to walk everywhere, and this was just a century ago. The way muscles and the human body work is that they adapt to how they are used, even if someone isn't physically very strong, if they walk long distances every day, they can still be very good and efficient at walking those distances and still not be good at anything else. That's why a 70 year old man named Vinod Bajaj who is in not in particularly good shape (Google his pictures) and has only been "walking" for 4 years can walk over 30 miles day every day of COVID lockdown and walk the circumference of the earth. That's almost 25,000 miles in 16 months! It's also why the one day record for walking is just shy of 143 miles in a single 24 hour period by a guy named Jesse Castaneda who continued to "long walk" well into his late 70s. And if you want to see the inverse, look at Astronauts who suffer massive muscle decay once they get into space because our bodies react to the stimulus we feed it and the environment we live in. Put it this way, I think Bob would say he's not in particular good shape (no offense), but if he walked a few miles a day, and once a week did a "long" walk in just a few months he'd easily be able to do the walk he struggle with a bit today simply because his body would adapt to walking.
@rkstevenson5448
3 жыл бұрын
@@fredericleclerc9037 I think the point was that even people in a fantasy setting who are below average in physical health would still be able to walk farther than someone in average physical shape in the real world. I'm not sure where you have the notion that most fantasy settings include peasants that own horses and the like. It seems like you're painting a very wide swath based solely on your personal experience (which I do not share; most games I've played in and run, commoners do not have the kind of wealth necessary to own and care for a horse). Regardless, it remains true that people who primarily travel by foot are going to have a better ability to do so than people who do not, even if the latter people are generally in better physical condition. Being physically fit does not automatically make you better at every physical task. It takes repetition. It's why we do practice road marches in the military. Even though we're doing PT five days a week, that doesn't immediately translate to being good at walking long distances carrying a lot of gear. You have to get your body accustomed to that.
@quentindaniel9541
2 жыл бұрын
I'll say this about the leg burning and stuff like that, I walk about 14 miles a shift while also lifting hundreds and thousands of bags of dog food and other goods like cat litter and such that weigh about 50ish pounds, you get used to that constant stress on your body so adventurers wouldn't have much of a challenge once this becomes their life. I'm not even in great shape right now I just am used to doing this work but when I first started my feet and calves and thighs hurt all the time because I'm always moving. But now it's easy.
@hahaureadmyname
2 жыл бұрын
would you consider yourself pretty strong?
@Quandry1
2 жыл бұрын
I went through the same kind of thing, Both as a cart pusher and as an unloader for one of the big chain stores. I'm far from what could be called particularly strong. But it's the type of work the average villager or farmer would be doing every day of their lives just as a necessity for living themselves.
@wickjezek1101
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quandry1 yeah most people may not realize what the life of the average peasant is like. Just farming, animals, clothing, you have to work hard to just survive.
@zacharylavoie6889
3 жыл бұрын
Setting up a 24 mile dnd-themed group hike sounds like an amazing idea...
@fishman241
3 жыл бұрын
So, seems pretty reasonable that adventurers which are at peak physical fitness within their limitations and walk distances like this on the regular can 100% keep up a 24 mile per 8 hour pace. That said, you have also discovered why no party which can teleport chooses to walk anywhere.
@NovaGirl8
3 жыл бұрын
or have flying equipment. My last party bemoaned travelling
@jagoob
3 жыл бұрын
This is why no dumps their con score.
@adamhbrennan
3 жыл бұрын
But what about all the armor and gear?
@richthomas4363
3 жыл бұрын
You also have to remember that the PCs live in a quasi medieval world where for most people walking for miles is a normal daily activity.
He actually had full adventuring gear with him it was just in the drawstring bag of holding
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Haha dang that’s what I should have said
@stoatystoat174
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder And inside the bag looked a lot like the inside of a car
@TheGray524
3 жыл бұрын
Can we award inspiration points to DMs? If so, each of us needs to give Bob one or two for doing this.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gray! :)
@jackielinde7568
3 жыл бұрын
To quote Matt Mercer during his Exandria Unlimited playthrough: "No!No!No!No! Don't do that!"
@nicolrb2210
2 жыл бұрын
Like a true D&D adventurer, he’s passing by ancient ruins as he walks
@ezrarichardson279
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who’s done a 30miler in less then 8 hours it’s definitely pretty realistic. Even with a backpack with 6-9kg in it it would be feasible (but without training it would be extremely hard). I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that D&D characters seem pretty fit in general (or atleast used to walking long distances).
@ekrotte8714
2 жыл бұрын
Typical DnD backpacks should weigh multiples of your suggested weight. Some classes are doing these distances in plate armour even.
@ezrarichardson279
2 жыл бұрын
@@ekrotte8714 I still think it's doable (for a day or two). But they all have to be pretty fit and eat a lot. Usually when your doing long hikes multiple days in a row it gets harder and harder so they couldn't necessarily maintain it.
@4200Felix
2 жыл бұрын
@@ezrarichardson279 I mean, raw an average strenght DND character can carry 75 ~ kg when doing this. Even with the encumberance rules, encumberance doesn't slow you overland speed (RAW). Even if it did, it would still be possible carrying 25 kg~. In 5e.
@ezrarichardson279
2 жыл бұрын
@@4200Felix That's not very realistic! I would love to meet an "average" person who could carry 75kgs 24miles in a day let alone lots of days in a row. Even with no bag at all a 20 miler isn't easy by any means (although very doable).
@brohvakiindova4452
2 жыл бұрын
@@ezrarichardson279 So I googled a bit and the best I could find was about a notorious hiker on the apalachian trail called "uhaul" if it's true he actually carried about 75kg and would make 6-8 miles a day and based on a guy who met him once 5 miles in 4 hours he was also described as having "mike tyson physique" I think 24 miles with 75kg a day would be stuff for professional strongmen on amphetamine xD
@scottwoods9071
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Bob, I was in the Army and we had to "road march" 35 miles. Most of it was more dirt trail than road and we did it in 15 hours with 10 min breaks every hour and full gear.
@kellyweaver8422
3 жыл бұрын
What was the weight of that gear if you don't mind Scott?
@logannichols5848
3 жыл бұрын
I was a pog, and we did 65 lb. I rucked it every Saturday with 80 - 90.
@scottwoods9071
3 жыл бұрын
@@kellyweaver8422 I honestly can't remember the rucksack weight but the 81mm mortar tube I carried weighed 28 lbs. and the base plate another person carried weighed 25 lbs. and the bi-pod weighed 40 lbs. I had a 9mm Beretta and the other two had m-16A2s witch weighed 7 lbs. Plus our k-pots, web gear, boots and the rucksacks.
@kellyweaver8422
3 жыл бұрын
@@scottwoods9071 we didn't "road march" in the Navy. All my gear was stowed under my bunk.
@nat1baby
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear this
@toofuairi
3 жыл бұрын
A follow up on how you felt the day after would be neat. A lot of people don't know how taxing long distance multiple day foot travel can be.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
It wasn’t as sore as I thought, but walking a full second day (or more repeatedly) would have been very very difficult!
@CaedenV
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder Actually the soreness is an acid build-up in your legs. If you keep moving like you did, then it works its way out of your muscles, and it really doesn't hurt as much. After a few days it really wouldn't hurt much at all. That isn't to say that your feet or joints would not be dying in pain, or that you would not have fatigue and be clumsy and more prone to hurt yourself, but muscle pain would not likely be one of your problems after 2-3 days of long walks like that lol.
