So they're doing situational training with mini-games (in other words, a more elaborate form of drilling) rather than mindless movement drill without variation. Yeah that's better. So they are drilling, just drilling better.
@nathankurtz5960
Жыл бұрын
If you want to use the word drilling, you could say they are drilling goals rather than moves.
@noahshaffner9692
Жыл бұрын
Generally live training is called either live training or rolling, whereas drilling usually refers to static or partial resistance repetitions. That is the drilling we do not do. If you want to call actual training drilling, go for it I guess.
@derrickrobinson7269
Жыл бұрын
@@noahshaffner9692Positional Sparring
@kaizenproductions00
Жыл бұрын
Basically this. It's just a really good variation of drilling. Some martial arts guys are just weird psuedo-philosophical hipsters who want to sound as original as possible. There's nothing wrong with it as long as it gets results.
@MarkoAssi_pokervlogger
Жыл бұрын
This is just sparring with a fixed starting and ending position as compared to free roll.
@jtom416
Жыл бұрын
I think the, "I do/don't drill" is semantics. Playing a game means your drilling a concept. High end drilling is essentially positional sparring, since you're going to want resistance. So games are just positional sparring with more freedom.
@gregsouders9648
Жыл бұрын
I have a challenge for you. Can you name the foundational concept that I used to create the games in this video? What foundational skills are being built in this video using this concept? If you can answer these questions you clearly understand what I’m doing. If not you don’t.
@rodrigopereira4014
Жыл бұрын
Isn't "games are drilling" also semantics? You can call it whatever you want, but the common association of the word "drilling" in jiu jitsu specifically is practicing a sequence against a non resisting partner, which is what he's trying to get away from. "Live drilling", "games", "specific training", "constrained situation", "high end drilling", there's so many things you can call it but you KNOW that people who do "drills" against a fully resistant opponent is not what he's talking about. Something that was also missed is your last point "positional sparring with more freedom". Sometimes there is more freedom, in an advanced class like the one in the video yeah they have a lot of freedom to problem solve because they already have a base level of knowledge and tools. But for the beginners class (and when the advanced students need to explore a more specific idea), they have much, much less freedom and are super constrained to specific tasks to develop an isolated skill without being overwhelmed by the amount of potential outcomes from a fully free round. Check out the youtube video of their foundations class, it's really not "just positional sparring". It's much more than putting people in a position and saying "go", the task focus given to the students is what sets it apart.
@jtom416
Жыл бұрын
@@gregsouders9648 I don't understand how answering this question proves or disproves the point I was making. I understand and like the ecological approach. BJJ loves branding, and "I do/don't drill" feels like such. What drillers like Danaher's guys and "no-drillers" like yours are getting at, is the same thing. Practicing in perfect scenarios with minimal resistance barely helps. The feedback of the resistance is how we understand the why, how, and when of what we're learning.
@SpiralBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Most gyms use the Information Processing Approach and don’t even realize it, let alone try to make it optimized. I was skeptical of the Ecological and Constraints-Led Approach at first but there is a lot of incredibly valuable and interesting research.
@rethinkyourself1
Жыл бұрын
@gregsouders9648 I'm a white, so forgive my ignorance on the subject but would this work in Gi as well. Thank you very much ☮️
@danielt9975
Жыл бұрын
I think different people respond differently to different types of training. Danaher for example found major success by breaking down moves to exact concepts and going through theory, where as over people just drill tones till they can do shit automatically. I can definitely see this working for a certain amount of people
@aintfromrounhere8099
7 ай бұрын
Danahers guy drill everyday
@AxaFin
Жыл бұрын
I think this somehow makes you focus more on objectives which in turn has a bigger likelihood of putting you into the "flow" mode. You eliminate unnecessary things about techniques and just focus on the grappling itself and manipulating your training partner. This seems like a path into the right direction.
@Jesse-qk6wn
Жыл бұрын
I wish my gym taught this way. The games look fun
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
They were definitely a lot of fun, I’ve always liked live training more than static drilling
@ABomm
Жыл бұрын
Coming from a wrestling background, it was very common to do 'situational wrestling' where we would simulate scenarios like the single leg finish at 100%. There would be like 10 sets of 15second sprints. However, for wrestling I still think that drilling is necessary for learning since many moves have so many moving parts that you need to focus on individually, which is hard to do during live 100%.
@michaelestrada8474
Жыл бұрын
Yes sirrrrr 💯
@timsohn7057
Жыл бұрын
Coming from Judo, and have been to couple session of wrestling team practices during high school, I feel the drilling aspect is really similar to Judo. Compared to BJJ, I feel we drill far more. I was shocked at “drilling” in BJJ. I felt I learned nothing at all lol. I feel wrestling and Judo since they are more standardized, we have a more systematic approach than bjj when it comes to training. I love bjj, but every school I have been to seems to have a drastic difference in preference.
