Icon walking out of Capital of the Confederacy with Jefferson Davis's head in his hand is the most cathartic thing I have seen in so long
@daingermouz2077
3 жыл бұрын
What? I gotta get my paws on this book?
@hijvgkolfsr5871
3 жыл бұрын
What I gotta do to be this guy
@alextclulz
3 жыл бұрын
Had to Google it, buts he's invulnerable unless he's surprised by an attack. So his weakness isn't wood, it's that he didn't see it coming because he was stabbed in the back.
@lilmoon1890
3 жыл бұрын
Basically anyone that can turn invisible or great stealth. That’s kinda useless unless he knows their coming
@DeeboX-vv8ji
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@quintonchristmas9608
3 жыл бұрын
While I was not aware of that I'm going to have to look it up myself but if it does prove to be true it still does raise a point of concern for me because we'll why would you do that to icon Superman is invulnerable all the time in fact I'm hard-pressed to think of one white superhero in the DC Comic Book Realm Ben has invulnerability ordinary invulnerability that's not just always active passively all the time really how many characters have to see it come in in order to be invulnerable so once again is going to make me question what why did they give him this kind of a weakness work and everybody can take them out all you need is a sniper to End Icon that's just whack and it makes me question does he have such a glaring weakness because he's black it's because he's black right
@lilmoon1890
3 жыл бұрын
@@quintonchristmas9608 maybe it’s to bring more of a power difference between him and Superman. Icon on of those characters based on Superman !??
@quintonchristmas9608
3 жыл бұрын
@Bill Mikey that sounds more like it
@moreknowledge2553
3 жыл бұрын
Boy this is Catcher Freeman.
@trevorghalt1881
3 жыл бұрын
Yes it is 🤣🔥🔥
@mrwright2289
3 жыл бұрын
Right!!
@vernonhampton5863
3 жыл бұрын
Oh no! No he is not!
@FelixMulenga
3 жыл бұрын
This issue was amazing. Really excited to see what happens next.
@powerbad696
3 жыл бұрын
The art work on this issue is GREAT!!! And the story has my attention.The issue of ending slavery was never addressed in the old Icon series but handled very well here,Icon holding the head of the confedaracy's president was PRICELESS and unexpected!!! WOW.Like the way the story is setting up future events and how Icon and Rocket are taking on urban crime.Especially Rocket hitting up women beatters in the hood,something even Superman doesn;t do.But he did when he was first created.If this title continues with the great art and storylines I'll do something I haven't done since 2007-BUY A CURRENT COMIC at cover price and visit a comic shop.And Ernie I agree with everything you said,not to suckup to you but it makes sense.Well done sir,PEACE.
@brockbrown3937
3 жыл бұрын
Now, I thought Icon was invulnerable? So he can withstand bombs, bullets, cannons, fire.... but WOOD CAN KILL HIM?
@CriticalNerdTheory424
3 жыл бұрын
I know...that just doesn't make sense
@tevinperry1853
3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure that was the dudes arm
@tevinperry1853
3 жыл бұрын
Like I think he’s a shapeshifter
@madmatt1964ify
3 жыл бұрын
If hes bulletproof, how does wood kill/ injure him?
@nutznchocolates56
3 жыл бұрын
pecker. wood.
@vernonhampton5863
3 жыл бұрын
I have always loved Icon and Rocket. Hell, when they appeared on Young Justice, I as an almost 40 year old man almost cried, I"m not joking or ashamed to admit it. Now on the point of this video, in the original run of the comic he did live as a slave and helped during the final years of slavery with the underground railroad and served in the Union Army. But for me, as a reader, I think the reason he didn't violently end slavery because of two reasons. 1) The logic and escalation reason. If he started 'clapping cheeks', he would be a rally point for other slaves to resist and fight back. The problem would be the death toll and the Roman Solution to slavery of killing off the other slaves that were non combatant to pressure a surrender (US Government did that with native Americans during post war westward expansion). Augustus would go unscathed by the barbaric Civil War weaponry, but he would lose the numbers game. He didn't want to risk so many lives. 2) His personal code as a lawyer and member of the Collective. He didn't want to interfere with human development as a species. He could have used his Cornucopia tech from his pod to create advanced armament for any slaves to fight back. But, it would technologically jumpstart humans before they were ready for that advancement. He'd be responsible for giving cavemen Glocks. I mean, imagine if there were bunker busters during the Spanish American War, or satellite mounted weaponry in Korea? So yes, I think that, as dark as it may be, Augustus (or Arnus) had many reasons not to just go to DC and declare himself King. I think the direction this comic is going in is very interesting.
@CrisisComics
2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't make much sense that the way Benedict Lord is telling it, if the entire White House was destroyed, but Jefferson Davis' death was kept secret by the Union instead of used for propaganda purposes. They would've LOVED to point out "Look, their president burned his own house to the ground" to anyone who thought the South had a chance at longevity. It'd be like when the Union troops caught him escaping in a dress, but ten times worse. And given that Icon never really confirmed that he killed Jefferson Davis to Rocket (just that he was stabbed in the back and left for dead), my take on it is that this scene never really happened. Benedict is just fabricating a story of how indestructible, uncontrollable, and *murderous* Augustus is to this girl, to nip the possibility in the bud of her teaming up with him or trying to get his side of the story... when in reality his method of liberation was much closer to the original text.