@melissaharris3389
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder most people, thus characters, can push themselves to do 24m in 8hr it's doing it consecutively for many days that will kill you!
@_motho_
3 жыл бұрын
@@CaedenV that’s just misinformation lmao. The burn in your muscles is lactic acid, yes, but the lingering soreness is the result of micro-tears in the muscle. These are actually good though, because when your body repairs these tears, it builds them back stronger.
@THEMRB2100
3 жыл бұрын
@@_motho_ it’s not really misinformation, yes there are muscular tears from the exertion, but it’s also a very low stress activity. It’s not going to have the same impact as say, lifting at 85-90% of your maximum lifts for a gym session. Speaking from experience, the other guy is right. I found after doing 15-20 miles for 2 or 3 days with different loads of 60-90lbs that the day of is worse unless I moved a lot, but hiking again the next day felt the same as the first day. If it’s someone who never walks/runs/works out then yes, it’ll hurt because they don’t have built up muscle, but for the average person they’ll be fine within a day in my un-medically and in no way certified opinion.
@pdubb9754
3 жыл бұрын
The comment that if goblins attacked they would wreck you reminded me how I’ve felt towards the end of a long hike. Perhaps a required con save or suffer exhaustion at the 2/3 mark is in order for grittier realism. This has been my favorite of the realism in frpg series but am looking forward to more world building and game management stuff.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah trying to defend myself at all would have been near impossible at that point. More topics to come!
@Sceptile29
3 жыл бұрын
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug
@showalk
3 жыл бұрын
Adrenaline saves lives. Also, these adventures are presumably incredibly fit, at least compared to the average citizen.
@dkman123
3 жыл бұрын
Conditioning is a huge part of being able to do it without exhaustion. Instead of going straight to exhaustion I'd home brew a -1 to AC and maybe a -1 to hit rolls. At the end of travel or right before rest you would be the most vulnerable.
@pdubb9754
3 жыл бұрын
@@dkman123 The constitution saves I mentioned accounted for conditioning, to my way of thinking. You can set the DC based on how gritty you want your game to be, accounting for highly conditioned athletes or the norm. But the game is infinitely customizable. Many ways to skin a character... er... I mean skin a cat.
@TheAkashicTraveller
3 жыл бұрын
The whole walking without a pack is probably pretty realistic actualy, historically you'd travel with pack animals. Walking solo with all your gear on you is fairly modern.
@icannotchoose
3 жыл бұрын
But also adventurers in dnd don't typically bring animals with them for some silly reason
@cedarsplint1284
3 жыл бұрын
to be fair 9 times out of 10 whenever one of my D&D groups tries to bring animals along (either as pack animals or transportation) they end up meeting an untimely death so I get why going solo might be better in a world with monsters and such 😅
@tylerian4648
3 жыл бұрын
@@cedarsplint1284 A former DM for our group would always kill our horses if we invested in them.
@icannotchoose
3 жыл бұрын
@@cedarsplint1284 I've noticed that too and it's a bit of pet peeve because it breaks immersion for me. How did anyone ever travel with an domesticate these animals if they are almost guaranteed to die on the trip? Making it more dangerous off-road is fine, but on trade routes? There should be like a 1/100 chance! Or at least there should be some precaution one can take.
@cedarsplint1284
3 жыл бұрын
@@icannotchoose Oh yeah, I 100% agree with you. When I DM my own games I try to keep stuff like that in mind when making encounter tables and keeping roadside threats a little more mundane.
@Portablesounds
2 жыл бұрын
I actually did a third of the AT in 2017! As you point out earlier in the video, elevation makes a huge difference. The AT is surprisingly the steepest of the long trails in the USA, so if an AT hiker were on just flat ground, they'd likely cover something around 24 miles!
@emory5533
2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! I really want to try thru hiking the AT before I die
@brothertaddeus
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has gone on multiple 20+ mile rucks with ~150 pounds of gear (including armor), I feel like the D&D travel rules are pretty realistic.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you’re a real hero!
@pwnerman1717
3 жыл бұрын
Yup, it's definitely doable with training. Speaking from experience. In U.S. Army basic training you are required to complete a weighted ruck march of 12 miles in under 3 hours. The weighted load is to simulate a fighting load which is about 70 pounds usually, unless you are part of a 2 man machine gun team then you are probably pushing 85-90 between weapon and/or ammo depending on if you are the gunner or feeding the ammo. The D&D rules are definitely realistic considering that your adventurers are probably in damn good shape.
@benwagner5089
3 жыл бұрын
The adventurer is in good shape, yes, but not necessarily Army Ranger good shape. Some of these guys may be fighters used to the hard travel on untamed lands. The bards carrying their instruments just starting their adventuring life wouldn't be used to that yet, nor would the old wizard that's on his final trip. 20 miles makes for easy math, but 15 miles might be kinder on those with less Constitution. I would definitely have their walking endurance be based on their Constitution score.
@pwnerman1717
3 жыл бұрын
@@benwagner5089 doesn't have to be a ranger lol. I wasn't in great shape when I joined the army. I got to the point where I was able to do that 12 mile march with ease. It occured at the end of week 8 of basic. So only 8 weeks of morning pt and marching with a fighting load's worth of weight everyday got me to that point. The point about some of the softer classes not having to the stamina at the start of a campaign is legitimate though. I still think they could power through a long walk.
@benwagner5089
3 жыл бұрын
@@pwnerman1717 But as Bob experienced when he came back to the "goblin ambush," after walking for so long he wouldn't have been in good condition to fight them off. Especially since the boss fights typically occur at the end of a long trek of fighting smaller skirmishes.
@thehiddendwarf7313
3 жыл бұрын
The nature/survival checks are on point boi. And imagine sitting just next to an abandoned building what the DM obviously set up and just resting there DM:"b...but...it dungeon....there loot....me work hard...agh fine"
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Haha “we just want to get to the town!!”
@fredericleclerc9037
3 жыл бұрын
You would have a ''semi'' abandonned building like that every 8 hours along the road, maybe even more often... serving as a travelers resting spot. On every important road you'd have those along the way... with maybe a small shrine to some local divinity, a travel divinity or whatever divinity the ''sponsor'' of the cabin prefer. So you'd have camping spot that are more or less always the same along the road. And these would get occupied by bandits from time to time... nice mini quest there. GM should really more often describe old camping sites of other travelers... it bring life to the world.
@thehiddendwarf7313
3 жыл бұрын
@@fredericleclerc9037 I'll take these notes to heart my good man, many thanks
@nebuloushammer8773
3 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking I'll make a revenge binder for just these situations. Just wait until they meet "Qu the quiet", who never shuts up and is constantly talking about fishing and repeating the same 2 stories over and over again. May or may not be based on an actual uncle Mike.
@thehiddendwarf7313
3 жыл бұрын
@@nebuloushammer8773 he was also cursed by an old Sea king fish that if he were to die his spirit would haunt those who have taken it and keep hearing the stories till their last breath. There, muderhobo proof
@alistairgrey5089
3 жыл бұрын
You also have to keep in mind that adventurers are likely walking this much every day for weeks or months on end. The pain in your legs is likely because they aren't used to it. Whereas an adventurer's legs would be very accustomed to walking long distances.