@NONE2NONE
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I was going to say it's likely you already knew how to run a pipe or finish a double.... You didn't jump into situational sparring your first day of wrestling. I'm not sure how absolute beginners can use this approach. Seems an alternative for blues/purples and up
@danieltiller1421
Жыл бұрын
It's the most necessary part. Without drilling nuance will get lost.
@mtxpert
Жыл бұрын
I was like this is 60% of our HS wrestling practices
@TerryCaber
11 ай бұрын
My school recently adopted this method of teaching and I gotta say I love it. I’m a person who watches tons of tutorials and I could break down how to do an omoplata but if you asked me to do it in a roll it wouldn’t happen. This method really helps by limiting a roll to simple objectives with tons of creative ways to accomplish them. It’s absolutely improved me more than drilling ever has.
@BiggityBoggity8095
7 ай бұрын
It comes down to what the definition of a “drill” is a combat sports. I come from a Muay Thai background, and in a lot of striking schools, they call pad work drilling even if it’s aimless. We could be doing 2 3 leg kick, those are weapons fired in combination. But what did we drill? What skills did we just learn? The aimless pad work doesn’t teach us how to acquire high percentage positions, it doesn’t teach us how to create time and space, and it doesn’t teach us defensive effort. That’s sort of what “drilling” moves in Jiu Jitsu is like. You taught us an extremely hyper specific thing that comes after several of the steps we skipped, so now I’ve jumped over my development. I’m inclined to believe that what these people are doing in the video are real drills and merely going through the moves isn’t really drilling. But again, we have to clearly define a drill.
@JFLOJUDO
Жыл бұрын
You’re attributing the extreme talent of a few to the effectiveness of not drilling…every sport has these outliers. It’s foolish to apply the success and habits of a few outliers to the entire population. Most people need to drill to be able to apply techniques in newaza randori aka bjj
@markzuckerberg3128
Жыл бұрын
I'm a brown belt. Drilling sucks. I wish I went to this school. When I teach classes, I try to incorporated as much "live" training in the classes as I can. Some good Ideas in this video.
@glexx2655
3 ай бұрын
I'm a brown belt too and I just watch technique and help out the whites and blues if needed. I'd much rather only do live drills and rolling. My instructor teaches a lot of conceptual but to be fair we don't have a lot of veteran grapplers where I train. If I end up teaching I would much rather only focus on technique for the new guys and have the more experienced guys do objective based drills with resistance. Also it's good to play with situations since we'll learn to use our body type and attributes to find what works.
@RaveyDavey
3 ай бұрын
At my gym we don't even really drill either, certainly not regularly enough on the same techniques for it to sink in.
@frankiecal3186
9 ай бұрын
Dude this is called situational drilling in wrestling. Whoever thinks this isn't drilling is high.
@Gunnar-Peterson
Жыл бұрын
I think more of this training makes more sense, I never liked drilling. When you're drilling you're doing the same thing over and over again under perfect scenarios, real life never works that way. Most of grappling is those in between moments and movements
@cgsec2275
Жыл бұрын
You need to do both. This goes for every skill in life. You don't have your first driving lesson on a motorway. You don't have your first French lesson in a busy pub where you can barley hear each other speak. A soldier does not learn how to dismantle his weapon for the very first time while someone is throwing smoke grenades at him. Because if people did things this way, it would take 100 lessons to learn how to even do the thing perfectly well - even under perfect conditions. First you need to learn how to do the action perfectly, then you can train under harsher conditions.
@SpiralBJJ
Жыл бұрын
I’m a BJJ Black Belt that’s been training for over 14 years, learning about Ecological Dynamics and the Constraints Led Approach has made training and coaching fun again. I wanna do more with less and I like how Greg is trying to distill everything, I feel it allows me to better develop my intuition and become a more creative problem solver. It’s good to be skeptical and have criticism but at least check out Rob Gray before writing this all off as, “It’s just drilling with a different name”.
@jellenr23
Жыл бұрын
As a strength and conditioning trainer I’m a huge fan of CLA and Dynamic systems. I just started BJJ 6months ago and was already trying to come up with ideas to implement these theories into BJJ training aspects. So fun to see you YT page. Nice and creative. The books of Rob Gray are nice ones to educate yourself about these theories and I would like to add “Frans Bosch strength training and coördination” to this list.
@johnreidy2804
8 ай бұрын
I'm a BJJ Black Belt that has been training for 14 years! Talk about coincidence
@Porkchop899aLb
Жыл бұрын
Let's remember that most gyms, emphasis on "most", are only there to make money. The longer a student/customer takes to develop their skills the more money the gym makes. Train at the gym that meets your needs.
@turdfurgison97
Жыл бұрын
This is just specific training. That's what we call it at my gym.