@Ellisdurell
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I watch Young Justice on HBOMax and I had to go look them up after seeing them. I wish they got more screen time tho.
@hoodiek6802
2 жыл бұрын
This is Summed up pretty well
@urodiumexcelsior5608
3 жыл бұрын
Doug is an amazing black artist!
@Stealth7596
3 жыл бұрын
I'm betting my money on Benedict Lorde also being an Alien from Icon's planet except he landed in a the house of a wealthy slave owner.
@petemarqdadon
3 жыл бұрын
I think you right.
@stevenlane5018
3 жыл бұрын
I could totally see that. He's been around for awhile also.
@treylakingz9029
3 жыл бұрын
That made me like him a lot more. I'm into it I'll get the comics now. I'm intrigued with icon.
@denverjohnson5640
3 жыл бұрын
What's amazing about this issue is the narrative surrounding the concerted efforts to maintain the subpar conditions affecting black neighborhoods, and those efforts having roots in the antebellum south.
@mrwright2289
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like similar treatment they gave to blue marvel.
@silverchicken20
3 жыл бұрын
Great story. And a good set up for future antagonists. Thanks for the coverage
@EJCraig-eu2ki
3 жыл бұрын
I think Benedict Lord is Icon's arch nemesis Oblivion who is of the same Terminian race just as Icon is. He was the one who sabotaged the cruiser ship that Icon was on and stranded Icon on Earth after escaping the doomed ship in an escape pod back in the mid-1800's initially in the original comic book storyline. Now apparently the new writers have seemed to have changed the story and may have included Oblivion as going to Earth being stranded there as well? Also I'm not digging the storyline component of Icon giving the Earth government technology. In the original comic book storyline when Icon made it home from Earth and when he debriefed the Cooperative about what had happened to him over a hundred years ago and they had finished up with his report the main Terminian Cooperative magistrate told Icon that he was under strict orders from the Cooperative to not share any technology with the Earth's government. Rocket and Hardware were the only exceptions to the rule. Icon was the one who gave Hardware Terminian technology to help with his mech suit in exchange for repairing a long range galactic space transmitter or a homing beacon that was damaged when Icon first crashed on Earth back in the 1800's so that it could help get him back home from Earth in which Hardware finally did manage to fix it. Secondly Icon of course gave Rocket the inertia belt to give her power and protection when fighting crime with him. The writers having Icon give the government technology especially technology that the NSA has used against Black people is fucking whack all the way! What the hell Benedict Lord really for then?! It feels like a contradiction to me. Anyway the story is getting good and seriously heating up and I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
@richardjohnson9543
3 жыл бұрын
HBO Max needs to start working on either a live action or animated adaptation of this asap. I read the original run in the 90s and for all these years I've been waiting for these two(and the rest of Milestone)to make the jump beyond the comics page and so far all we've gotten is Static Shock. Back in the day I thought Avery Brooks and Jada Pinkett would've made a great Icon and Rocket
@o-wolf
Жыл бұрын
They need to leave DC &WB &start developing MOVIES with this.. not no TV series.. why do we always think small? This is basically our black superman sure it's flawed &needs a s tier writer to touch it up.. but the premise is golden &could've been extremely interesting if it was made a couple yrs ago
@petemarqdadon
3 жыл бұрын
Bruh this issue was great! The part where he walked out with Jefferson Davis head was magnificent
@yaramyahgabar3110
3 жыл бұрын
The strength of unity among our ppl, is the true " Super Power" and the downfall of the oppressors.
@IIBonafide
2 жыл бұрын
If Icon was bulletproof, how could he be impaled by a piece of wood?!!!
@admirekashiri9879
2 жыл бұрын
Men your channel is underrated I'm loving this series thus far. Men I wish I could get a hard copy I live in the UK can't find one anywhere.
@christopherhugle8473
3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work on your channel 👍 keep hustling
@Odinson69
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Icon getting another run, I really liked his runs in the 90's
@lukefuller8282
3 жыл бұрын
My issue with this is that is not how the history of black ppl worked. Black people never stopped fighting for freedom and the stories of people like Nat Turner actually inspired the enslaved despite the savagery that was used to kill him and others like him. Blacks would have never let Icon's memory die just like they have never let the history of many heroes and revolutionaries die. Also, unless icon was dead until slavery ended he could have "died" comeback and picked up where he started off. Movements like the Haitian revolution and the Maroons in Jamaica showed that if pressed hard enough slavers do just give up. The issue with America the enslaved where severely outnumbered and often spread out from one another, but if you have Icon none of this matters. It also sucks that Icon's weakness is surprise....he must hate birthdays.
@trence5
3 жыл бұрын
I know right? It's head-scratching.
@trevorghalt1881
3 жыл бұрын
Actually really sick story ngl and the villain sounds interesting
@vernonhampton5863
3 жыл бұрын
Also, you get a thumbs up because Icon and Rocket.