@snagsTS
2 жыл бұрын
I used to work in construction. Building roads, developing new neighbourhoods etc. There were days where I walked between 30-40kms a day. The first few weeks I suffered. My legs ached, my feet ached, come to think of it, everything started to ache. After about two weeks my body started getting used to it and I actually started feeling good so your statement checks out.
@soundrogue4472
2 жыл бұрын
Bob: "I'm not going down this path because of poison ivy" Also Bob: 5:54 *Proceeds to sit next to poison Ivy*
@BionicleFreek99
3 жыл бұрын
I've walked 20 miles in a day before, and I know it's very possible even for an amateur hiker, given breaks like you mentioned. I had blisters and callouses all over my feet by the end, but I had only been on 12-17 increasingly bigger hikes before that point, I think that I reasonably trained or battle-worn individual like a DnD adventurer would have a much easier time at it, especially being constantly pumped with healing magic every few hours after combat :P .
@Gr3nadgr3gory
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that about how much I walk during a day at Cedar Point (or your preferred theme park)
@istrysii
2 жыл бұрын
then you take a leather armor on or a chainmail with you ... load up your backpack and the gear on you ... a oki heavy weapon on your side ... and do it agian ...
@BionicleFreek99
2 жыл бұрын
@@istrysii I did have a pack of gear with my you goober. It literally took all day, we needed to be able to eat somehow.
@rbach2
2 жыл бұрын
"but i had only been on 12-17 increasingly bigger hikes" gives me so much information about what kind of person you are :)
@istrysii
2 жыл бұрын
@@rbach2 i do midt evil Show, and i ahve done Full contact in full armour with real weapons ... i know how heavy a chain armor or a plate armour is ... and it is not just something to throw in a backpack and walk with ... with all the other things you having with you ... when you take all your normal gear for a hike ... then you load 99.21 lb exter gear onto that and do the same walk ... and thats a LIGHT load ..
@astarfling5908
3 жыл бұрын
Bob - “I don’t know what’s in there” God - “roll for initiative”
@benjaminsiera1691
2 жыл бұрын
hahahaha
@321Isotope
2 жыл бұрын
Bob - “I got a three” God - “K, the hillbilly-crackheads go first.” Bob - “…Wut?”
@kaninom_KAS
3 жыл бұрын
This was great. "Nature check" would be a great name for a walking series
@KalonOrdona2
3 жыл бұрын
Nailed it! Especially when you consider: 1. we're all level zero, basically -- just stats and an intelligence mod's worth of skill ranks (like Nature). a proper adventurer would be much more acclimated, as... 2. would basically anyone without cars and tv (and youtube... drat) 3. you would have more gear, but also more motivation, more practice, and more company. Great video! :D
@nowthenzen
3 жыл бұрын
don't know about you, but pretty sure I have a hold person spell, so ..
@connorhill6520
2 жыл бұрын
@@nowthenzen 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
@ajuc005
3 жыл бұрын
This year I walked 20-30km almost every weekend to lose weight. I started with 130 kg and now I'm around 96 kg. My average speed was about 4km/h at the start and about 5km/h now. But I wouldn't walk for 8 hours straight if I have any choice, legs start to ache and you run a risk of a small injury that will only slow you down(happened to me several times, mostly went away next weekend). Much better to walk for 2-3hours, stop for 1 hour, go again, etc.
@TheTipsyTrope
3 жыл бұрын
"If there were goblins here I would be wrecked right now" I literally LOL'ed. Great video, next time take some Lembas Bread
@Unsensitive
3 жыл бұрын
Other considerations • Terrain: Hilly vs Flat vs Mountain vs Marsh • Old vs New Growth forests • Trail vs Road vs neither • Weather And leat we forget... Armor.. omg doing this in full plate? LOL Imagine even a heavy gambison & ring maille armor.. so much overheating
@chrisflanagan7564
3 жыл бұрын
@Yam Samam wearing armour is easier than carrying it, because the weight is better distributed... Well not really, but that's the conceit ;)
@Unsensitive
3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisflanagan7564 This is why you had an armor bearer. Otherwise, I'd wager anyone traveling wore lighter armor.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
We have another video for difficult terrain lol
@Unsensitive
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder That was an interesting one as well. I didn't recall comments regarding overland travel time and difficult terrain, But it is possible I missed it.
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisflanagan7564 It is easier than carrying it in your pack because of the weight distribution. Having 40 EXTRA pounds on your back, dangling from your shoulders is different than wearing it wrapped around you... That said, heat exhaustion is more likely if you are wearing it.
@johnathanrhoades7751
3 жыл бұрын
So, for a regular backpacker, on easy terrain, 24 miles is quite doable. If terrain or weather isn't conducive (varied elevation, trail or no trail, undergrowth, rain, etc.) Then that is what difficult terrain is used for. (Half speed) hence why through hikers average less as much of the trail would count as difficult terrain. You can get it done in 8 hours, but again, it's something you have to get used to. I miss backpacking...
@liamflynn1120
3 жыл бұрын
3:15 when the players ignore the DM's roadside ruin encounter even though they spent 4 hours designing it
@yuki97kira
2 жыл бұрын
DM, sadly putting aside the map.. And the story part on there: *sad DM noises*
@themercer4972
2 жыл бұрын
After I did a similar hiking experiment years ago, I started placing bandit & goblin ambushes near the end of a journey, say about 1 hour away from a town or inn, to catch the travelers when they were most tired. The players became more alert at these times, but the characters still suffered the fatigue penalties going into the fight. Also crossing a small river can be a lot more trouble than you expect. Not deadly but inconvenient, as you will go to some length to avoid getting wet. Another good ambush situation.
@Quandry1
2 жыл бұрын
Rivers are rarely represented as the traveling bane that they really are. There are times that crossing one could count as a days journey all on it's own but it's never reflected. Whether that's having to travel up and down it's length to find a spot fit for crossing, the effort it takes to stay dry, the effort it takes to fight the current to cross it, Finding a place to cross that's actually big enough for your wagon, or whatever else it might take. yes a few rivers might have bridges over them. But plenty of others won't, and even if they do, it might be a decent length out of the parties way to use it.
@MiketehTV
3 жыл бұрын
When building my characters I almost always go for a horse and cart. One of my favorite things to do is to play a crafter that sells stuff out of his cart, turning it into a market stall in towns and selling wares right out of it. The downside of cart travel is having to stick to roads and paths wide enough for a cart, though. I did make a self propelled flying cart in one campaign.
@treyellis3
3 жыл бұрын
As a house rules idea if you're going for a more gritty feel, maybe have the players roll a constitution save after walking 8hrs nonstop, if they fail impose disadvantage on con checks and reduce speed by 1d4.
@benjaminkowal7310
3 жыл бұрын
Except...as Bob noted stops can make it worse too...
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah there’s definitely more room for grittier mechanics!
@treyellis3
3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminkowal7310 true it does suck to stop and stand still but it's more of a mental thing really, if you stop for like 5 minutes to drop your pack, sit down and air out your feet it'll make you feel a whole lot better and help you hike a little further. Taking a short rest (≥1hr) would be even better obviously because it would give you time to eat and hydrate.