@jimmie125
Жыл бұрын
In wrestling we call that situational drilling. Where basically you start in on the beginning of a technique and then work to finish it. Instead of starting from standing neutral position where you are face to face with a partner. For example you start in on a single leg. You already have a one of your knees up and one of your knees down, along with your hands locked around your partner’s leg. Coach will either start the clock or your partner taps you to initiate the countdown on when to begin the situational drill. Once you begin you’re able to work on finishing the single, rather than shooting from the neutral position to get to your partner’s leg to finish. We do this with any move because it eliminates the time wasted when someone is working to get to a setup for a move and gets you to have a match type/competition like feel to it depending on the amount of intensity that’s output by both you and a partner. Typically we would go by percentages like coach would say “defensive guy put X amount of effort in defending” against the person on the offensive side of the move; or go balls to the wall on both guys to get a live feel of the technique.
@aicemen
Жыл бұрын
This is great content! It should be spread out more, I have ADHD and learning through mini games is something that I wish was more implemented... Never seen a gym focused on this. Im no teacher (purple) but I have a few friends who are very new to bjj and I was using this kind of games instead of positions to help them understand the concepts
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Same my adhd brain has trouble being present for a long class of drilling, so it was fun to take a class like this
@kampar82
Жыл бұрын
I'm a geezer and I might have some issues concentrating every now and then. But in addition to learning the concepts I'm interested in what this does to injury rates?
@r8m8s8
Жыл бұрын
You could teach as a purple belt, no reason you couldn’t, everyone can be a teacher
@yanisapostat
Жыл бұрын
same I had ADHD too , And my coach is fed up with me because I often transform drills sessions into mini games with resistance which I leane A LOT MORE
@OdinsHallsBrazilianJiuJitsu
Жыл бұрын
Same! This is the only way I learn, so I’m always trying to teach this way
@stevensartifacts
Жыл бұрын
Did you have any rounds with his blue belts and did you find the following to be accurate? “If you think your drilling method and coaching is great- 10, 15 years of experience, if you come to my gym I’ll put you with a 2 year blue belt in varying degrees of situationals, both your strong points and not, and I promise you that my two year students will beat you in every exchange eight out of ten times. … These two year students haven’t wasted a second of their training time. The amount of times they’ve been in heel hooks, guard passes, back takes, takedowns, trumps your 10 years.”
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I trained with his blue belt noah and I haven’t rolled with somebody better that has only trained 2 years
@rodrigopereira4014
Жыл бұрын
He came two days. The first day wasn't filmed, but he did the classes with a blue belt that's been training for 2 and a half years and has only ever trained this way (Noah from the video). The second day he trained with Deandre. I don't want to be the one to give any details since I'd be biased being one of Noah's training partners so if Josh is up for sharing what his experience training with Noah was like he'll let you know how that day went. We really enjoyed having Josh come through
@TylerSpangler
Жыл бұрын
I imagine this makes better competitors, but is worse for overall business applying to hobbyists. I wonder how many students Greg has versus other gyms in the area
@gregsouders9648
Жыл бұрын
Planet Fitness has more members than Westside Barbell. One is a joke and the other isn’t.
@derrickrobinson7269
Жыл бұрын
@@gregsouders9648Well damn lol
@selfcritical
Жыл бұрын
He's got about 90ish students, but he's in the same metroplex as 50/50 BJJ and Team Lloyd Irvin. I'm not sure the method is bad for retention, but Greg's pitch might be, he's a lil abrasive as you may have noticed from interviews. I use the same methods for another sport and it doesn't seem to drive people away, we get a lot of people signing up immediately after their first lesson (I coach HEMA). I find "hey this will be a little confusing or frustrating, but if you play the games and pay attention, you will be pulling off some simple moves against resistance by the end of this first session. You're going to trip up a lot in the process, but that's fine, I need you to find all the ways that don't work first"
@sibghatmajid1133
10 ай бұрын
@@gregsouders9648lmfaooo love this reply 😂
@TallahasseeJiuJitsu
2 ай бұрын
My hobbyist love this method of training.
@jmurrayathletics
Жыл бұрын
Interesting concept, seems like a mixed approach might have the most benefit
@mcnoodles76
Жыл бұрын
They don't mix well. Both approaches are underpinned by different fundamental assumptions on the nature of perception-action.
@danielashman1753
7 ай бұрын
Thoughtful video. Thank you for sharing.
@JoshRichBJJ
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@ryanthompson3446
Жыл бұрын
I agree, drilling is way over played, greg souders is what jiu jitsu needs right now.
@etimezz
Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool methodology. I think a lot of gyms incorporate this in less tsrgeted ways, but typically just in advanced or competition classes. It would be great to see it in more fundamental or beginner classes. Rob Biernacki has a similar training game style called "FYJJ", or f*** your jiu jitsu that's pretty cool.
@javiermiller-estrada2263
11 ай бұрын
They have a foundations class at Standard for beginners. He has KZitem videos up about this
@joshmxvi
Жыл бұрын
You won't hear me say this often but that was clever ad insertion.