@o-wolf
Жыл бұрын
A fascinating underrated & underutilized character I think he has the potential to be an ICONIC superhero if someone saw fit to invest properly in milestone instead of keeping them in licensing shackles like DC have done ANYWAYS heres my Milestone Media Cinematic Universe fancast Static - Caleb McLaughlin Icon - Will Smith Rocket - Marsai Martin/Kiki Palmer Think Tank (Hardware) - MBJ/Trevante Rhodes *BLOOD SYNDICATE* Wise Son - John Boyega/Trevante Rhodes Tech-9 - Antony Ramos/Rome Flynn Fade - Jeremy Pope Flashback - Laura Harrier 3rd Rail - Ross Butler Brickhouse - Simone Joy Jones/Sierra Aina Mclain/Tenika Davis Aquamaria - Alexa Demie/Lindsay Morgan/Cierra Ramirez Xombi - Steven Yeun Holocaust - Yahya Abdul Mateen Edwin Alva - Chris Pine (bearded long haired Tech Mogul Elon musk type quite adept at exploiting other ppls genius to his own benefit)
@dramonmaster222
2 жыл бұрын
Just like the real world, the people in power will do whatever it takes to STAY in power.
@Julius.Council3
3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like an excellent storyline. Keep it up bro.
@lateefpou2986
3 жыл бұрын
My brother I'm grateful for your channel. U tell them Lil bro let. Them know
@agreenidge
3 жыл бұрын
Wait 🤔🤨 bullets and cannons couldn't hurt him. But a sharpened stick killed him? Really? 😔😒
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
That’s Reggie for you...🤷🏿♂️
@rjones6127
3 жыл бұрын
Way better issue than issue 1. I was really critical of Hudlin’s writing initially but now I think if the story continues in this direction it’ll be amazing. Glad it’s not copy-paste of the old Icon stories.
@infinitecontent8001
3 жыл бұрын
Ernie, I'm loving the Milestone relaunch... I will say that if ICON has morphogenic DNA, what's to keep him from having morphogenic tech (i.e. tech that allows the users to see him and Rocket in the image the viewers desire to see them as)... I wanna see how this guy Lord plays into Alva's history and other Milestone folk..
@vernonhampton5863
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, in the original run, Icon's pod contained cornucopia technology. Think a super Star Trek replicator. So he could have morphogenic tech. However, this run of the character is going a very different direction. We'll have to wait and see if it goes the same way.
@Yo_its_Daim
3 жыл бұрын
No lie, you have the most fire intro theme song lol... the videos always end up being longer for me because I always start them over to hear the intro lol
@countsekou490
3 жыл бұрын
Same question was asked of Blue Marvel.
@Brown597
2 жыл бұрын
Man he didn’t do shit during the civil right era
@vincentfranklin17
3 жыл бұрын
I bought my copy yesterday. I loved it!
@NigelByrd
2 жыл бұрын
What do you think blerd: should heroes keep their secret identities
@Ellisdurell
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. You have some talent for this comic breakdown game 👌🏾
@koozg7579
Жыл бұрын
And make it look easy!
@orbitsnoogslaghouse1188
3 жыл бұрын
Very good comic book. Glad it's back.
@devv197
2 жыл бұрын
Hope they give a WAY better explanation on how he could get stabbed in the back by some wood. And if his weakness is getting taken by surprise, you mean to tell me not ONE person tried to sneak attack him before hand? And if he has super hearing how did he get stabbed in the back without hearing anyone behind him? It makes no sense. This is why I think Black Superheroes dont make sense during the slave times because then you would have to come up with a solid reason on why they didn’t free all the slaves. They should just have them grow up in the 1900’s.
@jonasadams3173
3 жыл бұрын
This pretty much proves the whole, “oh he’d just escalate the conflict” and “he didn’t want to risk lives” to be pretty much bullshit, right? You only see roundabout resistance to slavery when they don’t have the power to oppose openly and directly. The idea that Augustus could’ve done everything we see him do here, and just choose not to is a holdover from the shiftless and reclusive, hardass, conservative black man we saw from the 90s. I’m so glad we have a real reason for why he didn’t finish what he clearly had a reason to start.
@yrretgnortsmra8955
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't really matter at the end of the day we knew he wasn't going to stop slavery or stop the Confederacy completely. At least in the original he helped free from slaves join the Union Army and being proactive in the Civil War here oh he does help free slaves and kill the president of the Confederacy but he gets stabbed in the back making all that time and effort he put in pointless?