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder I would adjust the mechanics to give you your first check for exhaustion *AT* 8 hours, then check again every 30 minutes (not every hour). Anyone that is far more used to foot/horse travel as being a primary means of transportation would be used to traveling to the level that that 24 mile distance is reasonable, but tiring. One major impact on your approach is starting out too quickly. It makes a much bigger difference than you think it does. In running it's just as true. I don't know how many people I would outpace in the 2 mile run for the Army because I started at a pace I knew I could keep for 3 miles until the last 1/2-1/4 mile, when I increased my pace while they jumped out the gate at full speed and got slower over time.
@eldritchminion1480
3 жыл бұрын
@@treyellis3 It's not entirely mental; stopping gives your body permission to work out the lactic acid you've worked up, and that hurts.
@ElizabethJimenezNowButler
3 жыл бұрын
Dude, I section hiked the Appalachian trail, and it took a couple of weeks to build up to 15 mile days on average. I think 18 miles was our record day and it was gnarly. Might be something to consider for more realism that higher level characters can move faster or go farther than lower level characters in a campaign
@chriswilliamson9993
3 жыл бұрын
Haven't been to Appalcha, but isn't it supposed to be full of hills? I'm guessing the trail isn't flat, whilst the 24 milles per day travel rate is based on flat terrain. As someone who hiked the South Downs Way as a teenager, 24 miles per day sounds pretty realistic.
@marthachampagne316
2 жыл бұрын
lvl 0 character over difficult terrain, you clearly took a forced march. lol
@w0ykj
2 жыл бұрын
@@chriswilliamson9993 Yes the Appalachians are an ancient mountain range so the trail goes through quite a bit of steep elevation changes
@Aleksandrus12
3 жыл бұрын
From my experience: for an average human without any physical preparations for travel, 18 miles in 8 hours with 60 pounds of stuff are really reasonable. But if you had workout and travelled all of your life, I see that's possible to walk 24 miles with heavier backpack in 8 hours. Also whether completely changes your walking speed and comfort, as Bob said, but very hot sunny day is much more preferable than any rainy day. For example, after all day walk in the rain, you'll get many corns and have your feet skinned, so the very next day you will walk slower and surely less comfortable. EDIT: Thanks to @pawakin and @Eric Taysom I realized that I made a mistake. I forgot that we're getting up earlier and for sure it was 12 hours per day. Also I could overestimate heaviness of the backpack because simply I tried to remember what I had and quickly add up masses. It could be around 40 pounds or maybe even less. Sorry for my mistakes. Now 24 miles in 8 hours seems much more unrealistic.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Ohh great point. I didn’t think about how the moisture would really wreck your feet. Dry socks forever!
@Aleksandrus12
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder Yeah and there're a lot more of downsides of rain. Wet clothes, how to keep stuff in your backpack dry, putting up tent in the rain, camping on wet dirt and much more xD Normally I hate scorching sun but while traveling on foot, it's a blessing!
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder It's important to change your socks regularly. Ask anyone who has been in the military. We had to change our socks a couple of times a day and we definitely did this "forced march" with gear.
@ostrowulf
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertmasengale9366 Always had extra socks, and for years would buy new socks for every three week ex., because there are few joys like putting on a nice pair of dry clean socks. I also packed a pair of gortex socks, so if I ended up soaking my boots, I could take them off, but on dry socks, then put on the gortex ones as a layer between dry socks and wet boots.
@ostrowulf
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder Also why taking off your boots to cross a stream can be a good idea.
@brandonpohl2633
2 жыл бұрын
I once spent two weeks walking across Michigan, and this pretty much mirrors my experience. I was carrying probably an average weight of 50lb (which includes food and water weight) during my trip. I could manage 20 miles a day easy enough, but trying to do much more than that quickly became miserable. By far the worst part was my feet, the blisters were awful, and as soon as one healed, another would open up on a different part of my foot. One thing I would give to D&D characters is that they are probably much more conditioned for walking long distances compared to modern humans. People on the Appalachian trail find this as well. Starting out, most people average around 5-10 miles per day, but by the end, many can do 20+ miles a day, and that is with major elevation changes.
@ianthevedge
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, professional landscaper here, that’s a “mock strawberry”, potentilla indica. Still edible, but usually described as tasting like water
@iPyromantic
3 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say that! I wasn't 100% sure, but the way the berry was growing gave me pause.
@blipblap614
2 жыл бұрын
10:50
@stevenfoster5217
3 жыл бұрын
So after watching, I think about how difficult it would be for "HOBBITS" to maintain a 1 mile every 20 minutes pace compared to humans and elves, along with gear. Thanks for your sacrifice. Enjoyed it.🚶♂️ How are you at climbing?
@JohannesJ7539
3 жыл бұрын
Thankfully they had Bill the pony to help them carry their stuff at the beginning.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah long distance travel would definitely be different for different races! And climbing is fun! There will be a few other topics coming in this series before we try that though :P
@pigactor
3 жыл бұрын
Hobbits have hobbit feet, though.
@MMallon425
3 жыл бұрын
I'm running a Pathfinder 1E game right now that incorporates all the same rules seen here in this video, since it's adapted from 3E/v3.5 (which also used the "3 miles per hour" logic). 3mph is based on a speed of 30' per round, however, and that is not the case for many races. The party includes a dwarf, for example, who only moves 20'/round, so his top speed is 2mph. And unlike in this video, the party doesn't have a road or even a reliable wilderness trail to travel on; they're hiking through dense forest, which in Pathfinder means their speed is reduced by 50%. So the party is actually managing 8 miles per day in the early, rainy days of summer. It sucks, and if they were foraging for food as they go, they would probably be moving only 4 miles per day.
@stevenfoster5217
3 жыл бұрын
@@MMallon425 and without a road/path/trail to follow, what are their chances of getting lost? Unless you have someone with forest knowledge.
@zakosist
3 жыл бұрын
24 miles (38 kilometers) is actually slightly shorter than a marathon, which is about 26 miles (42 kilometers). As a kid I once went on a forest trip with my dad where we walked about 20 kilometers in a day. So its realistic but still exhausting to travel that far in a day if you really want to
@IndigoIndustrial
2 жыл бұрын
I've run a few marathons. Without the volunteers giving out drinks and food every few km it would be less fun.
@Fabiundso
2 жыл бұрын
@@IndigoIndustrial Implying that running for 4 hours straight is fun to begin with. :D But to each their own. Good for you. :)
@IndigoIndustrial
2 жыл бұрын
@@Fabiundso You have a good point.
@vanivanov9571
3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in a game that got the details of pathfinding and camping right. With some time management, making use of rivers and terrain, trying to maintain a sense of direction, producing stuff in camp so you don't need to carry it, etc..
@thesteeleisreal
3 жыл бұрын
Check out the Dolmenwood Hexcrawl & Camping systems for Old School Essentials. They show up in the Wormskin magazines, vols. 5 & 8 I think.
@vanivanov9571
3 жыл бұрын
@@thesteeleisreal Thanks.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it could be a whole game system in itself!
@vanivanov9571
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder It really could. Combat could potentially be simplified to a couple of rolls, based off stats that include fatigue/energy from if you're well rested, and health/strength for if you're well fed, as well as the quality of your ambush.
@NovaGirl8
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a westmarch campaign?
@matthewfennell8283
Жыл бұрын
The nature checks were hilarious. I used to run a nature lodge at a summer camp, was fun making use of my proficincy bonus.