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Lol I appreciate it
@everydaychristianapologeti2614
8 ай бұрын
I love this. One of the things I hated about drills, was that it was tiring as hell, and didn't seem to produce fruit. When drilling there was next to no resistance and, yes, you can get the move down (with no resistance). But as soon as we rolled, you not only got the resistance and the inability to repeat what you had just mastered. But your partner already knew what you were trying to do, so they went out of their way to block it, knowing you were only going to approach it the way it was drilled a half hour ago. I hated drills for that reason, and progressed mostly during rolls and experimenting with movement within that session. I love what you're doing and wish I could join your gym.
@RaveyDavey
3 ай бұрын
Totally agree. In fact when we're started rolling (or even just situational sparring), I've started saying to my opponents "let's at least start in the position we just learned. We might not see it again for 6 months!" and I go easy on lower belts so they get at least some of the moves working. I should easily just shut it down completely. But the result of that is often an almost instant loss of interest in that move as it appears not to work.
@pepesanchez9812
Жыл бұрын
My coach also started this approach and we significantly improved but he retained the drills
@christotheedge
Жыл бұрын
This is literally positional drilling,
@joshmxvi
Жыл бұрын
(that's still drilling)
@selfcritical
Жыл бұрын
Sure, but it's substantively different than the drilling in the typical BJJ class, which is prescriptive steps in a specific order against compliance
@cottleful
Жыл бұрын
This isn’t really groundbreaking it’s just positional sparring.
@TedME-j6u
11 ай бұрын
"Never drills" yet all video is drills LMAO. It is called semi-contact vs full-contact for ages.
@Ramahei987
5 ай бұрын
Drilling is defined by the repetition of a given sequence of movement called a technique. Not what they're doing.
@kungfugurukris6184
Жыл бұрын
Can you post your full interview with Greg? That looked like a cool convo
@Zhcwu
Жыл бұрын
Games, is drilling, that's the same shit my parents use to say when doing math games.... They were just drills, just fucking semantics.
@ManuelRamcanny
Жыл бұрын
This is just drilling with another name (game).
@cbroo69
Жыл бұрын
So every other person who learnt BJJ through Drilling and is a champion over the past 100 years doesn't count anymore? Lol
@mcnoodles76
Жыл бұрын
Would absolutely count if you could name a single champ that only drilled.
@imratso9520
Жыл бұрын
Guys, who cares what you call stuff? Every moment you spend trying to define the word “drilling” is another moment where you aren’t observing or learning anything about the world right in front of your eyes. I don’t know how new or unique this method of training is, but it is certainly different from how my gym trains. I wish I had an opportunity to try learning this way. That being said, I know that, at best, even if this method was somehow universally the most efficient method of learning Jiu Jitsu for every person on the planet, it’s not like training two days a week this way will miraculously be superior to three days a week with a more traditional method. This would be a truly amazing method of training if it reliably gave a fifteen minute efficiency edge each week to a guy already training six days a week versus a guy training the exact same amount of time on a more traditional method. Obviously, that’s ignoring the existence of individual learning differences and the importance for each individual to actually find their training fun and engaging. I could see ways this method might personally be a little more efficient for me, but who knows? It would be nice to have this sort of thing as an option at least.
@danInRealife
Жыл бұрын
love this video! you seem to put good content out more frequently than others. i appreciate it very much!
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@jasoncoomer1226
Жыл бұрын
We dont do drilling because... *We renamed drilling to another name* ...we now do that.
@OdinsHallsBrazilianJiuJitsu
Жыл бұрын
Love this approach to teaching! I throw in stuff like this all the time
@olliert4840
7 ай бұрын
I think this way seems best, but I think after playing the games for a while, the instructor could give a solution for those struggling. Craig Jones talked about this style of teaching also
@Verinius
Жыл бұрын
This is very educational for me! Thank you so much for making this video!
@savorthepassion
Жыл бұрын
Aye! I see yall got a Hayden Buckner in the building!
@shoto520
Жыл бұрын
Andre Galvao would disagree. He's got a course called drill to win😁 But seriously, some guys need to give their body a rest because jiujitsu rolling can tear it up especially if your not in your 20s anymore! Drills helps me stay in the game! I appreciate the different perspective of not including drills but Jiujitsu is a large community and so many opinions differ!
@mcnoodles76
Жыл бұрын
Injuries are as much a culture issue than a methodology issue. Drilling repetitively if anything reduces the very movement variability than has been shown to help prevent and reduce the chance of injury. The push back against drilling is that it is relatively ineffective for skill transfer and development. It's also "IMO" nut crushingly boring. . Galvao, despite being a great grappler likely has little understanding of perceptual-motor learning theories. Bodies adapt. That's what they do. I'm in mid 40s and train like this most days.
@danieljames6240
Жыл бұрын
These "games" are just positional drilling. But I understand calling it games mind fucks you into it being fun instead of calling it drilling and ppl thinking it as work.
@joebeast15
Жыл бұрын
I’ve trained with guys from this gym and I gotta say, they are pretty tough. Must be doing something right
@kingmo565
Жыл бұрын
What gym is this?? I want to move next to it so I can train there! Drilling is boring AF
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Standard Jiu Jitsu in Rockville Maryland
@kingmo565
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!@@JoshRichBJJ
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
@@kingmo565 no problem!