@jonasadams3173
2 жыл бұрын
@@yrretgnortsmra8955 Except he could’ve. The only reason he didn’t was because another otherworldly, supernatural force countered him. This issue specifically shows that the arguments saying “he’d never succeed beating the Confederacy” we’re wrong and lays them to rest. It was very much within his capabilities and he had the intention of doing so. He also literally helps the free the slaves from the plantations he liberated when his powers manifested, so no. It wasn’t pointless. Him being out of commission gives us a real reason why he didn’t end the Confederacy by himself, rather than the fake reason of “fear that White America could take it out on other non-powered slaves”. The result of slavery and white supremacist terrorism occurs in both versions of the character, but only one version has a reason for how they were able to happen on his watch (the new one). Killing the Confederate President was still a win for him and the movement he started. Him getting killed by Lords doesn’t make that pointless. It recontextualizes why Icon couldn’t continue as long as Lord had the ability to wound him that badly
@CrisisComics
2 жыл бұрын
@@jonasadams3173 But then why didn't he go to Washington and make sure that people DID know about his presence if he wanted to "Send a Message"? I'm sure Douglass and co. would've appreciated at least knowing he was out there... especially with Reconstruction on the horizon. And if he DID single-handedly wipe out the Confederacy's top brass, then why did the Union cover up their mysterious deaths and that smoking hole in the ground where the mansion was instead of using it as a *massive* propaganda blow to the South? My guess is that since Benedict (who hates Icon) was the one narrating this story to the liaison chick, he was just fabricating a story of how indestructible, uncontrollable, and murderous Augustus is to play up her racist fears about him. That way she'd be less likely to try and approach Icon and get *his* side of the story when she thinks "That could be MY head he's holding up next", when in reality, his liberation efforts were nothing like the fearmongering bug described.
@princewya
2 жыл бұрын
- Not really, this is a result of bad writing. Icon eliminating the head of Confederacy would be considered as a time-altering event. That action he did could have instilled fear in the South-that could possibly even fuel thoughts of slaveowners committing genocide on enslaved African-Americans considering one had metahuman abilities, or bring up unwanted plots and questions the writers would have to address which would make divert attention from the premise of Icon, which is him integrating into today’s society after living through the 19th century His original reason was not to interfere with the course of human history, and him using his powers openly may play a huge part in doing so; as it is against the law according to The Cooperative (the union Icon's planet is apart of). However, he tried to contribute in any way that he can without completely altering events, which include the Underground Railroad, Civil War, WWII, and Civil Rights Movement.
@scinnyc
3 жыл бұрын
🤔So fire, swords, bullets and canon balls don't hurt him but wood does? Who is he...Alan Scott?
@larryjr9705
3 жыл бұрын
As long as I've waited for DC to put this out, I'm just glad we are getting an Icon comic. Not only that but DC is also giving us Val Zod and President Calvin Ellis, whom I love. With those three in the current titles, you'd think Marvel would put Adam Brashear back in a comic. 😒😒😒
@petemarqdadon
3 жыл бұрын
I know Calvin Ellis is in Infinite Frontier where is Val-zod showing up at.
@larryjr9705
3 жыл бұрын
@@petemarqdadon Superman Red & Blue.
@patd9850
3 жыл бұрын
That’s why you build your armies and generals. So it’s not on all one person.
@Dogofwar9
Жыл бұрын
What it comes down to is jason todd’s point. You cant rule everyone with fear. What do you do with people who aren’t afraid? Thats why his attempts failed.
@cliftonhatchett1724
3 жыл бұрын
Always wondered why, but now I know. Thanx bro.
@MrDp115
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with secret identities being ridiculous, by that logic people should learn who Bruce Wayne, Diana Prince and Clark Kent are automatically.
@yrretgnortsmra8955
3 жыл бұрын
I agree secret identities are there for a reason there to protect themselves from the various villains and from the law because technically those superheroes are breaking the law. And you mean to tell me Batman cyborg or any superhero that has technical knowledge can't just hack into a government system and just delete all those photos?
@Oldguyr9608
2 жыл бұрын
@@yrretgnortsmra8955 +
@oliviamiller1388
Жыл бұрын
What about the Heroes Static Shock, Black Lightning, and also his younger Superhero k Children Thunder and Lightning!
@gabrielmccreaii431
3 жыл бұрын
So, his invulnerability is akin to a force field? And even more-so like Invisible Woman? He, for the most part, turns it on and off?
@highlight915
3 жыл бұрын
People are always gonna complain. F*ck em. This series, and Milestone Media are pivotal for today's generation.
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
This isn’t Milestone Media... especially with Hudlin at the helm...
@_Dee2nd
3 жыл бұрын
@@princewya Facts.
@Brown597
2 жыл бұрын
@@princewya fasho man they gave icon a stupid weakness
@jermainenowels9511
3 жыл бұрын
Wood can hurt him, I thought he was invulnerable.
@vernonhampton5863
3 жыл бұрын
Nope. Even in the original run, Icon is described as tough. He's even injured by the bang baby Payback. He does have a healing factor and wears body armor under his costume.
@_Dee2nd
3 жыл бұрын
@@vernonhampton5863 Bullets bounce off him, wood should do nothing. Payback’s claws are much stronger than wood or bullets.
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
Wood’s not supposed to hurt him...The writer is on some BS and he clearly doesn’t know the character at all. 😒
@vernonhampton5863
3 жыл бұрын
@@princewya put enough force behind a sharp piece of wood and it can go through a few things. Also, this is essentially a new world version of Icon who may have a different power level. They even tell you that he started his revolt after freshly gaining his powers.
@Shng275
3 жыл бұрын
Could the alien be Kali'kak from the OG series!? He was a shape shifter and Arnus' aka Icon's nemesis.
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
I doubt it
@Shng275
3 жыл бұрын
@@princewya Idk man. Kinda fits IMO. Dude is possibly an alien that's as strong as Icon. He's about the only character from the OG series that actually gave him a challenge.