@GeorgisTrying
3 жыл бұрын
Seriously *great* editing. Good cuts and the audio is so sharp for an outdoor shoot :) better than most KZitemrs at a desk 😂
@DUNGEONCRAFT1
3 жыл бұрын
Best Bob video ever! I just wrapped a hexcrawl video where I remarked a fully armored character trying to walk 24 hours in a day is ridiculous. Roman Legions wore armor and 80 lbs of equipment--the closest thing to a D&D character, but would only march 8-11 miles per day. If you attempt such a task, may I recommend a new sponsor? Manscaped Crop Preserver. Prevents chafing. Highly recommended.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Hahah thanks for watching, Professor! I hope you wore your +1 (or +2) vest of protection because there are apparently a lot of experienced walkers in these comments!
@scollyb
3 жыл бұрын
The Roman torn down and built a fortified camp every day on the march. The last soldiers in the legion would leave hours after the first. According to Vegetius the standard required was 20 miles (18 modern) in 5 summer daylight hours (6 modern) at standard step and 24 miles (22 modern). Looking at modern soldiers 24 miles on a good road with an 80lb pack is tough but achievable.
@Naeron66
3 жыл бұрын
French Foreign Legion Recruits during pre-selection must march 19 miles in 4 hours in kit with a 50lb pack as well. Roman Legionaries were stated as being able to march at least 20 miles a day in formation (armies march slower than small groups). Vegetius specifically mentions training marches of 10 miles from the Camp and then returning in one day. On campaign they probably marched a shorter distance each day as they had to set up camp for the night and had more supplies so would be limited to the speed of their supply animals or carts. Do not judge the endurance of people who walked everywhere every day by modern people who don't.
@critsandgiggles5342
3 жыл бұрын
Love how excited you get from all the things you're seeing on the walk. You can really see the joy you have making theses videos. Thanks for sharing, have an awesome day Bob!! To all the lovely people who read this comment, you are amazing as well and I hope you have an awesome day too!
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Love your positivity!
@sw33n3yto00
3 жыл бұрын
Working security, I often cover sixteen to twenty miles a shift with gear. Yes, you get exhausted, but recover quickly, as in the ride home, to play with the kids.
@sirforcer
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has done a number of long hikes (both backpacking where I carried my gear and day hikes with no gear as shown in the video) I don't find the pace that bad. Especially if you are a fit adventurer who is traveling often. If you work your way up to it, its surprisingly doable. I used to do this annual 50 mile hike, where basically in the months leading up to it we would do practice hikes starting at 10mi and going up by 5mi every hike up to 25mi for the final practice hike. We would stop every few hours for 30 minutes at a time to snack and rest our legs, which meant the longer hikes definitely filled the whole day. Those were without any gear, so with gear I would agree with the 18mi per day speed making sense for a fully geared adventurer assuming they are walking often and are used to this kind of travel (and likely stronger/more in shape than me)
@annslow41
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video! As a novice outdoorsman, I've only done a hike like this a handful of times, and you pretty much nailed the feeling of "the suck" toward the end: everything feels like lead weights and your lower half feels completely disassociated and just pain. What's even worse is that D&D adventures and backpackers alike typically spend days upon days at this pace, which you can only imagine how waking up the next morning just to do it again feels like
@brendanmckenna7613
3 жыл бұрын
When are you going to do the "Just how dangerous is Curse of Strahd's Death House?" in that house on the trail?
@VaughnRipley
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Bob! Good points throughout. But don't forget that today's man (and woman) are much less hearty when it comes to things like hiking with weight on your back. Even the most avid hiker doesn't have the hardman-like skills and physiques of folks from yesteryear. In a D&D setting, all players walk (or ride) everywhere. Their bodies have adapted. I have a feeling if you did a video where you do the same trek distance on horseback you will find your back, calves, and butt broken (and that's with a modern/comfortable saddle)..... It's great to see these videos where you do the actual "thing" and discuss valid points and idea. Please keep up the excellent work and videos! Roll on...
@dreaming-of-spots6805
3 жыл бұрын
24 miles on a horse actually isn't that bad as long as you stretch your knees and ankles out every so often- that's a fairly normal and average distance for an endurance rider to cover, and there are a *lot* of said endurance riders. The high-level rides can be up to 100 miles.
@VaughnRipley
3 жыл бұрын
Very true. I was taking about Bob. I imagine it would be fairly tough on his nether regions... hehe
@dreaming-of-spots6805
3 жыл бұрын
@@VaughnRipley oh absolutely! If you're not used to riding those distances, the first few days are torture, lol. Saddle sores galore.
@dudeist_priest
3 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that riding a horse long distance isn't that easy, either. I wouldn't know, I've only taken short rides on a camel and an elephant, but maybe that's something you could look into for a video
@TouchOfTemperament
3 жыл бұрын
Lol excellent point. Especially for people not accustomed to long hours in the saddle. They'll be hurting after a few hours.
@chrisflanagan7564
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's not like sitting in a car, but you can get off the horse and walk for a bit while the horse carries your stuff, which gives the horse a little rest, as now they aren't carrying you, and your legs and behind get little rest. In a "A change is as good as a rest" sense
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
You're probably right! I really don't know either
@jameskilbride107
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder He is right. I've done day long horseback rides and your legs will kill you afterwards. The image of the person barely able to move if they are not used to it. Absolutely true.
@NazFXStudios
3 жыл бұрын
@@TouchOfTemperament yes even for experienced riders, spending all day in the saddle will make you feel pain in muscles you didn’t know you had once you get off.
@nielsborch
2 жыл бұрын
A Roman legion was expected to march 30 km a day and spend the rest of the day building a fortified encampment, then get up and do it again the next day, when on campaign.
@avenger86avenger86
2 жыл бұрын
I love your super unique take on D&D related KZitem content. Helpful and genuinely interesting stuff.
@DungeonMasterpiece
3 жыл бұрын
I use a d6 weather die for weather prompts when I dm. Great little prompt. Favorite tool.
@claressadubs
3 жыл бұрын
That's a fun idea, gonna have to use that! :D
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice idea!