@kobe51
8 ай бұрын
In other words, most BJJ schools have no idea how to teach in a scientific, systematic, comprehensive way.
@MaxLohMusic
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with everything the gym owner said. I have issues with learning BJJ. I'm a white belt who's been training about 8 years, not counting breaks (I am probably the world's most experienced white belt). The stint where I improved the most was one where we always had a mini-game before full rolling. That was in a BJJ club in USC for a year and it was the only time I actually felt like I learned the class techniques. I'm 99% sure if I were to train at this gym (or one which employed the concept of highly focused mini-games) I would finally be able to get a blue belt.
@___Bebo___
10 ай бұрын
That's crazy I got my blue belt in 6 months.
@MaxLohMusic
10 ай бұрын
@@___Bebo___ Nice, let's roll
@brentphillipz
Жыл бұрын
I feel like this is still drilling. Just not drilling individual moves, they're drilling positions and concepts
@thos1618
Жыл бұрын
It's against 100% resistance though.
@BrandonBuckingham
Жыл бұрын
i really like how you edit your videos josh!
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Brandon, you’re the goat! TBH this one was a hard one to edit but I think I did a decent job showing what standard’s doing
@BrandonBuckingham
Жыл бұрын
@@JoshRichBJJ you did a great job. its funny how things turn out, you’re my favorite bjj youtuber. really enjoy when you post!
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Thank you bro, I’m honored! It really is funny how things turn out lol
@devonfarrar6313
8 ай бұрын
It is interesting watching jui jitsu people trying to break bases as a wrestler that is a fundamental easy thing to do we have a good few dozen ways and it is easy
@brokkrgames2778
Жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me. You arent focused on the exact angle of your professors arm and leg and "did he do this before this or after that or what was it again?" just simple goal - let it be a little messy and over time it gets more efficient. Nice!
@BiggestEnergy
Жыл бұрын
1v1 me
@lolzcaption
Жыл бұрын
I base opinions of gym owners by how many world champions they have.
@kenis77
Жыл бұрын
Wait …those “games” you played is what I call drilling…Then there’s also technique reps which is what i think you call drilling. I dont get this “no drilling” thing thi because you have to at least take the time to rep out a move to get the parts right, before you can drill it no ?
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s the whole thing they don’t rep out the moves they just play these games with full resistance and are able to learn through that.
@artnos
Жыл бұрын
i consider the drilling an extension of the warm up, it takes me a really long time to get my heart rate up so i need the drills. I feel like playing competitive games to early would make lead to more injury for me i'm 40.
@jiujitf0018
Жыл бұрын
I think there's benefit to this approach. I find it interesting and will probably incorporate it into some of my classes. That said, I feel that drilling still has it's place. I've never been a fan of absolutes "I ALWAYS do this, I NEVER do that". That in itself can be limiting. In reality, I think a hybrid approach will work best. Also, not all training styles will work for all people. It's good to experiment, keep an open mind, and figure out what works best for you. As a fellow 40+ grappler, I also have an interest in minimizing injury. 😅
@pyrodaddy2854
Жыл бұрын
For every champion that doesnt drill theres 10 more that do
@alhfgsp
Жыл бұрын
These games are a creative and effective way to train technique and concepts but don't omit drilling.
@jocaingles8464
8 ай бұрын
that's how I did it here in Brazil. didn't even know what drilling is
@EV0ACE
Жыл бұрын
Positional drilling is all good and well for those who are trained enough to do so. Don’t expect white belts, blue belts to just go in and do this effectively. Drilling is a fundamental that keeps your fundamentals tight. I go back to do drills as a reminder of what makes the basics so effective.
@selfcritical
Жыл бұрын
The coach here has video of him successfully running this training method with a white/blue belt class, and a blue belt that has no prior experience training 2 years who is cleaning up at ADCC opens.
@marksanchez7323
11 ай бұрын
It's actually static drilling that typically requires both people to know what they're doing to get the most value out of it. Go practice knee slices on white belts who don't know how to provide any resistance. It's not the most productive training after a certain amount of reps. The advantage of this type of training is that it's largely independent of your partners skill level. If the game is to break your opponents posture in closed guard it doesn't matter if they're terrible or amazing because you're practicing fundamental movements against a resisting opponent
@jackinhoff8058
Жыл бұрын
Why don’t you say people’s full names? No names for the champs you showed at the beginning and all I know is the instructor’s name is Greg and someone named Deandre. Good job giving your full name tho 🤡
@JoshRichBJJ
Жыл бұрын
Can only put so much text on screen in the beginning with the champ’s names (otherwise u can’t read it in time) and I used Greg’s full name as you can see at 3:00
@nathankurtz5960
Жыл бұрын
I wish so badly i could train this way. Hard to do when you dont have control over classes.