@EJCraig-eu2ki
3 жыл бұрын
Shng275, it really looks like him though especially at the end of issue #2 when they show half of Benedict Lord's face and half of Oblivion's face. Yeah I'm betting that's him for sure!
@woodywoodduhman1506
3 жыл бұрын
That would be a good tv movie series or movie
@lionheart944
3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@MrHarryc727
3 жыл бұрын
Blerd always adding value
@kerv22
3 жыл бұрын
So his weakness is wood???
@17mindgate
3 жыл бұрын
My money is on Benedict= Kali'kak/Oblivion
@dedricklane4899
3 жыл бұрын
Well here goes
@joelhenry5489
3 жыл бұрын
Icon didn't end slavery because the people who created the character suffered from mental slavery.
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
The writer can’t even keep the original reason why Icon couldn’t interfere with slavery....They’re just shoving McDuffie’s work aside...😒...#EarthMid
@RingsideSumo
2 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity what was the original reason?
@princewya
2 жыл бұрын
@@RingsideSumo If I remember correctly, he was - under law not to interfere with critical events of another planet (Icon is known as Arnus, a Terminian from an utopian alliance of planets called The Cooperative )-he did it in a discreet way (helping Harriet free slaves through the Underground Railroad) as opposed to blatantly killing the head of the Confederacy...that type of action comes with consequences that can affect other slaves in the South. - Also he was underdeveloped-he didn’t know the full capabilities of his powers at the time of slavery. It wasn’t until later on that he discovered his superhuman durability, positron manipulation, flight, etc. - He couldn’t show his hand (his powerset) early in his life out of fear he may be made an outcast, or even worse.
@LegendoftheAce1
2 жыл бұрын
I think Danco had a great idea instead of DC doing a Superman movie casting Michael B. Jordan. Why not make an Icon movie! Please put it out in early or mid February
@niceasf7038
3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@dbears1603
3 жыл бұрын
So is does Benedict have a similar deal with the government?
@jonasadams3173
3 жыл бұрын
I like this actually. Before, I’d come up with my own updated origin that actually got into his experiences throughout American History, Post-Civil War. I was also trying to rationalize how a Black conservative of his prior depiction would manifest the way it did after having gone through all that (because I mean, you see what kinda shot they say about it today). So I sorta needed a narrative trajectory to make it make sense. Especially if he was gonna be a hero. For the “not ending slavery” thing I imagined that his powers would develop slowly over time due to the DNA changes introduced to his body being something he wouldn’t have anticipated entirely. But I think I like this story of Icon actually doing the shit everyone was hoping he’d try. I think every time we think about him taking on the whole institution we’ve only ever thought about the mundane implications of the whole nation going to war with a single superpowered individual and had to come up with reasons why he either chose not to or why his Superman-like powers somehow weren’t enough for 19th century technology. But this issue does a great job refocusing the Milestone Universe and reminding us that supernatural forces exist in multiple corners of this world. Of course the opposition would come with more force than we would expect. It was almost maddening before. I’m really glad that it wasn’t Augustus going “oh the politics of this country can’t be dismantled by a single Super Man”. Fuck that. That’s exactly what he was planning to do. The momentum he was building got shut down when he was kicked off the board set. By the time he’d come around again the force would be crushed and Augustus would be aware he’s not the only one on the block. Consistent and determined opposition of the supernatural kind had full intention of stopping him
@CrisisComics
2 жыл бұрын
But then why didn't he do the same to Hitler when World War II rolled around? Or go to DC and help make sure Reconstruction happened the way it was supposed to? If this Civil War event actually happened in the timeline, and he was hell-bent on "sending a message", then he would've made such a destructive spectacle of himself that it'd make Sherman's March look like a traveling circus.
@o-wolf
Жыл бұрын
@@CrisisComicsyup! this is where the explainers don't make any sense &it devolves into iffy comicbook logic.. I love hudlins work &his legacy but this resolution felt LAZY asl.. the whites went &got their own super is just not good enough &as u said what's to stop him hoping the ante down the line.. this is one of my biggest gripes about EVER introducing him in slavery era.. because there's no way to truly absolve him sitting on his ass while lynchings &mass murders took place.. it just does t track u less he INTENTIONALLY sits it out as some prime directive gig
@CrisisComics
Жыл бұрын
@@o-wolf I thought it would be an interesting twist if the villain was really just telling lies about Icon to make him SOUND like a murderer who'd burn down your home and rip off your head just for getting in his way (when really all he did was help with the underground railroad and keep a low profile fighting in the Civil and World Wars). Kinda taking their spark of racist fears and fanning it into a flame, something he's been doing for all other aliens that try to crash land on Earth so he can steal their technology and use it to summon the rest of his species to consume the planet. Then when Icon confronts the government over all the murders they sanctioned based on his archenemy's VERY biased retelling of his history and the galactic community, he's disgusted at how deeply they bought it. Otherwise, the villain is basically a lame reworking of Oblivion with no real motivation to explain his dedication to destroying Icon... which is kind of a shame since Milestone's villains often had a bit of complexity to them, even the transparently evil ones.