@magiv4205
3 жыл бұрын
My ttrpg group decided to start playing with carryweight and realistic travel, and I have a little story to share. After two full campaigns of MOSTLY (there were exceptions and many slower travel segments but it was all pretty standard with encounters and often skipping the boring parts) handwaving travel, carryweight and exhaustion, we were the equivalent of level 17 characters, renowned heroes in many parts of the world, decorated war veterans of a three year civil war between three would be emperors, all that stuff. With that renown came alot of unresolved interpersonal trauma though, and our bond at the start of the next campaign was pretty much at an all time low. After a year apart and not really speaking to eachother, in some cases actively avoiding eachother, one of our characters, the paladin, contacted the others to help him as his religious order was planning a crusade into the undead infested Dead Lands to finally liberate them from demonic opression. He was going to join regardless, and left it up to us to come with him or stay home. Not on the best of terms, but still not wanting to send our friend (?) out to die alone in that place, we accepted. The DM chose this to be the moment where he'd humble us a bit, and where he'd finally make carry weight, travel and exhaustion MATTER. And he couldn't have chosen better. All that was left of the heroical whimsy and grandstanding of the first two campaigns quickly drained away to reveal the cold, withered, rainy and cruel reality of the Dead Lands, a place where generations of a bitter stalemate war between necromances, dark mages and demon lords and servants of the "good" Gods had literally left the earth itself corrupted and the poor people inhabiting it willing to do anything to do anything and bow to any lord, god or archdemon or otherwise, just to survive another day. The paladin lost many a childhood friend in his order in that time, and we all made many aquaintances and friendships that were tragically cut short. Whoever couldn't be buried in a hallowed grave had to be burned, as any unburnt or unrecoverable corpses would just rise again to fuel the necromancer's warmachine. Days, then weeks and eventually months were spent on slow, grueling marches through often rough terrain, near constant rain and cold, depressingly starless nights. In many instances, we had to leave our horses behind and continue on foot, and that was when we really learned to appreciate them. Without them, and without all the gear we were forced to leave behind if we wanted to get anywhere and still be able to lift our arms and fight afterwards, all our previous achievements meant little. The plant- and wildlife was feral, often inedible and corrupted, traveling at night was a death wish. If we gained too much exhaustion in a day and weren't able to recover at night, it cascaded and we were fucked. If we didn't roll high enough to find a good campsite away from danger and comfortable enough to get at least a somewhat decent regeneration, we were fucked. The normal rules of this game system were already the equivalent of gritty realism in DnD where you only regain a small part of your magica and health each night, so go figure. If we got ambushed by ghouls, bitten and didn't have luck or an antidote on hand, we. Were. Fucked. We played out travel time, and each rest at the campfire gave us plenty to think and talk about. Through slowing down for once and surviving together, one day at a time, it allowed us to finally repair at least some of the cracks in our broken relationship, but it also caused some new ones. We really started to feel the full weight of the ten years we'd known eachother (irl, we've been continuously playing those characters for over two years) and it's shaping up to be a very emotional and probably utterly heartbreaking finale, after which we'll finally lay our heroes to rest - hopefully after a long and peaceful retirement, gods know they deserve it. What I'm trying to say with this long ass tangent is that I really, really recommend realism rules in your tabletop games. True, it doesn't fit EVERY type of game, but I believe such rules enhance most types of games alot with very little effort. They add additional stakes, so if you feel like your party is just cutting through even the toughest obstacles like butter, instead of just giving the enemy more hitpoints or attacks, try adding some rules like this and watch as they suddenly can't throw all of their most overpowered abilities at one fight anymore because they now have to ration their health, spells and abilities or risk getting caught with their pants down by the next batch of easy enemies or a sudden environmental hazard. Awesome fights will still happen, and going all out will become alot more daunting, but also rewarding. If the system you're playing with doesn't have good realism rules, I think it's rather easy to homebrew a handful of them and see how everyone likes it, you can always change them later if it doesn't feel right, the game suddenly becomes TOO slow or makes certain character types noticeably weaker (or OP).
@Th3D3vilishBoy
2 жыл бұрын
So you're going to post this incredible LOTR-esque story of the near end of a campaign, and *not* have some kind of link to a set of rules or something? This sounds incredible!
@Quandry1
2 жыл бұрын
Another way to put that realism on Long standing characters that have had a long time. Dig out and start using Aging Rules. A lot of characters start finding that they are more understanding of the world (better mental stats) but they just can't physically exert themselves like they used to (their physical stats slowly lower). You'd think this would favor spell casters. But when many systems these days link spell casting to things like Stamina and their spells start getting interrupted more despite having Vastly more magical power on top of finding it harder to just carry their usually light and meager equipment that they never had to worry about the weight of even in many campaigns that worried about such things. They usually start to feel the strain just as much if not more than the physical characters.
@JChaseFilms
3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the chill vibes your videos have, and with this one reaching toward that "vlog with an actual purpose" vibe I LOVED this video. Keep it up Bob! This stuff is breath of fresh air among d&d youtubers.
@karora
Жыл бұрын
I think it's reasonable to expect that an adventurer is used to walking. I typically walk 10km for enjoyment and exercise most days, and on weekends I regularly walk 25km or more. When I started this walking regime (at the age of 58 - I'm 63 now) I found it strenuous to walk even 5km, especially if hills were involved, whereas now I think nothing of a 15km round trip walk where most people in my city would use a car. Where I walk we participate in competitions called "Marchathon" and "Walktober", so in those months I walk a lot further, averaging over 20k steps for March, including several days where I walked more than 40km. So I would challenge you to spend a month gradually increasing your walking distance (perhaps even with a small backpack) and *then* do another test for 24miles and see how much easier it becomes. Also: it's a great way to get to know more of the world around you!
@wayner396
2 жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind is that people who lived before cars were a lot more used to walking everywhere so would have more walking muscle built up and be more accustomed to it. Same would probably hold true DnD characters making it a bit easier and common then for us.
@russneversleeps8258
3 жыл бұрын
Nature check: that was bear scat, the strawberry was the kind that doesn't taste good anyway (cinquefoil), good call on the wood sorrel.
@elizabethlowes6501
3 жыл бұрын
It has the same texture as bear, but it looked too small to me. I'd lean more towards a smaller omnivore, like a racoon, but by the same token, you get smaller bears!
@logannichols5848
3 жыл бұрын
There were lots of seeds in, I've seen coyote state like that when there wasn't much in the way of other food.
@dragongirl5661
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was going to say as much too. Those were not strawberries, I've seen and had wild strawberries, and that's not what they look like
@russneversleeps8258
3 жыл бұрын
@@logannichols5848 interesting. I've always considered this type to bears. I didn't know other animals had similar looking scat.
@russneversleeps8258
3 жыл бұрын
@@elizabethlowes6501 I've always considered this type to bears. I didn't know other animals had similar looking scat. But I guess it makes sense. Racoons do eat a similar diet to black bears.
@thenagazai
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as usual. What I want you to do, is go to a gym, and find some buffy exercise guys, there's always a nerd among them, and ask them to do those tests. That would be fun
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Haha yep I would love to know the STR scores of some “regular” people who actually weight train
@NisGaarde
3 жыл бұрын
Ah, pooping on trails... Halflings will be halflings
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love em!
@luisaymerich9675
3 жыл бұрын
It's for marking the way back. It works better than breadcrumbs. Hansel and Gretel were not halflings. 😄
@jaquecole5196
2 жыл бұрын
Its really funny, I just read about how Czar Nicholas II tested the russian army uniform by making a 25 mile forced march into the forest with just the uniform and regulation rations. He was able to return to his palace between 8 or 9 hours. So if the Czar nobleman could do a forced march anyone could do it.
@kana22693
2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to tell if Czar Nicholas II had any muscle on him due to his baggy clothes but he certainly wasn't overweight like most first world people are today, I'd argue that an average nobleman from back then it's healthier and stronger than an average commoner from today.
@ccityplanner1217
2 жыл бұрын
Travelling works very differently in practice to in theory. Last summer I cycled from London to the border with Wales to see how fast I could travel under my own power (y'know, in-case civilisation falls apart overnight). I averaged 50 miles a day, & it took about 2½ days. Google Maps, on the other hand, says that that journey is possible in 12 hours, i.e. 1½ days.
@zreyon
3 жыл бұрын
You sang, here's your comment as a prize. I feel like traveling distance in RPGs should be derived from your CON, as any "endure the pain" check does. That would give a decision to players who can't travel far enough: do you travel some more and gain an exhaustion level or risk getting there too late?