@nile7999
Жыл бұрын
my instructor shows 7 variations, we always forget the last 6, rambles on for 10 minutes, and then gets angry at his training partner for not telepathically understanding what they have to do
@12XxXHandlesAreStupidXxX123
Жыл бұрын
@@nile7999 sounds like you need a new gym.
@nile7999
Жыл бұрын
@@12XxXHandlesAreStupidXxX123 I wish, but the next gym is 30 mins away 😭
@nathankurtz5960
Жыл бұрын
@@nile7999 that's not that far...
@lukej7283
Жыл бұрын
I imagine the best part of this gym is the coach/instructor isnt a Brazilian talking about Brazil and how Jiu Jitsu can change yout life for the better & how many competitions he won 15 years ago by training and drilling these techniques and to stop questioning his technique and to just drill, then only spending 10-15 minutes rolling, after 15 minutrs of drilling because the brazilian coach talked for half the class about muh respect for Jiu Jitsu
@jordangill2710
Ай бұрын
I have just started BJJ and I am a teacher and tutor. I have never encountered something so badly taught in my entire life, seems clear to me that BJJ guys are extremely bad at teaching. Flaws in BJJ teaching that you would NEVER encounter in professional teaching 1. No clear objectives in lessons 2. Mixed ability sparring (just means that high level guys demoralise and destroy low level guys and neither actually learns anything in the process). A purple belt smashing a white belt is a waste of time for both of them. 3. The students do not know the requirement to attain the next belt level. There is no way to assess progress other than how many times you’ve tapped/been tapped. 4. The warmups are unrelated to the class or skills 5. Sparring is unrelated to the moves drilled 6. Moves chosen to drill are mostly random with no system 7. There is no clear curriculum for beginners 8. All learning is done by the student independently at home using KZitem or instructionals or subscriptions they must pay for and teach themselves on top of their monthly gym membership 9. It is just expected that the beginning 6 months-1 year will be a bad experience for the student 10. Learning is ineffective and inefficient trial and error 11. The coaching team have no dedicated coach that specialises in newcomers and white belts and checks in on their progress and offers any tips or encouragement It’s the equivalent of learning to drive, and every driving lesson shows you one new part of the car unrelated to anything else you’ve learned, then you’re told to drive on the road when you can’t drive yet, and then when you crash you’re told “oh yeah the first year of driving sucks”. It’s the dumbest teaching methodology I have ever seen in my life.
@yugen
Жыл бұрын
This is actually the core philosophy of straight blast gym, and they've been teaching it for well over 20 years. The 3 i's - Introduction, isolation, integration. Introduction is introducing a technique, isolation is the type of "game" drills being shown here, integration is integrating those games into your game. The "drills" that are being described here are what Matt Thornton calls "dead patterns". If you're interested in this kind of martial arts history, check out Matt Thorntons functional Jeet Kune Do series 1 & 2 from the 90's. Unfortunately for them, aside from the fame of Conor McGregor, marketing hasn't really been their strength and so even though they pioneered a lot of these concepts, they will often go overlooked.
@micaylapresley
11 ай бұрын
I've competed against a ton of SBG ladies and they're always so tough and skilled. It seems be beneficial for conditioning beyond drilling too
@yugen
11 ай бұрын
@@micaylapresley Nice! Where at? I knew Amanda and Leah from SBG Portland when I coached there, but i've been out of the game for a long time and they've moved to other places.
@40acresandatractor
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣That's drilling too👍🏽
@frankiecal3186
Жыл бұрын
Drilling is king not just in wrestling but in all sports.
@CallumDempseyLeach
Жыл бұрын
seems quite pedagogically sound
@RomeroXVII
8 ай бұрын
They're drilling, just situationals, it's a solid approach; I personally prefer this.
@Michael89240
Жыл бұрын
oh I went there in rockville. Greg is all right
@nirvrock77
Жыл бұрын
Really interesting.
@r8m8s8
Жыл бұрын
I miss jits, looks like a cool gym format
@mal3293
Жыл бұрын
I think that kind of learning is useful but Definitely not where jujitsu is heading we probably will see this kind of training more incorporated though
@jtah81
Жыл бұрын
So when you call drilling a game, its not drilling. Makes good marketing material :)
@GabrielGarcia-u8v
10 ай бұрын
they do the same thing in many Kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, it's like a 50/50 sparring and drilling.. It's basically sparring with more parameters and rules, and each person has a goal.. The problem with constant static drilling (and this is one of the main issues with traditional Martial Arts), is the parameters present during a more live simulation aren't present in a drill pattern scenario.. so the skills necessary to successfully execute a technique in the practical application aren't being established in a practical environment.. The better fighters and practitioners of any Martial Arts in the practical application are always going to be the ones who spar frequently (mainly lightly) and compete whenever possible.. There are some Clubs in the MMA world, mainly invitational, where practically all they do is spar, spar, spar.. And they spar lightly, they roll at a controlled pace, not hard, not super fast, and not exhaustive.. The less you gas out, the longer you are able to spar, the name of the game is maximizing your time and energy expenditure towards the "live" environment scenario.. and at the end of the day its about the hours you put in, the longer you are in that "live" environment scenario the more comfortable you get, the more you are able to relax and focus while in a live situation..