@o-wolf
Жыл бұрын
@@CrisisComics what was oblivions deal again? I barely remember any of the milestone villains aside from dharma &holocaust (what is it with milestone &these names?? 🤣🤦🏾♂️) The latter of which was very shallow with no layers.. other than street thug with powers whose mom was a politician I honestly think if milestone hadn't been discontinued so quickly they've evolved put of some of these issues.. but they never really got a chance to grow into themselves
@CrisisComics
Жыл бұрын
@@o-wolf Oblivion is basically a criminal from the same species as Arnus, a serial killer in a society that had long since conquered death and disease. Arnus was the one who sentenced him to imprisonment on a penal colony, where all of his victims would be swiftly resurrected via cloning in the hope of exhausting his impulses and making him see the futility of his ways. Instead, Oblivion not only escaped his confines, but also sought revenge on Arnus by destroying the spaceliner that was carrying him home and kickstarting the events that led to Icon's origin. When Icon finally activated his distress beacon and got rescued by the Cooperative, Oblivion (now fitted with shapeshifting nanotechnology) was drawn from his galactic killing spree to Earth seeking his jailer, and settled for destroying his adoptive home- especially since he was thrilled to discover death was PERMANENT for human beings. Aside from being a mixture of General Zod and Carnage, Oblivion is interesting because McDuffie was basically illustrating how a Utopian society like the Cooperative could still produce a monstrous villain (Icon's opposite in every way). He's a very chilling and dramatic villain who racks up an impressive kill count over the course of his arc- including Buck Wild as he was filling in for Icon. Both he and Icon took their confrontation very personally, to the point that Oblivion adopted a dark mirror of the hero's costume to mock him. There's a lot of personality and menace to him that we never got with Benedict Lord. In fact, NONE of these qualities are present, since Icon doesn't really interact with him, we don't learn anything interesting about him (aside from him butchering Icon's family and doing murders for the government) and Icon doesn't even defeat him through any ingenuity or skill of his own. I feel that Classic Milestone's villains were one of its best aspects. There's plenty of prominent antagonists like Payback, (Icon), Edwin Alva, Deathwish (Hardware), Holocaust (Blood Syndicate), and Hotstreak (Static) who were pretty complex for the time and got a lot of development (Alva being the best example, since he went from being a villain to a mentor to sacrificing his life to save innocents). Holocaust is honestly the outlier since he doesn't really change, but he's honestly much more of a foil for other heroes that come across him (like Static, Icon, Tech-9, and Black Lightning) than a dynamic character- testing how well they stack up against a fiery metahuman with a no-holds-barred attitude and a sense that he's slicker than he really is. Even minor antagonists like Mom and Demon Fox from Blood Syndicate, Reprise and Technique from Hardware, the Bang Babies or Commando X from Static, or Bulletproof, the Yoongar, and Buck Wild from Icon had dashes of panache and character to them that helped lift them off the page. And even if they weren't smart or witty, their plots and powers gave the heroes an interesting challenge to overcome- a formula that Cowan and McDuffie brought with them into the *Static Shock* television series to excellent effect. And unfortunately, that's something which we've been missing in the new books... although that might change with Static Season 2, depending on how they portray Ebon.
@NLTisdabomb
3 жыл бұрын
How is Benedict Lord still alive years later? He an alien too?
@hijvgkolfsr5871
3 жыл бұрын
@ blerd without fear so what is benderict
@Brown597
2 жыл бұрын
Why Blue marvel didn’t help black people during the civil right era ?
@MRWJP4
3 жыл бұрын
💯
@jackieanderson9408
3 жыл бұрын
Damn 😳
@4eyes2killingyou
3 жыл бұрын
Hey you think he may be like that "anti" Icon from the original run?
@rjones6127
3 жыл бұрын
Possibly. I think his name was Oblivion or something?
@4eyes2killingyou
3 жыл бұрын
@@rjones6127 i think so but I dont remember
@kingjoeblack5
3 жыл бұрын
So... In the face of overwhelming odds our black superman just says fuck it? Isnt that the literal opposite of a superhero narrative? How does he ever justify going on to fight the impossible?
@michiganmade5351
3 жыл бұрын
What happened to wash your damn hands
@dukevalsaint1918
3 жыл бұрын
Is he a vampire ?
@toedish2103
3 жыл бұрын
Now now this doesn't make sense he fire bullets and you get stabbed in the back with a piece of wood come on now now that don't make cornbread sense can't forget the cannons
@quintonchristmas9608
3 жыл бұрын
And I don't know if you actually scared people enough or not but when you put somebody in an abandoned room tied up surrounded by a bunch of people with guns and gasoline and other means of torture and death almost everybody run screaming if you let them go I know that sounded a little crazy but I'm just trying to make a point there is the most powerful motivator and yet in comic books they try to make it seem like people just don't get scared and we just going to keep up in the Annie know in real life that's not how it works otherwise Wars would not have ended duh and also criminals would not have the power they have the power that criminals will is the power of fear because most people in the face of true fear and Terror in the face of true Danger most people shrink most people hide and run most people try to survive most people don't fight back most people don't last out animal people act like they didn't even seeing here or know anything about the crimes taking place cuz that's too scared to be a witness so no my friend I am sorry none of this Stacks up none of this adds up no way in hell Superman comes down and says this is not rocking anymore starts killing people and anybody other than other superheroes says hey let's go fight him with a stick
@byronford31
3 жыл бұрын
So Jon Kent gets to take on forest fires and what not. Yet our heroes still have to deal with slavery narratives. Smh
@Tystarr
3 жыл бұрын
We're still dealing with the ramifications of slavery. Makes sense
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tystarr - Although, Icon’s story originated during slavery, his story wasn’t centralized around it.