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
It's technically factored in to the forced march, but not in a way I like. The 24 miles in a day involves 8 hours of travel. Up until that point, you don't need to roll. After that, every hour is a con check to suffer a level of exhaustion (DC 10+number of hours beyond 8). The "Fast" pace (30 miles per day) is nearly/effectively jogging the vast majority of the time (hence the disadvantage on perception). Difficult terrain halves your speed. That would include basically anything that isn't roads, open plains, or clear dungeon corridors. Climbing, swimming, and crawling are effectively at half speed from whatever pace you're already traveling at. These changes are done to be simple, not necessarily accurate. A sparse forest is going to hamper you less than a dense forest, and creature size/speed isn't factored in... A halfling or an armored knight should travel at one speed category lower without assistance, and the "Fast" pace should be a DC 10+2*hours spent traveling counting every hour after the fourth.
@Aligariusful
3 жыл бұрын
I did a 24 mile walk when I was a teenager, walking in the Midwest. Definitely picked up some levels of exhaustion on that one.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
I guess the real question is: how much xp do we earn from these walks??
@Aligariusful
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder Definitely enough to take a level in Ranger
@swagaw3some546
3 жыл бұрын
You did amazing hope when you do the full armor and gear test you don't die. As you were doing this in my mind I got Ranger in my head your just missing the bow lol.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the “gear” test will probably be a good amount of weight and some cumbersome items to represent it. But we’ll see what sort of ranger gear I can find! :)
@nynkeandreae7008
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder ranger gear is probably not as heavy either. Little to no armor and a bow doesn't weight as much as sword.
@Ashtor1337
3 жыл бұрын
You shouldnt go alone. Please take someone with you.
@etherealhawk
3 жыл бұрын
In the UK we have a national youth award programmed called DofE. Part of it is walking 20 miles a day for 4 days with about 15kg backpacks with tents.
@aslanenlisted
3 жыл бұрын
This is the first video of yours that I have seen, and I really enjoyed it. You have a brilliant narrative voice and an easy charm. Brilliant!
@darthvegan
3 жыл бұрын
By the time you finish these tests, you'll transform from commoner to heroic adventurer! I used to do quite a bit of long distance running. And sitting was considered a "runner's death". If we had to stop and rest we would either stand or lie down.
@blackbarnz
3 жыл бұрын
Never dare this dude.That's commitment right there. Earned my sub.Kudos!
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Haha much appreciated :)
@Centaur255
3 жыл бұрын
Great point about having a mount - I always buy one for my character, my party thinks I'm odd (and taking up more food usage), but gosh darnit if you're carrying anything remotely close to a lot of gear and don't want to arrive tired to a location a horse is a must!
@abelcheng2073
3 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear forced march, that usually means a 15 minute pace or faster on a 12 mile ruck.
@ethanpettapiece7381
2 жыл бұрын
You should try outback camping in algonquin park in may just after the ice and snow melts off the lake. That's a good test for conditions that are likely to be less than ideal (potential for rain sleet or snow mixed with hypothermia if you get wet and cold). Either hiking or canoeing with portages and you gotta take everything with you lol the planning side of these more than 2 or three night journeys is often underemphasized!
@ruthiekest3218
Жыл бұрын
I know they're have weather rules and stuff for that
@matteoboldizzoni9870
3 жыл бұрын
Probably in D&D it's the DM that should determine how much a party walks on a given day, considering terrain, gear, encounters etc.
@necrogoblin
3 жыл бұрын
An experiment I would like seen done is the how far the distance of battle sound travels. Overland and especially in a dungeon.
@TheRealGovika
3 жыл бұрын
"It's just a fantasy game!" Yes, I get that. But travel is so integral to D&D and roleplaying games and stories that to handwave every experience away is cheap. Travel is a rich subject that is encouraged to be forgotten.
@colbyboucher6391
2 жыл бұрын
The trick is making it something where players actually have meaningful choices to make. Because if they don't, it should be forgotten. That doesn't mean the *consequences* should be forgotten, though (needing to carry rations, the gold drain from buying supplies, etc.)
@edwardchester1
2 жыл бұрын
@@colbyboucher6391 That's the tricky bit, isn't it. There absolutely is a world of shared experience to be had from travelling for weeks together with barely any incident beyond the banter a few trips and falls and the odd comedic bodily function, but it's almost impossible for the DM to engineer those shared moments without introducing enemies. It's mostly on the players to bring up those moments and doing that well can be tough if you're not a really engaged roleplayer. I suppose the DM can do a daily check, summarising the toughness of any given day's travel, or bringing in obstacles that aren't challenges but simply points of interest.
@Coldheart322
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say it really depends on the pacing and story/campaign. Let's face it, in movies a long journey can have many epic encounters along the way, or large chunks can be done in a montage. If the encounters along the way don't really add to the over-all plot, do away with them. Also if the players are really excited to get to the end of the journey, because that is where the magical doohicky is, the captured prince, the big bad's villainous hideout etc, they may not care to have 10 sessions of just travelling there, talking to locals, dealing with rat problems in basements, and other minor distractions.
@carbonara2144
2 жыл бұрын
Important subject. Many players these days dont really have a realistic idea of how travel and carrying all your equipment is. Weather conditions can change your travel day a lot. Also, it can be easy to be lost. If that happens will you backtrack or try another route? Any player group would benefit a lot for having a walking trip of 2-4 days in the wilderness.
@duwanglover3424
2 жыл бұрын
One of the things I love to do as a player is to buy a wagon or a cart to travel in. Allows for a “little home” to return to after solving a story arc in a city, a place to keep our stuff before we get a bag of holding, and nice RP reason to why we travel as far as we do in a day
@cameronh901
2 жыл бұрын
I've been traveling to a state park for fitness and fun for the warmer months, and there's absolutely a spot that makes a great goblin ambush spot that I clock every single time I hike through! Always fun finding that inspiration.
@massconnect9329
3 жыл бұрын
"I'm trying to minimize variables." Jokes on you: youtuber gear is equivalent adventurer gear anyway :3
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
It was more than I would normally carry on a hike! Haha
@timkramar9729
3 жыл бұрын
I don't see any water.
@CaptainFrost32
3 жыл бұрын
@@timkramar9729 He had one water bottle on the trail, more in the car.
@Big_Blue_Monkey
3 жыл бұрын
When I was in the military one of the fittest test was to carry roughly 25kg for 8 miles in 2 hours. This included backpack, webbing and weapon. That was a pretty tough test.
@DungeonMasterpiece
3 жыл бұрын
Random encounter dungeon with unlocked door!!
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Haha still have to go back and check! :P
@rafaelfett9975
3 жыл бұрын
7:32 that is a frog poop, they eat basically insects, and what you see is the rest of many insects exoskeleton
@spacerx
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the Appalachian Trail is the shorter of the three major trails. The pace on the Continental Divide Trail is usually over 20 miles a day, AND the terrain is more wild. The Appalachian Trail is famous for having a town that you pass through every few days.
@Lindzolt
3 жыл бұрын
This is my first watch of yours, but definitely won’t be my last. Very informative and well delivered! I’ve got some ideas for my party
@benjaminkowal7310
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! It is worth it to invest in comfortable equipment for sure. I imagine full plate would chaff something awful.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don’t even want to think about what full plate would feel like!
@liamfitzpatrick7118
3 жыл бұрын
There's a challanging walk not far from me known as the Y3P. Its 24 miles taking in 3 peaks that have a total ascent of 7014 feet (not including all the ups and downs while walking to the tops and between the hills) to be completed in 12 hours. I've done it in the past and will be doing it at least twice next year, its a circular walk so Im doing it both ways round. Im just glad there is a decent path between 2 of them now instead of having to navigate the bogs like last time I did it.