@MrDvfdsv
Жыл бұрын
I think playing games makes your brain understand why you're doing certain movements, what the goal is, so you have a sense of direction instead of a jumble of fancy techniques.
@ggd1444
Жыл бұрын
I guess this method allows each practitioner to learn their own styles and techniques and what works for them best. Drilling often involves techniques that aren’t that applicable to certain body and mobility types, skill levels etc.
@8020drummer
Жыл бұрын
Ok I think I understand some of the potential and one of the limitations of this system. Part of the potential is our brains are set up to learn to problem solve. Give us a goal to optimize toward and a constraint, and we’ll naturally get better and better at reaching that goal. And as the blue belt guy says, it’s way easier to internalize principles when you’ve got deep firsthand knowledge of what worked and what didn’t than simply to memorize a paint by numbers. The limitation of the 100% learn-by-doing system is the data set. You may be getting false signal about what “works” because it works on your opponent in class, but any high level competitor could see it wouldn’t work against the “high level guys”. In those situations, memorizing a sequence then reverse engineering it and seeing what you can pull out or augment by running it in real rolls, might be better. In my completely uninformed purple belt opinion, the best approach is probably a combination of both.
@noahshaffner9692
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the potential for bad looks or non optimal reactions exist in all gyms, regardless of approach. Unless you had a gym full of perfect grapplers of course😂. And you can still explore the idea/function of a movement without necessarily breaking it down into steps.
@8020drummer
Жыл бұрын
@@noahshaffner9692 true, but in most gyms the “paint by numbers” approach is supposed to mitigate some of the bad looks
@TheMightyMcClaw
Жыл бұрын
I dig it. One of the biggest strengths of grappling arts has been there emphasis on live training and autodidactic learning models, and this doubles down on both.
@dvldgz6306
Жыл бұрын
I move a lot and have been to many different gyms. I think they key factor is your drilling partner to resist enough that you only succeed about 60-70% of the time. If you always fail progress is slow. If you always succeed cuz it's no resistance then you never advance. Those people are hard to find it's also hard to find a coach cool with it
@MaharlikaAWA
10 ай бұрын
Hi I do BJJ training without training. We don't practice at our gym. But we have three works champions.
@BMO_Creative
Жыл бұрын
Wow man! Yeah! Gamification of a small target is WAY BETTER than drilling a specific named maneuver! The maneuver requires a lot of "assistance" and "postering" where these smaller elements make up a maneuver you may not even know the name of! Awesome!
@thaboshikwambane
8 ай бұрын
Bren Veziroglu made a video about this learning method without using these words and from that point, I really wished there was a school that taught this way. Now I find the school and it's all the way in the US. 😭 If there are any practitioners of this teaching method in South Africa 🇿🇦, please let me know
@erickovarik4868
Жыл бұрын
Situational drills?
@TUBESTEAKNIG
8 ай бұрын
People need to stop following dogmas and cultish behavior. Drill or don't drill isn't the question. It should be to what extent.
@fadingship935
8 ай бұрын
Yes! On one hand, drilling techniques thousands of times without any resistance is basically worthless. When opponent resists, its almost no use. But on the other hand, how can you possibly use a technique in positional rolls when you dont even know how to perform a technique against a non-resisting partner? So you need to drill an unknown technique or to keep your memory warm. After drilling few techniques and scenarios of a position, add resistance which basically means making the drill into positional rolling/minigames.
@PhreshNicky
Жыл бұрын
My coach calls it drilling but this is pretty much what we do. It’s a mix of games and traditional drilling.
@failforwardfast8609
Жыл бұрын
drilling sucks and is lame and is boring BUT it does work, it is helpful. We also do a flowing concept where we go at like 50% and ask for our partner to help via suggestions and coaching if we get stuck.
@wakeupwitnesses1954
10 ай бұрын
1.5 hr class, with 20+ mins warmup and then 40 mins of drilling is why I haven’t been training at a particular gym around here.
@subradiant_music
Жыл бұрын
yeah this is still drilling lol it's just concept drilling or what we call "live drilling" he wasn't close to the first person to invent it. I've been to schools where they don't drill at all. they just roll. I've been to gyms that just drill and hardly roll. I've been to gyms that just 1 technique of the day and just roll. All concepts work to a degree. It all depends on the person and teacher. I like live drilling but it can be frustrating when my professor will say. Stop him from passing guard but no leg entanglements or sweeps. What I don't like about it and I feel like is a con is. That person will now try to go unbalanced on his passes because he knows I am not allowed to sweep therefore ruining his fundamental on how to properly pass. That is the only thing I disagree with in live drilling Live drilling shouldn't be handicapped. This is similar to a concept he runs here. Don't pass, just try to keep your feet in front. I think works to a degree but it has his cons. I like regular live drilling not handicapped live drilling.