@kingjoeblack5
2 жыл бұрын
So you'd rather black heroes put out forest fires than actually deal with black issues? That's dumb
@hijvgkolfsr5871
3 жыл бұрын
How you can lose it when it wasnat yourself in the first place
@alejandrosantos2611
3 жыл бұрын
Wait icon was a part of the underground railroad. He helped free slaves. Really wood? Icon the guy who can go toe to toe with superman is weaken by wood. Who wrote this?
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
Reggie Hudlin is writing this series....He’s not really a writer that respects continuity and lore. 😒
@alejandrosantos2611
3 жыл бұрын
@@princewya dam for real? He did a great job with black panther. How did he messed this up. Plus why didn't they stick to his original costume.
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrosantos2611 - Hudlin re-wrote all the flagship characters origins just to make them relevant-but he did a pretty poor job at setting their foundations. - The color scheme for the costume is close to the original, but originally the redesign only had Icon wearing black, red, and gold.
@alejandrosantos2611
3 жыл бұрын
@@princewyaa very poor job indeed. It's his boots that bother me about the costume. Also where is his mask?
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrosantos2611 - As for the mask, Hudlin chose to remove that aspect of the character 😒. People know that he’s Icon. - As for the boots, I’m not that much of a fan of either. I liked the banded black boots
@stresswun1
3 жыл бұрын
ive never seen this comic, who makes it?
@badhombre8585
3 жыл бұрын
Dc
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
Reggie Hudlin wrote this issue-it was made by Milestone Comics
@scinnyc
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that they finally covered Icon's reaction to slavery. Him not fighting back but becoming a superhero in modern times when we were free always bothered me. In the original series all he did was help some slaves escape
@CrisisComics
2 жыл бұрын
...and he also fought on the ground in both the Civil War AND the World Wars. Considering that all he wanted was to escape our planet, it's amazing he did that much.
@phatmantv
3 жыл бұрын
This is the same question I had for Eternals. It seems like it'll be BS excuses nonetheless.
@craigalston2208
3 жыл бұрын
That's the STUPIDEST excuse I've ever heard .
@scbetton
3 жыл бұрын
So what if Benedict lord has the power to nullify icons powers? That might be why he could stab him with a wooden stake when everybody else couldn’t hurt him with guns and cannons.
@EJCraig-eu2ki
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting analogy right there! Very interesting indeed!
@ampocalypsew3883
3 жыл бұрын
Yo not gonna lie, this is better than the original
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
Lotta plotholes bruh, lotta plotholes....
@hrwatchinpuff6551
5 ай бұрын
Icon was a lame ass hero...sadly created by a brother. Image how he could’ve changed history...but did nothing for a 150 years.
@4eyes2killingyou
3 жыл бұрын
second i guess
@xerohcool
3 жыл бұрын
Congrats! Enjoy it!
@craiganbrooks1485
2 жыл бұрын
I thought that icon was even more powerful than Superman and I thought that his power set was more versatile is this not truth?
@princewya
2 жыл бұрын
This is a different version of Icon--a poorly written one, imo
@Brown597
2 жыл бұрын
@@princewya exactly I hated how they did him dirty in the milestone relaunch i know Dwayne Mcduffie would be mad if he was alive
@kingjoeblack5
3 жыл бұрын
All im saying is if Superman allowed the human race to be enslaved he wouldn't be presented as a hero for not fighting back. But when it comes to black americans fighting back is always the wrong decision.
@hijvgkolfsr5871
3 жыл бұрын
You can watch me but you can't be my technipathy
@quintonchristmas9608
3 жыл бұрын
I forgot one more thing #blackcharactersmatter #BLACKCHARACTERSMATTER
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
Not to the person who wrote this book.
@quintonchristmas9608
3 жыл бұрын
Old black characters matter to them as well otherwise they wouldn't have taken the time to come up with this now what day
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
@@quintonchristmas9608 - The problem is that the writers on the new Static, Icon and Hardware runs DID NOT create these characters. - These new writers have changed: Icon: into a condescending hypocrite. Rocket: into a basic, shallow character (who’s a virgin) Hardware: into a careless individual responsible for the deaths of kids in the Big Bang Static: A reckless, and angry individual. That’s not how the creator envisioned these characters to be.