@Alkis05
Жыл бұрын
3:05 I can almost hear god thinking: "Damn, he is not even going to check out what is in there? I had planned a whole encounter there..."
@danacoleman4007
Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@alvinastahl
2 жыл бұрын
One has to remember that most of these DND settings are in the middle ages and during this time a lot of people traveled by foot so they were very accustomed to walking long distances.
@AbWischBar
2 жыл бұрын
Wanted to say exactly that. There are some pretty cool videos about the training of the roman army and they would - as modern armies do - have their troups walk these distances regularly. It is all about the right shoes and your muscles, joints and soles getting used to it.
@cydjames654
3 жыл бұрын
I would add that while most people (in relative good shape) could do a 24 miles trip in a day (if not necessarily in 8 consecutive hours) it's pretty hard to keep it up over several days. At 12 my dad took me and my brother to a trip in the mountain and 38 km (roughly 24miles) was our longest day iirc. It was made harder by the fact that we had our hiking backpacks and that a good third of the distance was walking upwards. But we made it, with a week of travel and each day between 30 and 38km to go
@GeanAmiraku
2 жыл бұрын
10:48 Looks like a mock strawberry to me. We've got a lot of wild strawberries growing around where I live, but I've never seen a wild strawberry like this, with seeds being the same colour as the berry and sticking "outside" the berry like that. At least, from what I googled, mock strawberries are not poisonous, just not very tasty as well :D
@jerkjerkington3874
2 жыл бұрын
Incidentally, the strawberries we eat today are actually a hybrid between North American strawberries and South American strawberries. European strawberries were cultivated to some extent by the French and Bretons, but the fruit were never really large or sweet enough to be worth much. If I recall the story correctly, North American strawberries were very similar to their European cousins, but South American strawberries had been bred to produce only male flowers with no female flowers. This meant that they didn't produce any fruit. (I assume they must have accomplished this by propagating runners. It is possible for plants to mutate even when they're reproducing clonally. That's why Red Delicious apples don't taste the same as they used to even though they're technically all cuttings from the same tree.) Eventually, some French ornamental gardeners planted both North American and South American strawberries in the same bed, and they accidentally hybridized to create the delicious, modern domestic strawberry. Although I'm sure they still weren't anything like the refined breeds we have today. So, in a sense, you could say that domestic strawberries are the real mock strawberries. A mockery of nature. But they sure do taste good.
@jeremyh9033
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, definitely a false strawberry, aka indian strawberry. I've eaten them before. They don't have a ton of flavor. Just very watery.
@GeanAmiraku
2 жыл бұрын
@@jerkjerkington3874 Had to google what red delicious apple is xD I now know that I've seen them in shops here in Russia, but they look deformed to me, so I'm not sure I've ever tried those %) But hey, it's pretty cool to know, thank you for this piece of information! Not sure I know what kind of domestic strawberry you're talking about though, there're so many of them as well (half of them are ginormous and look deformed too, even though, yeah, tasty). Is it how the original domestic strawberry happened?
@jerkjerkington3874
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeanAmiraku Haha, yeah, definitely don't buy them these days. They used to actually be delicious when my dad was a kid, but over the years apple producers kept selecting the branches that produced apples with thicker skin and longer shelf life and growing the cuttings from them. Now most people agree that red delicious is the worst apple on the market. Interestingly enough, the original red delicious tree is still alive in Ohio. The farmer who first grew it called it "hawkeye". It's actually possible to buy cuttings from the original hawkeye tree so you can know what it tasted like back in 1872. I've heard it genuinely is delicious. As far as I know, all domestic strawberries are an interspecies hybrid. There are dozens of species of wild strawberries around the world, but the only one that was ever cultivated was the woodland strawberry in France, but that was back in the Renaissance Era. If you buy a strawberry from the store or a strawberry plant from the nursery, it's going to be a hybrid between Virginia strawberries and Chilean strawberries. Over the years, they've bred a bunch of different varieties, but they're still all descended from the original interspecies hybrid.
@Satsujinki1973
2 жыл бұрын
8:53 The black shadow back on the corner of the trail reminds me of the Michael Myers standing behind the bush meme.
@Xion_Toshiro
Жыл бұрын
The whole tine I'm listening; I'm mentally rooting for your success
@goodyKoeln
3 жыл бұрын
Be careful out there, exhaustion levels get quite harsh quickly. 🥺
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
They really do! Thank you for your concern :)
@goodyKoeln
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWorldBuilder we don’t want your hair to get damaged. 😋
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite rule from D&D that doesn't get used enough.
@goodyKoeln
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertmasengale9366 meh, I don’t think it’s not very clever not realistic. Imho every easy hb variant like each level is -1 to everything is better. But of course everybody should do as they please. 🤷🏻♂️
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
@@goodyKoeln I like it for grittier games because it's EXTREMELY punishing, but doesn't have a ton of ways to increase it. I think it should be more common, as the intent is to tell your players, "YOU NEED TO REST NOW." And you could reasonably push yourself to the point of exhaustion and even death if you aren't careful and keep going when you should stop. Then again, I do find it realistic. Most people in the modern era NEVER push themselves beyond level 2 exhaustion, but there are people that have killed themselves with exhaustion by overworking themselves. (I'm looking at the Japanese business world, specifically, where this is a known issue.)
@pillarsofadventure
3 жыл бұрын
Excited for this one lol
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
Wow thanks for getting to it first!!
@retroanimemike
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe hiking should be its own skill? So you get better at it as you put ranks into it? Constitution based. My brain is still wired in 3.5 rules - surely a class skill for a ranger druid or barbarian.
@BobWorldBuilder
3 жыл бұрын
That certainly makes sense to me!
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
Rangers give that pathfinding effect to their team, so I guess that's how they account for that.
@Vessekx
3 жыл бұрын
It is. The skill is Athletics.
@molluskweddin
3 жыл бұрын
I know hiking is a skill in GURPS. Not sure about 5e.
@robertmasengale9366
3 жыл бұрын
@@molluskweddin Technically, it would qualify under Athletics. 5e doesn't have a skill for everything imaginable the same way GURPS does.
@panhandlersparadise1733
3 жыл бұрын
At around 2:40 You make a good point, but let me point out a few things. It's D&D, sometimes we average things out instead of roleplaying. Yes, in theory you can walk for 16 hours, eat while you walk, and sleep for 8. BUT! That's if your friend picks you up in an RV at the end of your walk. In reality, you have to set up camp, purify water to refill, take the breaks you mentioned, you might stop at a farmer's house or roadside inn for several hours, and of course you have to use the restroom. Which has to be buried. Otherwise it's not a random encounter with a wandering monster, something will catch your scent, track you, and attack at the most inopportune time. In other words, there's other stuff going on. If the quest is time dependent, I let the players move further in a day without exhaustion penalties. Just not every day, and if they choose to do so I leave out background information because they didn't stop to talk to other people, and I'll increase the odds of random encounters because they were going faster and not paying as much attention to their surroundings.
@MoiraMcGill
3 жыл бұрын
Haven't heard of yellow wood sorrel however I do know of a clover like plant that tastes like green apples 😋 Not the same but looks kinda similar. The clovers I mentioned tend to have a white ring that connects on the clover leaves.
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