@iamXavierLee
Жыл бұрын
“The invisible Jiu Jitsu” Greg Souder knows what’s up
@kravmagaCDK
Жыл бұрын
This is all what I call drilling. However for aggressive young white belts with egos it's injuries waiting to happen
@Immorpher
8 ай бұрын
I went to a gym that drilled but never drilled the basics. It was always some series of things, and I felt it took longer for me to get the basics than I should have. The gym did have a handful of successful grapplers, but they were heavyweights on steroids.
@bryanjohnson8162
Жыл бұрын
You can train without drilling. But the concept of drilling is still a good one. Building muscle memory so that your body just does it instinctually. Muscle memory comes from doing something repetitively and you won't do something repetitively in a rolling concept.
@mcnoodles76
Жыл бұрын
Define muscle memory and how it works please.
@fallerstephan9976
Жыл бұрын
I think this system of concepts are great. With new students though, they have to learn where/ at what angles their limbs are safe and not during scrambles so they don’t hurt themselves
@SlowbeyBryant
Жыл бұрын
There is 0 evidence to back this up. Ecological dynamics are the best way for new students to learn the concepts you listed
@fallerstephan9976
Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a lot of new students injure themselves because they don’t understand anatomy and their own bodies yet. Ever watch white belts try takedown sparring for the first time?
@tededo
Жыл бұрын
Kit Dale: (...) mindless drilling. Andre Galvao: Drillers make killers. Keenan Cornelius: look at where drilling got me. The accomplishments of Galvao and Keenan are monstrous compare to Dale. I've trained grappling since early 2000s. I cannot imagine not having drilled when I was freestyle and greco wrestling, no way. As for BJJ there are couple of techniques that requires drilling, while others dont. This is like when I boxed (25 years amateur), and the hundred+ jabs and combos we drilled that got us to make leaps and bounds in amateur boxing. Now go tell Khabib and his former Russian wrestling team that drilling isnt that necessary, and I can already hear Khabib showing how best grapplers always drilled a ton. You can be good without grappling, dont get me wrong, but why staying good while you can be better with drilling, is the point.
@makekotor3722
Жыл бұрын
I've found that putting more emphasis on drilling combined with recording my rolls speeds everything up. For the longest time I wasn't drilling much and my rolls were very sporadic. Now I'm having more consistent success and am closing the skill gap with higher levels and larger and more athletic opponents. All thanks to taking a more active approach to drilling the fundamentals.
@rdeloges7957
Жыл бұрын
Love this. Reminds me of the whole Polyglot movement (which I am part of). You don't "learn" a language with "drills", grammar flashcards, conjugation practice. You "acquire" a language, just like you learned to ride a bike.
@danieldelanoche2015
Жыл бұрын
Are there specific types of training you did to help you acquire the languages? I'm actually very interested.
@rdeloges7957
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Start listening to podcasts, watch your favorite shows (if any) on Netflix or whatever, in the other language, using the OTHER language subtitles, change your phone settings to the other language. Speak to any native speaker in that language etc. You can "learn grammar" and review material all day...that would be like watching BJJ videos (which CAN be helpful, don't get me wrong), but the bottom line is, ROLLING is what helps you learn a language (actually going up against "resistance" by speaking, listening, reading in that language). @@danieldelanoche2015
@asmirasmir522
Жыл бұрын
I just did this kind of training last night. I can only say, it’s amazing. You have so much time to think and adjust, great thing 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@samuelemeryjiujitsu
Жыл бұрын
Games are a version of drilling. ❤
@rebel927
Жыл бұрын
Cool. But notice that everyone in the class is male, in their prime, and in great shape. The method of bjj won't work for most people. I'm in dad, in dad shape, dad age, come to class twice a week like dad's do. I'm not interested in being crushed so others can learn. I want a slow pace, one move, repping it out as many times as I can over the course of the hour.
@dankganja
Жыл бұрын
my way is to drill until I got the muscle memory to the point where I can vividly visualise the move, keep repeating in my head and then implement it during rolling.
@keepmoving7501
Жыл бұрын
what's your definition of "drilling" because this is LITERALLY drilling; technical sparring is drilling.
@WatchingTrainsGoBy-PassingTime
Жыл бұрын
It's a marketing ploy. It's not the first time someone took a system of martial arts or exercise, switched up the routine to make it look a little different, and "rebranded" it to make it stand out and get buzz. And if you think they're not still drilling more traditionally on their own once they discover weaknesses or want to get better at specific techniques you're kidding yourself, not us. lol I know lot's of girls that said they'd never been kissed before too. ;) Just cuz someone says it, doesn't mean it's "technically true". I also know some people that claim to be 100% vegan, BUT WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BELIEVE THAT AREN'T LOOKIN'... LOL I believe the best coaches/gyms are the ones that would use both the games and the traditional drilling to improve techniques. It seems natural actually. I didn't know there were gyms that ONLY did one or the other.
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