@quintonchristmas9608
3 жыл бұрын
@@princewya yes I'm aware of this the writers changed and they changed a lot about the character that's nothing new that's happened in comic books for decades many many decades the better Riders do at least try to keep the Core Essence of what made the characters the characters no problem here's just how short-sighted glorious so far I don't know the conclusion I don't know who this guy turns out to be doesn't matter it's still a piece of wood in his hands it makes me wonder if the people writing these comic books are truly fans or do they really hate these characters and their secretly trying to destroy them from within not just which of these characters I'm even talk about some Marvel comic book characters in DC comic book characters with a writing has gone completely off the rails and it's like what is wrong with you people why are you trying to purposely ruin this for all eternity at the end of the day I can care less about the Riders changing the characteristics of these characters because and a couple of years new writers will come along and change them again and again and again and again and I've kind of gotten used to that I just find this particular story this excuse a huge cop out hello and disrespect to this iconic character icon once again like I said previously you will never not in a hundred years find a story where Superman Kal-El Clark Kent whatever you want to call them would be stick to death by a piece of wood when he is in possession of his full range of powers or even partially in possession of his power for that matter there's only one scenario where this works and that's where somehow the piece of wood is imbued with Kryptonite and therefore it's no longer a piece of wood the problem here to me isn't the writers it's the lack of respect for this character who is on the same level if not past Superman so what you do to him you have to be willing to do to Superman otherwise it makes me question it's cuz he's black right
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
@@quintonchristmas9608 You’re correct on multiple points but the keyword is respect. In this case, the WRITER (Reggie Hudlin) doesn’t RESPECT the work that Dwayne McDuffie did for Icon, for example, McDuffie wrote him to be on par with Superman, in terms of durability and strength, and gave him the ability to manipulate positrons. Hudlin doesn’t care for things like that and is prone to “re-imagining” characters his way. He said this in an interview when he was asked about writing Black Panther. Hudlin is a greedy, short-sighted writer, who’s only using these characters for profit instead of preserving the integrity of Milestone’s characters and Dwayne’s hard work.
@ghostdog1758
3 жыл бұрын
Another question. Why didn't blue marvel fight for the rights " black people ". I know the president told him to basically hide, but come on that wouldn't have stop me. I guess he thought he wouldn't be able to protect everyone.
@MythmasterFunky
2 жыл бұрын
@Xbox One Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
@Allthistomfoolery
3 жыл бұрын
First???
@kenrickjames3032
3 жыл бұрын
Icon is not really a black character. He's a alien in black face. So he could not understand the struggle. He's Rachel dosisal with a mask.
@vernonhampton5863
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with that. He does have altered human DNA as a survival mechanism. Also he grew up as a Black child until his powers kicked in. So no he is not really trans but an altered being. He may be fictional but Rachel is deluded.
@EJCraig-eu2ki
3 жыл бұрын
@@vernonhampton5863 , how is Raquel deluded Vernon?
@CriticalNerdTheory424
3 жыл бұрын
This comic keeps getting worse
@trevorghalt1881
3 жыл бұрын
Nope
@rjones6127
3 жыл бұрын
If anything issue 1 was bad, but issue 2 came out swinging. Still not as good as the new Static, but hopefully this series can keep up this momentum.
@princewya
3 жыл бұрын
This review isn’t convincing me enough to even waste my money on #2.
@quintonchristmas9608
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry nerd without Fair I understand that this is what the comic book issue actually said before you to sit here and explain it with such enthusiasm and obvious support for his complete and total pile of malarkey is unacceptable for me especially as a black man you said it yourself icon is basically Superman bullets bounce off of him he's invulnerable any other healing Factor this dude just put a stake through his back I don't even care if it killed them or not if it look like a killed them or not if it temporarily killed when I did that stupid crap they did with Superman when he was in a near death State and he needed to be regenerated and iPod or not no piece of wood to be able to penetrate his stint I don't care I don't care what type of Enchantment with put on the piece of wood they would never ever in a million years write a story with somebody beat Superman with a stick to death but they're doing it to the black guy once again lot of people complain about these so-called clone superheroes Bat Ray swap in a black guy or woman to be similar to or carry on the mantle of a white superhero yet time at the time at the time of the time these stories come out some sick way of form they write it so the black person seems to be widely inferior to the white person cuz I'm going to say it once again never in a million years would there be a story with somebody stabbed Superman what a toothpick beat him with a stick anything like that I just I can't understand how someone as powerful as icon was stabbed in the back with a stick and I can't understand what writer would actually think that was a good idea I'm not sure if race played playday issue in their writing or not because I don't know who writes this comic book but regardless there's something truly wrong in their head to try to sell us on their kind of standing had to come up with some excuse because the people who created icon had too much lack of foresight I guess to realize that people were going to question until the end of time why this God amongst men did not stop slavery and even the way he went about it was lamest £uck and I mean if you know some other information that makes this story somehow logical that a stick even cause a scratch on icon let alone apparently mortally wounding him like I don't know dude do you just accept anything that they write in the comic books I don't think that's the case I'm trying to think back I don't think you sounded like you lack your own thought intelligent or capacity to really reason and I'm sorry that I'm sounding like a real prick in being insulting right now but I was honestly assaulted listening to this video Bible story writing itself and a cheap cop out they put what icon for the slavery thing I'm beyond accept it the original answer so much more than this crap the thing that bothers me the most with the sit here and listen to you as a young black man be so amped up and excited and supportive of this idea as if you could not see how insulting it was to have a Superman it's character impaled by a piece of wooden stake
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